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  1. Petra Vlah profile image58
    Petra Vlahposted 5 years ago

    Judging by the airtime and coverage that the Occupy Wall Street movement gets it becomes evermore clear that our “independent” media considers it a NONEVENT.
    In the last week none of the major TV evening news stations ever mention it. Busy to “inform” us about what is happening in the back alleys of whatever little town in the nation, our “reliable” media is intentionally ignoring the movement, proving ONCE AGAIN that money talk and everything else walks.

    1. habee profile image90
      habeeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I agree that I haven't seen much about it on TV, but I've seen numerous articles in print.

    2. Reality Bytes profile image93
      Reality Bytesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Media, Government, Corporations, Banks, all the same entities!

      We the People United is their worst fear!

      1. cmontijo profile image60
        cmontijoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I agree with you

    3. Eaglekiwi profile image75
      Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Actually its been global for almost 2 weeks now too ,but such is the insular nature of U.S media.

    4. Hollie Thomas profile image60
      Hollie Thomasposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      No, they consider it a major event, which is why they will not report on it. Organized money is threatened. Very, very threatened. OWS is already effective.

      1. recommend1 profile image69
        recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I guess the very fact that the media is NOT reporting it is an indication of its importance !

        1. Hollie Thomas profile image60
          Hollie Thomasposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Oh boy, how hard do they have to work to ignore.

    5. road2hell profile image80
      road2hellposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Actually, the media is distorting the reasons for the Wall Street Protists.  They either missed the point or they intentionally weaken the points the demstrators wish to convey.

    6. Evan G Rogers profile image84
      Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Actually, there's a bit of evidence that the reason it isn't being covered is for the same reason why Ron Paul doesn't get any coverage:

      OWS mostly agrees with Ron Paul, and they don't like that.

      http://lewrockwell.com/spl3/a-lesson-in-democracy.html

      Many of the signs that people are holding down there are quotes that have driven Ron Paul for decades.

      Either way, it sounds OWS is just now waking up to the bias of mainstream media:

      The media isn't biased against the Right or the Left --- THEY'RE BIASED TOWARD GOVERNMENT POWER.

    7. Repairguy47 profile image60
      Repairguy47posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      It is a non event.

      1. Pcunix profile image90
        Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        You wish.

        This is an important social movement that is receiving growing support.

        1. Repairguy47 profile image60
          Repairguy47posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          It is a non event destined to go down as the most monumental non event in the history of events.

          1. Hollie Thomas profile image60
            Hollie Thomasposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Which is clearly why you have decided to pay it no attention and decline to comment.

            1. Repairguy47 profile image60
              Repairguy47posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Why do you waste your time worrying about what I post? The occupy wall street crowd are a tiny group of malcontents who want somebody else to pay their way. I would imagine you are in complete solidarity with them.

              1. Hollie Thomas profile image60
                Hollie Thomasposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I never waste my time worrying about what you post, your posts keep me too entertained. You can imagine all you want. Or, following your reasoning, are you suggesting that I don't pay my way either?

              2. Pcunix profile image90
                Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Really?

                That shows that you don't even know what #occupy is about.

                The major idea of every occupy movement here in the U.S. is that wealthy people and powerful corporations have too much influence on our politicians.

                That's it.  Not anti-capitalism, but pro fairness.  They don't want to destroy capitalism, they just want to curb the excesses that allow people already wealthy to create laws that make damn sure they stay wealthy and keep on getting MORE wealthy.

                This greed is destroying our country and the world.  Nobody wants to stop you from making yourself a millionaire or a billionaire if you are lucky or smart enough to do that.  All we want to do is make sure that you can't cheat on your way.

                1. Repairguy47 profile image60
                  Repairguy47posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Clearly you have no idea who is occupying wall street. Good luck with your latest version of disco.

                2. Hollie Thomas profile image60
                  Hollie Thomasposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Baby steps, Pcunix, the prospect of fairness and equality can amount to information overload for some.

                  1. Pcunix profile image90
                    Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I know, but it's so sad.

                    I see it in my neighbors.  They are all old farts like me( duh, we live in a retirement community!) and so many of them just march lock-step to the drum beat of people who make more money in a year than they made in their entire lives.  They get their opinions from Faux and are so full of hate for anything that doesn't jibe with that..

                    And, like these guys, they just don't know any better.  They applaud the people who are robbing their so called "golden years".

                    It is sad.

          2. Pcunix profile image90
            Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Lying about reality doesn't change it..

            1. Repairguy47 profile image60
              Repairguy47posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I have no reason to lie about a passing fad.

    8. Xenonlit profile image60
      Xenonlitposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I write about this. The corporate media no longer reports with any integrity. It's all about popularity or marching orders from their advertisers.

      But there is an incredible amount of news through Twitter. You can find all kinds of things by searching #occupyWallstreet or #any city name

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    Emile Rposted 5 years ago

    You're right. But, like habee said, it's in print. And the news on the internet has been doing some feel good pieces about Occupy Together in action.

    1. Petra Vlah profile image58
      Petra Vlahposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Most people are getting their news from TV and not everyone has a computer - especially old people. At any rate, it is outrageous for the media to ignore what is happening almost allover the world and divert our attention from a situation that will potencially affect the future

  3. psycheskinner profile image80
    psycheskinnerposted 5 years ago

    Maybe it depends what channels you are watching and where you are. because my local Chicago channel gave the protests here a lot of coverage.

    1. Petra Vlah profile image58
      Petra Vlahposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Glad to hear that at least some parts of the country keep their people  better informed; the fact remains that this IS A NATIONAL event and it should be covered as such; not in a regional base.

      1. Hollie Thomas profile image60
        Hollie Thomasposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I've been watching RT (Russia Today) for coverage, as usual the British media have found some fluff to deflect with.

