What is Matriarchy? What if women ruled the world?

Guru Rasa Von Werder says matriarchy is the way forward

The other night I was practising guitar and I had just finished singing my cover version of U2's hit I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For. I decided to have a look online to see if I could find any David Icke videos I hadn't as yet seen, and many of you will know that I am a supporter of his work.

I didn't find any but I did discover a series of videos by Guru Rasa Von Werder enthusiastically promoting David and his work.

I was very impressed and went to watch her other videos (well, some of them - there are hundreds!) and to have a look at her main site. What stood out to me so strongly was how well Guru Rasa presented what she had to say - with so much positivity and energy, honesty and charisma.

By the way, since originally publishing this Rasa's account got deleted at YouTube and she lost all her videos. This is typical of the attacks she faces and has prevailed against. She has also had her account at Facebook removed as many as four times but she is back there now as Voice of MotherGod RasavonWerder.

Guanche female images

Guanche Princesa Dacil fountain in La Orotava
Guanche Princesa Dacil fountain in La Orotava
Guanche female goddess figure
Guanche female goddess figure

William Bond

I could understand what she was talking about and agreed with most of it and then I found that she knew my old friend William Bond. Not only that but she features William's books on matriarchy on her main site.

The basic idea is that long ago the world was run in a matriachal way and that there were no male gods but rather a Mother Goddess and that all humans and all living things were her children that she loved equally and unconditionally. The world was a happy place then and was in what has been described as a Golden Age. There were no wars, no slavery, no violence.The Mother Goddess became known by many names, many of which she is still called today like Isis and Mary.

Where I live in the Canary Islands the original inhabitants known as the Guanches had respect for a female deity and there are female goddess figures that have survived, but these people had their peaceful culture systematically destroyed by the patriarchal Spanish conquistadors who brought the Catholic religion, the cross, slavery, violence and death. It's the same old story all over the world.

The Guanche culture was not a matriarchal one but they clearly had great respect for the female. On the island of Gran Canaria there were priestesses known as "harimaguadas" It is interesting to consider that the patron of the Canary Islands is Mother Mary. In the basilica in Candelaria on Tenerife she is a Black Madonna.

Over a period of time men brought a changeover from matriarchal to the patriachal system and religions worldwide. Today we have Christianity, Catholicism, Judaism and Islam as the main patriarchal religions. We learn in the holy books how God punishes mortals and we get introduced to the threat of Hell and the reward of Heaven. We hear about religious wars, we read of commandments and terrible penalties for sinners who fail to obey them. We are taught that male priests are the mediators between God and the people.

There is no more talk of a Mother Goddess. There is no more unconditional love of the Mother Creator but in place there are rules and punishments, commands and threats.

Not only that but patriarchy tends to teach that some people are better than others and that God has a "chosen race." Patriarchy has brought about racism and slavery and warfare, genocide, conquest and domination. Patriarchy has also taught that animals have no souls and that they are for our use. And patriarchy has taught that there is an evil spirit known as Satan, the Devil. The Devil is male too and he has demons to help him. The Bible story paints the woman as bad because Eve was led astray by Satan.

But that was just a beginning of the systematic suppression of women that has continued down to today and I am sure you can all think of many examples of how women have been treated very unfairly and still are.

This patriarchal world is the one we have all been brought up in and we all bear its scars.The world has been run for thousands of years by men. The terrible mess it is in now is the end product of a world run by men and their patriarchal system of control.

The matriarchal way would be for women to be the leaders and this is proposed as the way forward to heal the world and get it back in harmony as it was originally intended.

Mother Earth is another way of expressing the Mother Goddess. She gives birth to all life here and fills the world with colour and diversity and wonder. The male world by comparison seeks to create sameness and control of the many by the most powerful men. In order to do this warfare, torture and suffering are all just tools of the patriachal way.

Why Women Should Rule the World by William Bond

Weapons of Mass Destruction and Depleted Uranium

Speaking of tools and battles between males, whilst many animals have agressive males that fight over territory and for mates none of them have at their disposal the terrible tools that men have made that are known as weapons. Weapons of mass destruction are a tool used by patriarchal males.

Many people both men and women claim that both sexes are equal and that a world ruled by women would be no better. What such people fail to acknowledge is that the military machine, the wars, the super weaponry and the weapons of mass destruction are all in the hands of men and created by men. They never hold up the names of any women scientists who invented terrible weapons, presumably because there are none. Atomic bombs are a creation of men! Depleted uranium used in weaponry and that persists for billions of years was used by men!

Bearing all these things in mind, many years back I became friends with William Bond, who fully believes in the matriarchal way to save the world. I had the book he wrote with Pamela Suffield - Gospel of the Goddess. By finding him on Guru Rasa's site I have got back in touch with him. William is now a popular hubber too and has written a lot about Matriarchy in hubs like this one: http://wabond.hubpages.com/hub/Why-We-Need-Matriarchy

And, aptly considering the song I had been singing, Guru Rasa is who I was looking for because for many years I have been saying where are the women authors and speakers who write and talk about alternative history and conspiracy theories? Now I have found that she does so.

But should the world be ruled by women? I'll leave you to decide on that.

Here's a site all about the subject:

http://matriarchlifestyle.webs.com/

And finally, below you will see a filmed interview with a truly remarkable lady, the Reverend Olivia Robertson who is the 95-year-old co-founder of the Fellowship of Isis.

Fellowship Of Isis Interviews: M. Reverend Olivia Robertson

© 2008 Steve Andrews

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mistyhorizon2003 8 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

Really interesting stuff Steve, and yes, the world might be a calmer and more peaceful place if women ran it I reckon.


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Bard of Ely 8 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thanks, Cindy! I would say it would be for sure! Margaret Thatcher and now Sarah Palin in the US would not be the types of women wanted as rulers though! They run a continuation of the male system.


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Misha 8 years ago from DC Area

LOL guys, look at teen girls, just for reality check :D


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mistyhorizon2003 8 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

Hey Bard, I couldn't agree more, Maggie was an evil so'n'so, and for her to run the world would have been a recipe for disaster, the rich would have got richer and the poor poorer.

Sarah Palin doesn't even believe in Global Warming, so another disaster waiting to happen if she ran the world.

Misha, I doubt teen girls with no life experience was quite the type of rulers Bard had in mind, heaven forbid :)


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Misha 8 years ago from DC Area

LOL I mean they are mean! They did not learn to conceal it yet, and they are way meaner than boys on average - and is it the kind of a character trait we want to see on the top?


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robie2 8 years ago from Central New Jersey

Men may rule the world, but women rule the universe:-) and the hand that rocks the cradle really does rule the world. Lady MacBeth was no cupcake.

Sorry Bard, I don't think a world ruled by women would necessarily be more peaceful. We are just as aggressive and competetive as you guys are, we just go at it in a different way. I think we could mess things up just as badly as men have, we would just do it in a female fashion. I don't buy that golden age of the goddess stuff. Interesting hub though and a big thumbs up.


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CJStone 8 years ago from Whitstable, UK

No I don't buy the idea that if women ruled the world it would be a better place either. You mention Maggie Thatcher and Sarah Palin, I'd like to add Condoleeza Rice to that list. It's that right-brain/left-brain consciousness stuff again: meaning we all have to go through a change of consciousness, men and women, before we learn how to make the world a better place. Interesting thoughts though Steve. I wouldn't want a world ruled by David Icke either.


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marisuewrites 8 years ago from USA

Women rule? (I thought we already did) LOL

<Mother Earth is another way of expressing the Mother Goddess. She gives birth to all life here and fills the world with colour and diversity and wonder.>

I like that ...

You know, looking back on all the 250+ foster kids....we always thought the girls were the most difficult. hmm this is a full of thought provoking info --

i don't want to rule; I like to have input, and would probly just rather rock the cradle...

my maiden name is Bond.


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Shadesbreath 8 years ago from California

Women did rule, they ruled through the mystic nature of bringing forth life for many thousands of years.  Prior really to the evidence of Gilgamesh and the Greek pantheon, cthonic culture was the norm.  So, whether women are better leaders or not, the bottom line is that male's could not be held in check for whatever reason after a certain time.  I believe it came with the male curiosity that finally, after so much time, turned stone working into an art... and, well, there went the female gods.   Any semi-indepth study into the mythology of the west will show how the feminine power was transformed spiritually from one of life bringing to one of threat (just look at the myths... evil female serpents, gorgons, sirens... hell, look what Gaia did to poor Uranus.  Apollo is all about beating down the evil chick etc. It's how he got his start.)

My point is not to say that women are kinder or sweeter (a few have already suggested that that hypthosis might not pan out over time -cough-Cleopatra-cough-) but to suggest that, a world with women ruling countries for the purpose of making babies pretends that groups of not-stupid men won't be conspiring in secret to take them out and regain control.  Which in turn means taht women will have to employ men (or adopt aggressive thought processes themselves) to counter these threats... meaning, well, you are right back to a military reality. 

You have to get rid of men to rid the world of alpha-male syndrom.  And, even though I agree with William Bond's assessment that religion isn't up to the trick, I'd say that the core of the brilliant faiths already understood this complexity.  Bond falls apart because he suggests at the outset that religion pretended it had a solution for human behavoir and psychology.  It doesn't adn never claimed it did.  Most of the good ones just point out how it works and suggest ways to mitigate the damage, ableit with the hope that everyone might end up on that same mitigating page.

Anyway, another great hub Bard, one worthy of spending time, even if we aren't exactly on the same page again.


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spryte 8 years ago from Arizona, USA

Sorry Shade...I don't agree.  I doubt very much that in a matriarchal society, females would ever devolve into a militaristic force.  That's not to say that they might not develop a different form of dominance...but it would never be accomplished by brute force. 

As for some of your examples...I think the Greek and Roman gods were heavily weighted to favor men.  But at least they had the sense to give wisdom the form of a goddess.  :) 


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Shadesbreath 8 years ago from California

That's my whole point, Spryte.  The cthonic gods came BEFORE the Greek gods.  The whole advent of the early Greek pantheon was an exercise to discredit them.. just as Christianity and Islam had to work so very hard to discredit and write out the poly-theistic and pagan gods.  I might not have written it well enough up there, but that was entirely my point.  The conclusion being that matriarchy already had its time and patriarchy came about with the advent of better tools.  Basically it came down to a guy with a really sharp stone-tipped spear and a female shaman standing before the jaw-dropped villagers around the camp fire one night.  She said, "Mother earth will curse you and bring forth no more life."  And he said, "Yeah well, father spear is going to bring forth death if you don't shut your face."   End of story (at least for the last 4 thousand years or so).

And women will have no choice but employ militaristic strategies so long as there are men alive.  I'm not saying men aren't a-holes, I'm just saying, you can't impose peace just by having nice mommy types as president.  As long as there's one country with a dumb man who needs to prove how awesome he is, matriarchy will be forced to resort to male means.


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spryte 8 years ago from Arizona, USA

LOL! What...you think I'm suggesting that a woman should bake a bunch of cookies and that will get everyone to toe the line? Hell no. Women are masters...or mistresses rather...of mental torture. Why bomb a country when you can guilt it into behaving?

And what are you saying...the patriarchal society developed because of a primitive form of Snap On Tools? As in..."He with the most tools rules?" You have proof that it was really a man that invented the wheel? What use did primitive man have for the wheel? All they did every day was go out and kill stuff...while the woman as the gatherer would realize that someday she might need a shopping cart...and of course you can't have a cart without the wheel.


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Shadesbreath 8 years ago from California

Look, as far as I'm concerned women posses all the power that they need being that they get to control sex pretty much entirely. Particularly in the west where the violence of the male has been criminalized and pretty much elimnated except for super rare cases now. Alpha males used to get chicks because they were the big monkey on the branch (Ok, go check out the video on BT's hub in the comments lol)... but we've pretty much made being an alpha male embarassing anymore. So, it's already a matriarchy. Guys run the big companies still... for now, but that's about it. You're already taking over. Frankly, I am amazed that women don't even see how huge their victory is as it unfolds. It will only continue to head towards matriarchy until such time as some large, terrible enemy decimates us and sends us back to a more primitive state where brute strength is needed again.


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spryte 8 years ago from Arizona, USA

:P Yeah...I caught that video and obviously the smaller monkey ended up being the star (isn't that always the case).

Nah...I'm not going to be baited into arguing over whether or not women are actually in charge or not. I simply can't explain why women hold the majority of the buying power in the U.S. and yet, advertisers still cater to the primal urge of the male. The mind boggles.


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Shadesbreath 8 years ago from California

I'll give you that and let it lie.

/wave at Bard of Ely (we were having fun)


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spryte 8 years ago from Arizona, USA

/wave at Bard of Ely too

See...just fun *hugs Shade like a teddy bear*


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Shalini Kagal 8 years ago from India

I think women can be very ruthless when in power - we've had a woman Prime Minister :)

So maybe just rock the cradle and be the power behind the throne?


Ananta65 8 years ago

How nice to witness the battle of the sexes here. Apparently it doesn’t really make a difference, does it? As long as either of the sexes is looking for victory, there’s a battle.

