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  1. habee profile image90
    habeeposted 4 years ago

    Obama beat McCain by 7 points in 2008, and the liberal anchors referred to that as a "decisive victory." I agree. Some libs even called it a landslide. Walker wins by 8 points, and the talking heads on MSNBC called it a "squeaker" and a "narrow win." Lawrence O'Donnell said Walker "barely stayed alive." What's the difference?

    1. Josak profile image60
      Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      The difference is this is a recall election rather than a standard election, it is generally accepted that it will be much easier for an incumbent on a recall election first because of the voter reaction to recall elections but also because there are many financial benefits for an incumbent in a recall. For example The Republicans outspent the Dems 3 to 1 in this election, a big part of that was that under the laws of a recall election the incumbent does not have a donation maximum while the dems could not receive donations over $10 000. Therefore what might be considered comfortable in a regular election is definitely close in a recall election.

      1. Bob Zermop profile image90
        Bob Zermopposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Nicely said. +

      2. habee profile image90
        habeeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I read that about the contributions, too. I don't think that's fair. I agree that the Dem had an uphill battle. Still, I'd call it a decisive win. You compare this to the 2008 election. Didn't Obama outspend McCain by more than 3-1? McCain had an uphill battle, too, because of Bush fatigue. I'm not a Walker fan, by the way. I just thought the despriptions of the contest were "interesting."

        1. American View profile image60
          American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I just read a report that shows the actual spending is one to one and half. In other words for every $1.00 the Democrats spent the Republicans spent $1.50. I think that will be more in line with what the actual spending will be. It will be some time before we know all the facts, the unions have not released any information yet.

      3. Smireles profile image84
        Smirelesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Governor Walker was the first governor ever to win a recall election. The comment that Josak made "it is generally accepted that it will be much easier for an incumbent on a recall election first because of the voter reaction to recall elections but " is something that was learned through polling in this election cycle. I am amazed at the voter reaction after what I can only call brawling and rioting in the state capitol by those protesting Governor Walker's policies. At any rate it is clear that the voters in Wisconsin have a sense of fairness that we would all be wise to emulate.

    2. paintphd profile image59
      paintphdposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Those are the same mathmaticians in the Obama White house who's figures are able to achieve a trillion dollar decrease in the national debt Obama claims to have accomplished during his reign, as well as having the slowest growth of federal spending since Reagan, or was it Eisenhower? hmm

    3. Cagsil profile image59
      Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      It's simple really Habee, it just points out the stupidity in motion between both sides of media and of each political party.

      I don't see how anything less than 10 points to be decisive. If it isn't double digit gain, then it would be considered a squeaker. If it was done by higher double digits, such as 15 points or 20 points, would be a landslide.

      The example you provided just shows what it shows. They are a bunch of talking a$$e$. hmm

      1. profile image60
        jwburneyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        some of it is definitely bias but if I remember correctly the last election with Obama and McCain went pretty quick compared to Bush and Gore which stretched out for a while. I believe that they are more than likely talking about  the amount of time the election stretched on for and the popularity of the candidates through out the process versus the actual numbers. Also keep in mind that Presidential Races are usually extremely close in comparison with other elections. Im not really a fan of MSNBC and Fox because they tend to be extremely biased but I feel like this is fair enough.

        1. Cagsil profile image59
          Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          So what. And your point?
          Again, I'm not sure what this has to do with anything.
          Like it matters, the election process isn't and doesn't display citizens power. It hasn't for a very long time, if ever.
          I don't watch any news station because of the power and wealth bias behind all of them.

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            jwburneyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            We are talking about two different sizes of Elections. Presidential Elections are usually a close race compared to a race such as this recall election. Obviously 7 points in races that ended quickly before McCain jumped out is not the same as a recall election in which someone wins by 8. one has more people voting in it than the other.

    4. profile image0
      Sooner28posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      The difference is partially that it's a recall, which will ALWAYS have lower turnout, and partially that seeing your side lose an election is hard to face. 

      Both sides are guilty of this.

  2. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 4 years ago

    I dunno, Habee.
    7 points seems pretty decisive to me.

    There's gotta be some formula here that calculates the 3:1 spending differential and its effect on point spread.
    Where are the bookies of Hub Pages?
    lol

    1. Teddletonmr profile image82
      Teddletonmrposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Political spin or just business as usual. Fox reported 69 % of the voters did not think the recall was justified. After all that has been said, Walker has committed no crime or misdeed. Interesting, yes?.

