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Are we on the edge of civil war in America?

  1. ahorseback profile image49
    ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

    Media is on a blind race to promote diversity , our congress and senate is out of control , we are being taxed out of our shorts ,  There is so much division in culture , politics and in political opinions . Our economy is on the brink,  we are losing our hold on being "the superpower ". Do you believe we are headed for revolution?

    1. DonDWest profile image90
      DonDWestposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      You do have a history of settling major disputes through civil war. Your country was founded through civil war. And to be quite frank, you've started a trend of having a civil war every 100 or so years; and you're now due. I wouldn't exactly be surprised if it happened. I don't believe it will be because of race or religion though (that's a distraction), but states parting ways (forming new unions) due to political ideologies/disputes.

    2. Ron Montgomery profile image60
      Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      You are on the edge...

    3. recommend1 profile image72
      recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Your media is promoting division not diversity, the intention of the division is to keep the people apart - diversity is a healthy state that helps change and evolution in things as well as political systems.

    4. steveamy profile image59
      steveamyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      "we are being taxed out of our shorts ,"   False premise.  The tax burden is the lowest it has been in half a century.   Secondly, the arc of American history is toward "diversity."   It seems you listen to much to much talk radio...

      1. Pcunix profile image90
        Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Ayup. Talk radio and Fox News,  the great purveyors of utter nonsense. It's impossible to talk to people who believe this silliness,

        1. couturepopcafe profile image59
          couturepopcafeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Why do you single out these sources?  Aren't they all on the same 'sound bite' train?

          1. Pcunix profile image90
            Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            No, they are not.  NPR provides intelligent, well researched news with little bias.

            1. couturepopcafe profile image59
              couturepopcafeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Totally agree there.

            2. Danette Watt profile image89
              Danette Wattposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Thumbs up on that

      2. Jeff Berndt profile image90
        Jeff Berndtposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Glad to see other people calling out the BS.

    5. secularist10 profile image89
      secularist10posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      If by "we" you mean the middle class or small business owners, then you are correct--they are being taxed to the hilt. Meanwhile, the rich and super rich get away with a sweet deal.

      This century has seen and will continue to see some key developments, including:

      Gender:
      *With this recession, women are officially the majority of the workforce for the first time in American history
      *Traditionally male-dominated careers like construction and manufacturing have been on the decline for years, and this is accelerating
      *In many cities, single women now earn more than single men on average--another unprecedented development

      Economics and class:
      *The top 1% of income earners are taking home an all-time high share of the national income
      *Poverty is growing
      *America is alone among rich countries in its inequality; it actually resembles a third-world dictatorship more than a modern industrialized democracy
      *The government continues to show ineptitude in addressing its own debt problems

      Race and identity:
      *By the middle of this century, for the first time ever, the majority of Americans will not be white
      *Demographically, black and hispanic populations tend to be more poorly educated, with fewer skills and produce more crime than white or asian populations
      *Is America ready to be a truly non-white country? Will white Americans in the main accept it?

      I think if there is civil war or revolution coming, it will stem from these kinds of socioeconomic and demographic causes.

      1. couturepopcafe profile image59
        couturepopcafeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Can't wait to be in the minority.  Maybe we'll all be able to walk in the other guys shoes.  Interesting information about women in the work force.

    6. nightwork4 profile image59
      nightwork4posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      taxed? try moving to canada or britian. you folks have capitalism and that is what is going to destroy you. also letting the wrong people lead your country without any real say from the people.

      1. couturepopcafe profile image59
        couturepopcafeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        How do they elect leader in Canada or Britian?

        1. Jeff Berndt profile image90
          Jeff Berndtposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I speak under correction, but I understand it to be like this: the people elect their Members of Parliament (MPs) and the majority gets to install their favorite guy as Prime Minister. If there's no clear majority, someone has to put together a coalition and get enough MPs from other parties to back him as PM.

      2. mom101 profile image60
        mom101posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        nightwork, how can the people "say" when in fact they attempt, they are arrested?

    7. JYOTI KOTHARI profile image75
      JYOTI KOTHARIposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Yes, I believe. This will happen for economic reasons. America has advocated for capitalism for long time and enjoyed super power status. The US citizens cannot live or bear with recession.
      Can the US pay huge debt it has borrowed from other countries? External sources? I have written a lot about.

    8. Jeff Berndt profile image90
      Jeff Berndtposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      "we are being taxed out of our shorts "

      This right here is proof that you have no idea what's going on in the country and your opinions are based on made-up ideas.

      Taxes are currently the lowest they've been in decades.

      Stop making stuff up and pay attention to the real world.