So, to answer your question, Steve. Matriarchy or Patriarchy? I still think I’d go for Uniarchy. The whole Yin and Yang thing :)


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Bard of Ely 8 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Gosh. what a lot of replies! Thank you everyone!

I think the point being that Thatcher, Palin, Rice and the "teen girls" are all products of and manipulated by a patriarchal system and values needs to be considered.


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robie2 8 years ago from Central New Jersey

I'm cracking up-- I just came back to read new comments here and there is a big banner ad right under the headline that says" Meet Single Arabs Here" LOL-- so much for "women" as a keyword ROTFL


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Bard of Ely 8 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

That one has gone and there's ads for a Hindu Saint and Asian Wives now! lol


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Amanda Severn 8 years ago from UK

There's much food for thougt here Bard. I'm not sure I would want women to be exclusively in charge. I met some very mean women, years ago, in the days before children when I had a 'real' job. Back-stabbing, bitchy, double-dealing. The guys were always a picnic compared to the women. Power corrupts, as they say. I think that what we truly need is balance and harmony.


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Bard of Ely 8 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

I agree we need balance and harmony and we are so far from it under patriarchal rule I think it would be a serious reason for why matriarchy is proposed. If nothing more than to swing the balance back from male dominion, male political leaders, male religious leaders and all the other male stuff! The male politicians and male-run media are also very much-double dealers,

saying one thing but the truth is very different! And the power that corrupts is a power that is part of the male tendency and system. It goes with competitiveness and superiority.


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AEvans 8 years ago from SomeWhere Out There

I agree with Amanda balance and harmony is the key as for Palin there is no way she could run a country as far as I am concerned it was a very poor pick. My neighbor was telling me that her 15 year old daughter came home yesterday and told her that her girlfriends were discussing that if Palin's daughter can have a baby why can't they? Not good as our country already has enough issues and we certainly don't need teen pregnancy at an all time high to add to our pain.


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Bard of Ely 8 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Palin is there not to produce balance and harmony at all but to provoke division and to impose the patriarchal power structure as well as advancing the New World Order agenda. I'd say none of the choices of political candidates that are getting the mainstream press giving them exposure are for balance and harmony. Those who chose Palin no doubt think they made an ideal choice - many of the public are responding to her as they wanted.


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wabond 8 years ago from England

Hi Everyone

Bard of Ely invited me onto this hub so i thought i would make a few comments.

Whenever the subject of Women rule the World comes up people immediately mention Margaret Thatcher. The point is that she is not representative of most Women, it would be like saying claiming that all male leaders are like Hitler, Stalin or Attila The Hun.

Another point is that a female leader of a patriarchal government is certainly not a Matriarchy. A Matriarchal government would be a government where the vast majority of it’s members are women. We are nearly reaching that point in some Scandinavian countries, and it is these countries that give a far better idea of what it would be like, if women ruled the world.

Some people claimed that women rule the world already. Which I find hard to believe, because throughout the world women only possess 1% of the world’s wealth and only a small minority of women have any political power of any kind.

Other people say that if women were to rule the world they have to become like men. This might be true before democracy. The fact is that it is possible for women to take over Western governments through democratic means. Then when women are in power they only way they can stay in power is to prove to the people that they can rule the country, better than what men can do. If they can do this in one country then it will encourage people in other countries to vote in female politicians and leaders. And even countries who don’t have a democratic system, will be under pressure by the people to have a female government.

Women do not have to create a vast Amazon army and conquer the world, they can do it by proving to the people they are better leaders than men.

William Bond


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Bard of Ely 8 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Hi William! Thank you for joining us here and for your response to points raised!


Terah Morgaine 8 years ago from San Diego, Ca

What a totally bitchen blog!!! When I was a little girl ( I am now 61) my Daddy told me, "The only hope for the world is that women take control ". He trained me to be his little warrior princess. To take revenge ( " Happiness is the best revenge ", he said) on a world that had abused him in oh so many ways.

I am still your little ( ok, not so little) warrior princess and spread happiness where ever I can Daddy.

He was his mother's favorite son (she had 4) she had only 1 daughter who died just a few weeks after birth, she grieved for that daughter until my Daddy produced me thru my Mom.

They both( Daddy and Grandma) invested much in me. Gave me their wisdom, experience and info which I inhailed with gusto, encouraged me and loved me unconditionally.

My Mother also did her best for me also. I could read the bible before I started school. I use this example because it was the hardest book to read I had contact with. It protected me from the sermons. I found the bible and the sermons rarely agreed. Grandma got me a red letter edition when I was 7 yrs old and she caught me reading the "Songs of Solomon" in church.LOL so, the teachings of Jesus saved me from the programming they were trying to install. She taught me too many things to list them all here, she did her best for me.

And this blog is just what I need now.

Thank you Bard of Ely, mucho kudos to you.

Light, Love & Laughter,

Terah


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Bard of Ely 8 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank YOU, Terah, for your very positive response here!


pgrundy 8 years ago

Wow, what a bunch of interesting comments. Cool hub! Thank you Steve!

You know, the meanest bosses I've ever had were female. I say mean as in ruthless, cold, manipulative. Plus, women know how to hurt other women but most men don't--they just get brutish usually whereas women have the emotional finesse to eviscerate other women very subtly. I taught Women's Studies courses for two years at the state university extension when I graduated, and God, what a trip. I will have to write a hub about it sometime--some of us old ladies here might relate.

The thing is, women are no nicer to other women or to men than men are, and no more likely to create a fair or decent society. One fact that is often left out of modern ideal depictions of matriarchal societies is the fact that many of them included ritual murders of chosen 'kings' on a regular basis as part of the culture--so you know, we're peaceful and craftsy and we're all chicks and oh yeah, every couple of years we smash a pretend king with a big rock, but hey, it's just one guy so you know, it's all cool...

My point is we don't really know what those societies were like. It's easy to impose our own hopes and dreams on them, but to what purpose? We can clearly see that the women leaders of today are no more peace-loving than the men.

Speaking of violence though, you know what surprises me? That rape victims don't go around taking names and kicking ass. I mean guys would get ugly over way less. With the preponderance of that crime in the world right now, you'd think we'd have roving militias of vengance seeking rape victims, but no, you almost never hear of that.

So I guess it's all complex. But thanks for poking at that sleeping monster with this stick! LOL! Looks like you woke her up!


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Bard of Ely 8 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thanks, Pam, for a very detailed response! I agree with you we do not know for sure what it was like in matriarchal cultures but we all definitely know what it is like living under a patriarchal one! We are in the world as it has been fashioned by several thousands of male rule.

I personally cannot claim to have only met peaceful and loving women because one of the first women in my childhood was a teacher called Miss Hobbs and she caned me which was allowed then. Later in my adult life I knew a woman who had been found guilty of manslaughter of her former husband and while I knew her she burned a house down in Ely and also at one point smashed all my front windows in because I was harbouring her ex boyfriend who didn't want to see her. But apart from a few like these, in general, and with the exceptions of the woman politicians who as I keep saying are trained in the male system and are working for it, I find women to be a whole lot better than men. An example being the animal rights movement - I know far more women who are active in this than men and if that is the women's maternal instincts showing well, that is good. And if I look at the evidence I have from all sources at my disposal I find that it is men who are ordering the wars, men who are destroying the natural environment, men who are polluting the planet in a massive way, men who are dealing in weapons and it was men who conquered other peoples all over the world.

If I look at the conspiracy theory materials, leaving out the aliens, other dimensionals etc and just looking at people everyone can agree are real, again it is a vast majority of men who are behind everything.


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mureksoy 8 years ago from Florida USA

Bard of Ely -- I fell in love with you the first time I saw your green beard and found out that you come from Whales, the land of my ancestors -- and now to find that you play U2 on your guitar! I applaud the subject matter of this thought provoking hub. I've always appreciated a good lesson in alternative history or conspiracy theory, and have read about the Goddess rule many times before. I like to think that women would rule with a strong hand, but with fair and reasonable judgement. Unfortunately, Hillary can no longer prove me correct. (Not for the next 4 years anyway.) Thanks!


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mureksoy 8 years ago from Florida USA

Doh! Misspelled Wales!


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Bard of Ely 8 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you, mureksoy, for your compliments and comments!


Terah Morgaine 8 years ago from San Diego, Ca

Well, as for chicks being mean.

I have applied "Happiness is the best revenge" many, many times.

I harm no one, and the person I have the conflict with just fries!!! And doesn't attack me anymore.

So, is that mean???


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Jerry G2 8 years ago from Cedar Rapids, IA

Once again, Bard, very interesting and thought provoking hub. I'm not sure I buy that the world would be peaceful under a matriarchal society mainly because mother or father, we're all still human. I think human nature is inherently selfish and "evil," but almost every person harbors some desire to be good or to do good on some level, large or small. Just by human nature, I think any society is going to be war like until human civilization as a whole makes a conscious concerted effort to change. In mythology, there are also goddesses of war, and the Viking theology (as amazing depressing as that was, granted) also saw Valkeyries in high esteem - who were female but warriors. I think the argument between matriarchal vs. Patriarchal is interesting, but might be taking away from where the real focus should be: what is human nature, why is it that way, and what steps can we all take to accentuate the good and not the negative?

I might disagree with your position, but love the thought provoking hub. Good work again, and thanks for sharing!


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marisuewrites 8 years ago from USA

Well, Bard, my husband of 32 years tells me I have all kinds of power over him....isn't that sweet? and so brave to recognize it -- that's probably about all the power I can handle tho..

and I've known quite a few "Annie Get Yer Guns" and we all know at least one Moose hunter now. I'm pretty sure women are capable of putting together mass armies. I don't want to find out tho.


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keltickelton 8 years ago from Mendocino Coast

Thank you Mama Gaia!My body is made of your body,It's your blood flowing through my veins.How wonderful it is to inhabit this human bodyAnd be so imtimately close to you!Even if I have to feel your anger and pain.How hearbreaking to have your own childrenBeing turned against you.Someday soon they will awaken to rememberThat we were born from Spirit and Your BodyTo become your children In this exquisite paradise.We will remember thatWe are literally one family.And that the whole mess we have been throughIs carrying and acting outA family feudOf the Gods.We will all rememberBecause some of us rememberAnd we are here!And we love you!Even if we have to feel Your anger and pain ...Thank you Mama Gaia!Thank you Mama Gaia!Thank you Mama Gaia!Your greatful son,Kelton


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wabond 8 years ago from England

We are getting the comment that women are just as bad as men. I agree that not all women are saints but basically men are far more violent than men. In Britain today on average two women per week are murdered by their male partner.  (This crime is so commonplace that newspapers don’t bother to report it.) Whereas it is very rare for a woman to murder her male partner.  And in all wars, it is only a small handful of women who get involved in killing other human beings.

The difference between men and women is our animal instincts. Most male animals fight and compete with each other, so every spring bulls, stags and rams head butt each other to gain access to females. Men are the same but are far more violent as we use weapons like swords, rifles, machine guns, rockets and nuclear weapons.  So when men rule the world it is not surprising that it is very competitive and very violent.

On the other hand nearly all female animals, have a powerful maternal instinct and this instinct drives women to want to have children and devote her life to bringing them up.  So if women were to rule the world women will still be dominated by their maternal instincts and so their first priority will be the care of children. In caring for children they will also care for adults and so their basic animal instinct will drive them to create caring societies.

Someone commented that we don't know what a world ruled by women will be like. In the ancient Neolithic civilizations like Catal Huyuk and the Indus Valley Civilization what archaeologists discovered was that they couldn't find any evidence of warfare. They couldn't find any weapons for people to kill each other with, and none of the Neolithic town and cities had fortifications in which to defend themselves. Unlike in the later bronze and iron age civilizations where all towns and cities had strong fortifications and a mass of weapons. There was also images of people being murdered and tortured, which was absent in Neolithic towns and cities. It is noticeable that the Neolithic civilizations worshipped Goddesses while the later bronze and iron age civilizations worship male warrior gods.

Also in these Goddess worshipping civilizations what archaeologists noticed is that all dwelling places were more or less the same. There wasn't a big palace for the ruler or a richer and poorer section of the town, everyone was the same. So there wasn’t the same hierarchical system you get in all patriarchal societies.

I cannot claim a world ruled by women will be perfect but it will be a lot better for us all, (men and women) than living in a patriarchal world.

 

William Bond 


Emma FM  8 years ago

Thankyou so much Steve

I would like to know why His Story is so widely available

I want to learn about HER story!

x


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wabond 8 years ago from England

Hi Emma

I have written about Her-Story in my books, "Mermaids, Witches and Amazons" and "Why Women Should Rule the World" you can find them on the link "William Bond's Blogspot" that Steve put on this page.

William Bond


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guidebaba 8 years ago from India

NO. At least I don't want my life to get even worse than what it is now.


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Bard of Ely 8 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you everyone for your comments. Keltickelton, it is good to see you here too! William, thanks for explaining further what it's all about and your links!


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MD FREE 8 years ago from OC, California where extra is paid for good weather!

I can agree that women can be as vicious as men and I also agree that a matriarchal society would be more peaceful.

As for women who are wicked, I do agree that it is a result of living in patriarchal system. Some woman enjoy being objects very much.