  4. recommend1 profile image69
    recommend1posted 5 years ago

    Where are all the loud supporters of free speech when they think it applies to others - where are they now that it is your media that is clearly manipulating the news and with-holding information ?

    Where are all the loud supporters of 'human rights' now that it all happening on US soil and UK soil ?

    As has been evident over the past couple of years that I have had to deal with loud mouth attacks on these issues in China, just because I live here, and as I have listened to their bleating on about 'other' countries lack of freedoms and human rights - They are just cowardly loudmouths.  Not so easy to support all those so-called values when it is you in the firing line is it ?

    The same issues arise with Nato's horrendous war on Libya and replacing one possible tyrant with a gang of murderous thugs.  I say possible tyrant as his deliberate murder prevents him spilling the beans on what our cowardly leaders have been up to, and are up to.  The only thing we know is the heavily censored and blatantly stifled news services.  Where are the news people with balls who are supposed to be standing up and telling it like it is ?   Loudmouthed cowards all of them.

  5. saddlerider1 profile image57
    saddlerider1posted 5 years ago

    That's why it's important for us all to continue to keep it moving in Twitter, Facebook and other social media. The governments control the Media, we all know that. Freedom of speech is being dampened and the voice of the people dampened as well. Our future revolves around the stand we take now, not letting our governments dictate to the people, we must not be silenced.

  6. rebekahELLE profile image90
    rebekahELLEposted 5 years ago

    I don't listen to any of the major news media to get news updates. Most of it is nothing more than soundbites. I watch PBS Newshour, listen to independent radio stations and read online. I've actually heard/read quite a bit this past week.

    I read this yesterday in RS, it's not going to make the news outlets.
    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/bl … t-20111021

    another
    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/bl … t-20111017

    I follow his blog, and his FB, Twitter accounts.

  7. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    Occupy Boston gets so-so coverage. But Keith Olbermann is on it every night.
    And Bill Maher every Friday.

    So funny last night.
    "Gravy-Wavy is ninety...the only gravy wavy is in his pants."
    "Brown acid is now the Blue Viagra."

    anyway...what should be screamed about is the Police Brutality!

  8. DonDWest profile image91
    DonDWestposted 5 years ago

    I'm afraid that Occupy Wall Street/Occupy Bay Street is suffering a complete media blackout here in Canada. Not surprising considering the man we have at the helm (Stephen Harper) makes G.W Bush look like a teddy bear by comparison.

    My generation is facing a tall order, the baby boomers (who make up the majority ov voting power) are still attached to TV news and print news. They never see the Internet as a valid news source. In fact, baby boomers teachers and administrators in the public education system are teaching children "not to trust the Internet because it's an invalid news source."

    If the baby boomers used the Internet, they wouldn't be embracing this war on Libya so enthusiastically, in which Canada was a major player. I can't help but to get depressed some days; baby boomers (including my own parents) need to seriously TURN OFF THEIR TELEVISION SETS if we even have a chance politically.

    I'm afraid we just may have to wait until the baby boomers die off; I'm not willing to wait that long, I've waited long enough. "Revolution mode" is starting to look inevitable. I'm not getting any younger. . .

    1. Hollie Thomas profile image60
      Hollie Thomasposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I don't you if you can receive Russia Today in Canada, but other than the internet, I've found this to be the only TV source reporting in any detail at all about the OWS, OWSLSX movements.

    2. Uninvited Writer profile image83
      Uninvited Writerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I !ve actually been seeing some coverage of OWS.

      1. Petra Vlah profile image58
        Petra Vlahposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        good to hear; that "some coverage" you are talking about was is at least half the time they spent covering Lindsay's Lohan latest BS?

  9. Sally's Trove profile image98
    Sally's Troveposted 5 years ago

    It's going to be a cold day in hell before the OWS movement gets mainstream media coverage like the Gulf War did. The 1% funded the Viet Nam, Gulf, Afghanistan, and Iraq wars and continues to fund Wall Street and the media. The OWS protest is news they're determined to ignore, downplay, and snuff out.

    1. lovemychris profile image80
      lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Yes...even C-Span! Which always covered TP, and covered the Stewart/Colbert thing too.

      I don't get it.....sad

      1. Petra Vlah profile image58
        Petra Vlahposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I get it just fine - they don't want people to know and especially they do not want to show the police arresting and brutalizing people: this is not Beirut, remember?
        Why would they report what is going on and show the agly face of reality? We are a "country of law", the "greatest country in the world", an "example of democracy and human rights", not to mention all the other slogans that are supposed to get the people drank on water

        1. Hollie Thomas profile image60
          Hollie Thomasposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          From my perspective, when the media refuse to report on something so massive, not only are they losing the war regarding propaganda, but the grip on a nation.

        2. lovemychris profile image80
          lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Yeah, I'm just disappointed. Oh well, there's still Keith Olbermann....my favorite ever line about Palin" "That woman is an idiot."

          He's not compromised, it seems. I hope. Ole Beck has gone off the deep end.

          The crazy moon has risen.

  10. uncorrectedvision profile image60
    uncorrectedvisionposted 5 years ago

    What they need is a really good banner and a catchy song.

    http://s1.hubimg.com/u/5627180_f248.jpg

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCFibtD3H_k

    1. DonDWest profile image91
      DonDWestposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Leave it to the cold war generation to post such useless propaganda. . . Oh no, the KGB is coming, the KGB is coming, the KGB is coming!!! Heard it all before; get over it. The worse that ever came from that era is the government made you hide under your school desk doing "nuclear war" drills. The threat was greatly exaggerated; and you're still living in paranoia of the big bad red army much to the detriment of us all. Get with the times!

