Strip Lieberman of Citizenship

Senator Joe Lieberman, I-Conn.
Senator Joe Lieberman, I-Conn.

Strip This Joe!

 Every time Joe Lieberman opens his mouth lately I become more and more disappointed that Al Gore ever chose him as his running mate in 2000. I was offended when he left the Democratic party after losing the Democratic nomination for his senate seat a few years ago. I was even more offended when the former Democratic VP candidate was actively stumping for John McCain against President Obama. Now I am offended that this man is even an American citizen, because his views are so out of step with what I thought America stood for.

Lieberman, responding to the arrest of the suspect behind a ill-fated bombing attempt in New York, is reported to be working on legislation that would strip citizenship of Americans whom the State Department considers to be part of a foreign terrorist organization.

So much for innocent until proven guilty, huh? In this scenario, there will never be a trial! It will be some hack at the State Department that will decide this person's fate.

Can you imagine poor Ali Haji Mok Mohammed, born in New York, who receives a letter telling him because he buys bagels from a Pakistani-American in NYC, and that Pakistani-American has been linked to an obscure terror group, that you are no longer an American citizen? Or would they even bother sending a letter? Probably not. Instead, poor Ali Haji would find out at the same time that he is being taken into custody by federal agents, and since he has been stripped of his citizenship is not read his miranda rights, before being shipped off to Cuba before the news breaks that he has been arrested.

Taking Lieberman's words literally, an American, born in America, could be stripped of their citizenship simply because someone who we never had the opportunity to vote for decides is a member of a terrorist organization. What about checks and balances? Talk about putting an enormous amount of power in the hands of people who are not popularly elected!

Republicans this week have been floating the idea that the explosion on the oil rig 50 miles off the Louisiana coast may have been an inside job to persuade Obama from expanding offshore drilling. Talk about your conspiracy theories! But hey, if it works for them, let's start this rumor. Faisal Shahzad, the suspect who has been singing like a bird even after law enforcement officials read him his rights, was put up to it by ultra-conservative neo-nazi fascist pigs who are looking to create a crisis so they can have an excuse to label anyone who opposes their reactionary views as non-Americans, stripping them of their rights as citizens of these United States.

Personally, I think we should declare Joe Lieberman a terrorist, strip him of his citizenship, so he could not hold office, and ship him off to Guantanamo!

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American Romance 6 years ago from America

sooooooo your saying you dont want suspected terrosist stripped of citizenship? hmmmmmmm, do you want suspected child molestors living next door to you?


Ross Wolf 6 years ago

Who is Behind Sen. Joe Lieberman’s Proposed Fascist Legislation?

Sen. Joe Lieberman has already endorsed McCain’s March 4th bill S.3081 that would strip Americans of Habeas corpus: Under the McCain bill, U.S. Government would need only designate an American Citizen was an “Unprivileged Enemy Belligerent” suspected of; having engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners; or purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States or U.S. civilians to cause their indefinite detention in military custody, without right to an attorney or trial.

Joe Lieberman’s proposed bill would make it easy to strip Americans of their Citizenship and hold them as “Unprivileged Enemy Belligerents” as U.S. Government would only have to show a U.S. Citizen or group had slight-interaction with a foreign group that touched a terrorist organization, for example Irish Americans living on the east coast of the United States contacting their alleged IRA relatives in Northern Ireland. Since many political groups intersect, even unknowingly with alleged terrorists, Lieberman’s bill would make it possible for a U.S. Government administration to do large sweeps of U.S. Citizens denying Americans Habeas corpus, to try them in military tribunals. One might want to ask who put Lieberman up to introducing this fascist bill that favors Israel. It should be noted Joe Lieberman’s June 4th endorsement of McCain’s bill S.3081, The “Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010” strips Americans of Habeas corpus; there appears to be a pattern here between McCain and Lieberman legislation. McCain’s bill S.3081 would eliminate several Constitutional protections allowing Government to arbitrarily pick up Americans on mere suspicion—with no probable cause. Your political opinions and statements made against U.S. Government could be used by Authorities to deem you a “hostile” “Enemy Belligerent” to cause your arrest and indefinite detention. S.3081 is so broadly written innocent anti-war protesters and Tea Party Groups might be arrested and detained just for attending demonstrations; Government could charge that attending demonstrations "materially supported hostilities."

