TIBET- The Land of Snows and Sorrow

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Tibet - mysterious land that I always wished to visit - because of it`s breathtaking nature and beautiful mountains every hiker and nature-lover dreams of , because of my interest in various world religions and Buddhism is certainly worth of exploration and, of course, because of great Tibetan people whose style of life for many centuries stayed rooted in simple tradition, spirituality and harmony with nature.

Although many people around the world have romantic picture of Tibet, as I used to have, this beautiful country and it`s people are actually very far from any romantic circumstances we like to imagine.

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Since Tibet was in 1950. invaded and occupied for China, Tibet and Tibetans live in complete turmoil caused by China invasion that left the mark on their lives they never asked for.Tibetan government fled in exile in 1959 and since then, Tibetans (who stayed there and did not have chance to run away) are left in full isolation, their human rights are heavily violated, they are treated like second class citizens and live under full of control of China military and police (there is one military on every 20 Tibetans).

Chinese government and soldiers destroyed majority of Tibetan`s monasteries and cultural heritage and did their best to permanently change demographic make up of the country - in 50-ties there was more then 6 millions of Tibetans and almost none Chinese, today there is 5 millions of Tibetans and over 7,5 millions of Chinese people who migrated to Tibet by the order of Chinese government.

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Let us take few steps back into the HISTORY OF TIBET

Tibet is known to be state as early as in 2nd century. In the 7th century, Tibet became super-power in Asia (together with China) thanks to the king Songtsän Gampo who founded Tibetan empire. China managed that mentioned king marries Chinese princess to keep the peace between China and Tibet (so they became allies), and she brought Buddhism to Tibet. But problems with China started already in 8th century who took over Tibet`s territories in central Asia, but luckily for Tibetans, Chinese army was defeated by Arabs, so Tibet gained control over it`s territory again and signed with China peace treaty in 822, that should last for 10.000 generations and should never be changed - the states approved each other borders and recognized each other`s sovereignty. China respected this treaty for many centuries.

In the 13th century, Mongolians (Genghis Khan) became the third "super-power" in Asia - but Tibetans were wise enough to influence Mongolia with Buddhism and offer them religious blessings in exchange for patronage and protection, so Buddhism became main religion in Mongolia, and deep friendship between Tibetans and Mongolians was established so they were very much tied together. Anyhow, China was not so lucky, Mongolians conquered China .

When in the 14th century Mongolian Empire became weak, Tibet broke political ties with Mongolia and regained it`s full independence again.

In the following centuries, Dalai Lamas were religiously influencing the both states- Mongolia and China what assured Tibet maximum of protection from the both ones.

On the beginning of 18th century, Mongolians decided to take over Tibet, but Manchur/Chinese emperor Kang-Xi (Manchurians were the nation that conquered China) saw in this attack possibility to gain dominance over Tibet and 4 times kicked out Mongolians from Tibet what helped him to gain political influence over Tibet.. Kang-Xi proclaimed Tibet as it`s protectorate , but Tibet kept majority of it`s independence and Tibet was never fully incorporated into this empire.

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References: http://sites.google.com/site/legalmaterialsontibet/

http://tibet.dharmakara.net/tibethistory.html

http://www.tibet.net/en/index.php

http://www.imperialchina.org/Tibetan.html

How China "liberated Tibet"

20th century in Tibet

Chinese influence became weak on the beginning of the 20th century due to their own inside political problems - fall of monarchy in 1911-1912. The new president of the Chinese Nationalist Republic, Yüan Shih-k’a, continued expansionist policy toward Tibet and welcomed the 13th Dalai Lama to join “the Motherland.” The 13th Dalai Lama refused and cut off all ties with China. He created a War Department to lead an armed rebellion against the Chinese. Due primarily to the chaotic situation in China, the Chinese troops soon surrendered. Chinese soldiers left Tibet in early 1913

Since then, Tibet enjoyed it`s full independence in practical sense (if we don`t count that Great Britain invaded it in 1904, but somehow Tibetans did not have much problems with British invasion, they became friends with them) .Of course, China could not forget the fact that it lost Tibet and Mongolia at that time, but for years could not do much about it. When the both world wars were over as well as civil wars and revolution in China and as soon as China became brand new communist country with fresh ideology, it`s temperament and fanatic leader Mao Zedong decided to bring back territory that China had when it was empire .

New ideologies, are often mightier then old ones - change in ideology brings new force to the country that already has imperialistic tendencies for centuries and also new excuses for grabbing somebody else`s territory - so only 1 year after communism fully won, in 1950, Mao sent his heavily armed army to "set Tibetans free from feudalistic slavery and Buddhist theocracy"...

Tibetans were not grateful because of his "well-minded" intentions (as well as they were not happy when any previous emperor was setting them free with help of army and weapons) and did their best to fight Chinese army, but as underarmed they could not succeed.

Although China conquered Tibet (second time in the history) they allowed that Tibetan government stays in Tibet and that young 14th Dalai Lama keeps it`s position as religious and political leader of Tibet - of course, China Government was that one who was really in charge .

In the following years, rebellion of Tibetans was imminent because Chinese army was continuously attacking Tibetan citizens (farmers and monks) in various provinces of Tibet, so Tibetans started to resist already in 1956. By 1958, as many as 80,000 people had joined the Tibetan resistance fighters. Alarmed, the Dalai Lama's government sent a delegation to Inner Tibet to try and negotiate an end to the fighting. But, the resistance fighers convinced the Dalai Lama`s delegates of the righteousness of the fight, and Lhasa's representatives soon joined in the resistance - Tibetan armed rebellion in Lhasa started in 1959, but Chinese army fought back on very cruel way, with heaviy, artillery that in 3 days they destroyed most importan parts of Lhasa and killed over 87 000 people and arrested and deported many other thousands of them. At that time, Dalai Lama and his government fled to India, later followed by other 80.000 citizens - all of them were escaping through the harsh Himalayan mountains walking for weeks to rich India. Of course, Chinese army continued with terros in the years to come so up till today approximately 1,2 million of Tibetans were killed by Chinese army, many more were tortured or deported to other Chinese provinces.