      1. uncorrectedvision profile image60
        uncorrectedvisionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Tell that to the Kulaks.  Ignorance of history is shameful.

        1. mortimerjackson profile image59
          mortimerjacksonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Your inability to form coherent sentences in a site for writers is shameful. Also, your sense of perspective is ridiculous. Please do not comment on politics if you insist on not understanding reality.

          1. uncorrectedvision profile image60
            uncorrectedvisionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            So you are the arbiter of all things political?  Who were the kulaks?  The cost of communism was born by people outside the United States.  The hands of socialists, fascists, Nazis and communists are red with the blood of what ever 1% drew their ire.  Whether it was the Jews of Europe, the Kulaks or eye glass wearers.  The 1% have been dragged into the streets and butchered by people who do not understand history or nature or economics.  Tell that to the Kulaks.  Ignorance of history is shameful.  Two complete sentences, two clear statements.  I think you may have something sticky and brown on your glasses.  Perhaps if you wiped them off you might see you left your head someplace unseemly.

            1. Petra Vlah profile image58
              Petra Vlahposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              The Bolshevic Revolution was financed by J.P Morgan - how is that for ignoring history?

        2. recommend1 profile image69
          recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          He has the history about right, there are always winners and losers in times of change - get over it.  Maybe you should recall that the whole idea of Communism came from the horrendous repression of the populations in those countries that chose that route of revolution - change  is coming to you next, you would be better advised to join the civilized protest movement rather than stoke the fires of violence.

          1. uncorrectedvision profile image60
            uncorrectedvisionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            The violent suppression of the Kulaks and the resulting famine is one of the high water marks of Soviet Oppression.  The Communists slaughtered and starved tens of millions in the Soviet Union alone.  The horrendous repression of the population was taken to new heights under Communist regimes.  The regimes they replaced had been brutal and repressive in their own rights but never aspired to the brutality exhibited time and again by Communists.  Even the Nazis were pikers compared to Stalin and Mao.

            The violence is coming.  The occupy movements here and abroad are supported by those who crave violence.  The American Nazi Party and the Revolutionary Communist Party are both big fans of the occupy people.  Neither of those groups are known for their loving and generous ways.  Besides, much of the rhetoric in the occupy groups has been inflammatory and violent.

            1. DonDWest profile image91
              DonDWestposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Well, you lost me when you claimed the Jews were victims of communism because the Jews were rich. Last I checked, the Bolsheviks were Jews, including the guy on your poster. It’s a little hard to debate history when you're equating every atrocity of the past century with a communist boogeyman.

              1. uncorrectedvision profile image60
                uncorrectedvisionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of … nd_Zionism

                http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso … sia.html#l

                Perhaps you should learn a little about the history of Communism before dismissing it as a Bogeyman.  The body count under the Soviet and Chinese Communists exceeds 100 million.

                1. Petra Vlah profile image58
                  Petra Vlahposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  The entire communist ideology was created by Jews - and implemented by them; so what exactely is your point?!

                  1. uncorrectedvision profile image60
                    uncorrectedvisionposted 5 years ago in reply to this
                  2. uncorrectedvision profile image60
                    uncorrectedvisionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    The point was that Jews were also oppressed by the Communists but that is an old story through out Anti-Semitic Europe.

            2. recommend1 profile image69
              recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I suspect you are making most of this up, perhaps you can supply some evidence that these parties either support the protests or crave violence.  Perhaps you can also back up your claim that the 'rhetoric' of the protest groups has been inflammatory and violent - beyond the obvious and laughable 'plants' that have been exposed as plain clothes police trying to cause trouble that they can then use to suppress everyone around them;  or the banks that illegally imprisoned its customers trying to close their accounts; or the police forcing crowds of people onto a bridge so that they could beat and arrest those that fell off the pavement  big_smile

              1. uncorrectedvision profile image60
                uncorrectedvisionposted 5 years ago in reply to this
                1. recommend1 profile image69
                  recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  You have to be kidding me !!  big_smile   What kind of dog doo doo are you getting your stuff from, no wonder you have such a weird take on things big_smile 

                  A few rather odd individuals post to some extreme websites and from that you conclude that the hundreds of thousands of protestors have the support of the Nazi party and every anti-semitic hate group that America breeds !

                  On a side note - You look and talk exactly like a Canadian ex-buddy who teaches economics here in China, he doesn't know much about the realities of economics either big_smile

                  1. uncorrectedvision profile image60
                    uncorrectedvisionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Pretty certain I did not use the word every.  The support of the American Nazi Party for the occupy Wall Street people has been made public.

    2. PrettyPanther profile image87
      PrettyPantherposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      How old are you, anyway?  roll

      1. uncorrectedvision profile image60
        uncorrectedvisionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        The ideas that liberals love are as old as Cain and Abel.  One man has more than me, I don't think that is fair so I empower the state to take from him and give to me.  How old is that idea?  As old as the first child who had to share.  Liberalism breeds infantile ideas about human nature and the nature of property.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image94
          Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Aren't you assuming too much from the "Cain and Abel" fable?  It wasn't about Abel having more than Cain.  It was because Cain did not get the recognition he deserved for his hard work.  Come to think of it, perhaps you were correct using the old tale showing how hard work isn't always rewarded by the PTB.  Too bad for them!  smile

        2. Pcunix profile image90
          Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Except that in this case, we aren't complaining that he HAS more, but rather about how he got it and how he gets to keep it protected and how he manipulates our laws to get more and more.

          We WANT you to have "more" if you are smart enough or lucky enough to get it.  But not when you cheat other people to get it, not when you buy laws that favor you and punish others, not when your voice drowns out millions of ours.

          Nobody wants enforced financial equality.  We want forced financial FAIRNESS.

