Over the last couple of days a lot of media attention has gone towards a conspiracy theory involving Ron Paul and Mitt Romney banding together. They seem to be pushing it pretty hard which in my mind means that they are trying to paint Ron Paul as a sell-out. What are your thoughts?
"David Koch did run as the vice president candidate of the Libertarians in the 1980's."
There's the connection!
Kochs funding Romney.....and they are Libertarians....with lots o money. Dare NOT defy them! IMO
The Kochs don't support Paul.
http://www.dailypaul.com/185895/who-are … rting-cain
Rand Paul wants them in jail
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/09/23 … o-to-jail/
A comment from that article:
"Let's see...on the one hand AynRand Paul says, " If you dump benzene in the stream, I want you to go to jail.” He then continues by noting, "All the new pollution rules are causing the loss of jobs." OK. Sorry to disillusion anyone who thinks that he said something pro-environmental. Just like his old man with legalizing pot, he's trawling for progressive votes. His a dominionist first and a Koch-supporter second."
So which is it?
Can you police the corporations who are killing children, or do you let them kill freely?
And here is the BIG thing these poison-killers always win under: IF. IF they are polluting...you have to prove it, and they will do anything to prove they are not.
Just read A Civil Action. It's a true story.
The Ron Paul part of Ron Paul says "Pollution is an infringement of property rights. Even carbon dioxide shouldn't be pumped into the air en masse".
So, now that we know what he really says, those other Ron Paul's aren't important.
How much longer will you force me to correct your lack of research?
BTW: Obama signed NDAA.
I think they are. Romney can't win without help. When Paul goes public in his support of Romney, His devout followers will see that he was only in it to get a position in the next administration. This will all fail because Conservatives in enough numbers will not support another Progressive RepubliCRAT in Romney.
Pretty nonsense. Never believe anything unless the mainstream media is completely ignoring it. The fact that they're hyping this up is telling. Ron Paul's ideology is a million miles away from Romney's. Just because they seem to get along better than the other candidates doesn't mean they are an alliance.
No, this is just a media hype to try to claim that Ron Paul can't win, but do so in a secret way.
Paul and Romney are the only two with a chance of beating Obama nationally.
I refuse to sell out principles just to beat Obama. The RepubliCRATS already tried that in 2008. Only a strong Conservative can win. Recent history proves that. Those who chose to ignore history, are doomed to repeat it.
Conservatism USED to mean what Ron Paul advocates.
If you refuse to sell-out an already-sold-out Conservatism, then you're just going to elect a shill.
Gingrich can't beat Obama, just ask the independents. Neither can Santorum.
But if you ask the Democrats, many of them will actually refuse to vote for Obama and instead vote for Ron Paul
"We do try to cooperate with him and I don't see anything wrong with that" -- Ron Paul on his relationship w/Romney http://youtu.be/fpSdRWGoR5k
What about the NDAA?? Romney supports it.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ron … FORM=VIRE7
Here's my feeling on the NDAA:
"The National Defense Authorization Act which covers Belligerents acts,....
Can it be used against the KOCH BROS?
Because they certainly are belligerent in my view.
How to use bad laws and make them work for you . This could work.;_)"
and that editor who suggested Mossad assasinate Obama....
....lots of enemies within in America.
I wouldn't give much credence to MSNBC's not so clever editing. Paul's comments are taken completely out of context, most of which come from politeness and sticking by his principles (basically that it is unfair to criticise someone for firing people in the free market. If someone is not providing you the service you're paying for you fire them, no matter what the circumstance is.). Otherwise, Paul has been consistently critical of Romney on pretty much all of his policies.
HOW IN THE HELL ARE YOU MAD AT ROMNEY FOR SUPPORTING THE NDAA WHEN OBAMA SIGNED IT INTO LAW?!?!!?!!?!
You have lost ALL credibility here, LMC.
Every last ounce of it.
I'm not mad at Romney for that: he's a corporate shill, that's why I'm mad at him...
But Ron Paul is mad at Obama for the NDAA....so how can he not be mad at Mitt? How can he call Santorum a fake, and not Romney?
Kissy kissy...the politicians dance.
Here you go.
Stop talking about this supposed alliance. It's clear it isn't true:
Yeah, that's right: LotR reference. Ron Paul is the elf.
Really Ron Paul??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ik5rv59 … M73A0ZjYjQ
Right...critical of his policies, but he makes an add calling Santorum a fake?
Who's faker than Romney? No one.
Oh, except Ron Paul now.