So much about " liberation of Tibet".

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Chinese government today presents to the world false history of Tibet, claiming that Tibet was part of China for more then 1000 years, what is completely incorrect. They also present previous Tibetan society as highly non-human, what is far from truth. Chinese children learn the same false history in the schools, unfortunately pages of human history are often written by those ones who win some war.. The truth is completely different - actually very few states on this world can say that they were so lucky as Tibetans while being able to keep their independent status for so many centuries as Tibet was able, thanks to it`s political diplomacy and powerful religious and spiritual influence.

In the modern world, China denies that any state recognized Tibet, but by the international law that states that recognition can occur by explicit or implicit acts including treaties, negotiations, and diplomatic relations, Tibet was signed enough of such documents before invasion of China in 1950, that are proof of independence. Even Nepal has at that time Ambassador in Tibet, Tibet was issuing passports that were recognized by the other countries, etc.

So while world up till now did not fully recognize Tibet?

The answer is very simple - part of the world is still afraid of China, so many countries and many people think that is better to have China as friend instead of opposing it...business with China is also for some more interesting then human rights. The other part of the answer is in the fact that China government was using thousands of lies to cover their deeds, presented Tibetans as happy people who fully enjoy the prosperity as a part of China and their false marketing produced effects.

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What about Tibet today?

Tibetans who live in Tibet are very much isolated from the rest of the world, thanks to the high level of control China implements, treated as second class citizens. Although China invested a lot of money to Tibet, it is not meant to be for benefit of "liberated" Tibetans: F.e they work for much less money compared to the same jobs performed by Chinese people.

Tibetans are also not allowed to travel outside China if they show any type of political disagreement with CCP. That ones who escape, are doing that secretly, over the dangerous Himalayan mountains (what means they need several weeks to pass them) - not everyone succeed, if they get caught by Chinese military, they get shoot or finish for many years in prison.

Please watch the following video recorded by Himalayan mountain climbers:

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Human Rights for Tibetans in China? Combination of torture and brainwashing

While doing research for this Hub, I watched nearly hundred of video materials and read many written material - all the time I just could not stop to cry - so many suffering for people whose homeland is attacked is hardly possible to describe.

In Tibet today, there is no freedom of speech, no freedom of assembly, no freedom of press, no language freedom...

Majority of people who are still in Tibet give their best to for practice passive resistance, based on Buddhist's principle of non- harming the other being.

But...

Any sign or pro-independence protest or expressing any type of political dissatisfaction leads to the prison , even if someone has Dalai Lama photo can be enough to get prosecuted by the law.

  • F.e for recording Tibetan freedom song one usually gets 5 years in prison,
  • for demonstrating for independence 7-15 years,
  • for passing pro-independence posters 7 years ...
  • 9 years of prison is worth smuggling the list of prisoners outside of prison, etc.

In the prisons, various forms of torture techniques are employed as forms of punishment, which include:

  • standing in the sun for long hours without any movement,
  • making the prisoners run non-stop for long hours ,
  • deprivation of food, water, and sleep,
  • beating with iron rods, sticks, iron padlocks - often performed by group of soldiers
  • the cuffing of hands and feet for many days,
  • raping,
  • confinement in a freezing room;
  • setting guard dogs onto prisoners;
  • the use of electric cattle prods,
  • use of electric shocks while prisoner is in water ... etc.

List is very long. Do I need to mention that many die in the process of torture or later from malnutrition? When this happens, family needs to sign that person committed suicide.

In addition to torture, prisoners are required to denounce from their heart the Dalai Lama and Tibetan freedom, and to pledge their love for the Communist Party. If prisoner refuses to to that, torture continues.

Reference: http://www.tchrd.org/publications/topical_reports/drapchi_prison-2001/#insightIntoDrapchi

http://www.tchrd.org/publications/topical_reports/drapchi_prison-2001/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/tibetan-tells-of-chinese-torture-1574940.html

http://www.freewebs.com/shadowclad17/issues.htm

https://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=10053&t=1&c=1

Please, don`t think that this does not happen to Chinese people as well. How practitioners of some spiritual movements (as controversial Falun Gong) are treated in China, you can see on this photos:

http://www.clearwisdom.net/emh/articles/2003/3/21/33576.html

Why torture?

Torture is not something what government or CCP explicitly orders. Problem is more complicated. There is political practise that did not change in China in last 3.000 years : central government gives orders to the local officials and puts them under the big pressure to comply with orders issued, while expecting quick results and without telling them how to implement them. If orders cannot be implemented, local officials are personally responsible and penalized by fees, or they face carrier problems etc. Result of such lack of sensitivity from central government is - enormous brutality of police, army and local officials who recognize torture as only way to implement orders that citizens cannot accept (because they are obviously wrong and too stupid to be implemented on normal way).

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Today, many Chinese are afraid of Tibetan revenge, because not every Tibetan is peaceful lamb who wants to be manipulated on one way or another. Ironically, so called "liberation" that is forced upon Tibetans can be described as "Simple and highly effective methods how to create terrorists from peaceful people". China is very lucky only because Buddhism is very non-violent religion and majority of Tibetans are deeply devoted to the Buddhist`s principles, but in younger generations of Tibetans (inside Tibet and in exile) revolt is certainly rising up, and nobody can blame them for that.

Non-violence certainly does not mean that one should surrender to the violent one.