  11. kripkrip420 profile image60
    kripkrip420posted 5 years ago

    Sorry for being ignorant to the situation, but, I am not an American citizen. I have seen some Youtube videos about the protests but I don't fully understand the purpose. I know it has something to do with corporations taking money from the people and the Government supporting them. Am I right? Could someone fill me in with a bit more detail? Thank you!

    1. Petra Vlah profile image58
      Petra Vlahposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      google up Occupy Wall Street and you will find out.
      The fact you never heard about it proves my point entirely; the madia is giving it little or no coverage because it is not in the best interest of the ones who created the mess in the first place (the same ones that own the media and make the rules that protect them and their fortunes)

    2. Ralph Deeds profile image69
      Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Something like that. Inequality of wealth and income have increased greatly in recent years. The big Wall Street banks took risky and dishonest actions with subprime mortgage securities and plunged the US and much of the world into a deep economic recession. The government bailed the banks out with taxpayer money and now they are back at their old tricks. Unprecedented unemployment and inequality have shaken the faith of many Americans in our democratic free enterprise system.

  12. Mighty Mom profile image92
    Mighty Momposted 5 years ago

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4a4Uk2omigQ/TfU2L3Rc3kI/AAAAAAAAEIg/pxNfkkC3Pns/s1600/jiffy%2Bpop%2B019.JPG

    Gonna be a long night.

  13. Mighty Mom profile image92
    Mighty Momposted 5 years ago

    Right. I've noticed how many of the OWS protesters are wearing brown shirts.
    roll

  14. Mighty Mom profile image92
    Mighty Momposted 5 years ago

    Anti-semitism in what way? Do you mean that protesters are equating big bankers/high finance with Jews? As in Jews control Wall Street?
    Or am I missing the point?

    FYI, demonstrators arrested at Occupy Sacramento have been banned FOR LIFE from Caesar Chavez Park (how crazy is THAT!???). And no, it didn't make the local TV news.
    Hmmm.... Petra, I think you're onto something sinister here!!!

    1. uncorrectedvision profile image60
      uncorrectedvisionposted 5 years ago in reply to this
    2. uncorrectedvision profile image60
      uncorrectedvisionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Why were they banned from Chavez Park?

      Wasn't the ban retracted?
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s6lCU_4a3U

      Isn't California run by Democrats - even in police departments?  Gotta love Sacramento.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGV9vE7 … re=related

      1. Mighty Mom profile image92
        Mighty Momposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        In a word: Paperwork.
        It's a small technicality.
        Any of the dozens of  homeless and panhandlers who inhabit Chavez Park daily could have set the OWS protesters straight on how it all works.

        The main problem with Sacramento is we have no "Wall Street" or any identifiable financial or business center in which to protest.
        Sad. Really, really sad.
        sad

        1. uncorrectedvision profile image60
          uncorrectedvisionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Hasn't that ban been lifted?  Does Sacramento have a governor's palace?  That is where they should be protesting.  The ruination of California is the direct result of lunatics running the legislature and voting idiots like Jerry Brown back into office.  California is finished, it is large enough that it will take generations to empty out and pass back to Mexican ownership but it is finished.

          1. Mighty Mom profile image92
            Mighty Momposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            This is not a protest of state government.

            And for the record, Governor Brown lives in an apartment a few blocks from the capitol. Not even King Arnold lived in the Governor's Mansion.

            1. uncorrectedvision profile image60
              uncorrectedvisionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              That's right that hypocrite lived on his estate in Beverly Hills, or was it Brent Wood, jetted in to do the states business and then preached to us all about how our life styles were polluting the world and causing global warming.  Actors are deeply flawed people.

        2. Petra Vlah profile image58
          Petra Vlahposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Mighty Mom,
          Too bad that this movment is not seen as a government protest. I have a thread in the political forum http://hubpages.com/forum/right-time-wrong-place
          Wall Street as an institution is only  a consequence and a part of the problem; the root of it is in Washington

          1. Mighty Mom profile image92
            Mighty Momposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I hear ya on that. What some people seem to not be able to grasp (intentionally, it seems) is that OWS is not ONLY protesting Wall Street.
            It's protesting the reality of America today.

            A Washington-only protest isn't gonna work (THe Tea Party's been there, failed with that).
            A big-business-only protest is too narrowly focused. Yes, the big banks need to be held accountable.
            But they're only part of the problem as well.

            It's really the insidious interplay between Washington and Wall Street that we, John Q American Public, have to expose and expunge.
            BOTH are culpable. Washington policies and Wall Street practices continue to hurt American citizens.

            We're mad as hell and we're not going to take it up the shorts from ANYONE anymore!!!

  15. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    All this stuff is just what Beck says....isn't that right? He has gone so far as to say OWS will kill everybody.

    It's truly pathetic the lengths money people go to twist everything up.
    Pathetic that those wall street brokers laugh at people fighting their oppression. Pathetic that the priviledged Wharton students had the nerve to tell people whose fortunes were stolen by scumbags in THEIR future occupation to "get a job".

    Pahetic how little these people seduced by wealth understand about anything. It reminds me of the story of Bhudda.
    "Everything is fine son, don't see the world for what it is"
    "But father, why are so many suffering?"
    "Son, CLOSE YOUR EYES. You have it made.....don't worry about those other people"

    They would do well to remember the parable in the bible, of the big powerful guy who died and was left in a dead zone, craving water. Craving,and parched with thirst. And no one could help him, because he was reaping what he sowed in life. "I never knew you" Jesus will say.
    WHY?
    Cause he turned a blind eye to the suffering of his fellow man. Even though he was well able to help.

    It is just pathetc. And Beck is the King of Pathetic. He wouldn't know a true feeling if it bit him in the wazooo.
    "Ouch! What was that?" Oh never mind: "Down with OWS! Down with OWS!""Communist/Socialist/Anti-American/Lazy/Bums...."

