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State of the Union

  1. Joelipoo profile image84
    Joelipooposted 4 years ago

    Did President Obama actually say anything last night?  What is the state of the union?  To me, it sounded like an hour long campaign speech. Did I miss something?

    1. Disturbia profile image60
      Disturbiaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Nope.
      Who knows.
      Yes it did.
      And, no you didn't.

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        Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        What she said.

        Quick and to the point as well as honest and correct. I like it.

    2. Evan G Rogers profile image83
      Evan G Rogersposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      IF I'm not mistaken, it was an hour long advertisement for natural gas.

      1. kirstenblog profile image78
        kirstenblogposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        The sort I generate sometimes?

        1. Evan G Rogers profile image83
          Evan G Rogersposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I dunno, that might be unnatural.

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            Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            No, it's TOTALLY natural and generated any time Congress is in session.

          2. kirstenblog profile image78
            kirstenblogposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Actually, sometimes it ain't natural! lol
            If I eat the right stuff, boy it can get toxic! lol

            I'm such a lady! big_smile

    3. Cassie Smith profile image74
      Cassie Smithposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      No, he can't say anything, things have gotten worse since he became president so he's trying to divert attention away from that by making the State of the Union address into the beginnning of his campaign for re-election.

      The state of the union is bad, we still have high unemployment which he said was going to be no higher than 8% and his stimulus hasn't done anything for the economy but increase our debt burden.  It was a weird speech, he spoke out of both sides of his mouth.

      Yes it was a campaign speech.

      No you didn't miss anything.

    4. American Romance profile image60
      American Romanceposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      He said he wanted congress to give him authority to make the government lean and fiscaly responsible! I laughed so hard I almost busted! Who in their right mind would give this freak of nature any more power than he already has???

        He also continued his fight for class warfare! Recent study says it takes an average of 17.8 years and 75 to 80 hour work weeks to become a millionaire!  I guess to some like lovemychris this is absurd and unfair!  Therefore her only solution is to whine and cry and beg Obama to take it away so she can have it for nothing!

    5. Ramsa1 profile image69
      Ramsa1posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      It was a campaign speech! All the previous presidents have done it and so will all future presidents. Most, if not all, of what he hopes for will not happen even if he is re-elected. The Buffet Rule will never happen. Why? The rich run the country and they will never increase their own taxes.

  2. wilderness profile image95
    wildernessposted 4 years ago

    The biggest thing I got, an overall feeling, was an immense desire to spend lots more money.

    1. Disturbia profile image60
      Disturbiaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      That's a feeling that comes over me sometimes when I'm at the mall.

      1. kirstenblog profile image78
        kirstenblogposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        But do you get that feeling when reading my hubs?!?! If not, I gotta learn from these people! lol

  3. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 4 years ago

    Yeah, he did. He said "all you coddled rich lay-a-bouts who had everything handed to you on a silver platter the last 30 years...time to pay up."

    Imagine! It's almost like begging to get wealthy people to contribute...we are so accustomed to worshipping them!

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      Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      SHE'S BACK!

      Yeah, those evil rich! Damn them!

      http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2011/0 … le-giving/

      "He said "all you coddled rich lay-a-bouts who had everything handed to you on a silver platter the last 30 years...time to pay up."

      Translation: If you worked hard and busted your butt to get where you are and made over a million dollars last year, we're going to take it from you and give it to the bottom 50% of Americans that pay no taxes at all, some of which are far too lazy to even attempt what you did, pursue the American Dream.

      The American Dream isn't something that's handed out by a government agency, LMC. It's something you have to work hard for and to keep.

      Pretty soon they're going to take away any incentive there is to build a business and make something of yourself. Then the whole country is going to be dependent on the government to give them what they need. Problem the country won't be able to afford it.

      Unfortunately, Socialists, Liberals, and Dems are much too blinded by their ideology and hate for America to see the folly of their beliefs.