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Palden Gyatso was a political prisoner for 33 years. He was persecuted for putting up a political poster and demonstrating against the Chinese occupation of Tibet. He endured years of torture, hard labor, and “political re-education”. What makes Palden unique is that he smuggled the torture devices used on him out of Tibet for the world to see— toothed thumbcuffs, knives, and electric batons. Palden Gyatso was released due to a letter writing campaign. Today, he continues to strive for freedom in his homeland.

Thupten Ngodup is Tibetan patriot who set himself on fire in 1998 in Dharamsala in India, as a way of protest against Chinese invasion of China.
Thupten Ngodup is Tibetan patriot who set himself on fire in 1998 in Dharamsala in India, as a way of protest against Chinese invasion of China.

Thupten Ngodup is Tibetan patriot who set himself on fire in 1998 in Dharamsala in India, as a way of protest against Chinese invasion on Tibet. His pain for his country and people who suffer for decades in Tibet was too deep to be lived with - while not seeing another solution - he sacrificed his life so world would finally start to pay attention on truths about what is really going on in Tibet.

Nepalese soldiers. Nepal is very pro-China state and does not support pro-Tibet movement.
Nepalese soldiers. Nepal is very pro-China state and does not support pro-Tibet movement.

Chinese Imperialism and Roots of It`s Ideology

Many people try to blame socialism/communism for China`s imperialistic appetites - situation is far more complex then that. China, actually various nations that live on that territory (Hans, Mangjurians) - were imperialistic for many centuries, but monarchs in China were spiritually oriented - so whenever was needed, Tibetans were offering them strong religious support in replacement for political protection, so Tibet was able to stay free. When communists started to rule China, atheism became dominant, so Tibetans had nothing to offer to communist China in replacement for freedom or autonomy.

In pure socialistic/communist ideology there is no idea of imperialism, so for justifying their imperialistic behaviour, Chinese government and CCP (communist party) found inspiration in China`s imperialistic feudalistic past, and certainly in imperialism and colonialism of capitalistic countries in more modern world - this sick ideological mixture, falsely called "liberation, cannot make anybody happy on Tibet - nor Tibetans neither Chinese people who now live there.

With so many unhappy people it is not strange Chinese government is paranoid about Tibetans` wish for independence - giving up Tibet would mean that they have to admit they made mistake, what is not easy, because they intentionally rewrote history pages to justify what they`we done to Tibet. They would need to apologize because of imperialism and because of presenting to their citizens the false history. Without Tibet (that is big as western Europe) China would be much smaller country then now, and certainly much less politically stable. China consists of 56 nations, if they give freedom to Tibet, it is matter of time that other nations would start to fight for independence as well.

Because of big effort from Tibetan government in exile and Tibetans (in Tibet and in exile) who in 60 years of occupation did not give up their efforts to gain freedom and their voices are heard all around the globe, China government is in panic of the world finding out the truth about Tibet, as well as is afraid of Tibetans. Only fearful one can implement so brutal methods to suppress voice of the one whole nation, only fearful government can manipulate world and it`s own people with so many lies.

If Chinese government would not be afraid of Tibetans, they would already offer them referendum, so they could vote whether they want their independence or not.

Instead of that, they pressured Tibetan government in exile to change their politics and accepted negotiations with them only if there is no talk about Tibetan independence any more. Tibetan government in exile accepted that condition, understanding that as only choice to negotiate for more human rights and some autonomy for their people, but negotiations (there were only 2 of them in 50 years) did not lead nowhere up till now. Negotiations were obviously only fiction to present to the world generosity of China`s government, while, at the same time, plans were different and suppression over Tibetans continued, but some things do change:

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The positive fact is that Chinese government started to react on pressure from people around the globe to set free some political prisoners, what was not case before, so it is very worth to act, sign petitions etc. http://www.freetibet.org Some things obviously do get better in spite of many obstacles.

In 2007 Chinese government ordered 100,000 Tibetan nomads to give up their lifestyle and move into the huge industrial towns along the Yellow River. The nomads live in much the same way as they did a thousand years ago herding yaks, spinning sheep wool and weaving yak hair for tents. For these people, this means losing their freedom they have high in the mountains, and sending them to live in crowded and polluted industrial cities, means death and lost of identity. This non-human act can be compared to the genocide. I don`t have any doubt that Chinese government presents that as "progress".

Demonstrations against occupation persist, were especially intensive in year 2008, when Olympic Games were in China.

 

Some truths about Tibet the best describes a poem written by remarkable lady Tsering Woser (who has Tibetan and Chinese roots and whose father was officer in Liberation Army of China, but started to seriously doubt about Chinese fairy-tales about liberation of Tibet). Tsering Woser is ex political prisoner and writes a blog on Chinese language about situation on Tibet. Blog is very popular by both - Chinese and Tibetan. She and her husband (who is Chinese), in spite of imprisonment they faced and suppression give their best to fight with words for truth about Tibet. This poem was written in 2008, after she visited her mother in Lhasa. 2008 was year when demonstrations against government were the most intensive.

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A hurried farewell to Lhasa,
Where the fear is in your breathing, in the beating of your heart,
In the silence when you want to speak but don’t,
In the catch in your throat.

A hurried farewell to Lhasa,
Where constant fear has been wrought by legions with their guns,
By countless police with their guns,
By plainclothesmen beyond counting,
And still more by the colossal machinery of the State that stands behind them night and day;
But you mustn’t point a camera at them or you’ll get a gun pointed at you,
maybe hauled off into some corner and no one will know.

A hurried farewell to Lhasa,
Where the fear starts at the Potala and strengthens as you go east, through the Tibetans’ quarter.
Dreadful footsteps reverberate all round, but in daylight you won’t glimpse even their shadow;
They are like demons invisible by day, but the horror is worse, it could drive you mad.
A few times I have passed them and the cold weapons in their hands.
A hurried farewell to Lhasa:
The fear in Lhasa breaks my heart. 
Got to write it down.