I'm not really sure what point you are trying to make. Have you not seen the 'Three of a kind' ad?
No, I haven't. But I'll google it now.
OK...well, if he feels that way, why place nice? And btw....that was a Saint Paul add if I ever saw one. "the only one who can save America"....wow.
And finally they admitted he is pro-life. Anti-choice. Anti-freedom for women.
LMC - Obama hasn't come out with a Romney-attack ad... THEY'RE THE SAME PERSON!!!!
IN fact, Obama hasn't even launched an attack ad against Ron Paul!!! THAT MEANS THAT OBAMA IS IN AN ALLIANCE WITH RON PAUL!!!
In fact, Obama hasn't said that he hates martians!! THAT MEANS OBAMA IS SECRETLY A MARTIAN!!!
MARTIANS HATE ABORTIONS!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
RUN FROM OBAMA!!! HE'S A SECRET-ROMNEY ABORTION-HATING MARTIAN WHO IS IN CAHOOTS WITH RON PAUL!!!
This conclusion has been brought to you by the same faulty logic that you used.
I heard that Ron Paul is also against murdering people.
Man, what a fake! He's against MY RIGHT to MURDER people.
Go* da*n do I hate faulty logic!
He's against my right to run my own life...that is hardly in line with liberty.
You're saying abortion is murder?
I see why you support Ron Paul: Dominionist, like Palin, et al.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8Xp5Y_C … re=related
Uh huh....and abortion is murder and Obama signed NDAA...what's the matter? Only your truth allowed?
Innersmiff: LMC can't understand things that aren't being hocked to her by the media.
LMC - you're really proving you're a pawn of the media.
You know...something very strange...even the alternative media never calls Paul on that.
It's as if his strict control on women attitude doesn't exist. Even from those on the alternet.
Obama is the ONLY candidate who cares about me!
He's playing nice because he's a nice guy. I can't say I agree with him on that. I think he needs to get angrier, but I'm not as nice as him, and it might risk his already tenuous relationship with the Republican party. Only natural.
Just out of interest, are you in favour of legalising all drugs?
Yes, I am in favor of legalizing drugs, auditing the Fed, and keeping out of "wars".
Foreign aid? Not if you're cutting a DIME from Americans.
But freedom for business to do as it pleases, laizze-faire? No way.
Slashing the gvt to bare bones? No.
And sacrificing my daughter's privacy to satisfy another person's view on life? No way in heck.
Then I would guess you are in real trouble, if you truly believe that Obama is your only option!
"they admitted he is pro-life. Anti-choice. Anti-freedom for women."
Being pro life does not mean Paul is anti women, just that he is pro life, the two things are not synonymous, and not ALL women think the same, with sound reasoning to support them.
"As an OB/GYN who delivered over 4,000 babies, Ron Paul knows firsthand how precious, fragile, and in need of protection life is.
Dr. Paul’s experience in science and medicine only reinforced his belief that life begins at conception, and he believes it would be inconsistent for him to champion personal liberty and a free society if he didn’t also advocate respecting the God-given right to life—for those born and unborn."
What Americans should be seeking is a man of principal, his objectives on abortion would in all probability never be achieved, however he seems to be the ONLY candidate who will actually turn America away from the fate it faces if America continues with corrupt New World Order puppets who jump to the bankers commands.
Here's my principle:
Leave my uterus out of the hands of the state!
And I think you are fooling yourself. He is the same as all of them...remember when that woman's face was smashed to the curb by one of his supporters because she dared to question him? That's who they are behind the nice guy image. IMO
Ahhhhhhh! Just like Romney! No WONDER they are allied!
LMC: your uterus is already in the hands of the state. It's just that they're agreeing with what you REALLY want.
You claim to want your body out of politics, but Roe v. Wade proves it is the government's job to decide what you can and can not do.
You REALLY just want abortions legal, otherwise you would recognize this fact.
Roe v Wade was about the 4th amendment...a woman's right to privacy. The courts decided that she does, in fact, have that right. YOU freedom-loving people would like the State to invade that privacy to suit your personal religious views.
I'm against money. You have no right to it: see?
http://careandwashingofthebrain.blogspo … happy.html
just came across this...but I have to go: maybe you know of him? It's new to me....and looks vewwwy intewwesting!
"The obscure hero of Libertarianism: Bernard de Mandeville"
Your entire post is nonsense.
You said you are against the government legislating abortion.
Then you say that you support it.
Flip Flop Flip Flop Flip Flop Flip Flop.
Cognitive dissonance is not an issue for liberals.
"You said you are against the government legislating abortion."
