Before you get crazy and start trying to deport me, let's get something to talk about in here.
Rules: no crazy drum beating, only criticisms of the Tea Party and responses to specific criticisms, no this isn't about Obama or the Old Republicans.
I'm sort of concerned about the Tea Party being inconsistent on issues.
My example: Shall we freak out about death panels for grandma or do we want to let some uninsured person die?
Or am I completely off and is this blurred into the republican core?
The Tea Party is being funded by hedge funds. Koch and Cantor are getting massive funding by hedge funds who want to be left off of the Dodd-Frank too big to fail list. That way these big funds can help the dirty banks blow another housing bubble.
The same Tea Party that says you should pay back your mortgage is being funded by the hedge funds that facilitated the toxic mortgages in the housing bubble.
Very dirty and this is the essence of the power of the Tea Party. The rank and file have little clue.
Wrong, read the story about Koch hedge fund funding on business Insider. And now there is a big Bloomberg story on how the Koches sold arms to Iran and have done many illegal things outside the US. Bad people.
Try to have an American View, not your own view.
"Koch helped Iran build largest methanol plant in the world. “Every single chance they had to do business w/Iran, or anyone else, they did"
It's all about the Benjamins baby....their bank account! NOTHING to do with America.
And Kochs are funding the Alliance to "Protect" Nantucket Sound...even though boats have been dumping human waste in it for centuries....scraping the ocean bottom, destroying the eco-system....killing dolphins caught in tuna nets.....
The first windfarm like it in the nation....held up in the courts for 10 years....
Cause they can. Money buys law. Money protects criminals. Money makes the rules. So--those Billionaire Bro's own a whole lotta America. Most def the TP....The corporate one. And most def the Supreme Bagger Court.
and they scream patriotism!!! Orwell's prediction coming true.
What the H has happened to America?
You know what happened, it got bought through the years. The power of raising funds to get elected or re-elected causes Washington to do things not always good for the people. Both sides are guilty of this. As much as you shout Kochs, why do you not shout Soros? He is just if not more guilty of the same actions.
Because Koch is personal with me.
He has a mansion on Nantucket Sound.....he, with his dirty coal, is stopping the windfarm with endless court injunctions and delaying tactics.
10 + years.....I watched a panel on C-Span once....the people on it were actually LAUGHING at us here, because of our unwillingness to join the 21st century.
It makes me furious that that BUM can stop the first ever wind farm on the east coast with his money.
While ruining other environments far away from his precious eye-sight, smell and hearing.
A NIMBY who buys policies and elections. Blah!
October 3, 2011
NJDC: Koch’s Iran-Tainted Donations Must Be Returned By Perry, Bachmann, & Other Republicans Today
Try giving facts just one time instead of your opions
You answered your own question, In this country anyone can go to the emergency room and will be treated, You need not a dime to apply! We spend millions on illegals without jobs and delivering their babies in every border town! Now as far as death panels are concerned, the liberals have admitted that clauses will control how much of an expensive medicine "some " will recieve.......that my friend is a death panel!
The problem as I see it with the Tea Party movement is that their emphasis is on treating the disease without taking the patient for consideration.
Suppose they get the balanced budget amendment through congress by some miraculous event. What next? Cut all social programs to the bone so that the budget can be managed? That would leave us the money to fight all these wars and institute a Marshall like plan in the middle east? End the wars and collect the money to pay for skyrocketing medical costs and leave the borders vulnerable to invasion by all the people who are angry with us?
You just can't cut one thing without ramifications and you must come up with a comprehensive plan to effect the change neccessary for these thoughtful changes to take place.
The extremes that the Tea Party promotes leaves a lot of us out in the cold.
Insurance companies have been, for years now, determining what is in their own best interest and I don't expect that to change anytime soon.
The Obamacare Health "idea" and that's about all I'm willing to call it, is foolish to begin with. It's the wrong direction for America.
A Nationalized Health Care system isn't needed. Never was unless you wanted total control over people's life.
The problem in this country isn't health care. It is about what people can afford for services offered from the Economy(totality of businesses). The competitive markets should dictate what the price of services are and will cost. It isn't the government's place to F**k with the markets. Intervening only makes things worse and not better.
The fact that many people cannot afford the service is because of two things- the level of homeless and poverty among citizens, and there are not enough competitors in the marketplace. Too many companies dominate over others.
Many millions of homeless. Many millions living at poverty level. Aiding and restoring these people is what's in the best interest of society.
The problem is distortion and misinformation from both sides of the aisle. And, I'm sure that the Tea Party doesn't have an answer for either. All the Tea Party is screaming about is the U.S. Constitution. Meaning, they are using an old tactic to gain a foothold in politics. Nothing more. Just more BS.