We can fight, no doubt it is how we won are right to vote in the US. Just think of how hard Palin fights and manipulates in the Patriarchal system and how a "woman has evolved" to live here today. It is sort of a joke when you realize she doesn't believe in evolution and wants to teach creationism in schools, she still has mastered that way of life which is why she seems so alien to a common women.

Matriarchs are the castaways. As I study in engineering, my sex alone is enough to loose the job. Women have to be 5 times as good as a man to gain the same position. I think then, the peaceful have to fight five times as hard as the warmongers to end war.

I am not sure that fighting to end war sounds matriarchal, but I think Mother God reluctantly agrees.


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Bard of Ely 8 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

I thank you for your comments, MD FREE! I would say that fighting to end war is a bit like fighting for peace and is what George Orwell called "doublethink" in 1984 - in other words there is peace or there is fighting but you cannot have both unless you "doublethink." The system and its political puppets teach this as the way - we are supposed to doublethink.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink

I agree that matriarchs are the "castaways" right now!


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wabond 8 years ago from England

Hi MD

I think women like Palin and Margaret Thatcher do really believe that a woman has to act like a man to be a success in our patriarchal society.

Perhaps this is why we need a Matriarchal political party, so women politicians do not have to act and behave like men to gain promotion within a patriarchal political party.

I didn't realise you could but links on comments.

My links to my book/blogs about Herstory are.-

http://mermaid-williambond.blogspot.com/

http://womenrulingtheworld.blogspot.com/

William


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Bard of Ely 8 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thanks, William! I have added more links to the links column in my hub!


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Aya Katz 8 years ago from The Ozarks

Bard of Ely, thought-provoking hub!

My favorite goddess is the Canaanite Anat who bathed in the blood of heroes. A favorite historical heroine is Joan of Arc. No, she didn't kill anyone with her sword, but she did lead an army to victory -- and they killed plenty!

Among chimpanzees, it is true that males get violent more easily -- but they also reconcile faster and then enforce the peace. Females hold a grudge much longer and plot revenge.

Women are more cunning. They're twice as dangerous as men.

One of my favorite poems, "The Female of the Species" by Kipling, ends like this:

And Man knows it! Knows, moreover, that the Woman that God gave him/ Must command but may not govern—shall enthrall but not enslave him./And She knows, because She warns him, and Her instincts never fail,/ That the Female of Her Species is more deadly than the Male.

 For the whole poem, here's the link:

 http://www.potw.org/archive/potw96.html

 


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sarahglenister 8 years ago from Manchester, uk

Only just come across this hub and must confess I haven't got through all of the comments so I hope I'm not simply repeating someone else's views here.

I must say though, I think the world may even be unlikely to change under matriarchal law. Generally power lies with those who want power (those who run for election in democracies and those who take power in dictatorships). I think the question of whether these people are male or female is quite irrelevant. They are by nature egotistical and unlikely to take on the views of others over their own. This is not just a generalised comment slating all politicians. I only mean to say that it takes a certain type of person to desire such power. And in that way politics, and other hierarchies of authority, have a self-filtering system. The people who get through, and who want to get through, to positions of control are, by nature, controlling.

I believe dear old Maggie has been mentioned here. Along with Condeleeza (that doesn't look like it's spelt right...) and Sarah Palin. Someone also mentioned their female employer. It's often true that women in authority can be more ruthless than men. This isn't likely to be anything to do with the XX chromosone however. It probably has a lot more to do with the historical positioning of women within our cultures. It is only relatively recently that the fairer sex were given the same rights as men (in the West) and it is arguable that this process is still ongoing in some ways. At the moment, women are likely to overcompensate when in positions of power. In their desire to appear as adequate as men, they in fact go a lot further. It's arguable that the same is happening in the gay community, in a different way. Often (but not always) the performance of the homosexual in society is similar to his/her stereotype as the gay community takes ownership of its identity. This is not because homosexuality naturally causes people to act differently from hetrosexuals but because of the historical and social pressures that form around such issues and the need to ccement an identity for oneself.

Both groups, and groups I haven't mentioned here - racial, religious etc. - will probably balance their behaviour as the decades go on and it is considered more natural for a woman to be in power or a person to be attracted to the same sex. Once discrimination has faded away, we can expect less demarcation in society. Of course by then, intolerance will have grown for another sect...and the cycle continues...

Sorry long post! Late at night!


saomay 8 years ago

great article


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MD FREE 8 years ago from OC, California where extra is paid for good weather!

Gosh I read 1984 so long ago, all I remember is the pnuemonic tube. Maybe double thinking, I wasn't guaranteeing I was correct, but it seems there are not enough Ghandis and Teresa's to overthrow violent oppressors. Seems if you just behave and let them do what they want they will put microchips in you and work you to death or take pictures of you acting against your will like the Iraqi war prisoners.

???it is of course what is implemented after revolution and I think we are slowly moving toward that in small subtle ways with non-profit orgs doing the work that the powerful should.

This year I will vote for Cynthia McKinney. Next campaign I will become more active for the green party. I have had enough of 2 choices! People telling me to pick the lesser of two evils because they wouldn't want the greater to win. If I lived in a state that wasn't always democratic maybe I would. Californians are going to vote Obama. I am not throwing the vote for him. With the ballots not working and the computers being hackable, the vote is almost irellavant.

With that, someone asked why vote since it will get lost, misrepresented, hacked etc and the guy(brad from bradsblog.com) said "because if you vote they will have to go through the trouble to find a way to lose your vote. If you don't vote they don't have to lose your vote you did that for them."

I guess all we can do is dialog and blog until there are enough Ghandi-like figures as we move into Aquarius where feminism will balance out again.

????


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MD FREE 8 years ago from OC, California where extra is paid for good weather!

Mermaids are Real is very intriguing, thanks!


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profiler 8 years ago from Currently in this universe

My world is already ruled by a beautiful women. And I don't mind that much.

Kiss to you beloved Beatriz. May the promise of our love remain saved in the Internet forever as a testemony of who we are...


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wabond 8 years ago from England

This idea that women would behave exactly like men if women were to rule the world is a feminist idea.

Back in the 18th and 19th century when women began to demand empowerment, men then justifyed male dominance by claiminig that women were inferiour to men because they were less intellegent than men. Also they were too emotional to make sensible decisions. (like starting wars and committing genicide, which is what male rulers do).

In reaction to this, Feminists in te 1960s made the claim that men and women were exactly the same. To make the point that women could do all the jobs men can do. So in this Margaret Thatcher was doing exactly what the feminists said women can do. She successfully ruled Britian for over ten years and demostrated that a woman leader can be as ruthless, devious and uncaring as any male leader.

The result is that both feminist and patriarchy are now in agreement that if women want equality they have to act and behave like men. Which personally I don't think is a good idea. The world is in a bad enough state as it is, with 50% of the population behaving like idiots. It can only get worse if the other 50% join in, and behave in exactly the same way. Surely it would be far better if men learn to be like women and not women learning to be like men.

Yes, Margaret Thatcher demostrated that women can learn to behave like a male politician. But in doing so she didn't help the Feminist cause, because since then the general public are not exactly gagging for another female Prime Minister. As they assume that another female leader will be exactly the same.

Patriarchy like to claim that women's maternal and nurturing instincts are a 'weakness', and unfortunately Feminists seem to agree with them. But to me women's natural nurturing instincts are a strengh, when it comes to power politics.

Most voters are totally disallusioned by patriarchal politics. But if we had women politicians who acted like women and didn't try to ape men, and showed clearly the nurturing side of their nature, then voters will see there is hope in living in a better society for us all.

Men to a increadiblily bad job in ruling our world. As Wilson Churchill once said, "I can only offer you, blood, sweat and tears". This is unfortunately true of all male politicians. We are so used to patrairchy that we all think that warfare, genicide, and widespread poverty is 'normal'. Yet is it? We are suppose to be an intellegent animal, yet we don't have to intellegence to overcome these basic problems.

The problem is that men don't lack brains, men have the intellegence to put men on the moon or invent things like aircraft and computers. But all men are driven by the competitive instincts to want to competive and fight each other. Creating the chaos we see in all patriarchal societies. This competive instinct pushes men so far, that during the cold war 'mankind' came close to committing global suicide through nuclear warfare.

The case for women ruling the world is very strong, because men do such a terrible job at doing this. But to get this case across to the general public, women have to act like women and not try to be have like idiotic men.

William


frankharber 8 years ago from United States

Women rule in this world is very important, Nice post thanks


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Bard of Ely 8 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you everyone, for all your excellent feedback, and thanks again to William for explaining how he sees it and answering some of the points already brought up here!


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PaulieWalnuts 8 years ago from Chicago

“Should Women Rule the World?”…….Yes, if she’s Xena!

Although in Roman Catholicism, the Blessed Virgin Mary is supposed to have been crowned “Queen of Heaven.” But a mortal Queen of Earth would be like a queen bee laying around being catered to by us drones, shoe shopping for her. She would have eight feet after all! (just kidding, lol!)

But a world ruler…..no no no! Not to Rule the Entire Globe, POWER CORRUPTS. Hitler wanted to Rule the world….and look what happened to him and the World! I could just see it now, a Saddam like female smoking cigars, shooting moose and firing off her shot gun into the air to get the crowd’s attention while holding her nursing disabled baby in the other hand, lol! Seems vaguely similar to what a Saddam Sarah might turn into if she was the World Ruler! So a world ruler? Maybe the Female/Mother/Goddess trip is a cool fantasy, sure sells a lotta books at the New Age bookstore- but a World Ruler is outta the question, a World Goddess… YES!!

Reality check: An equal number of elected democratic female/male national rulers is the only way the world will survive!


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betherickson 8 years ago from Minnesota

Definitely. It's time to make a change. :) great hub! love it.


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Bard of Ely 8 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thanks for your comments PaulieWalnuts and Betherickson!

Paulie, I think you are thinking in patriarchal model terms in your description and concerns! We are not talking a one world one queen ruler anyway - that would be just another face of New World Order facsism and I see your point. That would be patriachal domination and control with a woman's face. No, the idea is for far more women to be in the true leader positions and by that we are talking about women making behind the scenes decisions not just the so-called 'leaders' like the PMs and presidents who follow scripts somebody else writes as far as I'm concerned.


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wabond 8 years ago from England

Hi Paulie Walnuts

What you are describing sounds very much like a femdom fantasy. It is interesting that many men have fantasies like this of FemNazis ruling the world and being unbelieveably cruel to men. But in reality, i don't think women are like this.

Yes, for many men dominant women can be very sexy and glamerious, and that is all right. But you have to concider that most women do not want to be Amazons like Xena or FemNazis. If you are excited by female domination then you have to think about what a dominant woman may want, she may not want to whip and torture men. After all a true dominant woman will not want to be some man's puppet and act out his fantasies for him.

William


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Lou Purplefairy 8 years ago from Southwest UK

A very diplomatic, accurate and sympathetic hub Steve of your usual calibre. As a woman, I would naturally err in favour. I think that women use their own female logic to solve issues (usually over a cup of tea and a biscuit) patriarchy find this threatening. Patriarchy uses fear a, threats and violence as control whereas matriarchy uses communication, compassion and understanding. I think people will always fear what is unknown, and will try to supress those that dont.

A great read with some thought provoking ideas.


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Bard of Ely 8 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you, Lou! Whilst I realise that at one level spirit is spirit and this battle of the sexes including who should rule is nowhere near an ideal reality, on a practical and logical level and considering what I know has been done by men on this planet, I have no problem at all saying I would prefer women in charge! There are many species that do not have males at all and the ones of the human species have done untold harm to their own type and countless other animals and plants. Whether they were controlled by demons or reptilians doesn't really matter - male humans have ruined paradise! The crimes against life far far far outweigh any wrongs done by women and that is my well considered opinion and belief!


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Rudra 8 years ago

women have been ruling the world, its just that men dont know about it. men think they do but its really the women.


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Bard of Ely 8 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thanks for your comments, Rudra! But if you are right are you saying it is really the women who have caused the terrible mess the world has been but letting the men take the blame?


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countrywomen 8 years ago from Washington, USA

Atleast we women could blame the men for all ills.he he.. Now coming to serious question should women rule: I guess my take on that would be not competition between men and women but cooperation. Hence who so ever is most capable should rule irrespective of the gender. There are men who are very kind and women who put their babies in microwave. Gender doesn't determine qualification for a position. Hence I would support Hillary for leadership based on her credentials and oppose Sarah for her lack of it.


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wabond 8 years ago from England

Hi CountryWoman

Yes, there are such thing as woman murderers but overall 95% of all murders are men. If we look at history, the people who fight in wars are mostly men, yes a few women have joined in this insanity, but they are very rare. There has never been a case in history where a great Amazon army have gone out to conquer other countries or commit mass murder and genicide. Women are simply not like that, but it is something that men have done throughout history.

Men are by far more violent than women, and a world ruled by men will likewise be far more violent than a world ruled by women. Men have ruled our world for the last five thousand years and have failed completely to overcome basic problems like war, genicide and poverty. It is obvious to me that men do a increadibly bad job in ruling our world, and it is about time we give woman a go. After all, it would be impossible to do a worse job that what men do.