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In the story of Tibet is so much pain that it is just heart breaking. It is story for many millions of written pages, not for only one.

I wish very much that Tibetans find freedom they pray and fight for, on whatever way they decide and that peace and truth finally prevails. After so many years, it is really time for new pages of history to be written, by power of ordinary people from both sides, and not by politicians who are deeply afraid of every shadow that could spoil their sick plans.

At the end of this Hub, here I share few pearls of truly amazing Tibetan music, performed by Tibetan music that is just breathtaking and lives energy of peace and hope for future, while listen it, your soul can fly through the mighty Himalayan mountains and green grasslands and touch the roof of this world. Somewhere there, among the winds and high hills, I also sent my prayers that goodness, peace and light finally prevail.

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The song below, Tibetan Plateau, is very controversial - written by Korean Chinese Zhang Qianyi, who is also officer in Chinese army, but inspired by original Tibetan music and style of singing, that is very difficult for performance. Altough is written by member of Communist Party of China, text of the song is highly spiritual :

How far we can go back in time, How high we can go to approach the Divine

What if there is a song without lyrics , or love that would last forever?

Oh, I see the mountains, the mountains with endless horizon

Tibetan Plateau is my holyland, that my song always dignify.

Many nights we gaze upon the sky and dream about immortal life,

Who can always keep dreams in the mind? How far is my song being heard?

Oh, I see the mountains.......

Here you can listen it (half on Tibetan, half on Mandarin Chinese), performed by amazing Tibetan singer Sonam Wangmo, whose extraordinary voice is shaped in the freedom of grasslands of Tibet :

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Treaty Pilar - the oldest document of peace and recognizal of soveregnity, Tibet signed with China in 821/822 AD - Lhasa -
Treaty Pilar - the oldest document of peace and recognizal of soveregnity, Tibet signed with China in 821/822 AD - Lhasa -

Sino-Tibetan Treaty, 821/823 A.D. ,

The Oldest Document about Sovereignity of Tibet, that was in 9th century recognized by CHINA

Translated from the inscription on the west face of the stone pillar at Lhasa

The great king of Tibet, the Divine Manifestation, the b Tsan-po and the great king of China, the Chinese ruler Hwang The, Nephew and Uncle, having consulted about the alliance of their dominions have made a great treaty and ratified the agreement. In order that it may never be changed, so that it may be celebrated in every age and every generation the terms of the agreement have been inscribed on a stone pillar.

Both Tibet and China shall keep the country and frontiers of which they are now in possession. The whole region to the east of that being the country of Great Tibet, from either side of that frontier there shall be no warfare, no hostile invasions, and no seizure of territory.

Between the two countries no smoke or dust shall appear. Not even a word of sudden alarm or of enmity shall be spoken and, from those who guard the frontier upwards, all shall live at ease without suspicion or fear, their land being their land and their bed their bed. Dwelling in peace they shall win the blessing of happiness for ten thousand generations. The sound of praise shall extend to every place reached by the sun and moon. And in order that this agreement establishing a great era when Tibetans shall be happy in Tibet and Chinese shall be happy in China shall never be changed, the Three Jewels, the body of saints, the sun and moon, planets and stars have been invoked as witnesses; its purport has been expounded in solemn words; the oath has been sworn with the sacrifice of animals; and the agreement has been solemnized.

The full text of treaty: http://tibetjustice.org/materials/treaties/treaties1.html

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Revu2007 6 years ago

Wonderful hub Tatjana - it is nice to see someone write about Tibet. Most of the world has forgotten about the plight of the Tibetans and have accepted Chinese control over it - sad isn't it?

I hope the millions of Tibetans who live outside of Tibet can one day go back to their homeland, one that is free and respects the rights of Tibetans over their own land in every sense.

Rated up and marked useful - hope this hub is read and made popular by other hubbers. If the governments are too scared to speak up - at least ordinary folks like us can!! Thanks again for this much-needed hub!!


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Tatjana-Mihaela 6 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Thank you very much Revu2007, this world very often needs to be reminded, thank you so much vor your very valuable comment - India did a lot to help Tibetans.


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VioletSun 6 years ago from Oregon/ Name: Marie

Tatjana, You are amazing, every article you write is so well researched and informative that I trust what you write about, I learned a lot tonight. I cried of course, as I love the Dalai Lama, and respect the Tibetans. It saddens me that in this world, when lunatics takes power, they create so much havoc and suffering in our planet. Generations go, and its still the same story of war and violating human rights. I pray one day our world's consciousness will shift so these inhumanities cease to exist.

May the Tibetans find freedom to express their religion and the beauty of their soul.

Rated up, hope many read your hub!


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Eiddwen 6 years ago from Wales

Hi, what a heartbreaking hub backed up by those video clips.

We do not realise how well off we are and maybe before many start complaining about trivial matters that take over their lives, they should read this hub.

I also hope that many read this hub and will feel as humble as what I do now!!

I give a prayer for these people and all forsaken people like them.

Even though it was upsetting to read and dificult to watch thank you so much for this hub that will make many stop and think. I am bookmarking it so that I can refer back to it later to show my family.A definite awesome/useful and up for this one.

Take care.


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tonymac04 6 years ago from South Africa

Thanks for this wonderful Hub - so rich in information and culture! The music is really awesome too, thanks for putting the vids here.

I have to admit a certain ambivalence about Tibet, though. I can see that Chinese imperialism has brought about great suffering for the Tibetan people, and at the same time I think the Dalai Llama and his administration are somewhat feudal and so while I respect his spiritual values I'm not sure about the politics! I think that many in the West have lionised the Dalai Llama on the basis that he is anti-communist rather than a real understanding of what he and his rule mean for Tibetans.