      1. lovemychris profile image80
        lovemychrisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Bush handed it out like candy.
        The correct incentive to start a business is to further Human Evolution.

        If these troglodytes are stuck in their infantile greed-mode: time to wake them up!

        I love America, that's why I hate to see her being robbed.

        Power to the People, not the corporations.....or did we forget?

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          Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          "The correct incentive to start a business is to further Human Evolution."

          You're joking, right?

          The reason for starting a business is because you have a product or service you think people will buy. As a result of them doing so, you make money. You should try it sometime. Think of it as a mind-expanding experience.

      2. Josak profile image60
        Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        So ridicolous, to expect the whealthy to help out those in their country who are starving huh? My opinion is it shouldt even be necessary, if the rivh had any consience at all they would be giving most of what they have away like I do, since they obviously don't I am quite happy to take it from them, if they donn't like it they can move top a country that doesent care about it's poor, this one does and allways will.

        1. wilderness profile image95
          wildernessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I like the thought and attitude.  If you don't like what someone does with their money you have the ethical right to take it from them and do what YOU want with it.

          Expect me on your front porch within a week.

    2. Joelipoo profile image84
      Joelipooposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I hope you realize all your liberal leaders in congress are part of that "evil rich". I don't get why hard working people who earned their money should have to give more away.

      1. lovemychris profile image80
        lovemychrisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        So the coddled lay-a-bouts can pay less!

  4. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 4 years ago

    BTW....where in the Sacred Constitution does it state that Capitalism is the form of gvt we must adopt?

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      Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      No where, LMC. Capitalism isn't a form of government but rather an economic system, LMC.

      Capitalism - an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market.

      "a free market'

      Those are the 3 words you probably hate the most in the definition above. You don't believe in a free market because you don't understand it. You don't understand thus you hate it.

      Rather than hate it, educate yourself on it then open your own business. Once your making enough money to pay all your bills off and have enough left over for what is probably a long-deserved, much-needed vacation, maybe you'll open your eyes to the possibilities.

      1. steveamy profile image59
        steveamyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        A  free market like the oil companies function in ????

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          Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Yes, a free market like the oil companies function in.

          They are in business to make money, Steve. Any for-profit business is in business to make money. Otherwise, why be in business?

          Surely, you understand that.

          1. lovemychris profile image80
            lovemychrisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            OK, so they are there to stifle the competition. It's not free...they own it.

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              Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Again, get some investors and compete!!! Compete!!! Stop complaining and compete!!! The only thing stopping you is YOU!!!!

              1. lovemychris profile image80
                lovemychrisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                I'm not complaining, I'm pointing out the results of Capitalism. Eventually, the top of the pyramid grows ever smaller, as has happened here.

                And the truly lazy people are those who earn money on money.

                That is hardly work, and should not be given special treatment. Workers subsidize wealth.

          2. steveamy profile image59
            steveamyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Subsidies and rebates and political influence are not a free market....

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              Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              On that, you are correct.

        2. lovemychris profile image80
          lovemychrisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          6 companies own ALL of media. Some free market. Free to be bound to the wealthiest of the bunch! Buy or do without. Free to drop dead. wink

          1. Joelipoo profile image84
            Joelipooposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            That same liberal media that is that is the only reason Obama got elected you mean?

            1. lovemychris profile image80
              lovemychrisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Sorry, it was the American people who elected Obama.
              Blame it on the media all you like, it is the Republican policy we voted out.

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                Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                And it will be Obama's Socialist ideology we'll vote out this time.

                1. lovemychris profile image80
                  lovemychrisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Doubt it. One for all and all for one trumps me me me.

                2. lovemychris profile image80
                  lovemychrisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  "Obama called for an economically beneficial playing field, but not a different game"

                  Could you please explain how you think this quote is wrong?

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                    Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Just more political BS. He wants to strip us all of all we have and take away any hope of doing better.

                    Sorry, LMC. I just don't like the man nor his policies.

            2. lovemychris profile image80
              lovemychrisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Interesting......