William Bond


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countrywomen 8 years ago from Washington, USA

William,

Not all agression is bad. It is how we channelize it. Men by nature like more action thats why tend to watch sports more than woman. I myself like watching men's cricket/basketball for their ability compared to women's sports.

We used to have a sir who was very tough but at the end of the day he could complete the syllabus in time and we learnt more. And we had a madam who was very participative and we were behind. The point I am making is the purpose/ability is more important than an outward expression. If women ruled there would be more chaos as one needs some one with a vision and ability to lead more than being just a plain nice person unable to control situation. Let's agree that the biology/psychology of female species with the male species is to complement each other not to compete with each other.


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Shalini Kagal 8 years ago from India

The two matriachal communities in India - one in the South and the other in the North-East are perhaps the most non-violent I know. So I guess you do have a point - though personally I feel women can be quite cold-blooded and Lucretia Borgia-like at times! The men are either cerebral or musical - and as far as the southern community is concerned, if a woman didn't like what her husband was up to, all she did was put his shoes outside the door - it meant he had to walk! Since the women inherit, this was easy enough to do. Most men stay put because if they didn't, they wouldn't have a roof over their head! Things are changing, what with so many mixed marriages - but if all women had the upper hand, maybe they would handle power better. Right now, they're too busy trying to prove themselves when they do get power.

William Bond: LOVED your Mermaids are Real!


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wabond 8 years ago from England

Hi Countrywoman

I am not saying that all aggression is bad. All i am saying is that when men rule the world it get totally out of control. For instance in the cold war between the USSR and USA, mankind came very close a number of times in committing global suicide, through nuclear warfare.

Most men don't want to go to war and kill other men on the battlefield. This only happens because there is nothing to restrain men's aggression. Yes, it would be wonderful if men can only express their aggression on the sporting field. But for this to happen we will need women ruling our world.

William Bond


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wabond 8 years ago from England

Hi Shalini Kaqal

I have read a bit about matriarchal communities in India but have never travel there.

Yes, individual women can be horible people, but if we are to compare men and women then you have to think of rulers like Hitler, Stalin, Po-Pot etc. I could write out a very, very long list of male despotic rulers and famous serial killers. The number of women murders is very small compared with men and there are hardly any women mass murders. Men far out perform women in murder, genicide and torture.

Anyway i am glad you like my Mermaid book.

William Bond


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compu-smart 8 years ago from London UK

Great Hub Bard! and Phew!! its very bizi in here! and too many comments to read right now and not sure if anyone has mentioned the reality show that's on right now here in the uK, titled, "when woman rule the world"

http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/t4/t4shows/w...

basically, they have about 10 men and 10 girls who have been dropped off an island, only to be told the woman must rule and the men must obey, and the woman have been so mean and rude and are leading a dictatorship regime (at the moment) as its only about 3 - 4 week in the show, so who knows how it will go, but right now, i feel sorry for all the guys who are treated like prisoners and being "ordered" to do chores instead of simple asking politely!, regards woman or men ruling the world, the fact of the matter is, there are many woman who would make great and not so great leaders and the same with men..


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Bard of Ely 8 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thanks for the interesting news, compu-smart!

My comment on the behaviour of the women you mention is that yet again they are following male patriachal behaviour patterns - probably how they got picked. The sort of ruling that is desirable is not like this. It is not a fight between who is toughest and who is the most dominant although I see this in some of the proponents for matriarchy too, which is where it loses me. For me the better qualities of a non-patriarchal woman are her maternal instinct and care and compassion for all life - I believe this is why you will find there are far more women very active in the animal rights movement. Suffering to people or animals is not right to a woman who feels a mother's love for others. Men (and patriachal-conditioned women) do not see anything wrong with pain, suffering and death. On that matter alone I would prefer female world leaders. But NOT Thatcher, Rice, Palin who do not represent what a woman is like unless they are manipulated and conditioned into male role behaviour and thought patterns. As William has pointed out the numbers of recorded murderers and perpetrators of violence is always far more among the males than the females. War, killing, torturing and inflicting suffering is only approved of and executed by a minority of women.


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wabond 7 years ago from England

Hi Compu-smart

I have seen a bit of the "When Women rule the world" and i got the impression it was some guys Femdom fantasy. There are a lot of men out there who are very attracted to dominant women, but expect them to behave like a dominant man. The problem is that men and women are not the same so women find acting like this difficult. For instance if a man goes to visit a dominatrix, she will ask him what turns him on and he will tell her and she will act out the role he wants her to play. So she is not really in charge, all she is doing is acting out a role.

It is a the same in this TV show I didn't get the impression the women were really in charge, they were actors playing a role that the producer and director wanted them to play.

It is the same for women within a patriarchal political party. To get anywhere a female politican has to become, 'one of the boys'. If she starts to express her maternal and nurturing instincts she is concidered to be 'weak' and not up to the job. This is why you end up with female politicians like Margaret Thatcher behaving the way she did. This is also why Palin is presenting herself as a rough and tough macho woman.

All these women are acting out roles that men expect them to play, and don't represent how women will behave if they had real power.

William Bond


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

William, I totally agree with you without having seen that show. It is a point that I keep making that the women held up as bad examples of women in charge are women playing patriachal roles in a patriachal system. This is not matriarchy of female values but women playing the parts of men politically to please men or sexually to please men - which means the men are still making the rules!


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countrywomen 7 years ago from Washington, USA

When the rules can't be overturned overnight. How about letting men who exhibit qualities like kindness, affection and caring nature rule? I always felt my daddy was the nicest, cutest and kindest dad eventhough felt mom was stricter on us. hehe..


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

I wish such men were in the top positions but the men in power wouldn't let them. I can't think of any male rulers in the world today that really show "kindness, affection and caring nature" can you?


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wabond 7 years ago from England

Hi Countrywoman

I am sure that there are many kind and thoughtful men that go into politics with the aim to make the world a better place. What seems to get in the way is men's competitive instincts. In politics men compete strongly with each other for power, and in that struggle for power all the ideals men had, get forgotten.

There are also other male politicians that believe that, "the ends justify the means". For instance even distators like Stalin, Hitler and Po-Pot had ideals about making the world a better place for everyone. So mass murder and genicide was acceptable because they believed that in the end they could make the world a better place using these means.

As i said before, men's competitive instinct get totally out of control when they attempt to rule the world. So that even kind men get caught up in the policitical power game men play. And i have to say women also get caught up in these power games if they enter patriarchal politics.

William Bond


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Shalini Kagal 7 years ago from India

Patriachal politics - what an apt term - yes, I see what you mean - women have to come into their own and be what they really are, not try to beat men at their own game. Shades of the 'sacred feminine'?


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countrywomen 7 years ago from Washington, USA

What do you think of Obama, also India's Prime minister Manmohan singh seems to be a quiet, nice gentleman. Right on top of my head can't think of many but you guys maybe right to succeed one sometimes needs to compromise with their values\ personality. But not long ago Nelson Mandela and also Mahatma Gandhi were great leaders who really cared for others and went through a lot of personal pain for others.


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Personally I am not impressed with Obama and I think a lot of people voting for him will get an unpleasant shock if he gets in! These male politicians are great actors or liars would perhaps be more accurate. Some like Ronald Reagan and Schwarzenegger went from films to politics. Tony Blair was a failed rock star who was great at acting in his college years - he wanted to be on the stage but ended up on the political one rather than in music or theatre.

Mandela and Gandhi are rare exceptions.


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wabond 7 years ago from England

Hi Shalini Kagal

Yes, that is exactly what i am trying to put across. A matriarchal government, where women have a large marjority will be different to any patriarchal government.

William Bond


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wabond 7 years ago from England

Hi Countrywoman

A leader is still limited in what he or she can do. For instance although Nelson Mandela did a wonderful job to change South Africa from white minority rule to black majority rule, without bloodshed, he was unable to do anything about coruption within South African politics. As for Gandi he was assainated before he could play a role in the new Indian government, so we have no idea what sort of politician he might of become.

I have no-idea what Obama will be like as a Presedent, as with all polticians what they say before an election has nothing to do with what they will do, when they get into power. I agree with Steve it seems that politicians have to be good actors and their acting ablility has nothing to do with how they will perform as a leader.

Yes, some patriarchal leaders are better than others. But if we want to have real change then the whole system of government has to change. If we continue to vote for male politicians then they can only deliever, competition, aggression and violence. In the very competitive enviorment of patriarchal politics it is the most aggressive and competitive people that is more likely to get to the top.

If we can get enough female politicians into power where they are the marjority then we will get real change. Men are motivated by competition, women are motivated by their maternal and nurturing instincts. A government dominated by women will focus strongly on children and their welfare. They will also focus on the old and the sick and in so doing will create a more compassionate and caring society.

William Bond


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countrywomen 7 years ago from Washington, USA

William,

If we focus on goals like every child esp girl child is educated, has enough to eat, has access to health facilities and some opportunities for self advancement then the change would happen slowly but surely. In many countries of the world women who do come to power are actually propped up to fill the percentage or reservations (as in india 1/3 reservation for women is followed). It's not going to happen anytime soon the "matriarchial system" hence what is the alternative. We have to choose based on what we have rather than pray for some angel to deliver us.

But I am so happy to see you and bard of ely vociferously advocating women's rule. I myself see more women at the key board then at the board of directors. You guys should actually be in power to empower women.


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wabond 7 years ago from England

Hi Countrywomen

I think to continue to fiddle about with the patriarchal system is not going to get us anywhere.

The only problem with the concept of matriarchy is that the general public is totally unaware of what matriarchy is. People continue to support patriarchy simply because they are unaware there is an alternitive to it.

If we can get all the arguments for matriarchy out into the mainstream and tell people that they don't have to put up with patriarchy any more, then we might get somewhere. While people are totally unaware of exactly what matriarchy is then people will continue to try the same patriarchal 'solutions' time and time again even though they do not work.

A matriarchal movement has to start somewhere and the sooner we can get it off the ground, the better off we all will be.

William Bond


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compu-smart 7 years ago from London UK

Thanks for that feed back Bard! you make some very interesting points on this fascinating subject!

@William Bond, Yes, i think you have got it right! the producers must have carefully picked out the most dominate woman to take part in this show, i look forward to the next show and to see what twists the producers have which are mostly psychological tests I'm thinking!

Funny enough, I have just recently met a girl who happens to be a dominatrix who has invited me ronud her house next week! Im looking forward to it:D as long as she does not start ordering me around! OR get the whips out! I had enough of this at skool and never enjoyed it! lol


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wabond 7 years ago from England

Hi Compu-smart

I have met a two dominatries in my life and both of them were very nice women. The first one I met I didn't think was dominant at all, she just played this role for the sake of her clients. The second one was dominant but still a very nice lady.

What i don't like in many of the Femdom fastasies, is the assumption that if a woman is dominant she also must also be a nasty person. I personally haven't found this to be true in my life. All the dominant women i have known, were all caring people.

It is only patriarchal propaganda that claims that the caring and nurturing nature of women is a 'weakness'. And unfortunately some women believe this and try to overcome their nuturing nature so they can become 'strong'.

William Bond


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Lou Purplefairy 7 years ago from Southwest UK

Hi all,

On the subject of male aggression and violence i have one point to make concerning male behaviour:

99% of sex offenders and paedophiles are men.

yes there are a few women (usually conditioned by men) who carry out this sort of behaviour, but rape is predominantly a male behaviour. `Considering most of the victims of rape are female or children (both male and female) and suffer this terrible event ion their lives, could we consider just how much better the lives of women and children would be if this was eradicated or at the very least dealt with by removing the sex drive of men who commit such atrocities?

Case closed.


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wabond 7 years ago from England

Hi Lou Purplefairy

I think something like that goes on in some Scandinavian countries. Repeated rapists have been castrated. But the prosecution of rapists are only possible in countries where women have real power. In extreme patriarchal countries like in Islamic countries a woman can go to jail for simply reporting a rape, while in most African countries rape is not considered to be a crime.

William Bond


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countrywomen 7 years ago from Washington, USA

William,

I didn't know in Islamic countries reporting a rape puts you in Jail? Also rape not considered a crime. Can you name the islamic countries and the countries where it's not a crime.


Andrew Hawkley 7 years ago

Patriarchal systems are actually extremely effeminate.

One example is religion.

In pre-patriarchal religions the Goddess was frequently portrayed as a triple figured being. Whereas the male principal was portrayed as a singular being. In patriarchal religions (for example Christianity) the male principal is portrayed as father, son and holy ghost. The brutal vikings also had three forthright male deities in Thor, Odin and Frey.

Notice how (at least western) patriarchal men never grow beards? And how they always seem to be wearing arrows dangling from their necks as though they are so dumb they can't remember where their penises are?

And why do patriarchal systems frequently think circumcision is a good idea? Surely any man who thinks that must be a sadistic feminist at heart.

Just a few thoughts...


