Guns, Chickenhawks and the NRA

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“You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!” These lines were famously spoken by my favorite actor, Jack Nicholson in the movieA Few Good Men.” Mr. Nicholson flawlessly portrayed Col. Nathan R. Jessup as a spit and polish and no-nonsense military figure. No one was going to make him think differently.

We all know that Jack Nicholson is an actor. He put on the costume of Col Jesse and let fire a barrage of machismo actions and statements. Today, there are many that do the exact same thing. They act brave and strut around with bloated chests, boasting how we need to be tough, act tough, have bigger guns, more guns, torturing prisoners is acceptable and invading other countries is our right. However, if we examine these real life characters we soon find out that although they talk the talk, NEVER have they walked the walk.

COWARDS AND HYPOCRITES OF THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION (NRA)

David Keene – Current President of the NRA did not serve in the military and claims the AR -15 military assault rifle is nothing more than the musket of modern times. Oh, let’s not forget that in 2003 his son was sentenced to 10 years in prison for a road rage incident in which he shot at another driver, missing his head by inches.

Wayne LaPierre – Current CEO of the NRA took his military deferment during the Vietnam War and never served. In 1999, he was for background checks on potential gun owners (see video) and now he’s against them. In Wayne’s world, you get to complain about the POTUS and his children having armed Secret Service protection and then you sputter like a Piper Cub airplane with engine trouble, once you are confronted by FOX Newsman Chris Wallace on his own armed security detail.

THAT WAS THEN.......

Is America the Greatest Country in the World?

Ted Nugent – NRA Board Member had proudly proclaimed that once he received his draft notice he ceased all personal hygiene, consumed an unhealthy diet and subsequently, went to the bathroom in his pants, all in an effort to avoid military service. Later he would claim it was a joke, but the fact remains he did not serve his country during the Vietnam War. According to Freedom of Information Act documents, Nugent did receive student deferments in 1967 and 1968 even though he actively performed in excess of 300 music performances a year.

Grover Norquist – NRA Board Member never served in the military. After the mass murder at Sandy Hook, Mr. Insensitive gave ABC News this little gem of wisdom…”We ought to calm down and not take tragedies like this, crimes like this, and use them for political purposes.”

Larry Craig – NRA Board Member and former Senator from Idaho did manage to serve in the National Guard from 1970 -1974. Larry the homophobic was arrested in the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport in the restroom after trying to play footsies with the man in the bathroom stall next to him.

FAUX MACHO-MEN EXPOSED

Dick (shoot my friend in the face) Cheney who advocated for war and torture was too cowardly to serve the United States in uniform. Dick took four (4) student deferments and his fifth one was for being a father. Rudy Giuliani received student deferments and another one for being a law clerk. Roger Ailes, has been at the helm of FOX News from the beginning and continues to spew right wing rhetoric, but yet never wore a uniform. Dick Armey, the Washington insider, conservative, Texan, engineer of the Republican Revolution and former House Majority Leader never served in the military. Glenn (conspiracy theorist) Beck, the ultra-conservative, who loves to rewrite history, never served in the military. Karl (Turd Blossom) Rove, otherwise known as “Bush’s Brain” vilified Vietnam decorated veteran, John Kerry. Although “Mr. Architect” found plenty of time to travel college campuses in 1971, he just couldn’t bring himself to visit Southeast Asia, wearing an Army uniform.

OH NO…NOT A PILONIDAL CYST

Homophobic, sexist, fear monger, kings of hate speech, Emperor of the Tea Party, blowhard extraordinaire, college dropout and by far the biggest pain in the butt to sensible people is none other than Rush Limbaugh. So how did Rush get out of the draft? Well, “bottoms up” to Mr. Venom who received a medical deferment for a pilonidal cyst. How ironic is that?

MORE “TOUGH GUYS” WHO NEVER REPRESENTED THE UNITED STATES IN UNIFORM

Sean (there’s nothing wrong with waterboarding) Hannity

Pat (Obama’s reelection killed white America) Buchanan

Mitt (the pretend presidential candidate) Romney

Michael (the white male has nothing to lose) Savage


Naturally, I could go on and on with names of individuals wearing loin cloths, beating their chests as they swing through life proclaiming their masculinity, only to discover their cowardice when faced with the harsh reality of military service.

Personally, I’m exhausted listening to those who have NOT led by example. I’m fed up with pundits and politicians in print, on television, the radio and the internet who regurgitate nauseating bile. In reality, these self-obsessed talking heads have ONLY one thing that feeds their appetites and that is the money they’re paid for the fear and hate spread like manure on a daily basis! It’s time to kick these folks to the curb and instead, we need to revert back to a middle of the road, common sense approaches to make us all stronger and safer as citizens.

WARNING: THE FOLLOWING VIDEO CONTAINS STRONG ADULT LANGUAGE AND SHOULD NOT BE LISTENED TO BY MINORS



Written By: Dennis L. Page

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JayeWisdom 3 years ago from Deep South, USA

Thank you, Dennis, for pulling back the curtain and exposing all these hypocrites! Great job....Voted Up+++ JAYE


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fpherj48 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

Dennis......How powerfully, but gracefully you have pulled away the blind folds, worn by those who refuse to LOOK closely enough to SEE the TRUTH.

Bravo!! I applaud you and thank you for your straightforwardness in sending out this Reality Check!

This video clip, with Jeff Daniels is Fabulous. I have seen this twice now, but as yet have not seen the film, which I'm sure is spectacular.

Again, I thank you, Dennis....and am proud of you....UP+++


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LiamBean 3 years ago from Los Angeles, Calilfornia

Actually, Ted Nugent had a 4F rating by the time the draft ended.


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Nathan Orf 3 years ago from Virginia

Very astute! I didn't ever think Ted Nugent was completely there at the best of times. And now this. Great work!


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hawaiianodysseus 3 years ago from Southeast Washington state

This was one of the best hubs I've read in months! Way to sock it to 'em, Dennis! Shared with as many people as I can give a shout out to! Awesome job!


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xstatic 3 years ago from Eugene, Oregon

I echo what HO said here. This is great and an expose' of the whacks who are the biggest advocates of right wing causes. Don't forget old crazy Hank Williams Jr. either, right in there with Nugent.

If Nugent had a 4f, it was probably due to some kind of overindulgence maybe?


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FyrFytr234 3 years ago

Wow! I've been saying for years that the USA is no longer the greatest country in the world, and question those that still believe that it is. Jeff Daniels was right on the money honey! Statistics don't lie. Although we're still a Superpower...thanks to our military and arrogance worldwide...we're far from where we used to be. Not that I'm packing a steamer trunk and boarding a ship anytime soon...but I have thought about my options. I'm still very proud to be an American. I hope we can make a comeback, but things still seem to be getting worse instead of better. I'm concerned about both of my sons futures, as well as all of us. It's time to get our collective heads out of our asses before it's too late. I just hope it's not too late already.

Great hub. Voted up and shared.


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Ericdierker 3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

A very interesting exposure of a dangerous core of individuals.


Justsilvie 3 years ago

Excellent Hub! Thank you for pointing out the chicken hawks ( my dad would call them by another chicken name) in this country big mouths, need big guns, to make up for a lack of...oh never mind you get my gist because it explains there need for big guns without ever going to war. Voted and sharing and sharing!!!!


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picklesandrufus 3 years ago from Virginia Beach, Va

AWESOME hub, simply awesome!!! You speak the truth, my hub friend.


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MayG 3 years ago from Melbourne, Australia

Whoa! Brutal, but I have nothing but disgust for these leading figures of the NRA, so I loved it. Still, I can't blame them for not wanting to go to war... can't say I'd be signing up!


