SOPA and PIPA are two proposed laws that will enable copyright holders to accuse websites which hosts pirated content. Wikipedia, in protest, will blackout English Wikipedia for 24 hours. Should Internet be free and open worldwide?
I'm still confused about SOPA and PIPA.
If they're laws to "enable copyright holders to accuse websites which host pirated content", why is that a bad thing?
I think the intention is the law is good, which is to protect people's copyright. But the law will implement penalty of 5 years if a website is found violating the law. I think Wikipedia did not like the severity of the penalty, as it is likely that many websites will fail to maintain that line.
I enjoy wikipedia. It is no less accurate than any other website or book, it is probably the most complete encyclopedia ever written. A great human achievement.
So do you think we should use our Fall Out Shelters and Crystal Sets or Can we just get by with our existing knowledge and common sense?
Oh no, the world will crumble. Not that, how can we live without a server full of inaccurate information for 24 hrs?
I guess,you read conservepedia or maybe fox references?
Just to play with your mighty intelligence, find the inaccurate information in the following article and help raise your rep.
I can dig tons of articles like that.
If you fail to point out inaccuracy in above article, please explain us low-lifers why you want to standby your assumption of "server full of inaccurate information" claim?
Guess you really don't know what you're talking about. At least that's what Wikipedia says. I guess I'll believe it, because that's what's on Wikipedia. It's no assumption, and you're not a "low-lifer", just ill informed. No need to "raise" my "rep" It's already credible to the people that matter, unlike your precious Wikipedia.
Aw snap yet another argument of public editing on wikipedia. Just because you're open to edit the page doesn't mean it's less credible and it will remain forever. I don't see your edit anymore, what happened ? Still unsure about how wikipedia works ?
*facepalm* No wonder likes of you subscribe to conservepedia and take "believe" part in life way too seriously over credibility.
Funny to read that "ill-informed" part is coming from you.
Let me guess, people who use conservepedia and watch FOX news, definitely
I removed the edit immediately after. Im quite familiar on how it works, and that is why I don't rely on it. I'm not a proponent of re circulating false information, unlike you. I don't see any relationship between this debate and what news programs we watch? That comment really shows your true character, and inability to recognize any other opinions besides the ones you agree with. If you want to bow down to Wikipedia be my guest, but those who truly rely on relevant information in my profession don't..
There is nothing wrong with Wikipedia, as long as you are intelligent enough to look at the sources. It's just as accurate as Encyclopedia Britannica, but more powerful for finding information.
The great thing about language, is how words have meaning, depth, and context. Any reasonable person can read what I wrote and understand it means to look at the sources, read the sources, and think for yourself. Obviously if the source is a blog saying 'This happened. It's true' it wouldn't be considered valid.
So tell me, what's the point of you 'fixing' what I wrote? Do you just enjoy causing difficulty where it doesn't need to exist?
If we were speaking I would partially agree with your statement about language; however, we are not speaking. Assumptions based off written statements are unnecessary if the author clearly writes what they intend to describe (unlike what you wrote there is ambiguity). The rest of your statement makes assumptions and judgements based of your own opinion about a "reasonable person", which not everyone shares, particularly me. I consider your writing style and assumption about comprehension unreasonable. I am not making anything difficult, to simply "look at the sources" on the bottom of the Wikipedia page does not mean one actually verified them, and that the actual interpretation of them by the author/s was accurate. Rather than do all of that legwork I would rather go straight to the source.
As I understand it, one of the big problems is that, under these laws, the mere accusation of piracy could cause a site (such as HubPages) to be shut down - without due process. A similar accusation of piracy would require that a site not accept credit cards (if it had previously sold items or services via credit card payment).
Initially, these laws do sound well-intentioned. But as you read more details, they become more questionable. Check out this info and rant (with a multitude of links): http://www.craigslist.org/about/SOPA
and this synopsis: http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/commen … ?context=3
Is SOPA, trying to clean the internet? (get it?) is it prounced SOAP-A?