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Lou Purplefairy 7 years ago from Southwest UK

Andrew Hawkley;

I dont think that the idea of circumscision is a sadistic feminist idea, far from it. Self abuse and pain tolerance in an initiation context does seem to be about proving manhood ie the more pain you can withstand, the more of a man (therefore more dominant) you are perceived to be. A sadistic feminist would hold the threat of circumscision over a man, causing him to live in perpetual fear of losing a part of his manhood.

As for not growing beards, i feel that has more to do with fashion, which is predominanltly led by women and effeminate men, rather than for religious reasons religious.

The triple deity idea female generated and adopted by patriarchy as a way of "over stamping" the previous embedded matriarchal systems, the way Christainity overstamped (and merged) many of the pagan religions to gain control over the masses.

As for the wearing of arrows around their necks , i personally have liitle experience of than and I cetainly have not known ANY man who didn't know where is penis is. Most of the men I know are completely obsessed with it and it runs their lives, sadly! lol!

Interesting thoughts tho.


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Lou Purplefairy 7 years ago from Southwest UK

wabond:

I agree. It seems to me that in many countries where women are supressed and opressed rape is deemed not to be a crime since women have no rights (not even over their own bodies) and the skewed patriarchal systems in place seem to condone such behaviour, encouraging it even as a means of control, citing it as a normal part of the male behaviour. The fact that it is used as a weapon of war just goes to show how little regard patriarchy has for the female side of human life, despite knowing the devastaion it causes. I might add, that this "devastation" is not "suffered" the woman, it is to effect "shame and humiliation" on the men of the attacked society due to their womenfolk being violated in this manner. In many countries, (particularly in some tribal societies) women and female children have less value in society than livestock.:(


Andrew Hawkley 7 years ago

I just think that as we are ruled over by bald and beardless circumcised men who have proven themselves to be incompetent at best and pure evil at worst, man's right to rule should be based on the quality of his beard and the length of his foreskin. Things are so bad surely anything is worth a try?


Andrew Hawkley 7 years ago

Just for the record circumcision is not an exclusively Judeo-Islamic thing. Approx 30 per cent of the world's males are circumcised. Including most Americans, a fair number of men from upper/middle class English stock and the practice can be found as far away as Australian aborigines and in non-islamic parts of Africa. In America it is not usually done for religious reasons but under the illusion it is more hygienic than having a proper penis. (Circumcised males suffer more often from infections.) I'd think you'd be hard pushed to find any man in any major position of authority who is not circumcised but then again I doubt any of them are willing to prove it even if they aren't.  

As for arrows dangling from necks perhaps you'd like to watch my highly educational video: What is the point in ties?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eI66aVxxWz0


Worried 7 years ago

Interesting comments. Have a warning that needs airing, but need to get the wording right. see you soon.


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wabond 7 years ago from England

Hi CountryWoman

Women are being put into jail for reporting rape in Pakistain. Apparently by reporting rape a women then 'dishonours' her husband, which is a crime. There are laws against rape in many Islamic countries but it is imposible to get any man put into jail for this.

Rape is commonplace in Africa. African men believe that they can cure themselves of AIDs by having sex with a virgin girl, the younger the better. So men will AIDs do this, and it mostly involves rape and because of the legal system in most African countries they can do this without being punished.

In Ethopia if a man wants to marry a girl he likes but she refuses. He then rapes her, and she is then forced to marry her rapest because no man will want to marry a 'damaged' girl. Legally the girl can charge the man with rape and she might be able to do this in the main cities, but in the countryside they stick to the 'old ways'.

They had a similar system in South Italy up until the 1960s, i believe it still goes on in some Eastern Europeon countries.

William


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you, William, for posting this information! Considering such facts it is hardly surprising the world is in such a mess when such an evil insanity as this is approved in some countries!


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countrywomen 7 years ago from Washington, USA

That's insane. What's United Nation's Human Rights doing about all these happenings in all these parts of the world where women are treated like livestock. I have no problem with men considering themselves as providers and women as sustainers (child rearing and domestic roles) but this is absolute madness. I am glad I was not born in such places. Is there anything that can be done to improve the lives of these women who have such little control over their lives.


Worried 7 years ago

Back to the original question. NO! Why? Because if females have evolved, in 150yrs, from "vitual slaves", with no vote, no property, no rights, to "virtual" equality, where will they be 150 yrs hence? Role reversal would leave males with no vote, no property, no rights. If females gained power, their primary goal would be to ensure female power became permanent, and males would never again be a threat. The childcaring, nurturing, peaceloving female would follow. And the planet would prosper. Once the male has been supressed. As females have been for millenia. Revenge will be sweet.


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

"Revenge" has nothing to do with the matter! We are not talking about suppression of males either! It isn't a battle - more like a logical choice!


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Benson Yeung 7 years ago from Hong Kong

Bard of Ely,

we like it or not, they should, or not, women already rule the world. take it or leave it. great read though. thanks.


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quicksand 7 years ago

They do? Which world? Ours? Lemme outta here!!!


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enlightenedpsych2 7 years ago from n.e. portion of U.S. on Planet earth

Steve this was fantastic to read, I agreed with all of it especially how the patriarchial society responsible for downfall of everything gained vast respect on the basis of stereotyping, deceipt and immorality ALL of which the feminine divine never had a problem with--why we are wired differently not better and undermining the necessary element of masculinity that is now part of the nuisance 'ethnocentrism' we separate by gender alone and fall further and further away from adrogyny--the answer to peace and harmony.

GREAT STUFF and very pleased to read you . . .

sharing the light,

Miss Erica Hidvegi


M I X E Y 7 years ago

Hi bardofely...

It was nice to see you on soulful planet. Thanks

I'm in agreement with your political senses.

As far as woman ruling the world... I'm going to have to disagree with you.

Some woman would make outstanding leaders. However, generally, woman are the reason that men are so aggressive, IMO.

Passive aggressive communication (for lack of a more educated description), isn't an honest way of dealing in the world. Not all woman manipulate life in that manner. However, the ones who do, leave an indelible mark on their husbands, siblings, and offspring.

Spritual attacks are far more dangerous than physical attacks.

Mixey


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thanks for your feedback, Erica and Mixey!


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BrainFire 7 years ago from The Island

Do I dare to comment on such a hot subject?... Of course I will! lol

Let me throw a few Sparks in here...

I happen to be a Rev. of a Matriarch Society. Only women are in charge, the men are not. The men actually serve the women. Our group members either male, or female have no problem with women being in charge. It seems more like a relief to some men.

The women are historically leader types, (not to be confused with "scorned") who have proven they can handle it. Headed by the High Priestess, and her 7 Mistresses under her who basically run the show for everyone. Above the High Priestess is the Crone, or the Grandmother, or the Indian Chief, as in other cultures. When the Crone dies, the next daughter, or female takes that position, and so on.

I actually come from a double family line of Matriarchs, (on both my mothers side, and my fathers side), and no man has ever been in charge of anything in our family. They're prefectly happy about it too.

Much like Eskimos, the Queen Of England, and other like Societies it's readily accepted, and welcomed because it works.

I will make a hub about the Matriarch Lifestyle in the near future, (my time is so limited right now) but before I go... I have a funny to tell.

My Builder friend asked me how he could market his homes to the women, because every time a guy talks to him about buying a house, the final decision comes down to the wife. My friends idea was to find a way to bypass that problem, and go straight to the horses mouth...the wife.

I said to him add this Motto to all of your signs and advertising.

Homes Built - Quick Erection!

I said see what that brings....lol

At any rate, I thought you may appreciate it, since all of this is about who's really in charge here... :)


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you very much for your excellent feedback, Brainfire! I look forward to your hub on the subject!


Andrew Hawkley 7 years ago

Regarding the religious side of this debate I have to point something out here. All life is created from a sexual act be it plants, animals or humans, correct? When people speak of the theological side of matriarchy they speak of a mother goddess who created ALL life on her own. Just as in patriarchal monotheism people speak of a father figure who also created all life on his own.

The masculine and feminine can only be defined in relation to eachother, so:

How can God be defined as male before he creates female lifeforms?

How can the Goddess be defined as female before she creates male lifeforms?

They cannot. Therefore both patriarchal AND matriarchal monotheism (if you will) are implausible concepts.

I have difficulty believing monotheistic matriarchal societies were ever dominant. Most of the evidence suggests that over 5000 years ago people held the very logical belief of having two sexual deities obviously one male and one female. This of course makes far more sense then having just a sex-hating god or a goddess who doesn't need any male assistance to have children.

I think one problem with matriarchy is that it means more than woman dominated, it means 'mother dominated.' And would therefore undermine the other aspects of the feminine. In pre-patriarchal society the goddess usually projects maternal, sexual and killer instincts. Similarly, I feel patriarchal means more pacifically 'father dominated' rather than just male dominated. In pre-patriarchal societies the male god was considered to be the son and lover of the goddess and his child-like attributes were highly revered. Frequently these societies were ruled by males who emulated these attributes.

To me ruling and running are two different things. Women would have been the main administrators in these societies but it would have been mainly men who make the progressive decisions. This being reflected in the reproductive system where the male generates life and the female maintains it. As is the relationship between the sun and the earth.

It's probably about time I wrote my own hub on this subject but I would like to conclude on the point that whenever I come across this type of debate the nature of what is masculine and feminine seems to get oversimplified. No more simplified than in William Bond's comment when he speaks of 50% of the world's population behaving like idiots. William Bond, you are a man are you not? Do you classify yourself as an idiot?

The real question is what is masculinity? Masculinity is is one of the two essential parts of the reproductive system. The reproductive system generates life therefore masculinity is something that generates life. Yet the 'men'' who run this planet do nothing but destroy life. Therefore they cannot be scientifically defined as masculine.   

Patriarchal contempt for masculinity is extreme. The pagan horned god (as referred to in modern wiccan) was demonised as the devil (there is no mention in the bible of the devil having horns.)

There is of course is the endless castration of male animals, circumcision etc.

And ironically it would appear that adult male homo-sapiens are what patriarchs find most disposable. As of course they view them as competition. W.B., You appear to be claiming all men are unhealthily competitive when in reality most are just victims of the patriarchal paranoia that views everything as a threat, particularly adult males.


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wabond 7 years ago from England

Hi Andrew

There is a difference in having the Great Mother as Creatrix than having a father god creator. When human beings first thought about who create the world, they first assumed it must be a Great Mother because the whole of life is created in the bodies of mothers. The role of the male in the creation of life is over is a few minutes unlike that of the mother who carries the baby for 9 months and then suckles the baby for a year or more later.

The first diety humans worshipped was the Great Mother. The son, lover or brother of the Great Mother only came later just before patriarchy made its appearance.

I personally do not like the idea of a god and Goddess as equals. Because men are naturally competitive, and you will have the god competiting against the Goddess for power. It is far better to have just the Great Mother and no male god in which to challege Her power.

Yes, I do think of men as idiots and we only have to look at patriarchal history to understand why. Only idiots would settle differences between countries by warfare and genicide. Only extreme idiots would during the cold war between the USSR and USA would deploy enough nuclear weopons againest each other to destroy the world many times over. And come very close during that time to committing global suicide.

Yes, I am a man myself, and i was brought up to be a male chavenist. But unlike many men i do have a mind of my own and have slowly realised the problems of our world are cause directly or indirectly by men. Unless we men wake up to the way we are inflicting, violence, hatred and suffering onto our world, and take responsibility for this, then we will continue to make the same mistacks over and over again. We need to accept we are making a realy poor job is ruling our world and have the sense to allow Women to rule instead.

You cannot divorce masculinity from patriarchy, because who is it who rules patriarchal societies? It is off course men. As the French and Russian revolutions have shown, if you murder the patriarchal ruling elite and put another bunch of men incharge, they will behave as badly, if not worse, than the rulers they have replaced.

Yes, i am sure there are many men throughout the world who do not like to admit what a terrible job men are doing in ruling our world. But we have to face facts and not bury our heads in the sand. With the rise of more and more powerful technologies if men keep on ruling our world, he will sooner or later destroy the world through his aggressive and irrisponsible actions.

We cannot keep going as we are, we need to accept our faults and work to get Women into power. And accept they would make far better rulers of our world than men.

William Bond


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Excellent response, William, and a detailed response, Andrew! Thank you both!

Andrew, I would point out that the male is uneccessary in many species of life that reproduce by parthenogenesis - stick insects, some fish and lizards can all do this and in some types it is the norm! Males, as I understand it, are only to produce genetic variation in such lifeforms but "if it's not broken why fix it" and a species that is all female producing more females can go on indefinitely like this!

Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenogenesis

From a spiritual viewpoint I personally believe that spirit is neither male nor female but in the material universe we are in where there are many dualities and opposites it becomes separated into sexes. Masculine and feminine then also become labels and descriptive adjectives used in our communication and dependent to a large degree on perceived and created values for these aspects of creation. Masculine and feminine charateristics also are used by animals and plants with complex systems of display and behaviour and other signs to show which is which.


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JYOTI KOTHARI 7 years ago from Jaipur

I have never seen so many comments in any hub. It took me a long long to reach to submit a comment.

What a hot hub!!!


Andrew Hawkley 7 years ago

Thanks William and Steve for your responses.