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ezpikins 3 years ago from Texas

Sorry never fought in a war for the USA myself (New Naturalized Citizen in 2010) Now a proud member of the NRA, strong supporter of the good words of the Constitution and the Bill of rights and strict defender of all my rights including but not limited to the 2ND amendment. It's not there for anyone to take away but they are welcome to try, from my cold dead hands.


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xstatic 3 years ago from Eugene, Oregon

Oh, please! How orignal is that?? Oh, Texas, I see...


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pagesvoice 3 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border Author

@JayeWisdom - Thank you for being the first to read and respond to my article and the votes. Unfortunately, people will see and hear only what they want to. As I mentioned in my piece, I strongly believe that people who talk the talk, should also be able to walk the walk.


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pagesvoice 3 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border Author

@ fpherj48 - It is always an honor to see your footprint on one of my stories. Thank you for the vote of confidence. I felt the video was a powerful visual for the closing. I have watched it repeatedly and every time I still get a lump in my throat.


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pagesvoice 3 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border Author

@ LiamBean - I appreciate you dropping by and leaving your comment. I don't understand why there are those who gravitate to someone like Nugent. Here's a guy who basically was a pedophile and draft dodger and shoots flames out of his mouth with incendiary comments, yet he maintains a fan base. Wow...I just don't get it.


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pagesvoice 3 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border Author

@ Nathan Orf - It was nice to see your comment this morning. A clear example of how far off the middle of the road we are as a nation is the fact a Texas politician has invited Nugent to be his guest at the State of the Union Address. This is the same Ted Nugent who loudly declared, "If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, again, I will be either be dead or in jail by this time next year.”


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pagesvoice 3 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border Author

@ hawaiiandysseus - It is always a pleasant surprise to have you stop by and comment. I appreciate you sharing my article and your stamp of approval. It never ceases to amaze me how some go through life wearing blinders, seeing only what they want, while others have panoramic vision.


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pagesvoice 3 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border Author

@ xstatic - Hello, good morning and thank you for the visit. I didn't forget about Hank Williams, Jr., but time and space led me away from including him too. I also don't know why more people haven't jumped on LaPierre for saying he was for background checks for potential gun owners in 1999 and now he is against it. Why? For crying out loud, I need to show my pharmacist photo ID if I want to buy a small package of Sudafed. Where's common sense and logic?


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pagesvoice 3 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border Author

@ FyrFytr234 - Top of the morning to you, Bob. Thanks for the votes and for sharing. We seem to be sliding down into the depths of despair, led by corporations, pundits and greed. I too have no plans on leaving my country. Instead, I will continue the good fight. My dad was a combat veteran of WW II and Korea and I reflect upon him and all of the other grave sites in the Veteran's Cemetery. The way things are in this country today are not the same things these Americans fought and died for. Chickenhawks talk big as they send off another family's kids to war, yet cower at the thought they might have to face a combative enemy on foreign soil.

I guess someone had their head in Limbaugh's butt when they removed his pilonidal cyst. Unfortunately, he seems to have grown another one and it sits on top of his shoulders. Cheap shot, I know, but I couldn't resist.

One last thought. If you are going to board a ship, make sure it isn't Carnival Cruise lines. No food, flushing toilets or electricity.


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pagesvoice 3 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border Author

@ Ericdierker - Thank you for the visit and reply. Wow, you summed up my article quite nicely. "Exposure of a dangerous core of individuals." I could not have articulated that observation any better. Again, I appreciate your comment.


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pagesvoice 3 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border Author

@ Justsilvie - I'm grinning ear to ear after reading what your dad would have called the group I referenced. My gun is bigger than your gun is too simplistic for me to grasp. Then again, I don't understand trophy hunting either. Perhaps we should check their shoe size and how big their hands are too. LOL Thank you so much for the vote and for sharing.


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pagesvoice 3 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border Author

@ picklesandrufus - I was pleasantly surprised to read your response and your kind words. It's a shame we have a lazy media that will not/cannot conduct detailed reporting on those who ejaculate violent laced vitriol.


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ezpikins 3 years ago from Texas

@ Xstatic - Me original of course, you? typical liberal communist snarky comment.


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pagesvoice 3 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border Author

@ MayG - Thank you for reading and commenting on my article. I didn't mean to be brutal in my approach to this piece. My intent was to point out the hypocrisy of the mouthpieces who claim to be tough guys and yet on further examination, they prove only to speak tough behind their office doors. These people exhibit their machismo behind the safety net of body guards and the bunkers of big money.


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pagesvoice 3 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border Author

@ ezpikins - Congratulations on being a fairly new (2010) Naturalized Citizen. Living, working, contributing and debating in the United States is something none of us should ever take for granted. It is a privilege to be an American and my family has been here since the late 1500's.

There was a time I too was a card carrying member of the NRA. However, in good conscious I can no longer support that organization. To me...and this is just me...the NRA has moved radically too far of center and I find that troubling. Whenever any group leans too far left or right and embeds itself into a mantra of "My way or the highway" we ALL should then be concerned and consequently, we all lose.

The Constitution, not unlike the Bible, is open to all sorts of interpretations, depending upon a person or group's philosophy. If the citizens of this country were more moderate and centered we could then have healthy debates and compromise. The sad truth of the matter is how many people on both sides of an issue feed off of pundits and talking heads.

Thank you for your comment and I respectfully agree to disagree with you. Again, welcome.


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pagesvoice 3 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border Author

@ xstatic - I appreciate you stopping by and leaving a comment, even though it is obviously a sarcastic one. No one forced you to read my article and no one made you write a response. If your intent was to throw up criticism in an effort to take away from the facts regarding the individuals I wrote about, then you have failed. If a zealot wants to have the beating chest of guns, more guns, bigger guns and war, then at least be man enough to talk the talk and walk the walk. Otherwise, I liken these individuals to the person who complains about elected officials, but doesn't do the leg work and actually go out and vote. They have zero credibility.


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ImKarn23 3 years ago

Dennis..when i started reading this i got this sick feeling in my stomach - it sounded as if you might be advocating the words spoken by Jack Nicholson - which i recognized instantly..

As soon as i started reading YOUR words - the world tilted back and all was good again..lol..i KNEW i knew you better than that!

i applaud you on your courage, sir - first and foremost - as - this is about to hit the proverbial fan- where i'm about to put it!

I would like to add two other celebrated names to your already comprehensive one: The beloved Dick Clark and Charlton Heston...both outspoken nra supporters who didn't have a clue what they were talking about and didn't give a shit who got in the, um, crossfire..(excuse the very appropo pun..)..

i have posted the video separately on my fb page, and will now post this in it's entirety...everywhere..

this took GUTS and BALLS - I applaud you on being equipped with both!

if you'd like to 'link up' let me know..

ps..i've been on 4 - yes FOUR - carnival cruiselines - the last was in 2004 - pre-non-flush/food...lol

Afforded only because the company i worked for paid - i loved each and every one of em...lol..


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xstatic 3 years ago from Eugene, Oregon

Pagesvoice, sorry, that comment was directed at the "cold dead hands" comment left by another reader. I guess I di not make my self clear. I am in complete agreement with what you have written.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

"A new academic study confirms that front groups with longstanding ties to the tobacco industry and the billionaire Koch brothers planned the formation of the Tea Party movement more than a decade before it exploded onto the U.S. political scene."

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/41598_Stud...

This is right around the time Limbaugh became a fixture in talk radio....with his hate of all things liberal/democratic. Soon all of talk was right-wing talk, due to the airwaves being bought up by big business.