Gosh, I thought I said gvt has no business being involved in abortion at all.
SC agrees, and gives us women the right to keep gvt off our uterus.
YOU, however, seem to think gvt is to be hands off everything BUT my body.
I don't know if he is consciously being Romney's wing man, but the result just the same is he is benefiting the Romney campaign.
True Dat! And I think he has an ulterior motive....he's a political operative for a long time....don't trust him!
I don't know, I kind of like the guy , compared to the other sleazeball republicans he's not that bad , although I would never vote for him or recommend anybody did.if he does have any kind of deal it's probably to benefit his son Rand Paul who is really a right wing loon.
LMC shouldn't trust Obama:
He signed the NDAA AND he supports government legislating on abortion.
The cognitive dissonance in LMC's head makes this sound: Flip Flop Flip Flop.
I REALLY don't see how "attacking an opponent" can be seen as "helping Romney"
You guys really are the media's lapdogs, aren't you.
"Rick Santorum has directly accused Paul and Romney of working together, noting “their commercials look a lot alike, and so do their attacks.” A review by ThinkProgress of the 20 GOP debates suggests Santorum might be onto something.
While Paul has freely attacked Romney’s top rivals, he has never once attacked Romney:
This is particularly striking given that Paul and Romney do not agree on virtually any policy positions.
Paul has gone beyond merely refraining from attacks. He has actively defended Romney on some of his biggest vulnerabilities. For example, when Rick Perry attacked Romney for “Romneycare” during an October 18 debate, Paul interjected:
First off, you know, the governor of Texas criticized the governor of Massachusetts for “Romneycare,” but he wrote a really fancy letter supporting “Hillarycare.” So we probably ought to ask him about that.
Paul has also run advertisements attacking Romney’s key rivals at critical times. He ran hundreds of thousands of dollars in brutally negative ads attacking Gingrich in Iowa. Paul now is using his scarce funds on a television ad attacking Rick Santorum in Michigan, a key state where Paul is a non-factor.
Paul is effectively acting as Romney’s on-stage surrogate during the debates. The key question is: what is Paul getting out of it?"
Interesting! Where there's smoke, there's fire.
Seems habee might just be right....
That's funny, seeing as you can't see the dance they're doing right in front of your eyes!
Paul and Romney sitting in a tree....discussing the prospects of his VP.
Ho ho hey hey..that NDAA is now OK!
These are just two puppets on a string who are controlled by the same puppet master. The Republican party and Democrat Party are the right and left arms of the same beast.
Rush Limbaugh, Michael Medved, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, Keith Oberman, Rachel Meadows, and Bill Maher, just to name a few, are all talking heads who are paid big bucks to keep the illusion of the struggle between the Hatfields and McCoys alive.
Instead of watching the two arms in action, each demostrating slight of hand techniques to captivate and hypnotize their respective constituents, look beyond the arms to the beast who controls them and your eyes will be opened.
We do not live in a democratic republic...we live under the illusion that we live in a democratic republic. There is that which is real and then there is that which is imagined. The American public suffers from the later. You wonder why the status quo in Washington D.C. never changes? Well, now you know.
What's real to me is this:
When republicans are in charge, reproductive rights are demolished, cost of living is raised on the poor and middle class, rich people are given tax breaks which make it so.
War is always used as a rallying cry for patriotism, or racism or homophobia.
We are told that we are dirt if we can't be rich like them, and they owe no allegiance to this country, where their wealth was accrued.
Steel hands around my neck is how I feel when republicans are in charge, and the fear of making all the world our enemy.
I don't feel that way when it's democrats.
Money is the illusion, and those who use it for power have the control.
The soft approach of the Democrats on social issues is just an illusion. These people are in league together and are in bed together. It's nothing more than the "good cop, bad cop" ploy.
When the beast steps with its right leg all the Republicans cheer and when it steps with its left leg all the Democrats shout for joy. What they are both missing is that the beast is using both its right and left legs to move itself about - and it is heading the U.S.A. straight to for the gates of Hell and it will take anyone else down with it who is foolish enough to follow.
Please don't think for one second those wealthy democrats don't like those rich Republican tax breaks - they all do. Just think of it as "good cop, bad cop" and you are well on your way to understanding the politics that goes on behind closed doors. It's all just an elaborate choreography and each party has its players, its script, and its roles. The audience is the American public and they are none the wiser.
Well, that resonates with me...good imagery!
And I have read enought to know that it's all the same club....BUT: my feeling is now that there are some inside it who are sick of this whole thing. Sick of the wars and the cruelty and the people dying for nothing.