William, when people are having sex are they competing against eachother? Of course not, there are male deities who are entirely associated with indulgence in pleasure. I do not personally need competition to stimulate me; excessive copious amounts of pleasure will do just fine. It is said during times of war more males are born than females. As most men fantasize about being surrounded by women surely most men would choose peace. Though I realize patriarchy has spent thousands of years conditioning men differently.

Thanks for the information Steve, it was very interesting but I regard the sun as masculine and all lifeforms surely need the sun. Another point is that the law of physics is that you cannot create or destroy matter you can only change it. I'm more interested in physical creation rather than abstract gods and goddesses. To me people view the great mother too much like the judeo-christian god; something separate from us creating us. We feed off energy from the sun and the earth and therefore we must be parts of the sun and earth rather than their creations. The great mother and her male counter-balance must come from the same original lump of matter regardless of what forms they take, and whether they are separate or joined. I suppose I'm thinking along the lines of the Greek myth of humans originally having four arms, four legs and two heads.

NEW DICTIONARY:

CREATION: Positive arrangement of matter

DESTRUCTION: Negative arrangement of matter


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wabond 7 years ago from England

Hi Andrew

I don't think you can get away with saying you are not competitive, you are extremely competitive in the way you write your posts.

This is the point i am trying to make. Men are naturally competitive with each other. You can see this is patriarchal religions. Islam and Christainity are very competitive with each other, and within in these religions there are many different sects that are are also competitive with each other. To the degree they can get very violent with each other. Religious wars and genicide is commonplace throughout the history. And when you have god and Goddess religions, the priests of the patriarchal religions will compete with the Goddess religions as well. This is why Goddess religions were destroyed in the past because the priestesses didn't know how to protect themselves against violent male priests.

This is why the masculine needs to be controlled by the feminine. Without feminine control men's competitive instincts get completely out of control and the result is warfare and genicide. It also creates a world of winners and losers, where the winners are extremely rich and powerful and the losers are powerless and live in poverty.

I think you misunderstand the nature of the Great Mother completely. The Great Mother is feminine, therefore she is maternal, nuturing and loves us all unconditionally. The end result of this is oneness. It is the male god that is separate from us, not the Great Mother.

The feminine is the ONE, and the masculine came from the ONE to create individuality. In a purely feminine world we all would be ONE mind ONE spirit, so the masculine was made to create seperation and individuality. So if the feminine dominates then we all return to the ONE, whereas if the masculine dominates then it leads to chaos, because the masculine is, individuality, competition, aggression, fear, hatred, violence, chaos and destruction. (Nuclear warfare is the masculine utimate expression)

So yes, the masculine and feminine needs to work together, but it is important that the feminine controls the masculine, because when the feminine loses control the masculine will destroy itself.

You say that the Sun is natually masculine, it depends on what part of history you are refering to. At one time the Sun was seen as feminine, and there used to be sun goddesses and moon gods, then as patriarchy become stronger then it was change to sun gods and moon Goddesses.

William


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you Jyoti, Andrew and William!

William posted: "The feminine is the ONE, and the masculine came from the ONE to create individuality." Indeed, this is echoed in the forms of life such as stick insects and aphids where they are perfectly able to reproduce as females only producing more females. Males are created to bring new genetic variation (individuality).

And, William beat me to it - I was going to say that the Sun was once regarded as female.


Andrew Hawkley 7 years ago

Thanks for all responses.

However I want to move on to a different issue here. What about female carnivores. Are lionesses and tigresses maternal towards their prey? Obviously not. William Bond, please give your opinion on female carnivores. You seem so quick to pass judgement on herbivore males: rams, bulls, stags and the like.     


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Shalini Kagal 7 years ago from India

Hi Andrew - just came across this and found it interesting: http://www.lionresearch.org/current/cooperation.ht...

In the animal/insect world, I guess bees could be the best example - the Queen Bee ruling and everything else working so wonderfully to perfection in the hive. I wonder - do ants have a Queen too? :)

Wish I hadn't been away from this hub so long - it's taken an interesting turn! I'm guilty of having been against the matriachal system in the early days of this hub (you know what they say about women being their own worst enemies!). However, I see the point the hub is making. What is being advocated I believe (correct me if I'm wrong Bard and William) is the 'Universal/Idea/Ideal' of the Mother Goddess/Matriachal/Sacred Feminine. What we see in the world are the 'Particulars/Reflections of the Idea/Images' which could be diluted and not its pure form. Through the ages, man has probably tried to change the 'Idea' of the feminine and woman has followed suit by trying to incorporate the masculine in her if she wanted to step out of her man-made roles of mother/wife/caregiver.


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BrainFire 7 years ago from The Island

Very nice analogy Shalini!

Please read: http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/goddesssup

I think you may appreciate it. I'm glad to see this hub doing so well. There are great writing skills, and high intelligence behind Bards hubs. A memorable experience, and fact finding tour into the portals of life. There's a lot of Love for Life here. I'm glad to see input. :) And Yes Ants Do have a Queen.

Just stopp'n by... to say hi :)

Do drop in and say hi! :)


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Shalini Kagal 7 years ago from India

'A fact finding tour into the portals of life' - love that - thank you Bard (and Bond) for opening those doors!

And thanks for the info about the Ant Queen :)


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thanks for all your responses, Andrew, Shalini and Brainfire!

I just had the shock to find that Guru Rasa has had her account deleted at YouTube so I apologise for the videos here which no longer work! This shows what opposition is felt to this subject! My question is what has she done to violate terms at YouTube?


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wabond 7 years ago from England

Hi Andrew Hawkley

You said you would like me to comment about female carnivores. Well like all other females they have a maternal instinct as well. In a pride of lions the females work very hard feeding the cubs, while the male lion doesn't bother to do much. He may use his bigger size to bully the lionesses and pinch the food they have hunted, and some male lions even kill and eat the cubs.

It is not about passing judgement, it is about reconsising the fact that women have stronger maternal and nurturing instincts than men, which would make them far better rulers of our world.

William Bond


Writer Rider 7 years ago

I don't think gender should be a qualification for ruling anything. It should be based on skill and qualifications alone, in my opinion.


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

That's great in an ideal world and I would agree with you but we have not been living in one and gender has been used very much as the determining factor and men have predominantly been put in the top positions and given the best pay and public media-manipulated acclaim. If skill and qualifications were what it was based on then obviously far more women would be in charge and they are not.


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BrainFire 7 years ago from The Island

You took the words right out of my mouth Bard. I coundln't have said it better.

Thanks as always

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Andrew Hawkley 7 years ago

But Brainfire, in your society you say "When the crone dies, the next daughter or female takes that position."

That would suggest you value age and royalty above skill and intelligence.

Given the choice between Bloody Mary and Elizabeth the 1st who would you choose?

Also in your society you appear to have a small group that is in charge of everybody else.

I am seriously beginning to worry about where patriarchs got their ideas from.

I do not see why anybody needs to rule the world. I think this video shows the ideal society.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsAowlv1XSc


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

The video scene is according to Wikipedia "staged" and that is what came to mind when I saw it. It is no more than abuse of animals to amuse humans! Wikipedia says:

"some scenes were shown where elephants, warthogs and monkeys got drunk from eating fermented marula fruit. Later research showed that these scenes were improbable and, in all probability, staged. Elephants would need a huge amount of fermented marulas to have any effect on them, and other animals prefer the ripe fruit. The amount of water drunk by elephants each day would also dilute the effect of the fruit to such an extent that they would not be affected by it."

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marula


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The Indexer 7 years ago from UK

Within the Iroquios nation, only women were allowed to vote, although the men did the ruling. The result? 500 years of peace!

Barack Obama has far more of the feminine in his character than most of the women who have come to power in other democracies, so perhaps we shall soon see the real feminine principle at work in the world for the first time in centuries.


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

"perhaps we shall soon see the real feminine principle at work in the world for the first time in centuries." - I would love to think so, so I hope you are right but I very much doubt it if we are looking to Obama to cause this.

Thanks for posting though, Indexer!


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sixtyorso 7 years ago from South Africa

Hi Bard In my experience in business, women are often tougher, more ruthless, and have greater instincts of self preservation (CYA) than most men. They can also be vindictive and hve extremely long memories. So go figure!


Andrew Hawkley 7 years ago

I am perfectly well aware the video could have been staged. That does not stop the concept from being appealing. My point is that the ideal society is one without stupid matriarchs or patriarchs trying to hold back the animal from self-indulgence. 

Men should not learn to behave more like women. Humans should learn to behave more like animals. Preferably herbivores.

The forces of evil that ru(i)n this planet have two things of greater prominence than being male. They are adult and human.

As for women in animal rights I am greatly disturbed by the fact that so many of them seem to think that neutering animals is a perfectly desirable thing that should not be questioned. If this is the so called unconditional love that William Bond speaks of then they can damn well keep it to themselves. 


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Sufidreamer 7 years ago from Sparti, Greece

Great Hub, Mr Bard.

I like Indexer's point - possibly because I have forgotten the rest after scrolling through the comments.

It is not about matriarchal or patriarchal society, but changing the outlook of the individual. Palin and Tha***er had to develop their male side to compete, with devastating results. Thankfully, there are signs that some modern societies are moving the other way. Although it is a slow process, men are beginning to develop their feminine side.

A few years ago, in the North of England, a man who stayed at home, whilst his wife worked, was seen as an emasculated shell. He became the focus of much piss-taking down the pub. Fifteen years later, my friend is a full-time house-husband, looking after the kids. Nobody has a problem with that. Any man who can change that many nappies/diapers has my full respect.

Only one small part of the world, but hopefully a sign that change will come from the bottom upwards, as with Scandanavia.


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Sixtyorso, thanks for your comments!

Andrew, I take your point that "Humans should learn to behave more like animals." The use of the term "behaving like animals" is a nonsense seeing as animals behave in a sane way and as they were created to do.

I also am not happy about many things that "animal-lovers" do and advise and the neutering goes against my feelings but I don't see what other alternative is on offer when the vast number of dogs and cats are compelled to live short lives of suffering. People will not look after the animals that are here but on the contrary will poison them, starve them, torture them, abandon them so worldwide daily millions are killed because there is nowhere for them to live. All shelters are overburdened, understaffed and underpaid. What do you propose should be done?

On this I have no answer! Men animal-lovers and animal rights activists are just as guilty of not seeing anything wrong with neutering and castrating animals. The same treatment for humans if enforced would be classed as evil and barbaric but countless humans agree to be sterilised! I don't know of any animal rights group that does not urge sterilsation of cats and dogs.

The basic idea is that at least this method allows a proportion of the dogs and cats to live and experience happiness in their lives whilst combatting the problem of there being too many. In many cases without this being done it would be totally impossible for people who are willing to look after the animals to do so if the animals they had were able to have more puppies or kittens. Many properties will not even allow pets. Some will allow a small number. I am allowed three cats. On this island there are countless feral cats and abandoned dogs and cats. The lucky ones are rehomed via shelters and the majority of the others die or eek out a short existence. To make the situation worse here a shelter for dogs was recently destroyed to make way for a road and last I saw in the paper it looked likely the dogs will all be killed if someone doesn't offer a new home fast!

It is said that the evil elite who run this nightmare believe there are far too many of us here and Henry Kissinger it was who once referred to us as "useless eaters." They are taking steps to cull "the herd". Wars are a means of doing this. As a member of that herd I object most strongly having no wish to be culled!

My personal feelings are that humans should not have animals period! But seeing as that is impossible I know of no answer.

I also don't agree with vaccinations for animals seeing as I am opposed to ones for humans. Nor do I like the idea of "putting to sleep" and so far have not been faced with this for any animal in my care. I couldn't do it. To my mind it is murdering the one you say you love!  Millions of vets do this daily and get paid large salaries for doing so!

I wish I had some answers for these problems! I nevertheless do think that a matriachal world would be a far better alternative to this one!

Update: And thanks for your thoughts too, Sufidreamer - you posted while I was replying to the others!

 


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BrainFire 7 years ago from The Island

Yes Andrew, that is correct. By the the time the Crone dies, the next in line is already educated, trained, and very versed in responsibilities she will have.

I'm seeing you react to certain things, that seem to bother you to a stressful level. Pointing out, you are actually presenting a point here as to the affect current traditional society has had on you. As well as everyone else.

I could have been a rebel against my heritage, but as I was raised, things were shown to me, and presented to me that are absolutely compelling. It is a destiny that could not be denied, or ignored.

I was actually raised within a very long line of successful Matriarchs, and it's still the current way of my entire family. Nobody has a problem with it, because it is a way of life that actually works. Results throughout history, and even now...speak for themselves.

I suppose one would not realize this, not experiencing Life from a position of Love. Unfortunately it does show that you are lacking that, in your comments.

One must tread lightly on another's feelings, or beliefs. Otherwise you are a prisoner of negative conditioning, which is indeed a Patriarch Trait.

Let's work together as the "Team" we were meant to be, and try sharing the things we believe in, as opposed to attacking one another for being individual.

You are well loved by us Andrew...you just need to learn how to let it in.

I would love for you try something for me. The next comment you make. I would like you to make it from a position/stand point of Love. To do this, you would have a smile on your handsome face, and delicate warm approach to whom you are addressing.

