Is same sex marriage a positive ideology?
Live and let live. I was beginning to think no one thought this way any more.
I love being a Perverse too, just think we would soon be bored Melissa if we had to bash a tambourine, and sit in a circle chanting and quoting bible passages.
Well I think thats what they do, any ways it was on the discovery channel lol So i prefer being a perverse as its much more fun not being told how to live
It will continue in common law anyways, how bad is it to legalize rights to people, meaning all people. Thinking otherwise is prejudice and mean.
I thought I would pop in here and have a look at what has been said, and there are a few good points raised here.
Some one has asked how would us gay people procreate? Marriage is not always about procreation, as procreation has lead to the over population of our planet.
Love is gender blind, and when you truly love some one and want to spend the rest of your life with them, then you should be allowed to marry because marriage is a commitment between two people.
Regardless of gender gay and lesbian partnerships have been proven to last longer than heterosexuals so I don't see why people are making a fuss about it. all we are asking is for a piece of paper to say that we can marry its not like were asking you all to turn gay is it?I don't care who gets married. So long as I'm invited and I get to eat C-A-K-E!!
It's like i'm back in grade-school. "I know you are but what am I?"
Oh, and for some reason, I just thought of this:
Psychological projection or projection bias is a psychological defense mechanism where a person subconsciously denies his or her own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, usually to other people. Thus, projection involves imagining or projecting the belief that others originate those feelings.
I can't imagine why....
Polling trends in 2010 and 2011 show support for same-sex marriage gaining a majority, although the difference is within the error limit of the analysis.[85] On May 20, 2011, Gallup reported majority support for gay marriage by a margin that exceeded the poll's margin of error.[11] In June 2011, two prominent polling organizations released an analysis of the changing trend in public opinion about same-sex marriage in the United States, concluding that "public support for the freedom to marry has increased, at an accelerating rate, with most polls showing that a majority of Americans now support full marriage rights for all Americans."[86]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_m … ted_States
Hardly 98% now is it Start off by remembering that statistically 8 to 10 percent of the population is gay or bi.
Also there are already six states which grant full rights to Gay marriage and three more which grant partial right (marriages can be performed but are still subject to annulment pending decisions.) One would note that none of those states have been consumed in flames nor do I hear of horses eating each other in Iowa.
How is same sex marriage an ideology? A guy and another guy happen to fall in love. They have the right to get married. Laws prevent them from doing so. Because of the injustice, people are fighting for people to be able to practice those rights. Who are people to stand in their way just because their religion is against it? Will keeping homosexuals from getting married "save their souls?" If you believe they are damned... ok. You believe a lot of different types of people are damned.... and yet you don't deny them the right to marry...
And the people who associate homosexuality and pedophilia work my last nerve. Two VERY different ballgames here. One involves a grown well developed individual pursuing a sexual desire for younger, more innocent individuals who still have a lot to learn about themselves and the world around them, even their own sexuality, and are taken advantage of. There is a lot of manipulation when you deal with a well-developed man/woman vs a young, underdeveloped(physically and mentally) child.
The first consists of many different situations, and is way, way more complicated. There are those who believe themselves gay from the beginning. This is hard to argue due to multiple factors. Some choose later on in life that they find the same sex to be more attractive than the opposite for various reasons, though they were perfectly straight in the beginning. But there are no clear cut lines anywhere, and ultimately as consenting adults, they have the right to make those decisions with other consenting adults.
The non-religious people who are against gay marriage baffle me, though I usually understand the nature of their arguments/beliefs on the issue, I suppose... but still...
So do mediocre ones, Matthew.
It's important to remember that broad agreement with an idea doesn't necessarily mean that it's a good idea. Lots of people once wore polyester bell bottoms, for example. I second this proposal and yes, Jeff is the reason.
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Per capita. gay people do not contract HIV easier than straight people. Lesbian rate is lower than straights, gay men is higher than straight people. It's not accurate to say "AIDS is a gay disease . German researchers who used a bone marrow transplant to treat a cancer patient with the AIDS virus, have declared him cured of the virus - Nearly four years after the transplant, the patient is free of the virus
The Greatest danger to Mankind is over population The Good new is gays are becoming more illegal which serves the world best by lowering the over human population of the Earth, including Christian.
Confucius; "Never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself. ....
Or the Christian way
o unto others as they do unto you" or would that contradicted by the "eye for an eye" quote. Gandhi said, "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." I dont know where a gay person poked a Christian’s eye out with a sharp stick or where an Iraqi killed an American on their soil.
God forbid if Christian or Muslim fruitfulness was illegal in 80 countries around the world. That kind of attack from the rear would get someone nuked for sure.
"I don't say mean things about people I don't like, and as proof, look what that other guy said over there! By the way, it also proves that you're unreasonable and unfair."
Breanda's posts sure are entertaining.Don't forget megalomania and persecution complex.
And talking about Poe's Law...
Have you seen the Betty Bowers "Baptists Are Saving Homosexuals" page? Loving it
http://bettybowers.com/bash.htmlI totally forgot about the persecution complex... being for equality for gay people means you hate heterosexuals (you're a 'heterophobe').
I am a BIG fan of Betty Bowers. Christwire is hilarious, too. I'm always amazed reading the comments there that people don't realize it's satire. The articles are over-the-top ridiculous. But, then again, Poe's Law exists for that very reason.- You've reminded me of this bit by comedienne Sommore. She said that she had gotten so addicted to her "toy" that she dreamt she gave birth to copper-topped children, and walking down the street passing neighbors' houses, garage doors would open and close.
Don't forget your Christophobia. Yes, you can apparently be a Christian and a Christophobe (just like the vast majority of heterophobes are heterosexual themselves).