    2. carol3san profile image61
      carol3sanposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Just goes to show you that it is not that easy to beat an incumbent in a recall election.  The Governover had a lot of advantages because he was able to advertise for 6 months while the Dems didn't even have an official canidate yet...plus, thanks to citizens united, he had more money than the dems would ever be able to match.

      1. American View profile image60
        American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Bogus excuses, when there was no candidate the recall signature list was over 900,000 signatures, yet Barret only got 1,162,785 votes. Where was the advantage? Walker was losing 900,000 to zero on day one.

  3. profile image70
    logic,commonsenseposted 4 years ago

    How about, he won because the majority of the voters liked what he did and the results thereof?  Lots of positive things came out of what he and the Repubs legislated.  Several states could take heed and act accordingly if they wish to keep from bankruptcy.

    1. lovemychris profile image79
      lovemychrisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Oh, they will.

      The end of unions.

      Like Ross Perot said in 1992: when they (third world workers) make $6.00 an hr, and workers here make $6.00 and hour, then it will even out, and business will come back.

      Welcome to $6.00 and hr, and be grateful for it.

      and BTW---don't a majority of Americans want the wealthy to pay more taxes? Walker gave them a tax cut.

      and teachers are making up for that loss of revenue by getting less. You might call that positive...I call it a swindle.

      1. Marquis profile image60
        Marquisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Chris, unions were good in their day. Unions are not needed anymore. Unions are just an arm for Democrats. Unions are filled with nothing but Communists and Socialists.

        I remember when I was in a union. They did nothing but take money.

        Labor Day is nothing more than a celebration for atheists Socialists and Communists.

  4. lovemychris profile image79
    lovemychrisposted 4 years ago

    A Dem senator was on tv saying "people think he balanced the budget....he didn't"

    looking forward to seeing what she meant by that.

    1. American View profile image60
      American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      She was just spouting Dems talking points

      1. lovemychris profile image79
        lovemychrisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I don't think so. I think Walker's a crook. I think he "cooked the books".

        And I think that will be proven shortly. And I think most Republicans won't care.

        1. American View profile image60
          American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          "I don't think so. I think Walker's a crook. I think he "cooked the books"."

          Like I said, talking points. Those she says I think he's a crook, I think he cooked the books. LMC, you are entitled to what you think but when you come out here and tell everybody what you think and try to pass it off as fact and when you get called by you get pissed off. You think he is a crook, proved, show us why he's a crook, use numbers and facts.

          I could tell everybody I think I am a millionaire, but that doesn't make it so.

          1. lovemychris profile image79
            lovemychrisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Never did I pass it off as fact. I said I think. I think. I think.

            I have the right to think. And I'm not trying to pass it off as fact.
            Lay off, will you?

  5. PrettyPanther profile image84
    PrettyPantherposted 4 years ago

    I understand the argument that they are using to call it a "squeaker," but I agree with you, habee, that it was a decisive victory for the Walker camp.

    Money wins.

    1. habee profile image90
      habeeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Money is a big part, just as it was in the 2008 election.

  6. SparklingJewel profile image66
    SparklingJewelposted 4 years ago

    every scenario is spin...truth is what matters...and the sides oppose each other's definition of truth

    Our country really needs to have the discussions...what does the Constitution really say?  What does a free market really mean, how does it play out? What is the natural law of supply and demand, what does that mean?

    here's another one from Florida...is it illegal for non-citizens to vote?

    1. Smireles profile image84
      Smirelesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      If we cannot answer the question...Is it illegal for non-citizens to vote? I have to say that our country is doomed. We have rationalized ourselves right out of a country. Common sense has failed us and much of that an be laid right at the door of money grubbing politicians, unions and teachers who teach more propaganda and less fact. Anyone who believes that illegal aliens have as much right as citizens in this country have no common sense whatsoever. Sorry to be so blunt.

  7. lovemychris profile image79
    lovemychrisposted 4 years ago

    How about this: Is it Constitutional to prevent citizens from voting?

    1. carol3san profile image61
      carol3sanposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      No way!  And the dirty tricks are happening right now by the republicans.