Remembering each person has, emotion, perception, perspective, and concern. How your words will affect them, and what you would like the consequences to be...from "your" words spoken is important. This must be part of the consideration of interacting with other humans. It is imperative you hurt no other person with your words.

I hope you can see clearly to joining what is very positive, and loving. A realm of life that will love you back, protect you, and stand up for you as an idividual. Regardless if you are male, or female. You are in fact loved by us, in case you hadn't noticed.

I'll loan you my shoes to walk in for a while, feel what is being said here, and allow your mind to expand, and grow beyond the usual.

It's really about LOVE.

:)


Andrew Hawkley 7 years ago

On a positive note my local dogs home accepted my 2.5 kilo donation of vegan pet food. I thought to myself why bother trying to convert one or two humans when I can convert hundreds of animals? Home made vegan pet food (which I intend to start on soon) is way cheaper than regular pet food and of course far healthier. I begrudgingly concede that neutering is pretty much the only option available at the moment but people should still think about eventually working towards an alternative. I think blowing a black hole in the factory farming industry is the main thing. Cat and Dog homes can save a lot of money on feed by using vegan produce. Dogs are naturally omnivorous and the taurine that cats need is already synthesised in regular cat food because the intense production process destroys the 'natural taurine'. I'll go into more clarity and detail on my own hub about this issue.

I have never made any claim that women are worse or as bad as men. But the fact that their moral judgement is flawed at all is a problem. I remember one university lecturer who said all animals should be made vegan. As a result he was verbally attacked by everyone in the room regardless of gender. These of course being people who are not in factory farms having their teeth and testicles torn out.

 

 

 

 


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Dame Scribe 7 years ago from Canada

I think if both sexes could agree on a belief that benefits everybody around the world and work towards that goal, then peace and unity could be found. Good topic! :)


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Hillside Auntie 7 years ago

"I think women like Palin and Margaret Thatcher do really believe that a woman has to act like a man to be a success in our patriarchal society. "

Yeah, most people do what they're supposed to.

Let's see, if women ruled the world..

There would be no war: it's stupid , brutish, awful and a woman would have no reason to instigate it.

No over population. What woman in her right mind and control over her life and body would have a dozen kids?

Why have some men always made such an effort through every means possible (laws, religion, etc..) to suppress women? What are they afraid of ?

Just some thoughts...


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MamaDragonfly2677 7 years ago from New York

"God has a chosen race"..... You word this so well. I am so frusterated with religion! Christianity-> A man-made religion-> What ever happened to Mother Nature and Pure Love and Pure Trust? What happened to "An it harm none, Do what thou wilt"? I love your hubs Bard of Ely... I wish you were my personal tutor. Well, actually, you sort of ARE! :) I can hardly wait to read the rest! I'm on my way there now...


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Tom Cornett 7 years ago from Ohio

MamaDragonfly is right about the "Man made religion". The ancient males were afraid of women so they used religion to keep them under control. It is hard to believe that so many women of today still fall for that crap!


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MamaDragonfly2677 7 years ago from New York

Thanks Tom... There are a few of us out there who aren't afraid to speak. I just happen to be one of them! ;)

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obxscribe 7 years ago

Impressive hub. I really think in many ways women do rule the world. Some women can make a king kneel at her feet. Most men are mere whimps in front of a beautiful women. Just give all the power to my wife, she'll straighten everything out in a hurry, lol

Thanks

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JoeyMars 7 years ago

Yes, women rulling the world is the correct way..I'm for it and then let nature handle it for motherhood is always the best way


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SparklingJewel 7 years ago from upper midwest

We are all inherently male and female, and a balance (well, 60/40 ratio-60 being the gender body the soul is wearing this life) is the ultimate goal of our energy integration. The Divine Mother/Father God in our hearts is where I believe we are to head in consciousness for another golden age to come about. It is when our energy falls because divisiveness of our being (male and female)is injected into our consciousness that the trouble begins. It is the not-self of each soul that injects this division so it can continue to rule. So, bottom line is...don't let that not self run your life :D conquer it with love, peace and joy ! :D


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you for your feedback, JoeyMars and SparklingJewel!

Joey, my apologies for just approving this but for some reason it was marked as spam and I hadn't seen it until now when I was given the option of deleting forever or approving as "not spam."


Sierra Bloom 7 years ago

To those who insist on naming the same few nasty females over and over again... let me point out something. A dog that is abused, becomes aggressive. A plant that is grown in poor soil, does not flourish in the way it should.

Is there really any surprise that there are some bitches out there? Come now. Which of our maledom systems would elect a Woman if she was a public proponent of Matriarchy?... none.


Sierra Bloom 7 years ago

Having said that, Mother Love is the most unconditional love there is. Maledom (obviously) makes for an ugly sick cruel world. We need MotherLove and Matriarchy back where it belongs.


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Andrew Hawkley 7 years ago

I wonder what the matriarchal view on sex changes is.

As far as I’m concerned huge fireballs have just as much right to have sex changes as anybody else.

To be honest I first came across the idea of the sun having a gender placed on it in Slaine the Horned God by Pat Mills and Simon Bisley. A mock trailer for the film (which doesn’t exist) can be seen here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRIPAsbhZpM

In the book The Sun God is the villain (probably a reference to the Cult of Aton) but in the story it is mentioned in the past that the sun was worshipped as a goddess. Whilst both ideas had their artistic merit I did not them appealing in reality. I later came across the idea from other sources that the sun was seen as a benevolent masculine entity and the earth as feminine; this from the very logical perspective that the sun ejaculates life into the earth. The earth receives it and then produces life. Females can ejaculate but not with any life giving capacity.

The reality is that saying whether the sun is masculine or feminine depends on what part of history you talk about is like proclaiming that capital punishment is wrong then someone saying that depends what country you look at. What is masculine and feminine is a matter of perception. If people want to view the sun as feminine then fine but that idea doesn’t do much for me.

The problem is that people like William Bond want everything to be absolutist. They say the masculine is absolutely one way and the feminine the other. (A perspective very typical of patriarchal societies.) Even if this were the case you do not make a fruit juice out of an apple and orange and say this is a 100% apple juice drink or a 100% orange juice drink. So nor should you make a child out of a man and woman and say this is a completely male entity or a completely female entity. All foetuses are “completely” female when they begin growing and then some become “male”.

The Australian Cassowary is a good example of where William Bond’s gender stereotypes are reversed. In this breed of species the female is distinctly larger than the male and is very aggressive. She does not care anything for the chicks and as soon as she lays the eggs she ups and leaves. The male is left to incubate the eggs alone and can lose up to a third of his bodyweight whilst doing so. He then continues to look after the chicks until they are the equivalent of teenage years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassowary

This is not nit picking it is merely pointing out that some male run systems work perfectly well and so there should be no reason to interfere with them. If a male run Buddhist vegetarian monastery lives perfectly peacefully then why try to change it?

As I clearly wrote “To me people view the great mother too much like the judeo-christian god; something separate from us creating us.”

I gave up on this initially as William Bond clearly couldn’t be bothered to read anything exactly as I’d written it but I will have another go for any neutral viewer.

If we are all made up of the same stardust matter then we are all made up of parts of the goddess. The least separative concept of all is one where physical mortals are actually made up of parts of the divine deity. William Bond on the other hand speaks of a perfect wonderful deity that created all things and gave humans the gift of freewill which they betrayed. What sort of religion does that remind you of?

Any concept of superiority brings with it separation. People like William Bond seem to want to have it both ways. He claims that we will all be one underneath a matriarchal society yet some of us will be superior and more important than others. As he makes clear in this rather appalling quote:

“People in patriarchal societies run around like headless chickens, simply because they try to solve all problems through their very limited intellectual minds.”

The sum of what William and Brainfire are saying is that you are a well loved highly expendable idiot. This does not inspire confidence.

One thing prominent in patriarchal societies is that the elites think that they are intellectually superior to the rest of us. How can William and Brainfire say that this is not true of them. William claims that patriarchal society brought about the idea of the individual (which I disagree with) if anything the individual is what is most under threat in modern societies. He himself though goes on about his individual mind and implies that this is the way to stop yourself from being one of the world’s 50% of idiots.

It appears that much like under a patriarchal society, in matriarchal society individuality will be granted to its “enlightened thinkers” but not to the rest.

If being competitive means insisting you are superior to others then it is a term that applies very well to William Bond. I have only ever believed myself to be superior to people who believe themselves to be superior to me. Concepts of moral superiority are initially wrong but if people are going to force it on you then you need some form of rebuttal. I do not seek out competition only to improve my position. Seeking out competition is a good way to get yourself killed. A compulsively competitive person is someone who would rather earn £20,000 a year while their neighbour earns £19,000 a year than be someone who earns £99,000 while their neighbour earns £100,000 a year. I certainly fall into the latter category. But if being competitive means possessing a moral viewpoint then I will stand guilty of it. Perhaps William might like to place himself in the position of a well-loved highly expendable idiot and see if he does not feel the urge to become competitive. (i.e. disagree)

William Bond clearly believes we should live in a society where we are controlled and subordinated and I unfortunately feel he is using the term “unconditional love as a euphemism for unconditional surrender. The problem is if you wish to base society on unconditional love then any evil idiot can come along and say I have unconditional love give me a position of authority. Anybody wanting a position of authority would be advised to come up with an unconditional food supply rather than an unconditional metaphysical gift.

As I think you will remember B.O.E. when you posted a myspace blog about Live H2O. I think it clearly shows the dangers of authoritarians using the concept of love to get submission out of people and to homogenize their minds.

http://www.liveh2o.org/


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Andrew, I am well aware of the Sun being originally thought of as female but in relation to male and female in terms of spirit I don't think these divisions exist. We need these terms as concepts for human communication in a world of yin/yang opposing forces. The very oriental philosophy that teaches those terms also teaches that everything is in a state of changing and can swing more yang or more yin. As for male parents in the animal world that look after the young I can think of many too: in many species of fish such as the Siamese fighting fish and types of gourami it is the male who looks after the nest, the eggs and the babies and drives the cannibalistic female away, so too with the stickleback. A pair of male homosexual penguins recently made the news by their 'female role' behaviour of rearing a chick. In black swans it is common for gay males to hatch and rear cygnets.

That being said, in terms of matriarchy and patriarchy we are talking as much about qualities and behaviour as of gender. It is fact that men are in charge of the insanity we live in. It is nearly all men who are in the secret societies and who founded them, not women, it is all men who make wars and who run the banks that fund them and make money from them, not women! So seeing as this world has become the nightmare it has descended into under male control it is logical to my way of thinking that women would make a far better job of it. I note that it is mainly women who are concerned with animal rights. It is women who care about life. Men for whatever reason kill it. Even now men at NASA are going to send a bomb to the Moon in October and this is more typical male patriarchal behaviour - bash it, beat it, bomb it, kill it! This is "macho" male behaviour.


loubeeloo 7 years ago

Lucretia Borgia... victim of incest & forced (politically motivated)marriage!.. most crime committed by women is the end result of economic, social & domestic servitude (the statistics bear this out).

To look at the way women are now, after thousands of years of oppression & brainwashing, is really not going to provide an accurate portrayal of 'womanhood'. Surely people realise that, especially over the last few decades, women's roles have been devalued & compared to men's more than ever before in history...

we are seen as baby-breeding chattels on the one hand & then, because of this, told that we should re-direct our energies into being 'productive' in the ways that men are .... then we are further reprimanded for having lost our 'femininity'.... sorry guys, but you have created the monster in the image of yourselves!...

Women are so screwed up trying to find their rightful place in the modern world, that they think the answer is to drink beer, fight in the streets, sleep around, have surgery to alter their bodies, give their children to others to feed & educate & care for and to repress their emotions for fear of being percieved as WEAK!... Men often walk out on women & their children, & then those women are painted in the media & politics as a scourge upon 'society', especially if they want to take proper care of & responsibility for those children... then the child grows up without being 'parented' and so never knows itself how to be a parent... so the cycle of the de-valuing of 'womanhood' continues!... SAD!


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Excellent points you have made there, Loubeelou! Thank you!


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Lucy83 7 years ago

The problem is that most people are ignoring the basic laws of nature.

Can you REALLY assert that, in a female ruled society, there will be no freaks who want to cause trouble and take control? Of course not. But if all the others are pacifist, peaceful and non-violent, then those few freaks will walse in and take everything over because there's no resistance.

Later, of course, there will be some people who say "this madness has to stop" and start a resistance to the mad freaks and the only way to get them out is by force. The result is a war - EXACTLY like most wars have been so far.

Basic law of Nature: Unless everybody gets everything they want, there will be conflict, and those who refuse to use force leave the world to those who don't. This has nothing to do with male or female. The only reason that women could get by without using force, is because they had men to do it for them.

We should be more appreciative of men. If it wasn't for men, we'd either still be living in caves or we'd have become just as violent and aggressive in order to keep the peace.

http://hubpages.com/relationships/Im-so-glad-Im-no

I'm not against a female led society. I just don't think it would be any better.