I think that a revolt is happening within that club, and it includes all of it...military especially.
You can call it good guys vs bad...."aliens" vs human....it's an ancient ancient war.
And remember the good book says: I will put enmity between you.
Can't both have power....one has to go. And--it's the bad that is going this time, IMHO.
I'm shocked that so many people on HubPages actually think that Ron Paul and Mitt Romney could be working together.
They disagree on almost everything.
You guys can't wrap your heads around the simple fact that this is another media trick to make Ron Paul unelectable?
By making it sound like Ron Paul wants to suck up to Mitt Romney --- of course it could NEVER be the other way around --- Ron Paul looks like he doesn't have confidence or the ability to win.
This is Wrong.
The attempt to make it look like there's an alliance also undermines Paul's claim to be consistent: "But, if he's so consistent, then why is he teaming up with Romney?!"
Paul has been scoring the highest in electability in national polls, beating Romney. And he can beat Obama.
Shut up about this stupid, obviously fake "alliance" between Romney and Paul. It isn't true, and you're all being fooled by your media masters.
RON PAUL IN CAHOOTS WITH ROMNEY?!?!?!
BS DETECTED!! BS DETECTED!! BS DETECTED!!
ACTIVE BS PROTECTION!!!
Here's Ron Paul taking on the entire Republican Party (Romney included):
Ron Paul attacking the false fiscal conservatism of his rivals (Romney Included):
Ron Paul talking about Romney:
Ron Paul pwning Romney:
A montage of Romney destruction:
ROMNEY PWN ACTIVATE:
[b]BS ERADICATION SHUTTING DOWN[b]
Can we please shut up?
I'm sick of doing the media's job for them.
This is NOTHING more than an attempt to make Ron Paul seem unelectable and unprincipled.
It's a lie.
Here's my take on the Mitt-Ron supposed alliance. RP knows he's not going to win, but he wants a voice. He doesn't need to take down Romney - he needs to be #2, so he's aiming at whoever is in the #2 spot. Right now, that's Santorum.
Good analysis...so, he's a politician like all the rest...and will ignore a principle to advance his career.
And, if Romney wins, he will somehow make the NDAA tolerable, even though he castigates Obama for it.
Holy Cow!! Look what I just read!:
I just hope Conservatives aren't as disappointed with a Romney-Paul administration as Liberals have been with Obama-Biden.
I'd love for you to be right about the above but I am not optimistic.
Yeaow! Maybe THAT's the goal! VP!
Keep trollin' trollin' trollin'
Ron Paul disagrees openly with Mitt Romney
Ron Paul pwning Romney:
A montage of Romney destruction:
ROMNEY PWN ACTIVATE:
Obama raised the debt by some 4 trillion dollars.
Ron paul is beating obama in national polls.
He CAN will
Here's that Mandeville, btw...learned something new.
"Although Mandeville's name has been all but erased from contemporary mainstream economical discourse, many free-market thinkers lavish glowing praise on his insights.
Friedrich von Hayek extolled Mandeville as a "mastermind" and "great psychologist" whose theories anticipated those of David Hume, Adam Smith, and Charles Darwin, and praised his poem The Fable of the Bees as a "remarkable" work.
According to Hayek, Mandeville's ideas "returned to economic theory" through the work of Carl Menger, the founder of the Austrian School by way of 19th-century German historian Friedrich von Savigny.
Ludwig von Mises also paid tribute to Mandeville in his Theory and History, observing that
"He [Mandeville] pointed out that self-interest and the desire for material well-being, commonly stigmatized as vices, are in fact the incentives whose operation makes for welfare, prosperity, and civilization."
In his writings, Mandeville argues that liberty represents man's uninhibited pursuit of his basest material and carnal instincts. Rather than being evil, selfishness and licentiousness lead to prosperity.
According to Mandeville, "Evil is the grand principle that makes us social creatures, the solid basis, the life and support of all trade and employment without exception".
Influenced by Mandeville, Adam Smith came to the conclusion that self-interest is the pillar of a prosperous society. Hayek and Mises went even further. They railed against altruism and solidarity as hindrances to a society's economic success.
Mandeville also claimed that a nation's wealth was predicated on the maintenance of an underclass of poorly educated laborers.
Following in Mandeville's hoof steps, Mises emphasized that "men are born unequal and that it is precisely their inequality that generates social cooperation and civilization."
Hmph...all they had to do was watch Wall Street.
"Greed is Good."