No doubt the Tibetans' human rights have been seriously violated and some way needs to be found to restore them.

Thanks for a sensitive and thoughtful Hub which I really enjoyed.

Love and peace

Tony


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jill of alltrades 6 years ago from Philippines

What a wonderful and highly informative hub about Tibet! I am really happy that you shared here many unknown stories about the history of Tibet. This is truly an eye opener for me. Your title is perfect. It's truly a land of snows and sorrows.

Thanks Tatjana.

Rated up a useful!


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meteoboy 6 years ago from GREECE

I have heard about the Tibet. But you hub gives to us many informations about the situation there.Very useful hub. Thank you for sharing with us.


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advisor4qb 6 years ago from On New Footing

What a thorough and well-researched hub. What a beautiful countryside. What a horrible state those people live in. Awesome hub!

An as aside, you should read James Redfield's book called, "The Secret of Shambahla." I think it's along these same lines.


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Paraglider 6 years ago from Kyle, Scotland

Hi Tatjana - I learned a lot from this. I must admit that I knew very little about the ancient history of Tibet. You've put a great deal of research into this one. Many thanks :)


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De Greek 6 years ago from UK

This is really educational Tatjana. In 1970 I had made arrangements with a friend in Japan to travel to Europe via Tibet, but my employers of the time forced me to fly home instead. I regret it to this day. Well research hub. Well done!


ralwus 6 years ago

Another great hub Tatjana. Very well researched and most disturbing truth.


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Tatjana-Mihaela 6 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Dear Mary, this world is certainly very strange way to live on: it is deffinetely lead by psychopaths, while average people need to find their ways how to cope with this sickness and learn through the sorrow and tears how to heal the pain of this world.

A lots of love and hugs...


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Tatjana-Mihaela 6 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Thank you Eidween, I agree, this Hub is very upsetting, I was preparing it for days and just could not stop crying, neither I was able to stop writing and exploring.

The truth is very often upsetting, unfortunately.

Thank you very much for your prayers, these great and brave people really need it.

Peace...


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Micky Dee 6 years ago

God bless you Tatjana-Mihaela! I am always concerned for Tibet and the atrocities committed against these wonderful people. The "strong" too often rewrite history, enslave, and imprison. God bless!


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Tatjana-Mihaela 6 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Dear Tony,

feudalism in Tibet was not so bad like was presented to the world. Already in the time of 13th Dalai Lama (previous one) - land was given to the ordinary people: whoever wanted to cultivate it, could take it from feudalistic owners (if it was not already cultivated, of course) and pay affordable rent,( paying the rent did not start immediately, after few years) afterwards the land became the property ot that ones who were cultivating it. There are documents available which 13th Dalai Lama issued about that topic.

Of course that society was far from perfect, but, which one is? There was no genocide at that time, for sure.

Originally, young Dalai Lama was not an anti-communist at all, but he needed to become.

Majority of Tibetans LOVE Dalai Lama and highly respect him, CCP has no right to try to change their mind with torture and genocide and implement with force and humiliation into their mind, hearts and souls the same devotion for CCP. This is sick and impossible. And not "liberation" at all.

I did not write a lot about Dalai Lama, I wrote only about ordinary people and their struggle - with purpose. Tibet are ordinary Tibetans, at the first place.

Love and peace


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Tatjana-Mihaela 6 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Thank you very much Jill, you are so very welcomed here.

Peace and love.


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Tatjana-Mihaela 6 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Thank you very much Meteoboy.


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Tatjana-Mihaela 6 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Thank you so much Advisor for your visit, kind words and recommendation of book.

Love and peace.


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Tatjana-Mihaela 6 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Thank you Paraglider - present situation has deep roots in history, it is always good to find out what was before to understand what is going on today.

Thank you very much for your visit and comment.


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Tatjana-Mihaela 6 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

It is pitty you did not visited Tibet, Dimitris, now we would have some Hubs more about this topic. Thank you for visit and comment.


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Tatjana-Mihaela 6 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Dear Charlie, the truth is so often very disturbing.

Love, peace and hugs.


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Tatjana-Mihaela 6 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Dear Micky, you have beautiful heart and soul.

The "strong" ones misuse and manipulate people all around the world, no matter which political system we talk about.

Peace and blessings


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cindyvine 6 years ago from Kyiv, Ukraine

I can remember when I lived in China there were people standing on the street corners selling t-shirts that said, 'Tibet is really a part of China.'


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Tatjana-Mihaela 6 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

I can imagine that, Cindy, I understand that as proof that many are not sure about it.

BTW I also know that all Tibetans independance flags had been for years produced in factory in China, so when we talk about bussiness, Chinese people are supreme.


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Petra Vlah 6 years ago from Los Angeles

You are amazing Tatjana and this hub proves it. I admire your knowledge, your passion and the willingness to share it with the rest of us. Until now I only knew some parts of Tibet's history, but you made the picture complete. Thank you my dear.


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MartieCoetser 6 years ago from South Africa

Tatjana, this is an awesome informative hub! Beautiful music. So much sadness! Suppressing nations (people) is certainly one of the most horrifying realities. It is so typical human to become greedy and corrupt the moment power offers the opportunity. And the saddest of all – this will never change. There will always be suppressors versus the suppressed.


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tonymac04 6 years ago from South Africa

Thanks for the clarifications which have really helped me. Once again the Hub was fabulous and I really enjoyed it and learned a lot from it.

Love and peace

Tony


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nextstopjupiter 6 years ago from here, there and everywhere

Thank you, Tatjana, for this well written hub and all these important informations. But I am afraid that nothing will change as long as the the leaders of the Western countries are more interested in big business than in human rights.


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Tatjana-Mihaela 6 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Thank you so much Petra, I have tried to give my best.

Peace...