The industrialists, such as Prescott Bush, who tried to stage a coup on Roosevelt were just the same. But they were stopped by a General, who said War is a racket.

These chickenhawks, the nra and fox-talk radio are all one and the same entity.

Fascists who send your kids to war, and have your kids gunned down for profit.

Great hub pages. Good will OUT!


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ahorseback 3 years ago

Well ! I pushed interesting and useful for obvious reasons ! So let me ask you , will the next hub list the same absolute horsbucky style of "facts" about the left only ! Or am a just reading too much into this typical liberal tirade ! A little advice , at least hide your affiliations with the P.c. crowd its so obvious man !


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

What is not true?

Or maybe you could check on the right wing hubs and forums horseback....quite the lot of Republican pc crowd as you call it.

....at least you are allowed to comment on pagevoices. The R's delete if you don't follow their party-line.


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peoplepower73 3 years ago from Placentia California

Pagevoice: Bravo, Bravo, Bravo. Don't hold back, let it all hang out! I love the way you gave names to each of these blowhards! So many times, liberals are called so many names, but it's difficult to call a conservative anything, because that is what they are, afraid of change. My wife and I watched the entire season of Newsroom and thought it was one of the best and brightest shows on T.V. with a real message.

Keep up the good work. The only thing I would have added at the very end is: If any of these people want to play with military weapons, they should join the military and serve our country. Voting up, useful, and sharing.


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Kathleen Cochran 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

As an independent I'll admit (gladly) that I tend to lean more liberal than conservative. And I disagree with almost - if not every - word the NRA has ever uttered. But I've missed the connection between the need to have military service in order to be a gun advocate. Today only about 2 percent of the population serves in the all-voluntary armed forces. The day of the majority or even many of the people wearing the uniform of the nation is at least 40 years in the past. I'm only pointing this out because I think your arguments are weakened by taking this point of view. And they are good arguments written in an interesting format.


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ImKarn23 3 years ago

i need to stand up for xstatic here as i believe his comments were misconstrued..

he is one of my biggest fans and i am one of his..he is always on the side of what is best for the people - and his critical thinking skills are excellent..

that's what i know, anyway...

xx


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Well from where I sit...it's not so much the need to have served, but that the R's made it so! Remember Clinton, and the big deal they made of him not serving? "Pot-smoking draft dodging philanderer in Chief" Russsshhhhhh called him....

Savage called liberals "red diaper-doper babies"

Also--Clinton was against the Vietnam war, which is far more honorable than being for it, but not willing to serve yourself.

And, they had the nerve to call Max Cleveland a coward, when he had come home a wounded vet.

They also swift-boated Kerry---who had been to Nam---where were they?

Cheney took 5 deferments....Nugent "crazied" out....and yet they are such gung-ho supporters of war! That is the problem...they talk the talk....and make sure they all have BIG guns now here at home, but were not willing to really walk the walk.

At least an anti-gun/anti-war stance is honorable.

Being pro-gun, pro-war, but not signing up.....that's chicken-sh*t!


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Freeway Flyer 3 years ago

I'm also tired of people on the right parading around like members of some sort of Revolutionary War era militias ready to defend themselves from federal government "tyranny." As a general rule, I tend to think that gun ownership creates more of the illusion of security than the reality.

I suspect, however, that a hub like this will only influence people on the left side of the spectrum. It's the "preaching to the choir" effect. This is why I don't spend much time any more writing or talking about politics.


Justsilvie 3 years ago

"Being pro-gun, pro-war, but not signing up.....that's chicken-sh*t!"

You must have known my dad, lovemychris! You said it right in a very short sentence!


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Kathleen Cochran 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

lovemychris: I do remember the Republicans going after Clinton for not servng in the highly unpopular Vietnam War, when they conveniently overlook the fact that Ronald Reagan didn't serve in either theater of the hallowed WWII. His service was stateside only. Service records used for political purposes is the lowest of the low as far as I'm concerned unless you served yourself. Then you've earned the right to point finger.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

You don't want to know what my uncle calls them Silvie...;)

But--it's important for liberals to be loud and proud!

Because the right is loud and very very rich.

Sorry--libs pale in comparison. And the right-wing keeps up a steady drumbeat of this:

"Tea Party Nation head claims liberals are Nazis and Obama is just like Hitler and Stalin"

"Obama should be impeached"

"Obama is a tyrant"

blah blah blah....ad naseum.

We need MORE people to speak out against them.

Silence and apathy is what got us the TP congress in 2010.

Death to Women's rights here in America: End of unions. Privitizing all PUBLIC lands and utilities. Serfdom for the masses, if they have their way. I say NO!

We must say it loud, and stop backing down to nut-jobs and bullies.

Squeaky wheel gets the oil.

and I agree with you Kathleen!


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

woa...look at this: family values...teeheehee

Wolfrum:

Today's GOP Heroes: Between them, Ted Nugent & Clint Eastwood have 15 children by 11 different women.

*******

yikes......better get Focus on the Family ON THAT!


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

WOW....

@MattGertz

Ted Nugent's State Of The Union Prebuttal: Congressman Paralyzed By Gunfire Has "S**t For Brains" http://mm4a.org/X63mxt

*******

I'm done...don't want to be a hog! But just LOOK at the state of this R party!!!!! LOOK.

and vote. 2014.


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

You failed to mention any of the Democrats who played the same games? Do they get a pass because they are FOR gun control? People mature and circumstance changes? At least all of your above know the what you deam as truth against them, Kerry lied about his service in Vietnam so which is more honorable? All of the above now stand for something.............according to last nights state of the union all we stand for is weakness and a fascination for bridge building by our weak president.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

No one wants to build a bridge with lunatics....

They can get on board, or get off the boat.

Enuff of cow-towing to their demands.

Obama won: now he does his thing.

It's clear by now that the lunatics have one goal in mind: the destruction of the USA.

For their private bidders.


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xstatic 3 years ago from Eugene, Oregon

Senator Kerry, now Secretary of State Kerry, did not lie about his sevice in Vietnam. To say that is a blatant lie, and the "Swiftboater" character assassins are completely without honor or humanity.


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pagesvoice 3 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border Author

@ ImKarn23 - I know I can always count on you to visit and leave a super, duper comment and you didn't disappoint. Ah, you know me too well. No way would I throw my values under the bus in writing this article. I found it didn't take any courage at all to author this. It was rather easy to uncover the flagrant cowards who hide behind others that end up shedding blood for their causes. These guys (notice I didn't call them men) have the audacity...the unmitigated gall...to call themselves patriots, yet quiver at the mere thought they may have to make a personal sacrifice.

Although I was aware about Charlton Heston, I was taken aback about Dick Clark.

Thank you for promoting me and "Yes" I would like to know more about "linking up."

To paraphrase Jack Nicholson...the truth? Many want to hide and bury their heads in the sand because they can't handle the truth!


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pagesvoice 3 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border Author

@ lovemychris - I am so glad, privileged and appreciative of your comments and commitment to digging through the rubbish to get to the real meat and potatoes of truth.

I have had the card carrying members of the John Birch Society Koch boys on my radar for years and have written many articles about them and their pollution of land, water, air and now our politicians. I make it my objective to NEVER buy any Georgia Pacific or paper products manufactured by Koch Industries. Being a Conservative to these billionaires means destroying middle America so they can rule this country in a plutocratic manner. These two brothers are actively out to destroy everything that made this country great and yet the lambs being led to slaughter refuse to open their eyes. How sad is that?