    Meanwhile, Palin, who doesn't speak to "the people" for less than $100,000 is a true American Patriot. snark
    She's fighting for Koch's right to pollute!! And those Wharton kid's right to scam "the people" just like their predecessors did.

    taxed enough already....give it to the white collar criminals!!!
    IMHO

    1. Evan G Rogers profile image84
      Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      The vast majority of what OWS stands for is the exact same thing that Ron Paul stands for:

      http://lewrockwell.com/spl3/a-lesson-in-democracy.html

      And the media blackout is an extension of their blackout of Ron Paul.

      The media is biased toward government power.

      1. PrettyPanther profile image87
        PrettyPantherposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I don't know, Evan.  What about the EPA, for example?  Isn't it Ron Paul's position that it shouldn't exist?

        1. uncorrectedvision profile image60
          uncorrectedvisionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Considering how filthy the occupy people are leaving every place of protest I would bet they aren't big fans of the EPA either.  Or are they like the typical liberal, supporters of the rules when they apply to everyone else but ignore those same rules.  The true believer exempts himself from the system he imposes on all others(paraphrase of Eric Hoffer)

          Just ask this guy:

          http://s2.hubimg.com/u/5606565_f248.jpg

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            Home Girlposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            This guy is dead. Too much red anyway. We are wiser now. Well, I hope so.

            1. uncorrectedvision profile image60
              uncorrectedvisionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              This is the foolishness of the contemporary.  We always think that some how we are morally superior to those who came before us.  If we grew more moral with time than we is the bloodiest century in the history of the world the one we left just eleven short years ago?

      2. Pcunix profile image90
        Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I don't think so.

        Nobody who truly values freedom can be for Ron Paul. 

        Would we have civil rights laws without a strong central government?  Would the CDC be able to protect us from a State that doesn't care to enforce food safety because they think profits matter most?

        Who would protect the rights of minorities?  It's hard enough now with some of the yahoo State legislators we have.

        Could we  have been half so effective against organized crime without a strong central government?

        There's a "media blackout" because most of us recognize that local rule makes it too easy to hide prejudice and corruption.  Like it or not, we have NATIONAL interests - that's why the original 13 colonies banded together in the first place.

        I've followed the #occupy movements closely.  Yes, there are  Libertarians among them, but I do not get any impression that they represent anything but a foolish and naive minority view.

      3. lovemychris profile image80
        lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        No...Monied Power.
        That's why they were in love with George Bush.--HE was part of the gvt too.  But he was the "Right" gvt. wink

        And yes, Ron Paul has been part of the Truth Movement for a long time, but then WHY does he want the Bush tax cuts made permanent?
        These OWS kids would be pretty bummed to learn there are no more loans and aide available for college, no more aide for nursing-home care, and that business would be UN regulated!!!

        All gvt would do is have a military, and he says NO cuts to DOD!

        Give all power to states...is a recipe for discrimination.

        He does not question 9/11, and says Israel is our friend.

        And he has a wack son. Apples don't fall far from the tree.....just too much that doesn't fit there. IMO

        1. Pcunix profile image90
          Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          From what I can see, Libertarians either live in some part of the country that has been frozen in time since 1850 or wish that they did.

          They think we still live on farms, are self sufficient and the only national problem they need to worry about are the renegade injuns down the creek aways.

          It sure ain't 1850, is it?

          1. Evan G Rogers profile image84
            Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Are you nuts?

            The government that you whack-job liberals are married to are having an affair with the richer, stronger, and sexier corporations

            You can't compete with them because they shower your 'wife' with gifts from Tiffany's every day.

            I'm shocked at what I'm hearing. "Libertarians think we live in the 1850s".

            Tell me EXACTLY how the role of government has changed, and I'll bother responding to this idiotic claim.

            THE ROLE OF GOVERNMENT HAS NOT CHANGED IN MILLENIA.

            Government is still a group of idiots who steal money from the poor and give to the rich.

            And you're asking for more.

            1. Pcunix profile image90
              Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              'Nuff said. 

              Living in the 1850's, just as I said.

              1. Evan G Rogers profile image84
                Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                tell me one function of government that has changed in the past 100 years, and I'll show you nonsense.

                1. Repairguy47 profile image60
                  Repairguy47posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Environmental Protection Agency.

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                    Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Wow! You learn something new everyday!  I didn't know there was an EPA in 1911!

                2. Pcunix profile image90
                  Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  If nothing has changed, then what is it you are all in a dither about?  If nothing has changed, everything must be just as the Founders designed it.

                  I know there's no point in actually answering you, because you'll twist anything into some overriding function that has always existed.

                  1. Evan G Rogers profile image84
                    Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    what ROLE of government has changed.

                    Not, what has government begun to do different.

                    Those sentences are very different, and I'm a bit disappointed in your response.

              2. uncorrectedvision profile image60
                uncorrectedvisionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                The role of government is to eat the freedom of its citizens until they become subjects and eventually serfs.  It is through capturing all authority that government can guarantee stability, a freedom from the unpredictable(unless the emperor is syphilitic.)  The overwhelming history of the world is a history of stability for the serf.  Up at dawn, eat what is available - no matter how little - labor for his masters as long as the sun shines and go to sleep when the sun goes down.

                Given the opportunity this is the course all governments have pursued.  It is only through sweeping cultural or technological upheaval that this changed.  The history of humanity is not the history of class struggle - Marx was a self loathing idiot - it is a history of violence and oppression by government.

                The occupy people are also foolish seeking to reward a corrupt government by stripping property from citizens and growing ever larger in scope, reach, authority, power, wealth and control.  Brilliant prescription for oppression.

                1. Repairguy47 profile image60
                  Repairguy47posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Useful idiots.