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Tatjana-Mihaela 6 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Thank you Marty. Will the people ever change? They can if they want to, it is completely up to them. It is not so difficult to change, and there is no need for all this mess and chaos we have on this planet.

Thank you so much for the visit and comment, I appreciate it very much.


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Tatjana-Mihaela 6 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

I am always glad to see you here Tony,

hugs, peace and love.


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Tatjana-Mihaela 6 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

You are right, NextofJupiter, bussiness is big obstacle.

Sometimes I think that better world exists only in parallel worlds, this one is still not ready for big change...but we need to belive.

I am very thankful for your visit and comment


 6 years ago

great hub and very close to my heart.I have had the good fortune of being very intensely involved with the Tibetan establishment in India by virtue of doing business with them over the last twenty five years.Most people in the establishment there are now more like personal friends.

I have two bits to add to this story.This was told to me by Her Exccelency Rinchen Khando la who as the sister in law of His Holiness is the first lady of Tibet.

One, that the Chinese have systematically over the years settled in Tibet the Han Chinese who are amongst the most ferocious of the Chinese races with the clear instruction of that they subjugate the Tibetans by whatever means available.Lands have been taken from the Tibetans and given to the Hans and the Tibetans have been reduced to being serfs on their own lands.Also the Han have been told to plant on their lands crops which they consume and not permit cultivation of crops that the tibetan people normally consume.The attempt is the break their sense of identtity completely over one generation.This seems to be succeeding because i have known a young Tibetan born and brought up in India to say that he would like to go back to Tibet though it is ruled by the Chinese since they permit worship at home and also do not interfere as long you do not carry out any political activity.The whole attitude towards the Chinese has changed.!!!

Also it is not for any imperial reasons that the chinese want to subjugate Tibet.It is for the water!!!!

so many major rivers emanate in Tibet that anyone controlling them will one day control most of Asia.Roads and Dams in this area being built at a frenetic pace confirm this idea.

All in all the future does not seem good at all. His Holiness has expressed the desire to quit and as and when he does there may be nothing to hold the Indian community in exile together and the same may just become assimilated into the local population completely and the identity in both coutries will just go away.

Sad but true.


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Tatjana-Mihaela 6 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Thank you for the comment, X. Water is very imperialistic reason to occupy the country in today`s world.

Altough in my country life is not easy,due to the globalism, I would never want to leave it, I did not leave it during the war we had, my homeland is my homeland, so I understand your young Tibetan friend and deeply admire his attitude.

There is nothing so beautiful on this world for my soul as the rocky mountains of Croatia that give me reason to live on this world, I would die without them, although every country is beautiful,and I like to travel abroad, my heart is fully happy only here.

By my opinion, problems of one community cannot be solved from exile - they need to be solved from inside the country. Exile is just temporary solution, to recover from stressful experiences, gain new connections, gain new experiences and new approach towards life.

Tibetan community in India will get fully assimilated by local population, only if they chose so. There are always options, for many of them, to return home,and face the obstacles, the others can keep their values and customs with or without Dalai Lama...if they want to.

Thank you so much for the visit.


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neeleshkulkarni 6 years ago from new delhi

hi this was my comment .regret forgot to log on.


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Shalini Kagal 6 years ago from India

Hi Tatjana - that was a great history lesson! I've always been fascinated by Tibet and it was great to hear those Tibetan singers.

While I agree with you that Tibet's tale is one of sadness and control - I think history is full of such examples and one wonders why men would want to crush their fellowmen and get so much pleasure out of it.


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Tatjana-Mihaela 6 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Thank you so much Neeleshkulkarni...after your post, I found the info that HH Dalai Lama is very serious about resigning and wants to ask Chinese government to allow him to go back to Tibet as ordinary citizen and die in his homeland.

This man is really incredible...and gives the best possible example to their people, while showing them the way what to do.

Thank you so much for the visit and comment.


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Tatjana-Mihaela 6 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Thank you Shalini - I hope Tibetans will find the ways how to solve their problems in their beautiful homeland.


readabook 6 years ago

This a such a well researched hub. I had no idea of the conditions in Tibet. I appreciate you taking the time to create this hub and enlighten us with your knowledge. It makes me want to cry when I see one culture destroying another culture. Such a loss for the entire world.


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neeleshkulkarni 6 years ago from new delhi

some more inputs from their point of view Tatjana-

one that when they left they were assured that this was a temporary exodus and that the american govt would sort out this problem and send them back.However after they came here those circumstances never arose.Now the Tibetans are reconciled to the situation since they realise that America now will never try to sort out their problems since american business has completely capitulated to the chinese market and therefore they are willing to even accept the situation as it is and go back.What i fear is that even if they do they will just go the Red indians way.

Also it is the voice of Tibet from exile with the tremendous moral authority of His Holiness the Dalai lama that has kept the issue alive in International fora despite the letting down by America which had practially funded the entire operation to produce a counter point to china.

The community incidentally now totally starved of funds is moving bravely on the path of self sufficiency finacially.


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Wesman Todd Shaw 6 years ago from Kaufman, Texas

EPIC HUB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Tatjana-Mihaela 6 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Thank you very much for your kind words, Readabook.


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Tatjana-Mihaela 6 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Thank you so much Neeleshkulkarni.

I know that USA was supporting armed rebellion of Tibetans up till 1974 (that support obviously was not enough to win, just to cause troubles to Chinese soldiers) but, after president Nixon visited China, he cnanged his opinion and this kind of support stopped.

There is no big capitalistic country that would ever save any other less economically developed and I am glad that Tibetans understand that.

Unfortunatelly, for them would not be easy neither if they miracolously get independence - former socialistic countries who recently got independence are today in deeper economical trouble then ever before.