Thank you so much for lending your words to this piece and let's keep up the fight...the one that is true patriotism and not one based on the Wizard behind the curtain.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

"As The Plum Line‘s Greg Sargent rightly points out, the Republican Party has much bigger problems than inviting a washed-up whackjob like Ted Nugent to the State of the Union. Sargent says the “problem is the perpetual winking and nodding to The Crazy.

I would take that further and say not only does the Republican leadership condone The Crazy, but also the violent tendencies associated with this type of dangerous ideology. Whether it is refusing to back the Violence Against Women Act, fighting against every single sensible gun law, promoting military force over diplomacy or failing to condemn violent rhetoric toward President Obama — the GOP is gaining a reputation of a political party that cynically accepts violent language and behavior."

http://www.nationalmemo.com/the-gops-violence-prob...

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Maybe we can stop calling people like Sargent "haters", and pay attention to what he is saying: it's a warning!

I said it after the Gifford's shooting, and people here said I was spreading Hate, and making libs look bad by saying it......

No, my intuition was right.

These people want blood and horror and chaos. We need to stop giving them credence, and start calling it out for what it is:

Domestic Terrorism. On-going since the inception of America.

Guns don't mean the right to kill to get your way: aka, might is right.

Stop the madness.

And thank you for the kind comments pagesvoice!


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pagesvoice 3 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border Author

@ ahorseback - I thank you for at least the vote for interesting and useful. I do appreciate you also taking the time to read and comment.

Please forgive me, but I really don't know what "horsbucky" is. I've never heard of that before. I do know what "horse pucky" is and all one need do is replace "pucky" with a four letter word that starts with an "s" and ends with a "t."

I don't know why you consider factual information offensive. Could it be a result of the machismo screaming males calling for more guns, bigger guns, my gun is bigger than your gun, being revealed as cowards when faced with the decision to "put up or shut up?"

I guess with me bolting out of the stanchion and writing this piece to show the true colors of the horses involved has somehow offended you. If that is, in fact, the case I make no apologies. Furthermore, if you feel I am labeled as a liberal because I advocate for common sense guns laws that involve background checks and the elimination of assault weapons in the hands of civilians, then knock your socks off.

Finally, my advice to you is the realization that this was my hub. I do not, nor will I write other hubs based upon suggestions from others. Would you like me to tell you what you should write about? Ah...just as I thought.


Justsilvie 3 years ago

This hub has a huge drawback quality! It seems to me like some of the pro gun crazies and I do not mean the average 2nd amendment supporter have this idyllic vision of a future where militias rule the country dressed in military uniforms, controlling all and everything with them in command with many stars on their shoulders. Maybe too much Hollywood and post apoplectic fantasy viewing going for me and them! But they are starting to look familiar in the movie plots… and they are usually the bad guys.

I don’t think they understand most of us would not want to live in a world were survival of the fittest rules the day and that seems to be their goal.


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pagesvoice 3 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border Author

@ peoplepower73 - Thank you so much for dropping in and commenting on my article. I am glad to see another voice of reason join the crusade to end the insanity behind all of this weaponry in the hands of civilians.

I love your closing paragraph, which makes perfect sense to me. Those on the extreme right love to toss around names like fascist, communist, socialist, Marxist, and bleeding heart liberals. However, when someone stands up to them and gives them black and white factual accounts about those they idolize, mysteriously they become the offended.

As George Peppard from "The A Team" would say, "I love it when a plan comes together."


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

justs, Is it really too much hollywood? The Obama administration now claims it can kill at will any American "they" think is involved in terrosist activity? If your neighbor tells the authorities you are a terrosist will you be safe? Will you get a judge and jury of your peers? I'm keeping my guns for a day just like that.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

As Max Keiser would say: If you really had guns to stop tyranny--you would have done so already...IE 2000-2008!


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Nathan Orf 3 years ago from Virginia

Patriot Quest,

"The Obama administration now claims it can kill at will any American "they" think is involved in terrosist activity?"

Like Anwar Al Awlaki, an American citizen who was a member of Al-Qaeda and was plotting attacks on American soil?

"If your neighbor tells the authorities you are a terrosist will you be safe?"

I'm pretty sure the authorities are more intelligent than you give them credit for.

"Will you get a judge and jury of your peers?"

If convicted of any crime, an American citizen is convicted according to the due process of law. That will not change in this Administration, or the next administration, or the one after that...

"I'm keeping my guns for a day just like that."

Okay. But your fantasies of fighting a theoretical future fascist government takeover do not trump the rights of the rest of the American people to demand gun laws that promote and protect, rather than endanger, public safety.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Last paragraph is gold Nathan.

@ColMorrisDavis

Ted Cruz slanders war hero, embarrasses Texas, violates SASC tradition http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/lawmaker-new... … Chickenhawk "patriot" attacks a real Patriot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embed...


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

Nathan, and lovemychris, I know you don't understand but I know you think you mean well, Tyranny was stopped chris, we beat England back to gain religious and financial freedom, and Nathan your last paragraph is not golden it is a bald faced lie, Polls show only 4% of Americans want stronger gun control......As long as it says USA on the label the majority rule! Not your false dictator sitting smugly in office.............Oh I saw where Warren Buffet bought Hines ketchup for 28 Billion this morning, I thought Koch brothers were the rich ones???


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Nathan Orf 3 years ago from Virginia

Patriot Quest,

I know you think you mean well too, and that's all right. We can disagree agreeably, can't we?

I have to say, though, that you may want to take a closer look at those polls. Most polls show that a majority of Americans, 83 percent, support stronger background checks. 53 percent support stricter gun laws. You may be referring to assault weapons, because only 39 percent of Americans support banning them. I've listed the results below.

I don't know what "false dictator" you are talking about, because you've just admitted that Obama is a "false dictator." Meaning, in your own words, that he is not the tyrant some make him out to be.

I am personally feeling more warmly towards Warren Buffet right now, he who is concerned with the paycheck of his secretary, than I am towards the Koch Brothers. Yes, Buffet is richer, but the Koch's are pretty darn rich, and I think their morals are backwards.

http://emersoncollegepollingsociety.com/ECPS_gunpo...

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/pol...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/16/gun-contr...

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/emerson-co...


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

Nathan , I enjoy debate but one must use honesty, every poll you show a link to is a leftist based source? Gallop is the one with the 4% poll, Also during the state of the union Bing had a running poll of voters pushng buttons as OB spoke and when he got to gun control the numbers from both parties hit rock bottom, meaning the majority voted negative to his speech.

Warren buffet lied to all of us! Warren failed to mention he pays 14% in capital gains tax on his investments, Something Romney and others fail to explain to the common man. No one should have to pay even the 14% on capital gains, why? Because its double dipping by our government! You earn a paycheck and govt takes its cut, then you put what's left into savings and if it earns interest the govt comes back and gets even MORE! You paid your fair share during payroll.........now you took what was left and tried to increase it by investing........our greedy govt wants too much!.......Warren also failed to mention his sec makes over 6 figures!


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Nathan Orf 3 years ago from Virginia

Patriot Quest,

I enjoy honest debate, too. So I was disappointed to find out that you yourself did not engage in "honesty" in regards to the Gallup poll. Sure, there was a 4 percent in relation to gun control. In a response to the question, "What do you think is the most important problem facing this country today?" 4 percent of respondents chose gun control. Nothing on there about whether they supported gun control, though.

I saw no indication of a majority of viewers of Obama's speech "hitting rock bottom" on gun control. It just showed the same old thing; Democrats supported Obama, Republicans opposed him. Most Independents are closet Republicans anyway, so they mostly went with Republicans.