    9. 910chris profile image72
      910chrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I just hope that we can have a peaceful revolution. Not another bloody civil war.

  2. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 5 years ago

    Do I believe it? No. Are you actually? Yes. wink

    1. brittanytodd profile image94
      brittanytoddposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      +1

  3. ahorseback profile image49
    ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

    While America does and has known many wars , we are not the only one that does. If one civil war is a history of civil wars .......? I don't know what to say.

    1. couturepopcafe profile image59
      couturepopcafeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Yeah, I wasn't there, but I didn't know there was a civil war in 1912 and 1812.

      1. eliserenee profile image61
        elisereneeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        big_smile  +1

  4. ahorseback profile image49
    ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

    Cagsil ? Huh.

    1. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I figured I would have to explain. So let me put it this way-

      You asked if I believed revolution is coming? I said No. Okay?

      Are you personally? I thought this was an appropriate question. Are you personally believing that a revolution is coming?

      From your OP, Yes you are personally holding on to the belief that revolution is coming. I just figured I would ask the question and you would confirm my "Yes" thought about your position.

      Well, if you believe a revolution is coming, then it must be coming, because it must be true, because you believe in things not seen and things hoped for.

      I don't believe a revolution is coming, I know it's already underway and it's silently moving through the consciousness of every person living in America. How do I know? Simple really, approximately 90%+ of my traffic to my written hubs is coming directly from America.

      Everyday I see a constant flow of American citizens reading my hubs and slowly people are getting it. That means there's going to be movement by said people. I don't write for my benefit, I write for the benefit of others.

      My company is all about bring America back under the control of the citizens. Plain and simple. I start from ground up, solely based on the individual themselves. This is the only way to bring change to America. It's the only way to restore America's Economy, it's the only way to bring Respect to America, instead of being a Nation of greed and selfishness.

      Freedom does have a cost. That cost is dictated by the upper 1% of the world's wealthiest, not just America's upper 1%. It's the upper 1% who holds all the cards and can bluff anytime it wants, and people would be unaware of it. This isn't a conspiracy theory, it's already proven that the upper 1% of the world's wealthiest own the banks(control of money) and own the "food" sources. Not to mention, the media.

      The only way to circumvent them is through the individual on an individual level. So, with that said- I know a revolution is already underway. So, it's not coming, but already begun.

      1. ahorseback profile image49
        ahorsebackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Well Cagsil , I am so happy with your response , thank you for clarifying that your 'company " is going to save our asses!  We owe you so much however  , your revolution is the same tired old nineteen sixties   liberal crapload of "power to the people".    You are quoting the usual  P.C. numbers I see.  Yeaa redistribution of wealth , that saves a country every time.  Now, if only you can do a little Lobbying with  the head hochos in D.C. , ......You'll  have us all "eating rainbow stew  with a silver spoon underneath that sky of blue  and drinking free "bubble up "   as another old sixties  friend of mine once said.

        1. Repairguy47 profile image59
          Repairguy47posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Merle Haggard is your friend?

          1. ahorseback profile image49
            ahorsebackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            You got it , In fact we're related!

        2. Cagsil profile image60
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          It's not so much about my company saving anyone's a$$. It's about individual responsibility.
          No crap about it. It's time for the individual to take sole responsibility for their life.

          P.C. numbers? No, I was quoting where my traffic is coming directly from.
          Who said anything about "redistribution of wealth"? How did you get that out of what I said?
          Taking on the "status quo" is the only option and it's not just dealing with the politicians. I have no intention on attacking the "White House" directly on. I have no need to do so. My battle isn't with them, my battle is raising conscious awareness and knowledge of the individual. It's about educating those who will be willing to listen and create a more responsible society, based on the individuality of each person.

          Transforming society can only happen on an individual level. So please spare me.

          1. couturepopcafe profile image59
            couturepopcafeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Gotta agree with you there, Cags.  This is what I believe.

      2. The Scary Truth profile image61
        The Scary Truthposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Cagsil, you mean like this? http://youtu.be/MqJO0B-yU7M the world wide movement has already started, everyone just needs to open their eyes, This movement alone is world wide, this one imparticualar advocates non-violent methods of change, FOR NOW

  5. psycheskinner profile image82
    psycheskinnerposted 5 years ago

    No.

  6. ahorseback profile image49
    ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

    Thank you for your insight Psyceskinner !lol

  7. psycheskinner profile image82
    psycheskinnerposted 5 years ago

    I am not sure what else to say.  What state would gain anything from fighting another state?  What demographic would all get together and declare a new country on US soil?  Even the Reps who throw the idea around are just pissing in the wind.  They know they'd be screwed if they tried anything of the sort.

