I started to wonder about this when one of my most recent hubs regarding the use of aborted fetuses in testing of certain products had all of the advertising removed. I started to look to see if it was the same for pro-Abortion Hubs and I found that those hubs still have advertising. Can you say BIAS? ..here?
So, and let me get this straight, you believe that an HP staffer sits and waits for you to publish a hub then turns off the ads immediately? Or do believe it is the actual completely automated system that determines that your hub is pro-life and passes a moral judgement on it?
As for the rest of the response, I won't argue abortion with you and I encourage others to stick to the moderation issue rather than the preaching.
I doubt that it is bias over abortion. Could it be use of the "wrong" words in the hub? A discussion of human cadavers used for testing purposes? Maybe stem cell research or use (although that seems far fetched)? Is it possible that the subject is one of those that is over used and saturated on HP?
Searching for "abortion" finds at least 1000 hubs - HP could well have decided the subject is saturated. Judging from titles, without reading any, many seem to be anti abortion. Some had ads, some did not.
In particular, one hub asking if abortion was murder had no ads. Because of the word "murder"? Maybe. Often simple single words will trip a filter because the bots can't read and understand - they just see one word (such as "breast" for example), figure the whole thing is against adsense TOS and remove ads.
If you really want ads on the hub, you might contact HP and see if it is a case of single words against adsense TOS, then find a workaround. If it is saturated, you are probably stuck with no ads.
I can respect people who oppose abortion, but not those who incite others to commit violence with extreme, inaccurate language. Abortion is not murder, zygotes and early fetuses are not babies. That's the kind of talk that "wound up" nutjob Scott Roeder to murder Dr. Tiller in his church in Wichita. That action was murder, not the sum total of all the abortions performed by Dr. Tiller.
Let me get this straight, Ralph. You're blaming pro-lifers for inciting Rhoeder to kill Dr. Tiller. Yet you deem it okay for liberals to advocate killing their unborn babies. And for them to ask others to help them do it, or do it for them, too! And you're against capital punishment because of the (highly unlikely) chance that an innocent person may be executed (even after they've gone through the justice system including the opportunity to appeal several times); yet you give the unborn "fetus" no opportunity to defend itself or to be defended; actually no right to ever even experience life outside the womb at all! Talk about taking away rights! Your view would take away the rights of people to call abortion murder?! Well, babies are NOT just fetuses. And abortion IS murder.
Yes, that's what the Catholic Church would like you to think.
30 years ago, the Southern Baptist Convention was pro-choice. Hard to believe, huh?
The reality is that evangelical social policy has changed constantly. Considering the wording of the English Christian Bible hasn't changed in 400 years, it suggests something other than the Bible at work.
I speak out against some of the Catholic Church's policies and false beliefs, yes. But I believe there are some Christians in that Church. The Catholic Church (at least the RCC) has some core beliefs that are just plain wrong. But there are some Priests from that Church that've taken a strong stance against abortion. I respect them for that. I also speak out against wrong policies and false beliefs in any Church.
It just goes to show how evil our society has become...quite scary really, when people can justify slaughtering their own children. It makes me wonder why they draw the line at people who are born, after all we are just a bunch of cells (at least that's what the evolutionists would say) so then there really is no such thing as murder..right!
I haven't suggested "taking away" anyone's rights. I'm just suggesting that calling abortion "slaughtering children" is not only inaccurate, but it is inflammatory and sometimes leads ignorant, mentally unstable individuals to commit mayhem.
As much as I like you, Ron, I gotta say this---stop accusing me of lying. Yes, abortion is murder. What? You and Ralph suggest it's "inflammatory" for someone to say that? I don't care. I'm "suggesting" that it's HUGELY inflammatory for someone to advocate that a child is simply something to be tossed into a garbage can in the first place, at the whim of a parent who thinks it's an inconvenience. Enough of the liberal whitewash and hogwash! And it's "inflammatory" for you to accuse people of lying when they're simply defending what is so obviously right, including the rights of a child.
Now, do I think that a 12 or 14-year-old child who aborts her baby should be tried as an adult for murder? No I don't. In the first place, she's a child herself and should've been protected from even having sex, and it would depend on whether the male she had sex with was an adult or not too as to whether he's tried for rape. But each case like that should be considered on an individual basis. There are degrees of prosecution for even adults who commit murder, depending on whether it's premeditated or self-defense, etc., and is judged on also the individual's mental capacity, etc.