Still, I know what you are trying to get at here, it just wasn't that popular. Maybe because only four percent consider the issue "most important?" If you look at the specifics of the results, they are more complicated. Democrats and most other Americans want stricter gun control, but they want action on the debt and jobs even more. So don't read too much into Bing's results. You may later be disappointed.

Anyway, except for the gun control bit, it was a boring speech. My guess is that much of the audience did not hang around to the end, and didn't even see the final part of it.

"every poll you show a link to is a leftist based source?"

Nice try. Since when is Rasmussen a "leftist source?" It actually has a proven Republican bias.

As for Warren Buffet, I cannot verify what you said about him, nor am I interested in doing that. Frankly, what Buffet does with his money is up to him. The same is true for the Koch Brothers. What do I care? I like Buffet a lot more than the Koch's, because they have a bizarre worldview.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/159830/debt-gov-dysfunc...


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Koch bros practice tyranny, and they use the gvt to do it. 10 yrs they have stopped a wind-farm because Willy has a house on Nantucket Sound. And they use our court system to do it. They can, because they have the money to blow. That is tyranny. Tyranny is owning all the radio stations, so we only hear one point of view, 24/7.

Tyranny is having no choice in phone service, tv, electric, heat,--we pay what they say, or do without.

Tyranny is having the gvt make your private decisions for you....on religious grounds.

No--we have not escaped tyranny at all.

But, what tyranny is NOT is keeping military -grade weapons out of private hands. Nor is it tyranny to make you register, and regulate your guns.

We do it with dogs, for gods sakes, and they don't kill anything for the most part.

Cars, which can be deadly, are regulated, insured and licensed up the wazoo. Do you consider that tyranny too?

Taking into consideration those Americans who wish to see deadly weapons regulated is hardly tyranny.

Talk to me when they outlaw vasectomies.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

All these people worried about the gubmint...the gubmint....Better think again.....widen your horizons.

"Themis, created by the Kochs, is the nation’s most sophisticated, detailed database on every American living, surpassing the most demonic dreams of the FBI."

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/only-you-can-stop-t...


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pagesvoice 3 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border Author

@ Kathleen Cochran - I'm pleased to see you stop in and reply to my article, which apparently has taken off and grown some legs of its own. When I wrote this piece I had no idea whether there would be an attraction for readership or not. I guess the issue of guns, the NRA and calling out chickenhawks strikes a nerve with many.

Many of the people I mentioned were eligible for the draft during the Vietnam War. My point in doing so was to point out that those who scream the loudest for guns, guns and more guns, were also the same people who took their military deferments rather than serving their country in uniform. To me...and again, it is only my opinion...it represents the height of hypocrisy when a person wears a facade of machismo, but did everything in their power to avoid military service during a time of war and the draft.


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

I read your comments and it is if you are all blind? I know why this country is failing. Love my chris is obsessed with Koch brothers, Never mind Kennedys did the same thing about wind farms off the coast of their beach homes, Never mind Gore built a multi million dollar home on the very beach his global warming movie says will not exist in 10 years, never mind Clinton avoided the draft, ..........and you have the nerve to scream hypocrites? When I read your comments I see strife, not resolve or debat? Zoroz does more for the left than Koch does for the right so its all fair in love in war..........give it up for goodness sake!


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pagesvoice 3 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border Author

@ ImKarn23 - I am ecstatic that you have stood up in defense of xstatic. I think there was a bit of confusion going on. I agree 100% with you regarding xstatic.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Oh h to the no, I won't give it up!. All I hear is people screaming "the gvt take-over, gvt take-over ....need my guns, need my guns".....blah blah blah....meanwhile:

"The secretive oil billionaires the Koch brothers are close to launching a nationwide database connecting millions of Americans who share their anti-government and libertarian views, a move that will further enhance the tycoons' political influence and that could prove significant in next year's presidential election.

The database will give concrete form to the vast network of alliances that David and Charles Koch have cultivated over the past 20 years on the right of US politics. The brothers, whose personal wealth has been put at $25bn each, were a major force behind the creation of the tea party movement and enjoy close ties to leading conservative politicians, financiers, business people, media figures and US supreme court judges.

The voter file was set up by the Kochs 18 months ago with $2.5m of their seed money, and is being developed by a hand-picked team of the brothers' advisers. It has been given the name Themis, after the Greek goddess who imposes divine order on human affairs."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/07/koch-b...

did you notice: US Supreme Court Judges!!! Hello.

Add to that Fox "news" and talk-radio: dominated almost 100% by Bircher-types....and wacko's, and the TP hold on the House of Reptiles.

Kill Kill Kill seems to be the motto.

Buy guns, Store guns, get ready for gubmint to get ya.

Please, if Russhhhhh says "Boo", they will turn those guns on anybody who supports Obama, imo! They are so ginned up; and purposely so.

That is the real threat, IMO. So--no, I will not give it up.


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

LOL! Ok then, Then just realize all your efforts are a wash out! Because I'm not giving up either! FYI chris, there WERE liberal radio talk shows..........they all went bankrupt because nobodies buying into the garbage and lies! Just this morning we learn drones will now be flying over our American homes..............how much longer will you continue to fight against truth?


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Who are you working for, may I ask? If you are against the president of the USA.....who are you for?

And libs didn't go bankrupt....even Ed Shultz said RW business men were buying all the stations up. I can attest to this, as I live in a blue state, and all we get on commercial air is RW crap.

1991...Russshhhhh was all you could get anywhere on the dial at 12 noon. Beginning of the onslaught.

Fox news?......watch this: http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=outfoxed&mid=9...

Worried about the gubmint?.....How about Arpaio?...putting pedo's with guns around schools! what about Dorner?... cops are on tape..."burn that M'r F'r"

And how about this:

@jeremyscahill

In 1985, the Philadelphia police department dropped a bomb from a helicopter on the MOVE house http://bit.ly/bOwQPV

**********'You keep selling the idea that the Right is the poor victim of the Left....this is a fallacy of the highest order.

Through stealth and lies, the right has gained control of our world.

This is what I fight against.


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Nathan Orf 3 years ago from Virginia

Patriot Quest,

Truth is a relative concept. It is all in the eyes of the beholder, isn't it? But lovemychris has a good reason to be worried, and so do I. Now, as I've said, I don't mind particularly what the Koch Brothers choose to do with their own money. But I would see less of it in our government, because when big money influences democratic government, that government becomes less democratic.

It seems to me that the unbridled, laissez faire economics promoted by the far-right and the Koch Brothers, is a far greater threat to our democracy and society than the federal government.

Do you like sending your kids to school, instead of to a factory job where they may get their fingers torn off? Thank the government. Do you enjoy drinking clean water, and feeling fairly confident that the food at your dinner table is actually edible? Thank the government. Do you like having a few days off every weekend? Thank the government. Big Businesses did not hand out these privileges because they were feeling charitable that day; they were told to do so by the federal government.

Big money in politics threatens all of that. That is one of many reasons why I dislike the Koch Brothers.