    1. Hollie Thomas profile image61
      Hollie Thomasposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I don't know, I'm not a US citizen. But, does it come down to state vs state, or people vs establishment (which I recognize can take several forms)

      1. The Scary Truth profile image61
        The Scary Truthposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        people vs establishment not state versus state

  8. ahorseback profile image49
    ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

    I'm not so sure , I have believed that , once hunger overtakes a population then you have real problems . No denying!  How close are we ? Recommend i Yes , I wasn't thinking!.....thanks

    1. cheaptrick profile image79
      cheaptrickposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      How close are we?...to food shortages;we're on the verge.Remember the floods that knocked out massive wheat and corn crops?
      Or how about the drought that killed or forced ranchers into selling %80 of their beef early?
      Those disasters haven't hit us yet,but they're on their way and when they get here...well...what would you do if your kid was hungry and food was just not available...unless you were wealthy?
      Civil wars never start instantly,first sporadic violence by law abiding citizen who've been forced into the position of watching their loved ones suffer,then organisation in small groups,and finally an all out war by those confederated groups.That's always been the game plan.
      It's on the official Illuminati web site...Ha!

  9. yellowstone8750 profile image59
    yellowstone8750posted 5 years ago

    We are close to revolution. Revolution occurs when people lose hope, and there are  lot that are. I live in the small town of Taos, NM (pop 7,000) and there was an Occupy Taos demonstration in the city plaza today. We are in a state of decline.

  10. ahorseback profile image49
    ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

    Well lets hope not  and prepare for it anyway. I say ! and somehow I just cant imagine  a revolution in the beautiful area of Taos. LOL

    1. yellowstone8750 profile image59
      yellowstone8750posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Taos is very Left, in  very conservative state.

  11. Shadesbreath profile image90
    Shadesbreathposted 5 years ago

    People still have stuff. They still have TVs and video games and Facebook. As long as there are flashing lights to keep them contentedly staring into stimuli of some sort or another, there won't be a civil war.

    Not enough people are hungry yet.

    And if it starts getting too close, the big corporate chains will drop the price of a spicy chicken sandwich to 59 cents. Or 29. Whatever.

    1. The Scary Truth profile image61
      The Scary Truthposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Read into the SOPA and PIPA acts very carefully, in the guise of Pirating laws it also give the government full control of internet content in its country, all digital media will be censored, in fact someone has already made an addon for firefox that gets around the censor ship and blocks IP adresses from being seen, so inevitably soon there may not be all those things

  12. ahorseback profile image49
    ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

    Oh ! Okay so as long as the blue lights shine through the living room windows we're Okay? Glad to know that . I can imagine during a "civil" war foraging for food and ammunition pounding on someones door  and having them open it to me while two and a half men plays on ? Yay !   I hope Not!....I'd rather freeze in a nuclear post war than suffer through  another moronic sitcom .LOL

    1. steveamy profile image59
      steveamyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      blue light -- TV? or is that is Red State/ Blue State reference ?

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    oldandwiseposted 5 years ago

    I believe there is a potential for one. As long as media promotes fear and the economy is in the dumps, it could happen.

  14. secularist10 profile image89
    secularist10posted 5 years ago

    You certainly don't need a massive number of people to be hungry to have a civil war or revolution. In fact, if people are too hungry, they don't have the strength to fight (look at Ethiopia or other African countries for example). By contrast, consider the Iranian Revolution, American Civil War, Spanish Civil War, or French Revolution. Some food shortages may have played a role, but people were not starving right and left. Any shortages usually have more of an economic effect--i.e. inflation--rather than an actual grumbling in people's stomachs. It's the economic stuff that makes people feel they are losing their opportunity or destiny.

    1. recommend1 profile image72
      recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I think you are right in general - war and insurrection are always to do with economics, normally directly about trade as we are marched out to occupy other countries so that our masters can get richer, or to defend their trade routes. 

      As the US is all about consumerism and business then a decline in the economic situation will be the trigger for unrest in America.  You have already passed the "worth less than you owe" stage and rely on the rest of the world's fear of a global economic collapse to keep you afloat. 

      There is no apparent will to give up the expensive toys and global bullying that is your current armed forces (and same for the UK), and no will to regenerate your own production, no will to prepare people for the inevitable lower standards and no care for the many people forced out of their comfortable lives with no jobs on the horizon to aim for.  And no control over the rich who make their money from your back or from warmongering and then shift their assets out of the country.

      1. couturepopcafe profile image59
        couturepopcafeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        What country do you live in?  Where is your citizenship?