      1. paintphd profile image59
        paintphdposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Yes it is shameful, a criminal offence, an outrage even.. that those tricky Repubs would insist that only legal U.S. citizens with photo i.d.s should be able to vote. Why the next trick those tricksters will try will be to have us show a picture i.d to buy a beer. Now that will be the ultimate trick, even a blatent conspiracy aimed at the poor, elderly and minorities....rascally varmits, every one of um.

        1. lovemychris profile image79
          lovemychrisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          You have no idea what Rick Scott is doing, do you?

          He is working against the Constitution...I don't Know WHO he's working for, but it's not the people of America.

          Too bad we have such a limp media...maybe one of them would bother to find out.

          1. Marquis profile image60
            Marquisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Actually, you have no idea what you are saying. And too bad for those little Socialists and Communists trying to recall him.

            This is proof that the Left is a major fail. See, the Left are nothing more than massive greedy people who do not practice what they preach.

            They talk about greed and corporations while they try to bleed corporations dry and over-tax them via the federal secular government.

      2. American View profile image60
        American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        LMC,

        Your question is is it constitutional to present a citizen from voting, how about this is it constitutional or should I say is there a constitutional amendment that says it is your right to vote. If you say yes show me exactly where in the constitution it says" citizens have the right to vote"

        I can save you trouble it doesn't, it does imply that we will vote when it discusses how a president, a congressman, any Senator get their jobs, but it never actually says it's your right.

        I personally do not think it your right, I figure it's your honor to vote. But then again that's just my opinion

    2. Teddletonmr profile image82
      Teddletonmrposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Should Legal citizens be allowed to vote yes, a better question, should they first pass a test.
      Do they live where they say they do?
      Are they who they say they are?
      Are they a real citizen that has not renounced their citizenship or a convicted criminal who has forfeted their right to vote?
      habee I hope you do not mind me  asking.

      1. habee profile image90
        habeeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Not at all, Mike!

      2. lovemychris profile image79
        lovemychrisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        So bring a bill with your name and address on it. All I have to do to vote is fill out a census form.

        Requiring a picture ID takes time and takes papers that many do not have...for instance....do you have your birth certificate? A lot of people do not keep that thing for decades. What if it burnt in a fire, was destroyed in a disaster...whatEVER.

        WHY make it harder to vote? My town requires you fill out a census..that's it. And if you somehow forget, or blow it off...you need to bring a bill--like electric or phone, that has your name and address showing...presto.

        My town doesn't treat Americans with suspicion, acting like they are some sort of criminals.

        Outta here R's. We know what you're doing! Trying to prevent Democrats from voting. Pa-thetic. IMO

        1. handymanbill profile image64
          handymanbillposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Whats wrong with a picture I.D. Everybody should have one or if not then they have plenty of time to get one. if you are here legally then get one. If you are not then you don't have it. So come here to this country the way you should. Anybody could forge a Bill.Any Illegal could have a electric bill or water bill. What type of I.D. is that. Heck I could fake one of those in a few minutes.

          1. Uninvited Writer profile image83
            Uninvited Writerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            We accept that in Canada and we don't have a big problem with the wrong people voting. There are laws and if you are found to have voted illegally you will face the full brunt of that law. That seems to work. Everyone also gets mailed a card telling them where to vote which is collected at that time. Maybe that would solve the problem in the US.

            I sincerely doubt illegal aliens voting is a huge problem anywhere.

            1. paintphd profile image59
              paintphdposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Canada doesn't have the problems of organized Union knuckle crackers piling into precincts with bus loads of voters, some of them from other states, falsly registered to vote in those districts. Then we have other operatives  who organize scores of Union Hacks to fill out registration forms on dead people, soldiers in Afghanistan, Nun's in Rectories, Monks, convicts etc.etc. all well documented cases. A.C.O.R.N. was under direct control of the Dem's fraudulent abuse of the Democratic process. The worst offenders usually are given probation or relocated to Obama's cabinet when caught, as was the case when A.C.O.R.N. was exposed and susequintly disbanded, but the elected official is able to retain their seat. Good for Canada's lack of corruption...it's not applicable here.

              1. lovemychris profile image79
                lovemychrisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Want some ice for that kool-aide?

                1. paintphd profile image59
                  paintphdposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  I think you've already drank it all.

                  1. lovemychris profile image79
                    lovemychrisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    No, I don't like the magenta stuff.. I like blue.