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

Nathan, on paper your reasoning is excellent! Allow me to retort, do you like 24000 farm jobs destroyed and grocery prices skyrocketing over a tiny minnow that has no use and at best lives one year? Thank the government! Are you glad over 10,000 forestry jobs were lost because the wildlife department deemed an owl more worthy than human life and then last year record wildfires destroyed what could have been jobs, homes, business etc..........thank the government! I can go on, but you fail to realize the market will control all of the things you mentioned. Here is another example, If we outlaw minimum wage and McDonalds decides to pay cooks 1 dollar an hour, how many of our unemployed will apply? NONE! Market dictates they can't stay in buisiness at that low a wage. But at 9 dollars the school kids will not get those jobs and the 12 dollar cook will be forced to stay late and clean the store before going home. 2 others lose the knowledge and experience gained in entry level jobs. And become a burden to society......thank government! We are safer due to seat belts? Car makers would have made seat belts as a sales tactic without government, because they all continue to improve. Do you believe small children worked factories because the corporation, or govt forced them before laws were changed? Times change as economies change and people change. When children were forced out of the workplace many families suffered due to the daddys were dead from war..........hence came entitlement.........thank government


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

RW smearing effect: On HubPages, you can see people on forums and on hubs saying the gvt is banning guns.

No one is banning guns: they are phasing out assault rifles of a certain military grade. Hunting and self-defense...no one is touching.

Where do they get this idea?...and why do they believe it?

Who is saying they will take your guns? (duh)

VS...the RW gvt's in the states are, for all intents and purposes, outlawing abortion; which is a Constitutionally guarenteed medical procedure!

WHO is the tyranny??


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Nathan Orf 3 years ago from Virginia

Patriot Quest

Your own reasoning is flawed. Big Agriculture destroys a far greater number of small farmers every year than that tiny minnow you mentioned. (Which, as far as I am aware, is not on the endangered species list.) I have no loyalty to big agriculture, and would much prefer the products from small, honest, decent family farms.

10,000 jobs in exchange for owls... On paper, at least, there is no choice is there? But when you consider that the company in question was planning to cut the entire forest down, then sooner or later, no more jobs. Because when all of the trees are gone, the company would be forced to move on, leaving a town stuck in hard times and a much damaged ecosystem. Not the sort of country I care to live in.

Record wildfires, caused in part by global warming, which you deny even exists. The one smart thing Rubio said in his SOTU response to the President is that the government cannot really expect to "control" weather. Yet you wish me to blame the government for wildfires...

The market has proven an utter disaster at "control." For example, what did it take to prevent air pollution, water pollution and other environmental safeguards? It took the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act, and the EPA. It took government to clean up pollution and therefor keep more Americans healthy enough to go to work every day.

No, they do not become a burden to society, unless you buy into all that "makers vs. takers" baloney. Did you know that people can only remain on welfare for up to five years before they are required to look for jobs? And the rest of those "dependents" are elderly people like my father, whose working days are behind them.

"Do you believe small children worked factories because the corporation, or govt forced them before laws were changed?"

Poverty forced entire families to work for corporations. Government required a minimum wage, and passed child labor laws.

"Times change as economies change and people change."

That statement should read "people change as times change, because economies change."

"When children were forced out of the workplace many families suffered due to the daddys were dead from war..........hence came entitlement.........thank government."

Children were forced out of the workplace because the working conditions were unsuitable for children, and dangerous to them. War touches all families, but has little bearing here. I don't know where this leads to entitlement.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

@Eclectablog

Why do we let a small no. of gun fetishists make the rules? Sign the Petition: Support the Assault Weapons Ban http://fb.me/1QvnV30Zi


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A3-_sY9CYAABREu.jpg

what was it again that killed JFK?.....ahhhhhh, yes


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

Nathan, again I see your sincerity, but I cannot agree, do you like the prices from Walmart better than the mom and pop hardware stores? Same applies to agriculture. Times change and most of the time for the better, I like my I-phone much better than the bag phone I had in the 80s, I no longer need to purchase butter churns and I'm sorry all those butter churn factories are out of business but that's life. Children worked in factories for necessity, now those same families simply pick up their welfare checks, We have made them feel inferior, weak, and helpless,........at least in the old days they had pride and could walk with their chins in the air. They had incentive to do better and get an education and improve their lives, numbers show that is gone. How horrible was it for them back then? All you know is what someone wrote, just like slavery, evertime I hear someone write or speak of slavery, it was nothing but beatings, torture, and cruelity, My families slaves stayed with them until death after being freed, because they were cared for and nurtured. There is nothing wrong with earning a living, no matter the age. My mother fixed hair and cleaned the salon my uncle owned at 13 then went home and cooked for her brothers and sisters and then slept on a trunck at the end of the bed because there weas no room in the bed for her. NEVER has anyone in my family taken a handout..........Welcome to the real America!..........Oh and my mother is 63 and is head of several MHMRs now and makes 6 figures...........Our attitude is if we can everyone can!


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pagesvoice 3 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border Author

@lovemychris & Nathan Orf - You are both AWESOME for not allowing the nonsense to be spewed onto this article. The best oxymoron I can come up with is "the right are wrong." They are blinded by pundits filling their ears with dribble while the hate preachers trot off to their off shore accounts going, one million, 10 million, 40 million dollars more.


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

page, explain to me why it is sinful for Republicans to have wealth but not Democrats? Are you ashamed at Gore for selling out to big oil? I thought he was the hero and stood for something like the myth of global warming? You call this hate talk? If your morals are so high then why not make your own stick to them? ........I guess Gore wasn't as passionate about global warming as the billions he received for selling out?


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

On $1 billion profit, Facebook paid MUCH less than nothing in taxes

12:26 pm February 15, 2013, by Jay

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2013/02/15/o...

********

Dear GOP....we have a revenue problem.

Dare I say: entitlement??


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

Wonder what the facebook recipients purchase and consume in a years time? Look at what they pay in taxes, job creation etc.........besides no matter how much you want to critique, the IRS says that the top 10 percent wage earners pay 80% of all the bills, so no matter how you slice it the rich take care of this country.........can't wait to see how you twist this one.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

The rich take care of themselves. They leave the maintance of this country to the middle class and working poor.

If they paid their correct share in taxes, we would have no need to cut anything. I mean: Adelson is worth 25 billion $--the Kochs a couple Bil each......they alone could stop all cuts in social services, and they would not feel a pinch!

This is not about paying taxes, it is about highway robbery, and the glee of getting away with it. Sick minds. IMO

As we saw when they were in power: the R's put everything on a credit card.

Perhaps you are unaware...their goal has been to "starve the beast".

Shrink gvt to the size is a pellet, then drown it.

Perhaps you aren't aware...they have been after The New Deal since its inception.

Stealth and lies-- their MO.


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

I would like to understand what leave the maintance of this country to the middle class means? lovemychris, what is their correct share? What is the number? I saw a report that said if we took ALL the money from millionaires and above we couldn't pay our bills but for 3 days? The "NEW DEAL" took $29000 out of my check last year, I received a 5% raise and only realized $160 dollars per month? Then I go to grocery stores and see those using welfare to purchase food and then pay cash for cigs and beer? yet they drive the same roads and use the same schools as my kids for free? If we want to talk fairness, shouldn't the poor have to pay SOMETHING? They can't pay 100 bucks a year? Millions upon millions paying zero taxes should have to pay something, don't you think? Why is the burden placed on those who employ thousands of people? And consume goods that create jobs? Where does this obsession come from to destroy the rich? Wouldn't you like to be rich? If there are no rich can you still be rich? Will you still be creative and have ambition? Maybe then then equality will live in utopia like they do in Russia? We can all drive yugos?


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Middle class pays fed, state, FICA on all it's income.

Upper incomes pay fed and state...no FICA on income after 106,000.

Working poor pay FICA....on all their income. More A PERCENTAGE of income than the rich pay.

Brunt is really on those $45-106,000. With tax breaks, loopholes, tax-havens etc....some very wealthy individuals pay hardly anything to this country where they got rich. Mitt Romney, for example,paid 13.9%, while a middle class teacher pays at 28-35%.