It's hard to pinpoint the TEA Party because it has so many different arms and factions.
exactly my complaint. Hard to criticise something so amorphous
The Tea Party is a tool concieved and created by the Republican Party to get the White house back in four years after the Republican brand was tainted by Bush. It is wrong because the Republican party was wrong for Americans after eight years of Bush and the Tea Party(The new Republican brand) is wrong for Americans after only four years of Obama. The Tea Party is nothing but Hogwash.
True, but they seem to consistently confound the Constitution with the Declaration of Independence.
Bingo. Ron Paul is considered one of the main founders of the Tea Party movement, and he is against much of what the current Tea Party stands for. He was actually booed at the Tea Party/CNN Republican Debate.
not really. The Dem talking points make it seem that way
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Jon Stewart nails it. Again.
Tea Party was a zoological lab experiment that went horribly wrong - though the story was picked up and allegedly used as material for latest planet of apes movie.
If you put all the Tea Party members in one room the IQ would still be in single digits.
No point disputing the facts - deal with this in your own way folks..
The Tea Partiers are wrong because many or most of them are
--ignorant of economics, focusing on balancing the budget instead of unemployment
--deniers of global warming and supportive of unregulated drilling for oil and gas anywhere in the U.S.
--opposed to any tax increases
--are social conservatives opposed to abortion under any circumstances but supporters of capital punishment; opposed to gay rights; opposed to sex education other than "abstinence only" training; skeptical of evolution and supportive of teaching creationism in public schools; opposed to the separation of church and state, and supportive of allowing evangelical Christianity influence public policy.
--believe the government is the enemy and supportive of dismantling the federal executive branch agencies such as EPA, DOE, Education Department
--support privatization of schools, roads, prisons, the Post Office and other government functions
Well, By GUM!
Herman Cain Supported TARP
Isn't he a Tea-Bag?? Weren't they out there holding signs against Obama for TARP??
What can you say about this? oh--here!:
"Anything before the November 08 elections never happened. No matter what positions Republicans previously held, they were given a clean slate to say and do whatever they wanted as long as it hindered President Obama."
Bingo.oh---they were given this clean slate BY the "liberal" media!
You point out the issue. Dems call everyone a Tea Party Person even when they are not. Cain is not not one, he seeks their support, he agrees with them on cutting the bugdget, but that does not make him a tea-bag as you say.
Nothing...IMO. I think they are EXACTLY what we need in this country...a return to the core values that the country was founded on.
Simply compare Tea Party gatherings to the "mob mentality" you see on Wall Street right now. No comparison. One is a peaceful, orderly group trying to send a clear message to Washington. The other is very disorderly and has no real goal in mind....the just want to protest to protest....the think it's the 70s all over again.
The Tea Parties..(and there is more than one group iinvolved in what we call the Tea Party Movement) are interested in returning to the "blueprint" presented by The Founders ini the U.S. Constitution. They want to restore the federal government to the healthy balance between powers that existed in the original framework. We have strayed for from that course in the last 100 years or so. Very far!!!
If you wish to return to the true constitutional values and core beliefs that the founding fathers had with regard to the constitution we would have a hell of a mess on our hands.
This includes voting rights to civil rights. The founding fathers negated to address quite a few issues that have cropped up over the years and political cronyism within the system has rewritten it either through special interest or above all else a politically motivated Supreme Court.
The problem with the Tea Party is that it wants to pick and choose what issues it wants to change and along with any other party or PAC they wish to ignore the rest. They have chosen a "no compromise" tactic that has further hurt the countrys' standing and caused very little else to be done.
What we really need is to put our egos and rhetoric in our back pockets and fix the system to allow the free flow and exchange of ideas and actions. Try starting with the corruption of money that has bought the politicians concience and our collective ignorance and you may make a start to recovering from the farce we now believe in.
I am not sure they are completely wrong. They have just lost their way as most parties do. We have to get the money out of politics to really give power back to the voters. We cannot help the economy recover when big business has already bought our politicians and steer them in the direction which is most important for them.
Our whole system of politics is failing right now and something needs to be done quickly. I watch the debates and political shows where the talk surrounds, oh the democrats do this and the republicans do that.....we cant have anymore of this kind of junk. No more blaming people lets just get it done. Unfortunately until politicians have to live in our shoes, stop getting money thrown at them by big companies, pay their own healthcare, earn the same amount as the average person in their state, they just wont get it....Make them live like us and watch them leave politics in a hurry, or start making decisions that should have happened long ago.
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