                2. American View profile image60
                  American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  No ice left LMC, you used it all

          2. American View profile image60
            American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            "Requiring a picture ID takes time and takes papers that many do not have"

            So I'm curious LMC, do you have a bank account, your car, do you rent, do you own a home, do you write checks at a store to pay for items, are you applying for a new job, are you applying for welfare, are you applying for food stamps, are you applying for section 8 or any other housing assistance program, are you looking for help from the government to pay some bills,   these are just a few of many every day functions that people need photo IDs for.As you can see from some of the things I listed here it is actually more important for poor people to have photo ID to cash their checks, to get welfare, get housing, get food stamps. So it seems they are ready have I day, so what's the problem

            1. paintphd profile image59
              paintphdposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              As you may have heard...Michelle Obama is on a whirlwind tour touting her cookbook that includes a recipe for BaracKoli, how cute. Anyway..Its also a campaign tour, nice when you can stump for your hubby and make a few million while your touring on the working class dime you so boldly proclaim your giving 'Hope and Change' to. But in order to gain access to her book signings you have to present a picture I.D. and a Social Security #. I think she is, to put it in the words of the left, "Disenfranchising those who does'nt have the means of producing a picture I.D." also, the National Democratic Committee Conference which ran the 3rd-6th of June, required you to present no less than that dreaded picture I.D. and S.S.# to be admitted. I know somehow the Republicans were behind "Disenfranchising" to poor, the minorities, and the elderly from being able to participate in thier own parties conference.

              1. American View profile image60
                American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Paint, 

                Not to mention that her campaigning and her self-promotion to sell her books and make a profit is being done on the taxpayers dime. Don't we all wish we could do that to?

                I wonder if she will try to write off her travel expenses on our tax return?

                1. paintphd profile image59
                  paintphdposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  AV they have no shame it seems. The hypocracy is nauseating with this administration, pitting income brackets, races, religions, againt one another while amassing wealth beyond measure and smoozing with the Hollywood elite on a campaign that has ran longer than any former incumbent in history....they've got to go in Nov. It has become a matter of national security that their reign of destruction to the American system has caused.

                2. lovemychris profile image79
                  lovemychrisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  OH, I see you and phd passing off your opinions as fact! Why I'll be. Guess there are 2 sets of standards around here.....

                  1. American View profile image60
                    American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    LMC,

                    What opinion? It is a fact. Michelle Obama is out campaigning and is also going on TV and attending book signings almost everyday. How do you think she is getting to these events? By plane and motorcade your tax dollars are paying for, you pay for her meals and overnight stays in top suites in hotels, She has SS details following her around on your dime and all the while you are paying, she is making money by selling books.

                    See I did not say "I think" she is doing it, it is reported on TV for all to see she is doing it. Your favorite on MSNBC  Madow showed Michelle at a book signing event then later that day at a rally giving a speech about Obama. That is a big difference from you trying to pass of as a fact about Scott Walker, you get called on it then you back off saying it was just an opinion by saying "I think"

                3. Marquis profile image60
                  Marquisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  She will indeed. Notrice Democrats hate paying taxes but love raising taxes for other people to pay.

                  Democrats are TRASH.

                  1. American View profile image60
                    American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Very true. I am tired of hearing Democrats saying they could pay more. Put up or shut up!!!!

        2. paintphd profile image59
          paintphdposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Poor Dems, don't have a picture i.d. Haven't figured out how them tricky Repubs have no trouble getting one. It is a misdemeanor offence of Vagrancy in most U.S. cities upon failure to provide identification to law inforcement, though it's seldom enforced as long as the person is'nt up to no good and can satisfy the cop's questions of residency. That's unless they are Repub cop's and a control ray shoots from their eyes into yours then they control your body like a Star Trek episode you probably remember where Scotty's body was being controled by Excablians.

          1. lovemychris profile image79
            lovemychrisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Heh?

          2. handymanbill profile image64
            handymanbillposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            lol ^^^^^^^^^^

          3. Marquis profile image60
            Marquisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Democrats want anarchy, voter fraud and anything else that they can get away with. Democrats are trash.

          4. Reality Bytes profile image94
            Reality Bytesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Wrong!  There is no Law requiring showing I.D. to anybody! You have to verbally identify yourself, STOP!