                  1. uncorrectedvision profile image60
                    uncorrectedvisionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Our man Vladimir had something to say about that:
                    http://s1.hubimg.com/u/5627180_f248.jpg

                2. Pcunix profile image90
                  Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  WE are government - or at least here in the U.S. we are.

                  Our PURPOSE is to provide for the common good and to  resolve disputes as best we are able.

                  That's US.  You, me and the other guy.  That's what our Constitution says.  "We the people, of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

                  US. People.  US.  Try to get that through the Faux supplied sound bites  that keep you from hearing anything true.

                  1. uncorrectedvision profile image60
                    uncorrectedvisionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    We are government yet "we" in our brilliance elected a man who just loves transferring enormous funds to his capitalist cronies like Solyndra.  Bailing out banks, making the "green" economy the "dollar bill green" economy.

                    "We" seem to love the corruption that "we" encourage from those evil bankers and Wall Street types.

                  2. uncorrectedvision profile image60
                    uncorrectedvisionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    WOW, Fox News is amazing and powerful - they are able to influence me despite my never watching television news.  I read my news and from more than one source but hey what ever feeds your delusion that there is an objective truth and it is your monopoly.

                3. lovemychris profile image80
                  lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Oh no....OWS is seeking to get property back that has been solen by Robber Barons, namely, the wealth and well-being of the Unite States of America.
                  And the people of other countries all over the world.

                  Money has hi-jacked gvts, not the other way around.

                  1. uncorrectedvision profile image60
                    uncorrectedvisionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    What is a robber baron? How does one become a robber baron?  How beefy does your resume have to be to get that gig?

                    The original robber barons were part of the government.  The current crop of greedy, powerful men who take what they want when ever they want with no fear of challenge are called Congressman, Senator or Mr. President.

            2. Ralph Deeds profile image69
              Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              More like the late 1700s, before electricity, coal-fired power plants, automobiles, air planes, hydro-fracking, vaccines, prescription drugs,steam engines, the industrial revolution and other developments which led to our imperfect but democratically-adopted government institutions and regulations for which you fail to comprehend the need.

          2. PrettyPanther profile image87
            PrettyPantherposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Actually, every single self-professed Libertarian I know personally is a HUGE hypocrite.  None of them are living their values; several are government employees.  One continues to tell me that the government (which she works for) is going to come and confiscate my farm, slaughter all my animals, and feed them to the masses!  Another claims she had NO help getting her college degree, conveniently forgetting that she lived with her parents the entire time, received her preparatory education from the local public school, and used her parents' health care (daddy works for a regional governmental organization) to pay for a major medical procedure while she was in college.  Of course, anyone else who maybe didn't have those advantages and didn't manage to go to college are just lazy asses.

            I know it's all anecdotal, but it is also TRUE.

            What is wrong with people, that they are so self-centered to think that their successes belong ONLY to them?  Very few people can truly claim that, if they are honest with themselves.

            1. Pcunix profile image90
              Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I know.  But that's the "53%", sometimes but not necessarily tied up with Libertarians.  Did you see http://persephonemagazine.com/2011/10/d … e-student/ for  example?

              1. PrettyPanther profile image87
                PrettyPantherposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Excellent breakdown of what many of us already knew was bull$hit.

            2. Repairguy47 profile image60
              Repairguy47posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Who do you think their success belongs to? You?

              1. Pcunix profile image90
                Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                No, it comes from all of us.

                The roads that our taxes built let me travel to my customers.  The banking system that our Federal Reserve helps keep stable let me bill them and collect the money. 

                The schools that I went to were financed by our tax dollars.  The food that nourished me was made safer by government programs.   

                I was also made safe from assault and robbery by police forces again supported by taxes from all of us.

                1. PrettyPanther profile image87
                  PrettyPantherposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  +1

                2. GoGreenTips profile image60
                  GoGreenTipsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Hate to tell you but if you truly research the history of central banking, who's behind it, then you will see that it is designed to create the boom and bust cycles. Yes the government has a role, keeping the playing field equal, but as it stands the government is shifted to where it has become the champion of banking and corporate interests.

                  Yes the government should fund schools, but should we be fighting wars overseas when our education system is in shambles? Our priorities are wrong..entirely.

                  1. Pcunix profile image90
                    Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Oh, I always love the "I hate to tell you" opening.


                    Read some history.  No, we haven't always been completely successful because economics is probably even more complicated than weather, but it certainly was DESIGNED to stop the booms and busts.

                    Perhaps you, being apparently much smarter than anyone else who has ever thought about it, can tell us how to fix it so no such things ever happen again.  What a boon to mankind that will be!

        2. Evan G Rogers profile image84
          Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Oh no! No more loans for college?!

          A COLLEGE DEGREE IS ALMOST WORTHLESS.

          I have a master's and I can't find a job with health care.

          Most kids are graduating 30k in debt and can't find jobs.

          All that "reducing the number of loans" would do, would be to make a degree worth something and to reduce the cost of a degree.

          Supply and Demand are economic laws, and you can't just legislate them away.

          "Hey! I know! Let's just print money and give it to kids to go to college!" --- Man, too bad the cavemen didn't think of this thousands of years ago, otherwise we'd all be living on the moon.

          "Hey! I know! Let's make it illegal to NOT own health insurance! Then health care would be affordable!" -- Oh man! Why didn't anyone think of this before?!

          Oh wait, I know why. Because it's the dumbest thing anyone could ever say.

          Wake up - government can't solve your problems.

          1. GoGreenTips profile image60
            GoGreenTipsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I second that!

      4. lovemychris profile image80
        lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Chinese gvt tries to censor net. BUT....
        *****

        Thebes  Today 12:42 AM 

        "Once again China is copying American businesses.
        The first few days of the #occupywallstreet YAHOO was censoring emails. Corporations are always quicker than governments.