McCain’s legislation S.3081 could like Lieberman’s proposed bill be used by a corrupt U.S. government administration to crush anyone that dared question government. Under McCain’s S.3081, an “individual” need only be Suspected by Government of “suspicious activity” or “supporting hostilities” to be dragged off and held indefinitely in Military Custody. Government would have the power to detain and interrogate any individual including Americans without probable cause. Government need only allege an individual kept in detention, is an Unprivileged Enemy Belligerent suspected of; having engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners; or has purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States; its coalition partners; or against U.S. civilians. How could one prove to Government they did not purposely do something? “Materially Supporting Hostilities” against the United States could include any person or group that spoke out or demonstrated disapproval against an agency of U.S. Government. It is foreseeable many Americans might go underground to Resist Government Tyranny. Definition for Unprivileged Enemy Belligerent: (Anyone Subject to a Military Commission)

At least under the Patriot Act, law enforcement generally needed probable cause to detain a person indefinitely. Passage of S.3081 will permit government to use “mere suspicion” to curtail an individual’s Constitutional Protections against unlawful arrest, detention and interrogation without benefit of legal counsel and trial. According to S.3081 Government is not required to provide detained individuals U.S. Miranda Warnings or even an attorney. It is problematic under McCain’s S.3081 that detained individuals in the U.S. not involved in terrorism or hostile activities, not given Miranda Warnings or allowed legal counsel will be prosecuted for ordinary crimes because of their alleged admissions while in military custody.

S.3081 if passed will frighten Americans from speaking out. S.3081 is so broadly written, it appears any “individual” who writes on the Internet or verbally express an opinion against or an entity of U.S. Government or its coalition partners might be detained on the basis he or she is an “unprivileged enemy belligerent”, “supporting hostilities against U.S. Government.” The “supporting hostilities” provisions in S.3081 are so broad Government could use “suspicion” to detain U.S. corporate executives on the premise their corporations “supported hostilities” by providing goods or services to a nation engaged in hostilities against the United States.

(Make Your Own Determination If The Analysis Herein Is Correct) See McCain’s 12-page Senate bill S.3081 at:

assets.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/politics/ARM10090.pdf


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crashcromwell 6 years ago from Florida Author

Any person is a potential child molestor. It's the ones that are found guilty that I worry about. Likewise, in a land where people are purported to be innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, I assert that it flies in the face of our basic rights to say that a bureaucrat should be able to strip a person of their citizenship without a trial.

Put yourself in this position. How would you like it if I was hired to work in the state department, and I decided to define a terrorist as anyone who believes using guns to settle disputes? Let's say you are a proponent of the second amendment. I'll bet you would be hopping mad if I decided to strip you of your citizenship for that reason. Yet our judicial system was founded under the premise that the founding fathers would have preferred to let 100 guilty men go free than to have one person unjustly convicted. In this scenario, because an individual has been accused of terrorism, this penalty can be assessed even if the case never goes to trial!

Let's cut to the chase here. Lieberman wants to strip accused terrorists of their citizenship so law enforcement will not be forced to read suspected terrorists their miranda rights. This is a bold-faced attempt to circumvent the supreme court decision to require all accused people be read their rights.

Jim Henry


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crashcromwell 6 years ago from Florida Author

Thank you for your thoughtful analysis Ross. It is clear you have done your homework!

Jim


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vrajavala 5 years ago from Port St. Lucie

Your comments about being disappointeds in Liebermann are ludicrous due to his changing parties. Anyone who commits treason is subject to the death penalty. Areyou aware of that?


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vrajavala 5 years ago from Port St. Lucie

Your comments about being disappointeds in Liebermann are ludicrous due to his changing parties. Anyone who commits treason is subject to the death penalty. Are you aware of

that?

BTW, are you aware that Thomas Jefferson's own VP, Aaron Burr, was charged with treason, and then escaped to England?


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crashcromwell 5 years ago from Florida Author

Vrajala - Thank you for your comments. However, I must draw some distinctions. First, my reasoning for being upset that Gore chose Leiberman as his running mate is because of his changing philosophies, not his changing parties. The fact is that Leiberman became a greater ally to help push through the priorities of the man he was first chosen to help to defeat than of Democratic priorities.

Also, your comment about Aaron Burr is misleading. As you are no-doubt aware, a man is innocent until proven guilty. In Burr's case, he may have been charged with treason, but you fail to mention that he was found not guilty in that trial. You also say he escaped to Europe, but his reasoning for leaving for Europe had as much to do with debts he had with American creditors than anything political. Finally, you failed to mention that Burr actually returned to the United States in 1812, and he remained here practicing law in New York until his death in 1833.

Jim Henry, aka Crash Cromwell


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crashcromwell 5 years ago from Florida Author

Vrajala - Thank you for your comments. However, I must draw some distinctions. First, my reasoning for being upset that Gore chose Lieberman as his running mate is because of his changing philosophies, not his changing parties. The fact is that Lieberman became a greater ally to help push through the priorities of the man he was first chosen to help to defeat than of Democratic priorities.

Also, your comment about Aaron Burr is misleading. As you are no-doubt aware, a man is innocent until proven guilty. In Burr's case, he may have been charged with treason, but you fail to mention that he was found not guilty in that trial. You also say he escaped to Europe, but his reasoning for leaving for Europe had as much to do with debts he had with American creditors than anything political. Finally, you failed to mention that Burr actually returned to the United States in 1812, and he remained here practicing law in New York until his death in 1833.

Jim Henry, aka Crash Cromwell

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