... Chinese government is already removing nomads from grasslands - the same story as with American Indians, but now performed by another people and another state, that is inspired by American history. Unfortunatelly this material world is mainly lead by psychopats.

In addition - it seems that Tibetans (and Mongolians) do have same genetic roots as American Indians, it would be interesting to find out why hystory started to repeat itself, and whether is possible to change it and how.

People all around the world are loosing their tradition and national indentity - due to the globalisation that is forced upon them...

Thank you so much for your very valuable comment


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Tatjana-Mihaela 6 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Thank you very much Wesman Todd.


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HealthyHanna 6 years ago from Utah

The hardships many face breaks my heart. Tibet has always been a facination to me. This hub is very informative and has answered many of my questions. It is very interesting to me that they may have the same genetic roots as the American Indians.


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Tatjana-Mihaela 6 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

The genetic roots are the same - I started to explore that after observing their faces - they are the same as of American Indians (not only Northern American, also Indians from Central and South America). Style of music, even style of dressing in some areas of Tibet is completely similar to Indians... Then I searched for genetic analysis, and genetically is proved that they have same roots.

Thank you so much for visit and comment, Hanna.


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Hello, hello, 6 years ago from London, UK

A brilliant and comprehensive hub, Tatjana. Thank you for so much information.


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Tatjana-Mihaela 6 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Thank you Hello Hello.


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Winsome 6 years ago from Southern California by way of Texas

Hi Tatjana, the more I read of your writings, the more I see and enjoy your wonderful humor, heart and scholarly approach.

For example: "Tibetans were not grateful because of his "well-minded" intentions (as well as they were not happy when any previous emperor was setting them free with help of army and weapons)"

Thank you for filling in the large gaps in my understanding of the Tibetan people and their history. =:)


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Tatjana-Mihaela 5 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Thank you so much Winsome, I try to present the history on way that it`s not boring.

I appreciate your comment very much.


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MamaDragonfly2677 5 years ago from New York

Wonderful hub Tatjana!

Thanks for the visuals, as well. Tibet looks like a very beautiful and serene environment.


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Tatjana-Mihaela 5 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Wow, nice to see you here!


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prasetio30 5 years ago from malang-indonesia

My friend, I believe Tibet is a beautiful country. I am glad to know this from you. Thank you very much.

Blessing and hugs,


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Tatjana-Mihaela 5 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Thank you Prasetio - all the best to you in 2011, love, blessings and hugs.


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Mr Nice 5 years ago from North America

Kako si Tatjana,

Merry Christmas and a happy new year. Loooong time no chat. How are you and what's new?

Always unique and wonderful, this is really an excellent hub on Tibet. I learned a lot about Tibetan history and their culture.

I feel bad about the Tibetan people. It is not only China that invaded Tibet.

If you go through the history this situation happened to many peaceful countries in the past.

There were 217 Empires who invaded and occupied other countries through out the history.

Well it is sad but that is the real world. I hope one day Tibetan will get their land back too, as it happened to other countries in the past.

This is really an awesome and very well researched hub because I never knew much about the Tibet history.

Thanks for spreading your great knowledge, in your situation I don't need to say keep up the good work because your hubs are always great.

Love and hugs for the new year............


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maheshpatwal 5 years ago from MUMBAI

Its makes me very happy that people like you from western country feel so much for the people of Tibet.Your efforts on writing this beautiful hub are highly appreciated. Thank you very much.


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Tatjana-Mihaela 5 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Dear Tony,

thank you very much, for your comment, everything is OK.

Of course that China is not only invador on this world...many countries behave on the exactly same way. It is something sick in the part of humans that makes them behave like...hm...combinations of "Klingons and Ferenghi", so world is due to that in chaos.

Many best wishes for the NY, what is new in your life?

Love and peace


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Tatjana-Mihaela 5 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Thank you Mahespatwal - Croatia is not typical "western country" - we used to be part of Yugoslavia, (for 45 years up till 20 years ago) where we were taught to higly appreciate human values of all people on this world, especially those ones who need the help the most.

Just to mention a bit of history: Yugoslavia was, (before the separation and our wars in 90-ties), together with India part of Non-Aligned movement that started in 60-ties (Yugoslav president Tito, Indian`s prime-minister Nehru, Indonesian`s president Sukharno and Egypt`s president Nasser were founders of this movement). Non-Aligned movement was uniting many developing countries to work together " against imperialism, colonialism, neo-colonialism, racism, and all forms of foreign aggression, occupation, domination, interference or hegemony"...


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Mr Nice 5 years ago from North America

Dearest Tatjana,

It is always nice to hear from you.

You are very right about the humans behaving like...hm...combinations of "Klingons and Ferenghi. That is why the worlds disputed or occupied map doesn't look good.

Croatia still has many disputed areas like... Some areas by the Danube,Parts of Osijek and Sombor districts, Gulf of Piran, Prevlaka, Maritime border in the Adriatic Island of Šarengrad Military complex near Sveta Gera, in the area of Žumberak/Gorjanci Veliki Školj and Mali Školj (near Neum) Island of Vukovar.

Here is the link for the world disputed or occupied Countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territorial_d...

No news yet, same old, I still can't decide for my new year resolutions because I have many, I guess I need to concentrate on the important one's first.

How about you and your BF, any good news? Is your Island home ready to move in or not yet?

Love, peace, hugs and lots of good luck and good health for 2011...:)


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Tatjana-Mihaela 5 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Hehe Tony were did you read this data about Croatia?

We have negotianons with our neibhours about only parts of teritory you mentioned, the rest of data is completely wrong (e.g. Šarengrad and Vukovar are not islands in Adriatic, Sombor is not in Croatia etc.) but I consider these negotiations as normal - we were living with our neibhour countries for 45 years as one state and at that time, borders between republics, altough defined, were not so important, because our interests were very much the same. Now when we separated, borders on some places might become question of negotiations, because of various reasons, but we don`t talk about big teritory and certainly not about all places you mentioned...some places, as Sombor, don`t even belong to us, and they are not disputed.