But if we base the whole issue on the premise that an unborn child is a human being, a person, (which it is!), then we can go from there with the legalities of each case. The worst thing our government can do is what it's been doing---legalizing abortion so that no one is accountable for the death of a child. The best thing that can be done is to make into law the fact that each child has the right to life. When that premise is accepted and made known to everyone, then and only then will pregnant girls and women and fathers of any age be defended in their rights also as well as held to their responsibilities. And any adult including doctors (especially doctors really) should never advocate for or told they have rights to advocate for the killing of the unborn, except in cases of rape or where a life-threatening issue exists that requires a choice to be made. That lie of blanket legalization being an option has created a monstrous dilemma for everyone involved. That should not be.
It isn't a case of political bias, it's a question -- as others have rightly mentioned -- of Adsense's TOS.
"Google doesn't allow ads related to abortion that use violent language or gruesome imagery"
I would say that "who support the violent killing of babes in the womb", qualifies as violent language. I took a look at the hub and it doesn't seem particularly violent to me, but then again Google might. Who knows?
I think that is probably a necessary evil. HP has to protect itself and all of it's writers. A personal blog or website can chose whether their message is important enough for them to risk losing advertising. HP simply cannot allow all writers to take on responsibility for those writers who choose to push the envelope.
"Killing babies" is offensive language and the writer knows it... that's why she chose it, to illiciate an emotional response. To complain that her hub is ad-restricted is somewhat unrealistic. You can't be both incendiary and safe at the same time.
I had the advertising removed from a pros and cons of abortion hub, which was neutral in tone and subject matter, presenting both sides and not promoting any point of view. I think abortion as a topic puts off advertisers.
The hub was up for a few weeks before the advertising was taken off. I think most, if not all abortion-related hubs will have their advertising removed at some point, but it takes them time to find them all.
And you could well be right, but if so it is being done by Google, not HP.
I've seen a lot of posts accusing HP of censorship, but it always seems to boil down to a hub that could be violating adsense TOS. As PaulGoodman points out, his hub was neutral, yours is anti and I'm sure we could find examples of pro-abortion hubs that have been hit. As well as some both ways that have not been moderated (yet).
Given the severity of the penalty (complete loss of adsense income) HP doesn't have a lot of choice but to censor on the side of caution, but I've never actually found them to choose one side or another of any issue.
Does it matter? Finding one isn't going to change the fact that your hub doesn't have ads. The automatic filters caught it, so there was something objectionable. If pro-choice hubs don't trip the filter then they don't. I can assure you that an inanimate computer program isn't persecuting you alone. Try moderating your language if you want ads. If you feel strong language is necessary, then use it... but accept you won't have ads...
No one is picking on you Brie. I think you might like to think that they are, but sorry... you are just another hubber that has to play by the rules.
Some of these seem neutral, some are decidedly pro-choice.
Out of over 1000 hubs on abortion there will be many more. One thing that strikes me is that anti hubs are typically infused with grisly photos and discussion of violence; pro hubs usually have neither. While you may feel that it is OK to use these things because your cause is good, Adsense disagrees and is what is causing you to lose your monetization, not HP.
As Melissa says, you are not being picked on by HP. Not even by Adsense - they could not care less who you are or what you are writing about; just that the hub may contain no violence or offensive photos. Offensive being defined by Adsense, not by you or I.
Actually the most gruesome photos from the hubs you provided were on a pro-choice hub (go figure?). Out of the ones you provided only 2 were really pro-choice. But thanks for showing them to me. My hub has no graphic photos whatsoever and personally I think the language is quite tame. Nevertheless, there are 2 examples above and that is 2 more than I have seen previously, so thanks.
there is seriously something wrong here. . might be nice to every Jewish person on the planet if you went back to your maiden name instead of people thinking that you are actually a Jew. I know as I am a Jewish person, I found this example of yours totally offensive
Go back and re read some of your posts. If your grandmother has past . .I am sure some of your words have her rolling. If she is still alive, why not show her some of what you write here. Proud is not something she would be feeling.
Take K9keystrokes advice. . . think before you type.
NOPE, The people who advocated for black slavery in this country said that blacks were only 2/3rd human and the Nazi's did the same and so do people who advocate for the killing of innocent babes in the womb. Same exact thing.
Wow. In my opinion, this is purely sensationalizing a view point by using such hot-topic comparisons. It seems to me in your original post the concern was that you find your pro-life hubs to be ad free, while pro-choice hubs produce revenue. The use of Nazi and Black History really seem unrelated, however is often mistaken as a good fallback debate for the abortion topic. Good luck with whatever your end goal really is. Blessing~
Enough of this. This is not free speech here. I wrote a hub about melatonin awhile back. Then I discovered that google doesn't like prescription drugs hub articles. Although melatonin is OTC in US, it is not elsewhere. So I deleted the critter. I mean, why not, and who cares?
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