        (Nice try at starting a revolution right here in the forum)

        1. yellowstone8750 profile image59
          yellowstone8750posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Revolutions do not start on Hubs, they start when people lose hope, and many are losing hope. The conservtives need to bewre. Marx said, that it's all about money, esp. in advanced capitlism. And yes, I'm  Marxist: there are more than you are aware of in this country.

      2. yellowstone8750 profile image59
        yellowstone8750posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        reccomend1; Nicely stated, see my comment below.

  15. ahorseback profile image49
    ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

    Wow , got to think about that for awhile! Good points.

  16. GoGreenTips profile image61
    GoGreenTipsposted 5 years ago

    Really if you look back at what caused revolutions and civil wars there isn't just one reason, but a combination of reasons. Perhaps even someone working behind the scenes?

    Anyway I think that within our own country their isn't going to be a civil war. Really our government is too sophisticated, has too much intelligence capability to allow anyone to develop what would be considered a threat.

    As far as civilians, or ordinary people overthrowing the government our police forces, both local and national have way too much capability. Look at OWS, the tactics used would have caused our leaders to cry foul if they were used in another country, but here they are barely covered in mainstream media.

    Truth be told, while we were glued to our nintendo's and tv's the PTB secured their position.

    1. couturepopcafe profile image59
      couturepopcafeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I'm inclined to agree with you.  The U.S. is beyond insider war in this century.  Hand to hand combat is for street thugs, at least here anyway.  It might be the only way to go in some middle eastern countries but here we work through the law.  We don't storm the castle and destroy the leaders by killing them and taking over.  Groups like OWS are within their lawful rights.  We've been complacent for a long time because things were good for us.  Now they're not so we protest and try to make changes.  No civil war.  IMO, any war that does take place within our ranks will be racial not economic and not necessarily black/white races.

  17. maxoxam41 profile image79
    maxoxam41posted 5 years ago

    the bible

    1. yellowstone8750 profile image59
      yellowstone8750posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      The Bible what?

  18. Moderndayslave profile image60
    Moderndayslaveposted 5 years ago

    Civil war,no. Major house cleaning,yes.

  19. ahorseback profile image49
    ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

    GoGreen ,I dissagre , No government , colonial or not is so all powerful that revolution or civil war cannot be waged. no matter the power of the US government  , its military , intelligence , communications or anything!
    When a society becomes enraged enough , with the factors of hunger , social chaos, media , unemployment,  anything is possible. OWS is just abunch of kids in tents , nowhere near an uprising! I agree with you that cell phones , game boys and Tvs are a hindrence . But , shut down the power stations ! That changes everything  in this scenario.  Between  civil unrest , influences from outside our country and many other factors . Anything can happen.

    1. GoGreenTips profile image61
      GoGreenTipsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      The problem is despite all the problems people should be enraged and they really aren't. What is different now than ever before is the power of the mass media and its ability to persuade, and either provide information or disinformation as the few see fit.

      For instance you say that OWS is just a bunch of kids in tents, well this is just what the mass media has portrayed it as and it just isn't true. The power of our government lies within the corporations, banks and the few that run them. Look at the wars in the Middle east, we have been at war for ten years, spending billions if not trillions and does anyone dare to speak for fear of being called unpatriotic?

      I doubt it the media has done a great job of making sure that no one speaks out to vocally..No sir I'm sorry but I think the vast majority are to brainwashed to make an change.

  20. ahorseback profile image49
    ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

    It is obvious that our media in America is poluted beyond repair, our government is corrupted by greed and open corruption,  but , when a certain combination , a recipe if you will , happens . Anything is possible ! The changing of basic human needs that would  be effective in a civil breakdown are , food availability , fuel for heat and transportation, an economic system collapse i.e. mass calling in of home morgages, mass unemployement , infrastructure breakdowns , on and on .....Its all possible ! Is it likely , probably not ! But, I wouldn't bet my house on it! By the way The OWS is simply unorganized , like the tea party neither one wil amoount to much of any change . All taken into account though , there is a change in the wind!

  21. habee profile image89
    habeeposted 5 years ago

    I hope we're not headed for a revolution, but it does concern me a little. I read that militia groups are increasing, along with firearm sales. We looked for some 00 buckshot a few months ago, and we couldn't find any. The gun shops told us they sell out as fast as they get in the buckshot. Most folks in the South were already heavily armed, and now they're buying more. In fact, I bought hubby a .308 rifle for Christmas last year.

    1. couturepopcafe profile image59
      couturepopcafeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Anyone tries to start a war down here, you'll see a line of pickup trucks from Texas to Virginia loaded with shotguns and deer rifles.  "War's over."