        Of course, China admits that they are intentionally subverting Free Speech. Yahoo issued a bullsh*t excuse that the corporate media pretended to believe."

        ******

        "Corporations are always quicker than governments"......to shut people up.

        1. Petra Vlah profile image58
          Petra Vlahposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          wait and see...How long do you think our government will allow the internet to be up and running?
          NOT LONG, I can assure you - it is after all the major tool of communication for the occupy wall street movement and for the rest of us
          Having us informed and united IS NOT in their best interest and that is precisly why the media (their strongest propaganda tool) is ignoring what's happening.
          Nothing new under the sun... they MAKE the NEWS instead or reporting the news and put a spin anyway they want knowing that if they repeat it long enough it will stick - at least with some.
          It is called manipulation and being selective with the truth, but is what MEDIA DOES BEST

          1. lovemychris profile image80
            lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            It's Lieberman and Specter that are pushing for the kill switch....

            Interesting. 2 guys who switched parties to gain power, and act like NOTHING like they purport to be.

            Lieberman wants discussion of the Holocaust outlawed on college campuses....guess what they want censored on the net? Not brain surgery.

            9/11....that gets a big back-lash, their whole game is blown to smithereens.

          2. Hollie Thomas profile image60
            Hollie Thomasposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Yep, the same tactics they used in Eqypt etc and they want to use in the UK. Although problematic in terms of organization of the movements etc, I think this will just lead to even greater dissent and civil disobedience. They cannot stop the unstoppable for long.

          3. Ralph Deeds profile image69
            Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Petra, you have a suspicious, near paranoid, view of our government. No democratic government, least of all the U.S., is likely to suspend the Internet. The cat is out of the bag.

            1. Hollie Thomas profile image60
              Hollie Thomasposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              If the UK is used as some kind of yardstick though Ralph, money can bypass the leaders and make it's way to the police and security services. I'm thinking about the way the Murdoch press had not only direct dealings with the police as a governmental body, but bribed and bought it's heads.

              1. Ralph Deeds profile image69
                Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                People like Murdoch and police are problems all over the world.

                1. Hollie Thomas profile image60
                  Hollie Thomasposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  They are, that's very true. But, I think that the scenario I mentioned goes someway toward highlighting that certain police forces do not necessarily take their directives from Governments, as they so often purport. There can be another factor in the equation.

                  1. Ralph Deeds profile image69
                    Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Absolutely. Pakistan is a perfect example. So was J. Edgar Hoover in the US.

            2. Petra Vlah profile image58
              Petra Vlahposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I HAVE GOOD RESONS Ralph to be suspicious of governments in general and the American one in particular. The hypocrisy I see and hear everywher I turn makes me sick.
              Paranoid I am not, but I do know the signs of oppression - repression better than what I care to remember.
              Do you still believe that America is in any possition to talk about "democracy" and human rights?

              1. Ralph Deeds profile image69
                Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Yes, I do. But our hands aren't clean. Democracy and human rights are relative. The US is far from perfect, but it's more perfect than most other countries. Good government is a scarce commodity and perfect government is non-existent.

                1. Petra Vlah profile image58
                  Petra Vlahposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  WOW, democracy and human rights are RELATIVE, Ralph?  I guess they are just that when America is the judge and the jury.
                  What can I say? WE are the freedom fighters - everyone else is a terrorist; problem solved

                  1. Ralph Deeds profile image69
                    Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    You misinterpret what I said. I repeat, no country offers ideal human rights, no government is perfect. There are degrees, i.e., some countries are at one end of the spectrum, e.g., Zimbabwe or Afghanistan, perhaps, and others are toward the more civilized end of the human rights spectrum. There are plenty of human rights deficiencies in the United States and in its actions in other countries, of which I am well aware and equally critical of them as you.

  16. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    "Government is still a group of idiots who steal money from the poor and give to the rich."

    -----As in, the Bush tax cuts, which Paul wants to make permanent!!!

    65% of income went to the top class with that idea, while middle class fell.

    It's really quite silly to say it's the gvt's fault, and then want us to vote that same gvt back in!

    1. Petra Vlah profile image58
      Petra Vlahposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Voting in new carrier  politicians will chang NOTHING even if before getting elected they make promisses of all kinds. The minute new blood gets in the most infested town in the nation - Washington, that is - they get just as corrupted as the ones we voted out of office

  17. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    Andrew Sullivan on how he learned to love the ‘g*ddam hippies’—and why their protests aren’t going to end.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2 … ppies.html

  18. knolyourself profile image61
    knolyourselfposted 5 years ago

    Radicalactive Breeder

  19. knolyourself profile image61
    knolyourselfposted 5 years ago

    Eric Hoffer? I liked that guy a San Francisco long shore-man. He had some good original ideas, but my radical friends didn't like him. But I can't remember why. Maybe 'cause they were from the suburbs.

    1. uncorrectedvision profile image60
      uncorrectedvisionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hoffer was an anti-Communist and in the Ordeal of Change indicts the third world liberation movements as being lead by opportunistic "men of words" who are more than willing to replace "men of action" with a ruling elite.  It is a hallmark of liberal "thought" that a few brilliant elitists and theorists can create a utopian paradise.  It is for brilliant academics like the entire Obama administration to formulate for all the rest of us the means of attaining that utopian paradise.

      Hoffer wrote about Obama before Obama was even born.

  20. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    "Rich People Create Jobs! And five other myths that must die for our economy to live"

    http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/10 … reate-jobs

  21. sgf468 profile image60
    sgf468posted 5 years ago

    You know, people sort of get tired of an event after a while.  I do.  That does not mean that I am unsympathetic to the issues involved, but after the news repeats itself 8 or 10 times it's just old news.  Now if Anderson Cooper got on it with a new and fresh perspective it would be interesting again.