            1. Cagsil profile image59
              Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              This statement proves you've no clue what you're talking about.

              Vagrancy is a law which is in place about "money" and nothing more. Yes, it is a misdemeanor offense if you have less than $1 in your pocket at the time a police officers assumes you are a "vagrant". The police officer will factor in many aspects before reaching that conclusion. If you're unable to provide an ID, then they are likely to hold you until them find out who you are and you might be possibly subjected to community service or a fine, depending on your actual state of a living.

            2. paintphd profile image59
              paintphdposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              You stop,  That's as silly a statement as can be stated...verbally identifying yourself, thats the system you'd like to have, but it's not reality. As I stated, Verbally proving who you are is fine as long as the cop obtained enough info from you to run you through N.C.I.C. Then you'd better have satisfied their suspicions or he'll do the rest of his fact finding while you cool off in a holding cell friend.

              1. Reality Bytes profile image94
                Reality Bytesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Research facts,  I have already stated the truth!

                you may Google:  Do I Have To Reveal My Name To A Police Officer? Do I Have To Carry An Identification Card?



                lol, I did not mean for you to stop, I meant once you verbally identify yourself there is nothing more you need to say or do!

                edit: unless you consent to waiving any Rights you have, your decision to lay down for authority though!

                1. paintphd profile image59
                  paintphdposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Sounds good...Tell the cop your not giving him your name. Tell him you googled the facts on it .

                  1. Reality Bytes profile image94
                    Reality Bytesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    You have to verbally identify yourself.

                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiibel_v._ … _of_Nevada

                    Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, 542 U.S. 177 (2004), held that statutes requiring suspects to disclose their names during police investigations did not violate the Fourth Amendment if the statute first required reasonable and articulable suspicion of criminal involvement. Under the rubric of Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968), the minimal intrusion on a suspect's privacy, and the legitimate need of law enforcement officers to quickly dispel suspicion that an individual is engaged in criminal activity, justified requiring a suspect to disclose his name.
                    The Court also held that the identification requirement did not violate Hiibel's Fifth Amendment rights because he had no reasonable belief that his name would be used to incriminate him; however, the Court left open the possibility that Fifth Amendment privilege might apply in a situation where there was a reasonable belief that giving a name could be incriminating.


                    That is all you are required to do.   I won't tell the cop anything outside of my name, have and will continue to do it.

        3. Smireles profile image84
          Smirelesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          You know, I have had to have a picture I.D. for everything I do most of my life. We do not live back in the sixties when I could sign  (Mrs) Mireles to the back of my husband's pay check at a grocery store and get it cashed. I find it very interesting that people want to blame the rebublicans for everything when it is clear that people who do not have the best interests of this country in their heart welcome the idea that anyone and everyone who happens to be here at the time of an election should vote. Some appear to believe that dead people are entitled to their vote as well. Ridiculous. I would also like to know how many of you know poor people who own businesses and hire other people. People should research the facts before spewing nonsense they hear on the liberal media. Those people are not poor and most have never been poor but every word they say seems to be swallowed hook line and sinker. Sorry, but I need to get this off my chest.

          1. paintphd profile image59
            paintphdposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            The truth,  ahhh what a fresh and novel idea.

        4. Teddletonmr profile image82
          Teddletonmrposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          @lovemychris
          Actually, I do keep a copy of my birth certificate, military discharge papers and other important identification, insurance and financial papers readily available. As for a fire, theft, or natural disaster I have copies on file at my local county court house and other protected locations just for safekeeping that cost me nothing.
          When I vote I must show my valid state identification card with my current address that matches the voters registration registrar.
          Blame the identity thief’s, republicans if you must, the truth that you choose to ignore, people lie, steel and cheat honest folks every day. Therefore, we must take steps that protect each legal citizen’s vote from thieves’ surely, you agree.

          1. lovemychris profile image79
            lovemychrisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            What it is doing is preventing honest US citizens from voting!

            1. Teddletonmr profile image82
              Teddletonmrposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Pure B.S sad

          2. Marquis profile image60
            Marquisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            We must also make sure illegal aliens do not steal other people's identities. In addition to that, we must make sure that people do not vote more than once (voter fraud).

  8. Marquis profile image60
    Marquisposted 4 years ago

    The Libs are still upset about not being able to ruin Wisconsin like they do every place in the United States of America.

 
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