Actually, Google is on the list of those who are opposed to it. Matt Cutts posted (on Google-Plus) a link to instructions for those who wish to participate in the blackout tomorrow (with their own individual websites).
From the craigslist link:
"Supporters of PIPA and SOPA: RIAA, MPAA, News Corp, TimeWarner, Walmart, Nike, Tiffany, Chanel, Rolex, Sony, Juicy Couture, Ralph Lauren, VISA, Mastercard, Comcast, ABC, Dow Chemical, Monster Cable, Teamsters, Rupert Murdoch, Lamar Smith (R-TX), John Conyers (D-MI)"
"Opponents of PIPA and SOPA: Google, Yahoo, Wikipedia, craigslist, Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, eBay, AOL, Mozilla, Reddit, Tumblr, Etsy, Zynga, EFF, ACLU, Human Rights Watch, Darrell Issa (R-CA), Ron Wyden (D-OR), Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), Ron Paul (R-TX)"
Not only might it affect content farms, but it could easily affect a lot of individual blogs and websites. All it would take is for some other website to accuse you of copying their content or selling some knock-offs, and your entire website could potentially be taken down. GoldenBird says that could be for five years!
According to other sources I have scanned, it only requires one instance of presumed piracy on the entire website to break this law. So, if only one Hubber out of thousands posted some pirated content (hmmm... could such a thing ever happen here?), then all of HubPages could possibly be shut down.
The craigslist link said that a better law is being proposed. That may be the one that addresses the piracy problem without opening a Pandora's box.
Thanks for the info! Wish HP was doing a blackout.
I'm glad Google is against it -- of course I can see why...
Why is mastercard for the law?? I use mastercard.
I sure hope this does not happen. What is the chance of these bills being passed?
I assume that the credit cards companies think it is a quick fix - a way to punish some website that accepts their card in payment for fake copies of Ralph Lauren designs or Chanel perfume, for example. The credit card companies may think (I'm guessing, you understand) that it will help prevent customers from coming back to the credit card company with complaints about merchandise.
The craigslist link (which I found courtesy of Sophia Angelique) has many, many other links that I have not investigated. Some of them seem to link to articles that indicate Congress is starting to backpedal - so maybe the protests are being heard. But it is still advisable for us to contact our representatives and voice our opinions. I haven't done so yet - I'm reminding myself too that I need to do so.
Government should not be involved in personal things such as this. When the federal of state governments involve themselves, it undermines individual liberty in a loathsome way, and threatens to disband the liberty that our nation has.
Hello GoldenBird. I guess my latest blog on SOPA and tonight's wikipedia blackout stirred you to write on the forum.
I have provided some links to contact your congressional representatives if you wish to be active and state your opinion.
Check it out, "Wikipedia SOPA Protest Turns The Lights Out Wednesday January 18 2012"
I think these events have already had an impact and they are backing down from passing these bills.
Plus, President Obama has implied he is against SOPA and PIPA as they would interfere with a free and open internet.
I have also posted a couple of POLLS on that Hubpages to find out if anyone has personally experienced being blocked.
I myself have run across a number of news media pages with videos, news reports and television programs that prevent me from viewing. This is frustrating when someone from UK or elsewhere sends me the link.
Obviously, everyone knows that countries like China block their people from viewing the entire internet.
How would you feel if this was standard operating procedure in America?
My personal opinion is, that it's not really a requirement to have such laws as these ones, with such severe penalty of 5 years imprisonment for a person who just knowingly / unknowingly posted a 'pirated' picture in facebook.
Most websites respect copyrights of others, and the DCMA was working pretty well.
Making more severe laws does not solve the problem, but worsens the situation. A government can also discuss a problem.
SOPA sounds like the online equivalent of the government penalising the entire post office because *one* person sent a parcel containing counterfeit goods.
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