"Just an aside: the rabbi and I share the same diet because I believe in the diet of the bible (no unclean foods)."
Okay, fair enough. Substitute Brahmin and beef then. Same deal.
"Which standard should we use to discuss marriage?"
Easy: Are the participants informed, competent, consenting adults? If so, then it's allowed. If not, then it isn't.
Im sorry but please do not try to justify yourself with the Christians are setting up charities business it dont work with me I am afraid to say. Where were they when we needed them 20/30 yrs ago?
No if you take on the gay lobby with the bible you will accused of being fair, but if like some you twist the bible to attack the gay lobby then you will accused of hate. Jesus can obey god if he wants, but I am not afraid to say that I wont and will take on the christian lobby any day
How dare you! Sinful living indeed, I am sorry but heterosexuality is not above sin look at adam and eve!!! How you can judge I dont know!
One more thing! Heterosexuals murder gay people, and say they are doing christs work, are you saying that is not sinful !!!!you said all sinful living after homosexuality, but what gives you the right to judge? and as far as sin is concerned your religion boasts a class system of sin and one seems to be worse than the other.
Furthermore all you lot have to do is say a few words of repentance and that makes it all okay! Sorry not in my book and furthermore what gives you the right to say homosexuality is a sin, God did not write the bible! Man write the bible and the bible has been rewritten and changed more times than enough so its merely a work of fiction by several authors
Well I dont condone the heterosexual choice of lifestyle as our planet is over run because of your procreating
I agree Greekgeek, most of these religious extremists on this thread have to always liven up their arguments by comparing gays to animals or murderers or paedophiles or even quoting leviticus from the bible. Because they can not live and let live, or love their fellow man as Christ taught.
Plus I also agree that all those millions spent on spreading hate could have been used to do good, so really they only have themselves to blame and have wasted so much money and aided the financial crisis to get worse!
Way to go bigots!!!
"A single person can have children in that way. So can a single person marry themselves."
That's a silly, silly argument. A single person doesn't need to marry himself--he already is himself. He will always be able to visit himself in the hospital: he's there! He will always have access to his own property: it's his! And when he dies, of course he can't inherit his property, 'cos he's dead.
"Don't say that nothing will happen in the restroom as we all know that sexual encounters between gays occurs in these restrooms."
Heterosexual encounters also occur in restrooms. So, what, do we abolish restrooms? There are now "family" restrooms at places like the zoo or the mall, so moms can take their sons into the bathroom (when I was a toddler, I just went with my mom into the ladies') and dads can take their daughters. Have these led to all manner of immoral sexual encounters? Not that I've heard....
"Pizza started out a pizza, then people came along and put stuff on it that it was never intended to have like pineapple. That is not pizza, it is food dish but it is not pizza."
Dude, it's totally pizza."It no more sillier than the argument of gays being able to have children. It uses the same reasoning that was given on gays having children."
No, it really, really doesn't.
"Heterosexual encounters are not invited into separate gender restrooms,"
So, do you claim that no heterosexual encounter has ever occurred, or ever will occur, in a gender segregated public restroom?
You've never heard of the mile-high club?
"Family restrooms are not for strangers."
That's right, they're not. Go to the head of the class, I guess?
"You know nothing about pizza, and I not your dude."
I can make delicious pizza from scratch, dude. Can you?
"Pure homosexuality couldn't sustain a population."
True, but luckily most people aren't gay, so we'll probably always have more people.
"It is only because of bisexuals that homosexuality can continue."
Most gay people have straight parents, dude. 'Cos most people are straight.
"That is a fact "
No, it's a made-up piece of nonsense.
"what compelling arguments do you have for those facts."
Well, the fact that they aren't facts is a pretty compelling argument against them.
Why not? Or is it because your fictional fairytale god told you that we are subhuman and incapable of love and just commit sin everywhere.
Sorry but most of the mass murderers through out history were heterosexual and quite a few did it in Christs name
As for love etc twice as many heterosexual marriages end in divorce, yet very few LGBT relationships have ever ended...
Your trying to get off the hook, you did put labels on us I seen your previous posts and I am pretty sure that Abnormal genetics, and Accident & Nature are also considered labels. Dont try to turn this on me glendoncaba it was your posts that started all this
Mind you god might not approve of football you best check the bible though just incase
Oh, please.
"This sort of thing is quite common in young children"
Indeed. One of my friends in preschool announced that it'd be better to marry a boy, because girls were icky.
I don't know if he ever did get married; we kind of lost touch when we went to different elementary schools.
That's fair. I think the mistake is thinking something written 2000-3000 years ago would be all bad or all good. It's neither. It has some nuggets of wisdom, and some things that have not withstood the test of time and are downright detestable by today's standards. If nothing else, those are a salient reminder of how far we've come.
Yes, only Samaritans and Karaites (two very minor non-rabbinical Jewish sects) do, and they number maybe 50,000 worldwide in total. Most people have never heard of them. Well, in a sense, I agree with you. You have to be consistent. Some Christians (and a few Jews, as I mentioned before) are convinced that all laws must be followed; I don't know how it weighs on the conscience of those that do considering it's near impossible to do so. The problem is those that pretend the laws apply to everyone else's sins except their own; these hypocrites outnumber the fundamentalists about a million to one.
That said, Melissa's (Unitarian Universalism) and mine (Judaism) have mechanisms to redefine our collective ethics; they were not set in stone with the Bible, but continue to evolve. There are clearly other religions/sects that also have explicit mechanisms for evolution.
No one really likes the latter. Some pretend they do, but that's only because they sadistically imagine everyone else is going to get it. If you drool at the thought of others getting punished, you're not a good person to begin with, and are probably a target of any angry holy smiting yourself.
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