              "Sunday Morning Talk Shows Featured Twice As Many Republicans As Dems Last Year
              By Alex Seitz-Wald on Jan 24, 2012 at 6:00 pm

              McCain has made at least 53 appearances on Meet the Press alone
              The Sunday morning political talk shows have long played a key role in American political discourse, providing a venue for balanced discussion about key political topics. But in 2011 at least, they were heavily skewed to one political party over the other. According to a new analysis of shows like Meet the Press from Roll Call, Republican lawmakers appeared nearly twice as often as Democratic ones last year, and held a smaller advantage in previous years:

              In 2009 and 2010, Republican Members held a small advantage over Democratic Members in appearances on these programs, getting 52 percent of the invites in both years. In both years, CBS had more Democrats as guests than Republicans by a narrow margin; in the same period, Fox News had more Republican guests by a wider margin.

              But in 2011, the GOP lawmakers captured 64 percent of the Congressional appearances on the five shows that Roll Call tracks, and every network featured more Republican lawmakers than Democrats. Of 330 Congressional appearances tallied by Roll Call last year, 210 went to Republicans and only 120 went to Democrats — fewer if you subtract the eight appearances made by Sen. Joe Lieberman, a Connecticut Independent who caucuses with Democrats."

              Liberal media, ehh?

            3. steveamy profile image59
              steveamyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              liberal media is a fiction dreamed up by the right so they can appear victimized.....statistics shoe the right gets far more appearances than does the left

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            Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Then get some investors and start your own, LMC. Who knows you might find you like making money by doing something other than working for someone else.

      2. lovemychris profile image80
        lovemychrisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Good! Just what I thought. There is no "god-given" mandate for Capitalism. So, any form of gvt is just as welcome.

        Geeee, who was it forced Capitalism on us all?

        Robber Barons for one hundred Alex.

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          Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          But neither does it say we should take what hard-working people make to give to the ones that are too damn lazy to do for themselves.

          You seem like a hard-working person. Start your own business. You just might find making money for yourself rather than your boss is a good thing. Be your own boss and reap the rewards that go with it.

          1. Uninvited Writer profile image83
            Uninvited Writerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            If everyone starts their own business, where will you find workers?

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              Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              You're joking. Right.

              Given the number of liberals that either don't believe in the capitalist system or are too lazy to try it on their own, I would say not everyone will be starting their own business so there will be plenty of people to consider.

              The problem is then whether or not those liberals are capable of doing the work. There in lies the real problem.

              This is my smartass answer to a ridiculous question. Good answers to reasonable, thoughtful questions are just as easy but first there must be that all important reasonable, thoughtful question.

        2. steveamy profile image59
          steveamyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          as others have mentioned capitalism is an economic system ... not a form of government

    2. Joelipoo profile image84
      Joelipooposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Why does it matter what the constitution says?  Obama hasn't seemed to care...

      1. lovemychris profile image80
        lovemychrisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        What was left of it after Buscho? Not much.

  5. Stacie L profile image87
    Stacie Lposted 4 years ago
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      Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Truer words were never written, Stacie.

  6. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 4 years ago

    Thank you for reminding me...another down-side to Capitalism. No money, no voice!
    Lots of money: Lots of voice.

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      Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Some people will never change no matter how wrong they are. You're one of those people, LMC.

      1. lovemychris profile image80
        lovemychrisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Ohhhhh, if I agree with you, then I'm right!geee, should have known that in high school.

        "Mom-- I agree with Longhunter, no more schooling needed." smile

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          Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Honestly, I would like to see you open a business, be successful, and take a much-needed vacation. That would change your perspective. Then you would be able to help others as you seem to want to do so badly. Just try.

          I don't expect you agree with me, LMC. Just try. Is the way you're doing it doing it for you? Are you as successful as you think you could be, working for someone else?

          1. lovemychris profile image80
            lovemychrisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I live paycheck to paychek. I'm behind on all bills....I have 3 kids in my care, and an aging mother. My nrg is taken up by life. None left to go begging for money. And given the state of USA, I'm grateful for a job. Thankfully, they can't outsource Cape Cod!