Libertarianism is part of the Illuminati Dialectic with Communism:
"Essentially, two seemingly opposed forces advance the same goal: a world police state governed by an oligarchy of billionaire Satanists."
"The Libertarian movement is a front for Synarchy, and Ron Paul appears to be its major prophet. Masonic authors, Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince define “Synarchy” as a theocracy ruled by secret societies."
sounds about right to me.
This is an 8 Hubbers discussion with 68 comments. Lively at least with an average of 8.5 comments per commenter (more than that, if you eliminate the Hubbers with just 1-2 comments) and having read them all, I am not sure whether Ron Paul will throw his support to Romney at convention time, run as an independent, or release his delegates. Let's have a prognostication from each main commenter and anyone else who has some insight.
Of course he will throw his support to Romney...in fact, the idea of them on a ticket together is very beneficial for both of them.
Then they can pretend to be for the people while giving America away to secret religions and money men.
That is my personal opinion.
Ron Paul will not support Romney.
If anything, we should be asking if - IF - he does not get the nomination, will he run third party.
I hope he would.
Wow...you understand nothing.
Just because I don't fawn on your guy....don't have a spaz attack.
Obama signed the DNAA--you crucify him.
Paul is cozying up to Romney, who supports the DNAA....and you give him a Repub pass.
Obama is the ONLY candidate running who wants the gvt out of my uterus.
Too bad that your guy's idea of liberty doesn't extend to women.
Sooner or later people will wake up to that fact: as the whole world has been giving him a pass on it!
"Obama signed the DNAA--you crucify him."
Damn right I do. The NDAA is tyranny plain and simple. It's disgusting you still support your tyrant.
Even our military is giving up on him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yewKCcF … e=youtu.be
"Paul is cozying up to Romney, who supports the DNAA"
No. He's not. Quit lying. Paul openly disagrees with Romney. You obviously haven't watched any of the videos I've posted. SO, just keep trollin' trollin' trollin'.
"Obama is the ONLY candidate running who wants the gvt out of my uterus."
And, this is your third strike. Obama fully supports Roe V. Wade, which is a federal government decision regarding your uterus. The current stance is "Killing babies in the womb is OK", but that could easily change. RvW is a government intrusion in your uterus, and Ron Paul wants the federal government out.
"Too bad that your guy's idea of liberty doesn't extend to women."
The right to murder extends to no one.
Not only did you strike out, but the person up to bat after you already has a strike.
I googled that "personhood amendment" you mentioned and I will say this: much as I disagree with most of your views, if I were a woman in America I'd find the PA bloody scary.
In fact if I were a scientist doing stem cell research or a parent of teenage children, I'd also find it bloody scary.
There seems to be a large Taliban-esque element in your country. They don't follow the same religion as the Taliban, but they have essentially the same world view.
btw--Howard Stern coined the phrase American Taliban back during the Bush administration...
he didn't last long under the Powell FCC.
"Regulate BANKS, not v*gin*s"
This is gvt, Repub style:
"Alabama has taken up a version of the VA bill that would have required a transvaginal ultrasound before an abortion:" http://ow.ly/9kmx6
"The testimony not allowed at Issa's birth control "sausage fest" hearing." http://mojo.ly/z9IBP5
"Utah House Republicans pass bill to "prohibit instruction in the use of contraception" in sex ed classes" http://thkpr.gs/x4NTh8 #icymi
"Please stay out of our v*gin*s and love life and we won't touch your gun lockers"
Read The Handmaids Tale.
"Set in the near future, in a totalitarian theocracy which has overthrown the United States government, The Handmaid's Tale explores themes of women in subjugation and the various means by which they gain agency."
IF Romney gets the nomination, perhaps he'll choose Rand as his VP? The UAW in MI is urging its Deomcratic members to vote for Santorum in the primary. That will be hard for Mitt to overcome.
"The chairman of the Alabama Senate Health Committee said he doesn’t see a conflict of interest between his support for a bill that would require physicians to perform ultrasounds on women seeking abortions and his company, which sells the type of equipment the bill would require."
http://timesdaily.com/stories/Ultrasoun … ons,187883
"Physicians who don’t perform the required ultrasound could be convicted of a Class C felony, which is punishable with between two and 20 years in prison. The bill also says the doctor could be sued by the unborn child’s father or grandparents."
Ron Paul and Mitt Romney are the only two Republican candidates who are able to defeat Obama in national polls.
http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/ … ationally/
The difference between them?
Can't even fill a room.
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/ … rtable.php
Standing room only.
http://www.dailypaul.com/216866/short-v … aul-at-msu
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