The high cost of living is due, in my opinion, to simple greed.

Here we have CEO's who make 231 times as much as the people who DO the work. Then complain about taxes, and the cost of doing business.....take less in profit!

Struggling to eat or pay heat is a reality for a lot of people who work full time + more.

That is unacceptable, and there is 0 reason for it...but GREED.

Capitalists unrestrained have destroyed Capitalism. Stop the madness.

Every citizen counts, and should not go hunry, cold, or uneducated in a nation supposedly founded to form a more perfect union!

We have sickness of mind. Egged on by those in a quest for more and more profit. They are sick. Why fan on mental illness?

Let's make them whole. They are in need of help. As the ole Cree saying goes: only after you have destroyed everything will you discover that money can't be eaten!

Stop the madness.


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

You are right that Romney only pays 13.9 and working families pay more! But your not being fair to any of them. That 13.9 is the same tax rate the working family pays on interest earned in savings. It is called capital gains! You see when Romeny was getting a paycheck like the rest of us working smucks he too was taxed the same as the rest of us. He used his money left over after government robbed him to invest, any money made on investments (never mind that money was already taxed) got taxed AGAIN at the 13.9 %..........its called double dipping by government! If you put 100 bucks in savings and make some interest you too will pay 13.9% tax..........it should make you angry because you were already taxed on the money you saved to put in savings in the first place!


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Gvt ROBBED him? If that is your view of America....why in god's name are you here?

Personally, I think business Robs Americans.....they pay suxy wages, and balk at any progress....

Have they any idea what it is to have a sick child, who can't go to school? No sick pay here baby....No nannies to watch the child.

You're sick: tuff dirt.

CEO needs a new vacation home??

Just cut wages, or up the prices.

It's 100% bs, and we need a change of diapers. It's not liberals who are doper babies, it's business/bank execs!

We work: they profit.

They profit: balk at taxes: leave for cheaper workers:...Get out of here!!

We are working towards a more perfect union, not a haven for robber barons!


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pagesvoice 3 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border Author

@ lovemychris - I am elated you not only stopped in, read and commented on this piece, but you have continued to fend off the naysayers. Those on the extreme right are caught off guard when confronted with opposition. The incendiary flames of fear and "what ifs" shoot out of their mouths like a napalm attack on those who question them. The stench of the Koch's influence is nauseating, to say the least. We need to continually remind people what they are all about and their motives. You, my friend are doing just that and I thank you.


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pagesvoice 3 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border Author

@ Freeway Flyer - I appreciate you taking time out of your day to read and comment. I love your analysis of gun ownership creating an illusion of security. It's well known how ludicrous LaPierre's remark that the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is by having a good guy with a gun. No pun intended, but his argument is riddled with holes. The good guys, i.e. Secret Service didn't stop Kennedy's assassination, Reagan and Brady being shot, the police who were wounded/killed by Dorner, nor did former Navy Seal Kris Kyle and his neighbor armed and at a shooting range stop their own assassin. This whole atmosphere engineered by many who I named reminds me when I played guns and war as a kid. The difference now is these are grown men doing so with military assault weapons.


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pagesvoice 3 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border Author

@ Patriot Quest - Thank you for taking an active role in the ongoing discussion regarding the article I have presented. I purposely didn't mention any democrats because by and large they are not marching to the false drumbeat of chickenhawks and the NRA.

What the right tried to do to John Kerry was deplorable and despicable. Furthermore, where/how do you come up with such a ludicrous conclusion that the State of the Union address shows a nation of weakness? You know what weakness I witnessed during the State of the Union? I saw weakness when the right wouldn't stand for education, violence against women, beefing up our infrastructure and raising the minimum wage. The mentality of those on the right is a "with us or against us" one, leaving little to no room for compromise. To me, that kind of thinking is about as unpatriotic as it gets.


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pagesvoice 3 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border Author

@ lovemychris - Amen.


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pagesvoice 3 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border Author

@ xstatic - You are so right (oops, maybe the wrong word here) regarding the vicious attack on John Kerry's military record. What those "Swiftboaters" did was disgusting!


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Liberals have been ridiculed and character assasinated so much these past 13 years, we have stopped speaking up! I am so happy to see hubs like this pagesvoice----where we don't let their smear-campaign stop our pov.

It's uncanny, the treatment we receive from the right...on any site!!

The charges of hater and liar....and the ones on Obama are far worse.

But the heinous things they say are always characterized by them as "patriotic".

That phony game has been going on long enough.....they and their mouthpieces in the media get away with murder.

Shame on that crowd: though they have none.

And changing the guard and "re-branding" won't help a thing.

I do believe Obama nailed it: it's putting Lipstick on a Pig.


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yankeeintexas 3 years ago from Lubbock, Texas

I am not going to sit here and say that I am a huge supporter of the NRA due to the fact that they did a pee poor job argueing in defense of the 2nd amendment after Sandhook! As an American I am very concerned for my rights and how many of my rights (not just the 2nd Amendment) will the government take away. I am also worried about the safety and security of my children when they are at school, and playing around the neighborhood. I strongly feel that both sides need to stop these school yard fights and really find a solution that will keep guns away from the those that should not have them, and protect the rights of every law bidding American (which includes the rights of those that disagree with me)!


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

I think Obama suggested them: universal background checks, phasing out gorilla guns (military assault rifles)

And I see where Arne Duncan and the woman in charge of health(name?) are going to start pushing mental health issues.

Are these really such tyrannical ideas that Obama should be impeached for them?

No one impeached Ronnie Rayguns. And he didn't let people carry guns in public!!

No one impeached Clinton (for guns).

NRA is a subversive organization. They work to undermine democracy. Especially if you are a woman, or person of color....just look at their board members! Yikes.

And here we have a prez who is of color, and who is highly favorable of woman's rights.....HIM they want to impeach! Co-inky-dink? I think not.

Subversives are the NRA. IMO

you might even say insurgents ;-)


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

short and sweet:

@TheDailyEdge

#YouMightBeARepublican If you think a background check for gun buyer is an assault on liberty, but an unnecessary transvaginal probe is A-OK

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Corporate profits at new highs as compensation falls to lowest % of GDP since 1955; latest sign that US workers not being paid a #LivingWage

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@drgrist

Is Obama’s nominee for CIA Director, John Brennan, a secret Muslim traitor? Glenn Beck's just asking questions. http://bit.ly/VnEUtY

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Sickness of mind!!!


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

@maxkeiser

Minimum wage laws are the people’s Federal Reserve Bank. Corporate America could easily pay $100 an hour for labor. http://maxkeiser.com/2013/02/17/minimum-wage-laws-...


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pagesvoice 3 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border Author

@ Justsilvie - One thing I neglected to mention in the article I wrote was the fact I do believe in the 2nd Amendment. However, like anything, I think we should impose some common sense rules, while still enforcing the 2nd Amendment.

In New York State, for instance, if a person holds a driver's license and has a stroke with paralysis or some brain damage, the doctor then notifies the Department of Motor Vehicles and that person's license is suspended until cleared by the physician. Why then is it so hard for the NRA to understand the same thing should be done with background checks for gun ownership? Mental issues, domestic violence reports, and repeat DWI offenders should not be owning firearms.


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pagesvoice 3 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border Author

@ Patriot Quest - It is a shame many on the right and the NRA keep feeding into the din of fear, scare, shock and awe. They skip along through life blindly buying lock, stock and barrel the drivel doled out nonstop by right wing pundits.