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              Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I understand, LMC. I live paycheck to paycheck as well and I'm behind on some of my bills. I got married almost two years ago and adopted my bride's son. She's a Type 1 Diabetic and can't work. She's selling Avon to try to help. I have another son in college. I spent all my retirement to get him an education that he's pissing away with low grades. I have two jobs, full time and part time, and doing all I can to make ends meet.

              All that being said, we're still trying to start our own business. I haven't given up on the American Dream. It seems a waste that a person like you with so much determination has.

              1. mom101 profile image61
                mom101posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Longhunter,

                I graduated hs at 17, got married at nearly 19, operated a business started by my parents starting at age 20, bought the business from them at age 25 and ran and operated it until having to close it to take care of my dad.

                The business was dependent of our clients. Without them, we didn't have a business. Ok, here is what the good ole gov did, they kept placing new laws into effect that one by one caused those clients to close their doors, which, when they did, ours were closing as well.

                Opening a business is easy as it gets. Keeping it open is hard as hell is said to be hot.

                My personal opinion is this, it is not our government that does not want a business to prosper. It is corporations, but, wait, dont members of the gov take "funds" from corporations?

                Our business was a good one. Not a wealth builder by any means. We grossed about 150 grand a year. It was just my husband and myself. We did manage to build a house, (we did the work ourselves), and when we finished it, it was paid for.

                As far as making money, I work full time, make a hell of a lot less than I did in business, but, guess what. My "take home pay" is more seems like.

                Opening a business is easy. Funding it is hard. there are so many taxes you wouldn't believe it. Not just taxes, you also have other huge expenditures you don' t have as you do say working for someone else.

                not everyone is cut out to or wants to open their own business.

                You and Lmc are both correct and I honestly think you both are on the same side of the coin.

                the problem isn't the government but it is at the same time.

                Things need to change. And they need to change quick. Laws are written not for the honest but to protect the lawless.

                When my parents bought this house the neighbors had a beautiful fence of hedge bushes.  The neighbors have passed and we have a new neighbor who has let the hedges grow out of control. They are taller than my 3 story house and are now growing over my roof.

                What needs to happen here to the uncontrolled hedges is to take a chain saw and cut right above the roots to let them start over.
                This is also what needs to happen to the way USA does things.

                The gov seems to forget who they work for. Period.

                It makes no difference if one is rep or dem, the outcome is the same. Period.

                WE THE PEOPLE HAVE GOT TO GET UP OFF OUR SHOESTRINGS.

                1. mom101 profile image61
                  mom101posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  It breaks my heart to see people at odds with each other. Especially when they are on the same page with each other.

                  We need to see the culprits as what they are and go from there.

                  Yes, there are loopholes in any system. Some people would rather make it a career to find them and live that way, knowing they could have so much more if they worked outside the loophole.

                  Problem: loophole.  Solution: Close them.

                  Advantages: Lots of money.

                  Separation of church and state: Really?

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                    Longhunterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    "You and Lmc are both correct and I honestly think you both are on the same side of the coin."

                    What? LMC and I couldn't be more different. I'm a Christian Conservative. She's a flaming liberal, Obama supporter. I have no idea what, if any her religious affiliation is. Don't care.

                    I want Obama out even if we have to impeach his sorry butt starting Monday, January 21, 2013. LMC wants to name him king for life.

                    Your story sounds familiar. What I gave is just from the last couple of years out of almost 50. Believe me, I'm not complaining. My situation is of my own making and I'm doing all I can to fix it. It's getting there slowly but surely. I'm doing it by hard work and watching every penny, not waiting for the government to bail me out.

                    As for the true culprits, you're right, Mom101, it's the idiots in D.C. I agree with you and I get the feeling you've pegged me the wrong way.

                    I'm not at LMC's throat but rather encouraging her to start something that could help her improve her life. There are no 100%'s in life but if you don't try, how would you know.