      1. mom101 profile image60
        mom101posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        couturepopcafe, im a little confused. How would a line of pickups hold up against, let's say an armored tank?

        1. couturepopcafe profile image59
          couturepopcafeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          It was just a joke that a stand up comic used about the south.  I forget his name but he toured with Larry the Cable Guy.  Essentially it means they don't take any shit down here when it comes to home and hearth.

  22. Reality Bytes profile image94
    Reality Bytesposted 5 years ago

    We are not going to have a civil war or a revolution.   The next calamity that will hit us is when the world drops the dollar as the reserve currency.  Fuel prices will skyrocket, food will disappear. There will be a three to six month period that will be complete chaos in America.

    I check the headlines everyday to make sure the dollar still holds its grandeur.

    1. couturepopcafe profile image59
      couturepopcafeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      What do you suggest?

      1. Reality Bytes profile image94
        Reality Bytesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I am hoping to hang on for one more year.  I think an energy friendly administration will create many jobs and pull us out of this hole, though it will be gradual.  Imagine, the United States selling energy overseas it could happen!  We must allow companies to fail!  Just like the individual, if a company cannot make ends meet bankruptcy court is open and available to them.

        The next thing I would suggest is that people stop thinking of themselves as workers for a company.  I have never worked for a company, I have worked to raise my children, I worked for my family.

        Entrepreneurship will help everyone.  Maybe a company cannot afford to hire full time workers with benefits but they can hire workers on a temporary basis.  So each individual becomes a private contractor themselves.  There can be changes to health care but they must drop the state lines and allow consumers to purchase their product wherever they want.

        Short story: My friend wants to open a rib restaurant.  When she went to obtain her license she was told she would have to cover the taxes for the previous TWO owners.  She started a fuss because why did not the second owner have to cover the taxes for the first?  I do not know how she did it but she did get the license.  The moral is that Government is stifling the individual.

        We are Americans, we can overcome each and every obstacle but it is hard to overcome an obstacle with the Government dragging you down by your ankles.

        1. couturepopcafe profile image59
          couturepopcafeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Well said.  It is a bit baffling about the restaurant taxes.

        2. eliserenee profile image61
          elisereneeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          What exactly do you mean by energy friendly?

          I agree with everything else you said there. Entrepreneurship WILL help everyone. There is no reason that anyone has to work their entire lives for another corporation/company. This website (HubPages) is proof that there are alternative ways to create income. As you said, "we are Americans, we can overcome each and every obstacle but it is hard to overcome an obstacle with the Government dragging you down by your ankles." We need a government that is more small business friendly and promotes individual liberties.

          1. Reality Bytes profile image94
            Reality Bytesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Energy friendly, we have more oil under our soil then the rest of the world combined.  I have to include Canada in that, our little British sister  LOL.

            There is also thermal energy we have not even touched.  Yellowstone alone could provide free power for hundreds of years. This thermal power can be found almost everywhere. 

            We allow Brazil to drill in the gulf and even loan them the money to do it.  The American corps. are having difficulties obtaining permission to engage in the same activities in the same waters.  Govt regulations.

            Govt. has no idea how to create a new industry, never has, never will.  If solar panels and wind turbines are cost effective there will be plenty of investment capital available to burgeoning corps.  We do not need to burn our money on bankrupt businesses from the start. ( BTW, FYI I despise those monolithic turbines, disgusting on the landscape.)  Solar power I played with as a child. 

            There is a bill in Congress that will allow for the completion of a pipeline which would put a million people to work immediately.  It is tied in to the budget they are discussing right now.  Friday will be another day of Govt. created crisis.  "Oh my something hit me in the head  egads the sky is falling kind of crisis."

            The Govt created Chevy Volt is such a bust that the batteries combust unexpectedly.  Every buyer is now allowed a full return on their 40k POS Volt.  The taxpayers also kicked in 10,000 dollars for each of those little unwanted rats.  Are we going to get a refund GM?

            Releasing the overburdening regulations, freeing up capital, will create a firestorm of entrepreneurship.  Henry ford did not need Govt. holding his hand.  Carnegie. Rockefeller.  etc....  These men exemplify the type of spirit this nation is lacking. 

            I always study history to reveal the repetition so as to have knowledge of the outcome.

            That is all I can think of right now. smile  There is more, darn this should have been a hub  lol

  23. ahorseback profile image49
    ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

    Reality Bites , "there will be no revolution ", uhh hhhuh, and yet you go on to discribe the very recipe for a good civil war . The dollar is the key I'll give you that . But don't count out an uprising. History repeats itself constantly!