I do not want to live in a country that sets its sights on making everything an armed fortress. Schools are not meant to be armed camps. Rather they are a place to teach and to learn. My wife has taught school for over 38 years and the day she is required to carry a gun into her classroom will be the last day she teaches. This is the mindset perpetrated by the right...arm everyone and anyone...and to me it is so wrong on so many levels.


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pagesvoice 3 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border Author

@ yankeeintexas - First I want to say that I got a kick out of your user name. You must feel like you are living in a foreign country if you are a Yankee in Texas. Secondly, I'm glad you popped in and added to the commentary going on here.

I think lovemychris offered up the most reasonable response regarding universal background checks on everyone who wants to purchase a firearm. Gun shows are an open market for just about anyone purchasing a weapon and going out the door, armed to the hilt and no one the wiser about their past. That is frightening to me and to the majority of our citizens.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Let's also insure guns so they have some liability when death and injury occur.

Cripes, my car insurance is $2,945. a yr......$331 of it is mine: the rest my daughter! Why?.........liabilty.

Yet--a gun owner is not insured nor liable? Unless THEY choose to do so because the gun is worth something?

nononononono, that must change!

And--having spent time in a protective line....listening to young women being screamed at as "baby-killers"....

Let's change the dialogue on guns, shall we?

Guns kill. Owners want the right to do so, should they so choose.

They demand the right to kill. Let's get it straight.

And, after Sandy Hook, perhaps "baby-killer" should be applied to gun-owners as well?

I mean....as Romney said: what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander......

I'm sure some will say this is too divisive--and, why can't you be nice?

However, the wounds inflicted by the Right are deep and traumatic. When they STOP, then we can talk nice.

Until then, the meek get run over by the strong.


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pagesvoice 3 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border Author

On a positive note, the venom spewing, homophobic, sexist, racist, low life of a human, Rush Limbaugh is losing advertisers left and right. Maybe there is hope for all of us. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/17/1187561/-...


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Yet another example of people who say Obama admn is tyrannical, but it was W's admn that fined Howard Stern off the air!

FCC under Bush catered to the Christian Right. But, how is it the Christian Right are fine with Rush?

If the FCC simply fined Russsshhhhhhh like they fined Stern back in W's days....he'd already be gone.

Fortunately, Obama won't.

But, the boycott is grand. Maybe Rush can go live in the Dominican Republic, get rid of his beard wife, and be true to himself.....(allegations)

The sin is that people do it all for money.

He has caused irreperable damage. And, for what?

If he truly believes the things he says about Obama---how is it that he missed Bush?

Money. Just as Fox. Hiring Scott Brown, and Dennis Kucinich.....and Pizza man! Far right kooks are out of favor now....so, time to switch gears.

Ka-Ching.


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

love my chris,

When you started talking about daycare and sick pay, I knew I had you pegged, you have the same attitude all failing liberals have in this country.......you throw your hands up and give up, blaming everyone EXCEPT YOURSELF!......I wrote a hub for you titled they still can, You might find something in it to help your life.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Uh huh...guess it is my fault I had the baby instead of aborting!

You people gotta make up your mind...

Either the pay goes up, or YOU quit complaining!

YOU are subsidizing big business!

YOU!

It is impossible to pay daycare and rent and heat and car insurance and food on the wages they pay here. In fact, Huffpo had an article that state in reality---you need $21.53 an hr to make it these days.

And why? Why, cause the cost of living is so high, and the wages are so low! And why? Why, so CEOs can make 251 times as much as the workers!

You want it all ways....Force women to have kids they can't afford, Refuse to help them when the kids are here, Refuse to look at the REAL problem: Big Business and greed.

Walmart.....Billions in profit. Workers make so little, must apply for food stamps and go on public health insurance......

YOU are subsidizing Walmart!

You Baglicans best make up your minds.

You want no abortion, no birth control and no livable wage......

What exactly DO you want???


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Patriot Quest 3 years ago from America

lovemychris,

please read the hub I suggested.............My mother fixed hair and cleaned a beauty salon at the age of 13 then walked home and cooked and cleaned for 3 siblings, she then slept on top of a trunk at the end of a tiny bed full of children, in her grandmothers shack, both parents abandoned them................today my mother is 63 makes six figures and is well respected...........did I mention she was discriminated against multiple times because she was over weight? It not your fault you had the baby instead of aborting...............its your fault you got pregnant in the first place! Now do like the rest of us and suck it up and make it happen instead of walloring in self pity! Give me a break? You think your the only one? Daily I hear you complain about the pay of CEOs? how many CEOS are there ? a thousand? There are millioins of people in this country! Wages are dictated by the market not govt....................don't like your pay? Change it!


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

Ahahaha!

Sure thing. "Boss--I want more money"

Boss----go find another job.

"Boss--I can't come in today, my child is sick."

How many times you think this will fly?

And h to the NO am I the only one! Most of the country is like this now, thanks to the greed of the corporate world, and W's tax cuts and skank wars.

Thank fully, we have Obama there, and are slowly creeping back.

BTW--it is NONE of your business if I have sex, or if I terminate a pregnancy...do you see that? That is my private life. Northing to do with you at all.


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pagesvoice 3 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border Author

@ Patriot Quest - Whoa...let's hold up here on going for the jugular. These forays back and forth were NOT the intent of this article. Mutual respect is my intent here, even if parties do not agree philosophically, politically or morally.

Your mother is my age and I too know what it was like earning a money at a young age. I was picking in segregated farm fields at the age of 12. I didn't do it because I was deprived, rather I did that back breaking work because I wanted my own money. However, my parents wanted to teach me the value of money and I could only keep half of what I earned with the rest going into a savings account. Furthermore, on my 13th birthday when I received money from relatives, I wasn't allowed to have any of it. Instead, the entire amount was invested in American Standard stock. I was taught discipline and the value of a dollar. I married at a young age and my wife and I kept our expenses in cash envelopes. One for rent, groceries, transportation, utilities, even a stipend for entertainment. So what was the end result? Well, we had a brand new house built at the ripe old age of 22.

My point in the above is simply this...I worked 2 and 3 jobs and went to college at night, all in an effort to be a good provider and to pull my wife and growing family into the ranks of the middle class. Yes, we achieved our goals. HOWEVER, that was then and this is now. Things, times and employer and employee relations have changed. I extend a helpful hand, not for a tax write off, but because I understand these are horribly different times. The corporate greed mentality has taken over and despite what you believe to be true, the fact of the matter is there are hundreds of thousands of CEOs out there. "No" not all are bad, but with Wall Street's involvement, many have changed.

Now, to get back to why I have gone on too long here. You, young man, have NO RIGHT whatsoever, to question/personally assault lovemychris on the birth of her child. Why was this child's birth her fault? Where does the male play a role? Condoms? Hello? Any male hear of that modern technology?

My point is easy. This is about machismo, cowards, chest beating and the NRA. Please let's leave the responses to the subject matter presented and NOT personal attacks.


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lovemychris 3 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

It's not even my child...it's my grandson. I've raised mine and gone. So, I speak form current reality, not by-gone days.

And this week, they have a week's vacation from school.

That means sat,sun,mo,tue,wed,th,fri,sat,sun.....to do what, pray tell if I was working?

As it is, soon I will have to find somewhere for him......but it takes 1/2 my check for it.

And the wing and a prayer that he doesn't get sick....ever.

For a country that claims to "love" children, I could laugh.

Obama's Idea of high-quality universal day-care is a true god-send for those who need it.

And for all the latch-kid babies and little children, whose lives are empty....not because their mommy had them, but because it is such a struggle and hell once they are born.

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