  22. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    Who says they're not organized?


    http://www.nycga.net/

  23. knolyourself profile image61
    knolyourselfposted 5 years ago

    Kind of like solitaire.

  24. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    Ahaha...did you go to the site? They are so far ahead, they don't even hear the Beckian-type-Bashing!! They are planning this new world already!! Without us!

    Man oh man..did we underestimate them. All this time talking peace and love....they are talking organization and a world with art as money! Time as money....in fact: keeping money out of it alltogether!

    Gotta LOVE this generation. Practical and wise... no illusions about the white-picket fence.
    But ideas and energy galore.

    Namaste, and pass the Starbucks smile....(yuk.)

  25. Neil Sperling profile image89
    Neil Sperlingposted 5 years ago

    We need a complete perception shift to clean things up. Arguing left and right values is how we got into this mess in the first place. My hub Middle Class To Zero looks at the change we need -- I agree with the posts Petra has made here.... they want us in the dark so they can continue their controlling agenda... but it is time we threw away old beliefs and traditions and stood up together and stopped participating in the established controllers plans.

    How do we do that? --- a complete perception shift is needed to complete any required change.

    We need to stop making such a huge deal about manufacturing "things" and we have to start making a big deal about building character.

    Build a new man from the inside out. No longer running from who we are inside.

    Are you ready to give up the struggle to survive, and really learn to love life and love living?

    “We are the ones we have been waiting for.”

    1. Pcunix profile image90
      Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I'm sorry, but I  might disagree. I say might because I haven't read your hub yet (I will).

      Left/right values are important.  They aren't made up by our masters to distract us;  they are real.

      The Right has caused this problem because they  think greed is acceptable and do not want controls on business or individuals. 

      However, that doesn't mean that every conservative is blind to reality.  There are moderates and honestly, they are our best hope because while they stand with the crazed ones, nothing can change.  If they abandon those far right  libertarian crazies, we can make corrections and save ourselves from destruction.

      The crazies aren't going to budge. As we have seen here, they are too full of hate.

      1. Ralph Deeds profile image69
        Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        ++

  26. gamergirl profile image61
    gamergirlposted 5 years ago

    I love you, Mighty Mom.  That was one hell of a post.  ***HUGS!!***

  27. Charles James profile image86
    Charles Jamesposted 5 years ago

    OWS is barely mentioned in the UK media.
    Now who owns the UK media???

  28. 0
    Wilfionposted 5 years ago

    I hadn't even heard of the Occupy movement until a few days ago, and have since found out that it has spread to different parts of the world.  It would seem to be the biggest protest in decades.  Yet the UK news seems to be focusing on the Queen's lovely hats, worn on her visit to Australia.

    1. Hollie Thomas profile image60
      Hollie Thomasposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      The only UK title that has covered OWS in any depth is the Guardian. Oh and some coverage in the Independent.

      1. Petra Vlah profile image58
        Petra Vlahposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Look what's happening in Okland and Atlanta - where police brutality reached new hights and critically injured a veteran who served 2 terms in Irak - the media is still no where to be found and the news were only reported on Yahoo. Is this an unbilivebal servitude to the big money, or what?!

        1. Pcunix profile image90
          Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Oh, c'mon.  The guy was standing there with his hands in his pockets.  You can't expect the police not to react to provocation like that!

        2. Hollie Thomas profile image60
          Hollie Thomasposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Absolutely, the media is "deeply embedded" with big money. Surpression of the news will just make the public more angry in my humble opinion.  It wouldn't surprise me if some of parts of the media are later boycotted. And, attempting to repress all those voices I believe will lead to greater indignation from the protestors and an even greater sence of solidarity. Big monies greatest fear, when they lose the ability to divide and rule.

  29. rebekahELLE profile image90
    rebekahELLEposted 5 years ago

    The protests are getting prime time coverage on NBC. It's about time. Not much more than sound bites, but it still made news. There needs to be a lot more brought to the attention of those who watch prime time national news.

    This is from Huffington Post which is now owned by AOL.
    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/bl … g-20111025

    oops, wrong link, but I'll leave it. It's a good article. Here's the HP link.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/2 … 31879.html

  30. ahorseback profile image50
    ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

    I can only say  that I believe they aren't organized enough !  The massses in the streets will never change one thing until either passively ,congress moves to the direction of popular oppinion or a movement becomes a revolution. One guy on an interview on the street the other night said " All I'm asking is to earn 50 thousand dollars , I assume he meant per year" ....just give me what I'm entitled to ! That seems to be what this is all about !  Advice ; Go and earn it somewhere! Get a job ,any job . Put your time in like the rest of the world . Start somewhere small like everyone in history has. All too many people today believe they should start at the top of the pile ! Great bennies , high pay , a company car ,  "hey pay off my student loans too while you're at it "

    1. Petra Vlah profile image58
      Petra Vlahposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I wonder WHY would the media choose this specific interview?
      Is it because thay want to discredit the movement?!

      Nehhh! they will never distort reality, they will never manipulate the truth and will never put their spin on anything. Our media is "indipendent", "reliable" and tells it "as it is", so relax people; the media knows best what's good for you and how much information you really need

      1. thebigbagblog profile image59
        thebigbagblogposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        lol...Reminds me of that old Looney Toons saying, "DON'T YOUUU BELIEVE IT!"

  31. ahorseback profile image50
    ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

    Petra , you are right , our media sucks ! Plain and simple ,right or  Left it doen't matter who you listen to ,the media is on the side of the man that pays for the advertising , the commercials , Want to know what the media thinks ? Look to where it's money comes from !   And alot of their money comes from politics!

 
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