    1. Reality Bytes profile image94
      Reality Bytesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I said the NEXT great calamity.  I did not say everything would be fine and dandy after that.  It is a Reality, the dollar will be replaced as the world's reserve currency!  Europe is imploding as we speak, if you go to the ocean you can hear it LOL  The middle east, well enough said.  Even in Russia there are demonstrations.


      I do not think the next war will be centralized in one country.  I think we are headed for a World War.

  24. ahorseback profile image49
    ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

    I have been following and listening to those who understand the worlds many economies , you may well be right  about a world war  ! But don't count out a civil war just yet. Americas representational government is as out of control as ever ! And,  with no sign of change .

    1. couturepopcafe profile image59
      couturepopcafeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      When chaos begins in earnest, Americans will join the fray, each in his own way.  Some will loot, some will head for the hills, some will hide out where they are and try to defend their position.  I pity anyone who isn't ready if it happens in their lifetime.

      1. mom101 profile image60
        mom101posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Chaos. That is what the enemy wants. Chaos.

        Concern, careful strategic planning, and carrying on is the calm order.

        Chaos itself is a disaster.

        Little house on the prarie show is what I see happening. But, it ain't all that bad.
        If we are taken back to that point in time, way of life, we MIGHT actually gain back much of what we have lost since that point in time before.

        We CAN do it. Together.

        1. habee profile image89
          habeeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          But that family lived in a rural area and could procure and produce their own food. People living in cities can't do much of that.

          1. mom101 profile image60
            mom101posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            In a time of "natural disaster", rural or urban will not be a thought. Or it shouldn't be I should say.

            I live smack dab in the heart of the city. I have about an acre here. I have grown gardens and my neighbor has a few chickens. TRUE, we may not can raise cattle, but certainly with the gardens we would have food.

            It IS very doable. You don't have to have a huge farm to grow a garden, and there is no rules that state you can't grow a garden. Though, there are some "laws" on the drafting table that says to share produce out of ones own garden would carry a fine or imprisonment.

            1. habee profile image89
              habeeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I was thinking more along the lines of those who live in inner-city apartments. Agreed, you can do a lot on an acre.

              1. mom101 profile image60
                mom101posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                That 's why in order to survive, it will take the involvement of the entire community.

                Those with land, do the garden, those in the apartments, can can the harvest.

                Those that can teach, can teach.

                It will take everybody pulling together. I firmly believe, everybody has some kind of talent or capability. As it is now, our government doesn't seem to want one to know that little fact.

                You as a teacher should understand and have probably witnessed the structure in which an educational system works is geared toward conformity, and as bad as I hate to think about it, kinda like dumbin down people.

                I refer to tv shows a lot because people seem to relate. There was  a show, McGyver, the basis of this program was to guide one to think ahead, how to survive in certain situations, how to use what is available to get through a crisis.

                I personally do not think we will go back to the days of Little House, But, I do feel we are headed for some major changes. Times will be tough. It will take a lot of common sense thinking to make it through, but, as we have seen, we will be a stronger people when we get through it.

                My granny use to tell me, I was getting to big for my britches. I wore her and papah out with show me how to questions. I just pray that if we are faced with a disaster that I can remember the how to answers they taught me. I try to teach my son and others but they are a lot like the majority of the population, they think we will never have to go through anything like that again.  I hope they are right. BUT things like the law that was passed that makes it illegal to use cash to purchase used items make it seem more of a possibility. 

                As a teacher, have you heard anything about the US  Mexico and Canada becoming one Union? The reason I asked is,  a lady came into my store about a year ago and we were talking and she was describing what was going to happen. She is a history teacher and she thinks we are in the process of making a huge change in history.

                1. Pcunix profile image90
                  Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  It would have its advantages, but misplaced patriotism will fight it tooth and nail.

                  1. mom101 profile image60
                    mom101posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Some would argue that we the people have no "say so".

                2. habee profile image89
                  habeeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  The question is, would people work together? I fear that it would be more of an "every man for himself" situation. Those with land would have food, especially in places with long growing seasons. Of course, if city dwellers got hungry enough, I figure they could survive on pigeons for awhile. My family and I would survive with venison, rabbits, quail, doves, woodcock, ducks, squirrels, wild boar, and fish. If we ran out of those critters, we'd start eating coon and possum. Of course, not everyone has access to wild game.

                  1. couturepopcafe profile image59
                    couturepopcafeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    And I guess we'd figure it out really fast.

                  2. mom101 profile image60
                    mom101posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Habee, no question it would be a guarded situation.

                    I too am blessed with all the wild animals. I was raised from the land so to speak as I grew up.

                    My point is, IF we are faced with a disaster, of any kind, we will HAVE to work together, IF we are to survive.