        2. wilderness profile image95
          wildernessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Interesting.  I had not realized that all the "occupy" crowd was rich. 

          In fact, I have heard (without verifying) that much of the "Occupy Boise" bunch  than are camped out on public land are actually homeless.  Maybe they've invested all their money, trying to get rich.

  7. barryrutherford profile image32
    barryrutherfordposted 4 years ago

    Didn't You 'Fracking' listen to the speech?

    1. lovemychris profile image80
      lovemychrisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Yes--natural gas.....and oil bidness has INCREASED under Obama. So--how is he a socialist?

      1. steveamy profile image59
        steveamyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        because Rush told me so...

  8. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 4 years ago

    I'm not giving up! I want to see it available for all of us, not just the lucky few.

    And, this place is NOT an equal playground...not by far. And deliberately so! How do I know? Because I remember when it used to be.

    For a kid to go to college, think of owning a home?? Nowadays??? It's a pipe-dream, where it used to be expected.

    All the goodness has gone to the top. We live in a cream float. And it does not have to be this way.

    1. Joelipoo profile image84
      Joelipooposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      So raising four kids and sending them all to college on less than $50,000 with none of them having any debt because they worked hard in school to earn scholarships. They worked every summer and all through school. Three of them are married already and own homes and the fourth is on the way. Yup that sounds impossible right?  Nope it's not because I lived it. It's called earning it through hard work and not having it giving by the government.

  9. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 4 years ago

    Yup....personal attacks, just like I said. The perps are all still here.

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    logic,commonsenseposted 4 years ago

    You hit the nail on the head mom101!
    They do forget who they work for and they are all the same, with minor superficial differences.
    Just like what were doing subsidizing GM.  If we government did not collect $24,000 in taxes from each taxpayer, we would be better off than when they give it to GM to make the next Edsel called the Volt.

  11. A Troubled Man profile image61
    A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago

    Probably the most important thing Obama said in his speech that will be his message going forward...

    "We don’t begrudge financial success in this country.  We admire it.  When Americans talk about folks like me paying my fair share of taxes, it’s not because they envy the rich.  It’s because they understand that when I get tax breaks I don’t need and the country can’t afford, it either adds to the deficit, or somebody else has to make up the difference – like a senior on a fixed income; or a student trying to get through school; or a family trying to make ends meet.  That’s not right.  Americans know it’s not right.  They know that this generation’s success is only possible because past generations felt a responsibility to each other, and to their country’s future, and they know our way of life will only endure if we feel that same sense of shared responsibility.  That’s how we’ll reduce our deficit.  That’s an America built to last."

  12. Ralph Deeds profile image68
    Ralph Deedsposted 4 years ago

    Obama said quite a lot AND gave quite a good campaign speech, in my opinion. One thing he said that I liked was that he's going to step up prosecutions of financial fraud and put the kibosh on the SEC/Justice Department settlements that let multiple offender banks off the hook with big fines but with the boiler plate language "without admitting guilt" and without any individuals being criminally or even civilly prosecuted.

    "WASHINGTON — President Obama called on Congress Tuesday to toughen laws against securities fraud and to strengthen the ability of the Securities and Exchange Commission to punish Wall Street firms that repeatedly violate antifraud statutes.

       "In his State of the Union address, Mr. Obama also said he would ask the attorney general to establish a special financial crimes unit to prosecute cases of large-scale financial fraud....

    "Many of those cases involve financial companies that have violated the same laws many times before.

    A New York Times analysis of S.E.C. enforcement actions over the last 15 years, published in November, found at least 51 cases in which the S.E.C. concluded that Wall Street firms had broken antifraud laws that, as part of settlements of earlier fraud cases, they had pledged never to breach. The 51 cases spanned 19 firms, including nearly all of the biggest financial companies — Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, JPMorgan Chase & Company and Bank of America among them."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/25/busin … ;st=Search

 
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