And, hm...while we were part of Yugoslavia, all nations had very good relationship among themselves for 45 years - nobody was surpressing us for many years. Problems arised in 90-ties and the cause was, of course, extremism of various polititians who got the political power at that time. Unfortunately they were psychopats and sociopaths. Instead of improving economy and relations between various nations, they lead us to our wars... because of their personal interests (money, power, greed). Sadly, many people opted for extremism, while not realizing that they were only puppets in the hands of polititians and mafia.

My BF and me stopped to work on island during the summer and still thinking what would be the most clever thing to do there. My job allows me to live anywhere where is Internet connection. My BF is still connected to his job here in Zadar what makes things much more complicated, so investing money (now would be time for some very serious investment) and our work in the place he cannot permanently live we consider as unwise at this moment, so we are now resting...and thinking what would be the most appropriate next step.

A lots of peace and love to you and all the best in 2011!


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Mr Nice 5 years ago from North America

Hi Tatjana,

Thanks for the correction and detailed info, I got that info from Wiki.

If you can't live at the Island house then I believe it is wise idea not to investment too much money in it.

May be then just leave it like that or give it to someone in exchange for care taking or growing some fruit and vegetables.

If that option is not good then may be you should sell it and use that money for some other purpose.

Just some ideas but good luck.

Love, peace and all the happiness.........


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Tatjana-Mihaela 5 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Thank you Tony:

just yesterday we finally set up an agreement: we will sell part of the land on the island (there is plenty of land, on several places on the island, I showed only very small part of it) and buy land not too far from Zadar ( 1/2 of hour drive from Zadar), in order to finally have our own home and garden . We had negotiations about which area would be the most appropriate, but this part is over, so we can proceed with the next steps.

This option will be far more affordable and practical - we decided to build small prefabricated house - after extremely hard work, we got inspiration for easy solutions at last. Of course, we will NOT do the building on our own, enough is enough. Hehe, prefab house is build in few days...and extremely well insulated what I need very much...and very affordable.

As soon as we have our home, we will decide what to do with this part of land where houses are - it is not possible to use them without complete renovation, so at this moment it is best to live them as they are...


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Mentalist acer 5 years ago from A Voice in your Mind!

How can such a non-violent society endure such deviance from their chosen path...such a tradgedy.;)


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tnvrstar 5 years ago from doha, qatar

WOW! great hubs and nice information. Thank you


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mecheshier 5 years ago

Very nice piece of work. Your Hubs are so informative and insightful. And such wonderful pics. Thank you!!!!


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Tatjana-Mihaela 5 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Thank you Mentalist acer for the visit and sensible comment.


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Tatjana-Mihaela 5 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Thank you Tnvrstar.


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Tatjana-Mihaela 5 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA Author

Thank you so much Mecheshier.


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melbel 5 years ago from New Buffalo, Michigan

This hub is really packed with tons of information! You could almost make several hubs out of just this one! Thank you for the information. I have linked to this hub from mine on Tibetan prayer flags.


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Hui (蕙) 4 years ago

This hub left out two important periods of Tibetan history, i.e. Qing Dynasty (the last but the most powerful feudal Dynasty ruled by another China minor group) and the Recent Republis of China governed by Jiang Jieshi, the first leader of Taiwan. Kangxi the Great of Qing gave Tibet the official name, and Jiang had garrison in there. The hub also never mentioned the “SERF SYSTEM" of Tibet itself at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can I ask a question for the hubber? "Have you ever stepped on that land in person?" and "Where did you learn these information?"

Let me make a little clear on only one point. It was two princesses who brought Buddhism to Tibet. One was from China, and another one from Napel. Tang princess brought one 12-year-old-live-size Buddha, and Napel princess brought one 8-year-old-live-size Buddha, and they were all from Buddha's holy place. The two princesses are considered as great gods by Tibetanese.

To be clear and fair, China has never been conquered by Arabs, and none of monastires and public people were "attacked" by present China government after 1950, when the present government TOOK OVER Tibet. Should we take every energy to experience the reality and know the practical and solid knowledge before we open mouth to talk one thing??? For example, people should at least know a little about "SERF SYSTEM" before s/he can talk about Tibet.


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Hui (蕙) 4 years ago

I forgot one thing.

That treaty is from Tang Dynasty in 9th century. Going through another 10 centuries and several other imperial Dynasties, a lot things had got changed. Which "treaty" or "reality happened" should our present people abide to? Crimea Conference split Mongolia up, then what our people do with it now? Return back to the situation before the conference???

Let us listen to an American girl who used to travel to there for the real story. She was on TV, and agreed that Tibetan public is living in a much better condition than in the past. She said that if only Tibetanese lives well, then it is good.


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Hui (蕙) 4 years ago

By the way, western biasers and friends, the real Buddhasm is limitlessly kind to everyting. ”To kill life" is the first one taboo. The Buddha used to sacrifice himself to a hungry tiger. However, the tibetan form of buddhism is a savage one where sacrifices, eye gorging, amputation of limbs, and even skinning were commonplace. 95% of tibetans were just slaves that were treated like animals under the dalai lama. If you have chance, go to have a glimpse on real Tibetan doctrines and those historical documents.

About those political videos in this hub, why have two out of three been baned by You Tube. And is the second one believeable? The real Dalai Lama is an evil!!!


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tuteramanda 3 years ago from beijing china

you are wrong ,chinese is the second class citizens in PRC


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Hanavee 18 months ago from Pennsylvania

https://owlcation.com/humanities/How-I-Got-The-Dal...

Please read this article. I think it might help.

Brian

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