                    One family may have food, but without electricity, while another has a wood cook stove and wood, just low on food.

                    Chaos. Panic. Greed. A disaster.

                    We have overcome many things, I feel with a calm mentality, we will slide pass this hurdle as well.

  25. road2hell profile image79
    road2hellposted 5 years ago

    Your country is so split on so many issues that I wouldn't be surprise if your country spilts up.  Democratic states will form maybe three or four new countries and say with the Republicans.  Their differences will never be settled.  Unless a grassroots third party comes out of nowhere, I can't see a "United" States!

    1. Reality Bytes profile image94
      Reality Bytesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      There is only one party in the United States that is comprised of two branches.

      The more Americans realize this the faster the People can Unite and show the controllers that the actual power in this Nation resides in "We the People" only, that their usurption of control will come to an end or they will!

      1. yellowstone8750 profile image59
        yellowstone8750posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Correct. A third party would emiliminte the electoral college.

  26. ahorseback profile image49
    ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

    Sorry , Can't see that scenario happening . The states will remain united , but a real ,and I hate this word, "Grassroots " voter uprising will have to happen and soon !  As to 'Little house on the praire' , I live in Vermont a very rural and agri-based state . At the last review it was determined by some 'experts' That this state could feed only 15 percent of its own population. Thats pretty sad.  I would guess that the entire U.S could do only a little better ! The US isn't going anywhere , the entire worlds political and economic system won't allow it , They need us too much. America is being ripped off by too many other nations in economics, The dollar is too big a base for the worlds economy to allow it to devide.  What we need now ! is a voter revolution based on a clear messege of cleaning house in washington! The people need to "Fire " congress and senate and start over. Term limits ! for one thing is required.

    1. couturepopcafe profile image59
      couturepopcafeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Love them or hate them, the Tea Party is a grassroots group.

    2. Jeff Berndt profile image90
      Jeff Berndtposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      "At the last review it was determined by some 'experts' That this state [Vermont] could feed only 15 percent of its own population."

      Really? Wow, that is pretty sad. What are Vermont's farmers raising? And how much of Vermont's productive farmland has been turned into subdivisions? I know a lot of that has happened in Michigan.


      "Love them or hate them, the Tea Party is a grassroots group."
      It was a grassroots group. No longer.

  27. stclairjack profile image79
    stclairjackposted 5 years ago

    i supose the end that all have been talking about for 100 years will evenualy get here,... the end always gets here,....

    i like listening to those who compare america to rome, and then equate the rise and fall of the roman empire to the US,....

    funny,.... historians tell us that rome fell in 500 what ever # AD,... but the outter reaches of he empired did not know it for 40-80 years,... the world continued on for them, a lack of comunication coupled with the distraction of daily living obscured the news from the people,...

    i sometimes wonder is out rome, the untited states of america didnt fall 0 years ago,.... and we've been soo disracted by the daily strugle and the modern media to notice the fall,....

    could it be that we were so wrapped up in an episode of sinefeld that we missed it?..... and one day we'll wake up just in time to catch up with the aftermath?..... just in time to see the victor crown him/herself emperor,... and the loosers will still be the people?

    1. stclairjack profile image79
      stclairjackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      i also wonder if my key board is demon posessed.

      1. couturepopcafe profile image59
        couturepopcafeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        lol

  28. ahorseback profile image49
    ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

    Thats Funny Guys! Yes !, the tea party , however it is judged ,is a beginning!!! We will not fall ! I don't see America following Rome . We must however  act with all due dillegence.  The people will arrise from the boob tube , from game boy , from espn , and rise to the calling!  Vote on my frends! .....Ta ta taaa ta ta !

  29. Druid Dude profile image59
    Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago

    Certain signs say:BEWARE AMERICA, and no tea party is going to stop whats coming. OWS won't stop it.

  30. ahorseback profile image49
    ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

    Before you call me a conservative , and I except that !- compare the two , OWS is for the most part extremely unorganized and more of a "woodstock " mentality , and the tea party is  more of a socialy diverse group of people.  Either way , both have important messeges spoken from  very 'grass roots ' beginnings. An uprising ! Of taking back control of government!...That has to happen now . Or soon!

  31. Druid Dude profile image59
    Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago

    There has already been action taken by our legislators that makes no sense unless THEY are afraid of an uprising of some kind. I could specify.

  32. ahorseback profile image49
    ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

    To tip over the edge of no return in America would be a shame! But it could happen . Incited by the economies downfall,  or by the totalitarian greed of our out of control gov. reps. , an American people unwilling to live under those conditions of federal over-control could spark anything! And to think of it as one man standing agains the might of the US government is not real , Many a nation has seen thier downfall into civil unrest and even total change in spite of  strong government or military strategic positioning . Washington should keep in mind that the people are far more powerful than tanks or helicopters  or rockets. We don't ever want that to happen ,but it could I think!

  33. GoldenBird profile image60
    GoldenBirdposted 5 years ago

    I heard from an american that the states there are in a confederacy against the center. Who can say!

  34. The Scary Truth profile image61
    The Scary Truthposted 5 years ago

    Actions taken like the NDAA by our government will force the hand I would think, or I would hope. Americas government has gotten out of control, they have whittled every right we have away, and has locked the land in a constant police state, groups are growing to take action, and its only a matter of time before it boils over. One BIG point I would like to make, the current prison population is higher then our current military. Which means We have more people pissed at the country then protecting it. Not to mention the number of OWS people. And the first civilian shot by the military/police will be the straw that broke the camels back. We are sitting on a powder keg, it should go boom very soon.

    1. The Scary Truth profile image61
      The Scary Truthposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      And The NDAA just passed senate, waiting for a signature by the president, and Congrats america all your rights are now under military regime

      1. Quilligrapher profile image89
        Quilligrapherposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Hello Scary. I hope you are having a pleasant day.

        I just thought I would leave a comment about the real impact of the NDAA of 2012. It would be a shame if some people actually believed “all of our rights are now under military regime.”

        The Senate version of the NDAA of 2012 contains sections 1031 and 1032 that attack the right of American citizen’s to a speedy trial by jury. The U.S. government has always had the power to use military and local law enforcement to quell riots, or to repulse invasions, and even to suppress insurrections. These powers are not unusual or unjust even if they are not always applied without bias. The NDAA of 2012 does not alter this very basic, long-standing ability. To declare all the rights of American citizens “are now under military regime” is to deliberately distort the facts.

        The bill does establish new law by including the interior of the United States in the definition of a war zone and codifies, for the first time, the use of the military to indefinitely detain without formal charges “enemy combatants” accused of operating within the borders of the U.S. Until now, this has been the jurisdiction of the FBI. When applied to U.S. citizens and legal residents, this law approves the suspension of some Constitutional rights when accused of enemy activities. The disturbing issue is not the eminent threat of tyranny but, rather, dispelling the notion that suspending basic rights and liberties is both necessary and justified in order to achieve security. 

        I urge everyone to keep an eye on this important legislation. Civil liberties are again being sacrificed in the name of security and we all should consider withholding our votes from the legislators who voted for this bill. 

        Thanks Scary for adding to the conversation. I am certain you did not intend to mislead your readers.

  35. ahorseback profile image49
    ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

    Wow scary Truth , thats pretty impressive reporting there! Better get my hard hat out!

  36. JYOTI KOTHARI profile image75
    JYOTI KOTHARIposted 5 years ago

    Very interesting debate disclosing several secrets.

  37. ahorseback profile image49
    ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

    Jyoti , These things could only be secret in  another country, In America, there are no secrets , only fools with a bad case of paranoia....

    1. Druid Dude profile image59
      Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Like I like to point out, this really goes beyond Orwell's "1984". When it was written (1934 or 5) technology virtually was non-existant. Two years ago, ammo disappeared from retail shelves. For two, three weeks, you couldn't find a bullet. When the new ammo hit retail, it supposedly has only a six month shelf life. No stockpiling. Our cell phones are tracking devices, and our computers are invadable.  Satellites we have put up in the past can and probably are used to watch us all. If you are in the machine...you are nailed to the wall.

      1. Will Apse profile image90
        Will Apseposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        1984 was published in 1948. Orwell transposed the numbers.

  38. dfuntanar profile image59
    dfuntanarposted 5 years ago

    "Greed has poisoned men's souls; has barricaded the world with hate; has goose-stepped us into misery and bloodshed. We have developed speed, but we have shut ourselves in. Machinery that gives abundance has left us in want. Our knowledge has made us cynical; our cleverness, hard and unkind. We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. The aeroplane (computers) and the radio (internet) have brought us closer together. The very nature of these things cries out for the goodness in man; cries out for universal brotherhood; for the unity of us all. Even now my voice is reaching millions throughout the world, millions of despairing men, women, and little children, victims of a system that makes men torture and imprison innocent people. To those who can hear me, I say "Do not despair." The misery that has come upon us is but the passing of greed, the bitterness of men who fear the way of human progress. The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish."     - Charlie Chaplin, The Great Dictator, 1940

    If there will be a revolution or not, would somehow depend if we would come to a point of unity or to a point of disunity.  Watch the entire speech here.

 
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