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thanks for posting, Lucy! I can see your point but I would still prefer a matriarchal world to this insanity! I don't think it would be possible for women to make such a mess as this one! It really has been that the majority of acts of violence, warfare, rape and murder have been committed by men! Statistically it is men that are the far more dangerous and violent sex.


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Lucy83 7 years ago

Actually, perhaps it would be a good idea to have a matriarchy.

I think we're all curious what will happen because now we can only speculate.

I certainly like running things but thats just me.

True, the majority of violence is done by men, but it's only a tiny minority of men who do it. Also men are the majority of victims of violent assault (except rape of course). My boyfriend gets very upset when he hears that men are violent and dangerous - rightfully so because he's as harmless and innocent as any creature can be.


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

I first noticed it when I was a little kid that it was always the boys who would be fighting and you had to watch out for because they would be more likely to bully you or beat you up. I had my collarbone broken by a boy who beat me up and broke my arm by being pushed off the roof of a shed by another boy. I grew up thinking boys and men were far more dangerous than girls and women.

Yes, I agree it is still a minority of men but they are successful and powerful in the world as it is and then they manipulate and encourage other men into indulging in violence as in wars and promoting violent sports like boxing. Perhaps in a matriarchal world these men could be kept prevented from being powerful and stopped from encouraging a violent society?

I am sure animals would have much better lives in a world ruled by women too - it is nearly always women who are passionate animal activists. Yes, there are men who care about animal rights but I think the women far outnumber them!

Again that was something I saw when I was a child that boys did horrible things like catching newts and killing them with penknives. Girls never did that. So I think in general that boys and men are more often cruel to animals than women are.


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Lucy83 7 years ago

I'm sorry you had those experiences as a child. I can understand how that would shape your view of MANkind. I don't disagree as long as we remember to praise those who are good at heart.

Perhaps society needs to celebrate those men more who are peaceful. My impression is that the bad guys are far more rewarded. They get all the attention, the female admirers, the political power etc. Perhaps its all our fault for rewarding the wrong men.


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Well it is all "bad guys" who run the world and has been for thousands of years of conquests and empire-building, invasions, wars, slavery and domination. The kings, emperors and generals far far outnumber their female counterparts for having caused these things. And its male inventors who come up with the bombs and weapons and other very dangerous inventions.


loubeeloo 7 years ago

during the move to abolish slavery in America it was women who were in the majority of the white people who spoke out against it... quite simply, women have more compassion!... Some are violent & psychotic, but in lesser numbers than men... just like some men are gentle & sensitive, but in lesser numbers than women.


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Good points, Loubeeloo! Thank you!


Chris 6 years ago

I believe it was also just one senator, a female, that voted against the U.S. entering WWII after Japan bombed Pearl Harbor.


Chris 6 years ago

I don't know how I feel about a matriarchy. I know you mentioned female animals as being nurturing and gentle except when they're hunting food. I watched a show on Animal Planet called Meerkat Manor which was a nature show that followed and documented a tribe of meerkats. Anyway, the tribe is led by the alpha female named 'Daisy' that rules over the tribe. The alpha male has no real authority. He just has the privilage to mate with Daisy. There are beta females that serve to babysit and take care of the alpha females young. On one particular show the tribe was in the middle of a famine where food was becoming scarce. One of the beta females recently got impregnated by a rogue male. After the beta delivered her litter the alpha female, Daisy, sought out and destroyed the litter, fearing that the litter would take food away from her litter. This doesn't sound like real gentle female behavior. This was just the tip of the ice burg. Daisy would ofter times horde food for herself and forget about her pups.


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Bard of Ely 6 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

That is Meerkat matriarchy not human matriarchy.

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paige 26 6 years ago

men are very useful for some things. like as protectors, lifting heavy things, building things, fixing my car, navigating, etc... now that our cities are built and established, i think it's time for us women to take over. men, thanks for the cars, electronics, and highways, but we can take it from here. you have built a lovely looking world for us to live in but boy did you also screw things up big time. this world needs to be nurtured back to health now. and who are the nurturing professionals? women. it's a fact, get used to the idea. men are all about violence and weapons including the weapon they are born with...their penis. they use it to rape women way too much. in places like the middle east, rapists are not being punished because the authorities are also men. the men here in the U.S. don't seem to care about what's happening to those poor women over there either. i'm always telling guys i work with or men in my family even about these issues and they just don't give a damn. most men are cold-hearted. notice i said "most" not "all". i personally don't like cold-hearted people running the show.


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Bard of Ely 6 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Good points, paige 26! Thank you!


Gina 6 years ago

About what you say about religion...

Although the Church has tried to bring up a patriarchial interpretation of the Bible, it is not necessarily the right one. Not only do we have people like Ms. Elise Sutton who declare themselves both religious and Female Supremacist, but let me tell you why I for one disagree with the patriarchial view of a bad "Eve".

1) Adam and Eve were cursed after the sin in that Adam would then rule Eve. We clearly see that is only a "lower" form of living, when males dominate, coming from a curse. It is clear from the story that to overcome the curse, humanity must move on to Matriarchy and Female rule.

2) Eve might have sinned but is NOT considered a bad person in the Bible. There are many positive figures in the Bible who have also sinned (both male and Female).

3) Eve is not the ONLY woman in the Bible. There are also others, like Deborah, who was the ruler of the Israelites.

4) The Church is KNOWN to distort things always, in MANY contexts. They are the ones who brought on the myth that Jews must be persecuted, and now even the Pope has asked for forgiveness. They are the ones who kept the world from moving on in the Dark Ages until Europe rebelled against them. They are NOT, therefore, the authority which I recommend you rely upon when interpreting the Bible.

Gina


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dilipchandra12 5 years ago from India

If women ruled the world there would be no wars. But, Just a bunch of jealous countries not talking to each other.


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Sa`ge 5 years ago from Barefoot Island

Did any of you think WHY and WHO called what Eve did a SIN?

and was it really a sin? or was it a way of putting women down and opening the door to men?

You all banter to much about nothing! lol Start talking about something that you can do instead of something that has been done or what if this or that..... What are you doing NOW about any of this that you throwing around in here! That's what would be interesting to read! :D hugs :D


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Momo 5 years ago

Deborah was a prophetess of Yahweh, you stupid idiots must read instead of being ignorant.


Dale 5 years ago

I don't believe the world would be a better place if women ruled the world. Women of power throughout history have made the same mistakes and have shown the same human fallibility that man has. The idea of a woman ruled world still supports one group having control over another and that cannot be a good thing. While there are theories of religion that support a women deity, there is no evidence supporting that a society run by women was better. If it was better, why a revolution, why a change to a male dominated society. The answer is, it never existed. It's a concept, an idea, but like all ideas and concepts in practice it adhered to the same principle failings of all governing principles and ideas; once humans are involved natural selection and need for dominance rears itself. I feel for the human race to truly reach a point where there is no war, famine, etc. we need to work together, men and women, all races and creeds, to envision and develop a world where none of the crimes against humanity exist. You cannot do that with only one segment of the population ruling. The history of the world lends itself to this argument. I find the idea of saying everything is better with women ruling is simply passing the buck and not addressing our failings as human beings in getting everyone on board and everyone involved. Stop making excuses as a community, get away from the blame game, and get involved and make the changes needed together.


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newday98033 5 years ago

I think women running the world is great since then they would all the work instead of just most of it. Also, women would gravitate toward having their period at the same time across the planet, which is good reason for a week long fishing trip every month. (For men).

Finally, women would have to keep themselves in exquisite condition since they would be competing with other women all the time instead of just at parties and such.

I guess that sums it up.


Ashish 5 years ago

I find this hub REALLY amazing! Thanks for all..

But coming to an argument, in my view The world wouldn't be so much developed if rulers are female..as most of our comments are based on supporting matriarchal society but as a college student i feel patriarchal society quite important and successful as compared to that ruled by female..This is because, according to my experience the females are not understanding in nature,..they don't want to tolerate..and in wholesome they are egotistic(most of them)so i think male can do better as compared to female

Ashish


MetalGecko 4 years ago

I honestly can't believe I read all of this lol. Because I did I guess I will ask a question that I didn't see brought up.

That question is, in a Matriarchal what role would males play? Or is there a desire to abolish the male sex completely? If all the leadership is given to females how would they have the time to moniter everything and still be maternal and raise children? Would a new type of caste system arise were males are drone works and some females are raisers of children for those leaders. Like the Greek perfect democracy was quickly realised as impossible because one would require slaves to do the everyday work while the decisions were being made by the citizens.

Ancients times had in many ways simpiler problems. Leaders had to worry about far less things. Mostly just survival. If we went to Matriarchal would we need to revert back to anicent concerns only? I only voice this because our current system while incompetent doesn't strictly remove half of the potential population for leadership roles. Sure females are not correctly represented but they can make it to the top.

So I guess it all just boils down to as a male if I were going to live in this new society what purpose do I have? If I can not persue my indivduality who am I? Am I just a slave to machine mindlessly working towards the good of all? Or can I wonder about the cosmos and expand my mind in peace as I've always sought for myself?


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

My understanding of it would be a reversal of the situation we have been and are living under where it is mainly men in the top decision making positions of power. Yes, woman can "make it to the top" now but when they do they are still playing by the rules of the patriarchal system. Margaret Thatcher, Hillary Clinton, and more recently Sarah Palin, being good examples of powerful women working within patriarchy. It would no longer be a system with men at the top. Same would go for families. The mother would be the head not the father. In a new matriarchal society you would simply be working for women as the bosses and heads of companies. Your individual interests and talents are not affected unless they some form of military and war-making destructiveness. Useful and creative work would be encouraged.


MetalGecko 4 years ago

So worker drones? A male wouldn't be allow to lead then. So he could learn but never teach or be a scientist but never lead a team. Or father children but never raise them...which then what is the point. I don't want children to pass my DNA, I honestly couldn't care about that. This all just sounds like creating a second class of human. Rather similar to slavery don't you think? Sure you could say that we would be cared for but used none the less. That sounds horrifying to me.

Personally it all smacks of knee jerk reaction and fear. Fear of being male and what that encompasses. I'm in the military yet have been considered the most kind and affectonate man most women have ever met. I believe in equality that men and women have to work together to bring a better future. I am not afraid of myself so I easily control all my urges. I don't find men of power to be evil or stupid just weak...very very weak. Unable to control themselves and unable to stand up for what they know is good. Ironcially I think its because we are a world of men raised by men. Me I was raised by my mother because my father well sucked. But my uncles and grandfathers were there to teach me how to be a man. I had a join education on life.

I'm not implusive, not aggressive (but protective), not overly sexual (sometimes considered not enough lol). An all 3 of my brothers are the same and they were raise just like me. Most men I know were raised this way and I love for the qualities they show.


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Now where did I say any of this? You posted: "So worker drones? A male wouldn't be allow to lead then. So he could learn but never teach or be a scientist but never lead a team. Or father children but never raise them." I said women would be at the top not that men would not be allowed to be scientists or teachers.

The idea of equality of males and females is a great ideal but we don't have it. This world is run by men in positions of power and with male religions with male gods. These patriarchal religions are what the masses are brought up with.

You say that "men of power" are "very weak" which is almost a contradiction in meaning, and I would agree, so wouldn't we be a lot better off giving women the chance of replacing them? The only fear is that of seeing the nightmare reality of the world run by men becoming even worse!


MetalGecko 4 years ago

It was just a conclusion. If you place one group of people at the top then all decisions are made only by them. So if you were a teacher you could only teach what the leadership allows. We live in a world were this is already happening so replacing the leaders isn't a solution to the problem rather just a change of clothes.

Men of power are weak and it does come off as a contradiction. The reality is that they have no power what so ever. It is just intangible concepts that they use to give themselves power. Money has no meaning unless you give it one. Yet all power currently is gained through money. Not mastery of ones self, not harmony with your surroundings.

You say equality is an ideal but so is a society ruled by women. We don't have that either. An if what you believe is true and it used to be that way, it isn't now. It then must of failed us too. It is nice to be able to put your destiny in another's hands and not make the hard choices. It just doesn't solve problems. The hardest choice to make is actually making yourself an equal to women. An not placing them above or below you. We have had both ways so far but not equal governorship... how about we try that. :)

If we gave leadership over to women how would we curb our natural desire for excellence? Our aggression, protective qualities, curiosities and competitiveness?

I'm sorry if I come off as aggravating. But I like to ask questions and prod places to learn. Even if it makes people slightly uncomfortable lol.


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

You make good points and I can see the logic in this idea of equality and have heard many other people who go on about it but it isn't happening. It is still mostly men that run things, men still get higher wages etc. A part of the equality idea was grabbed onto by feminists but they then often attempt to look like men and dress like men...I am sure you have seen examples of such women. They are not men! This makes little sense because the sexes are not equal. Men are in general physically bigger and stronger. Women tend to live longer. That is how it is, not how people want it to be but how humans are.


Jerk 4 years ago

In order for women to be in charge the female would have to be the dominant (stronger)

sex, meaning the woman would have to be the one with the muscle. If this was the case a mans role would be reduced to being a workforce and for procreational purposes (donator of sperm). I believe that the mans importance compared to the females would be so much less in a society that it would not evolve no where close to equality, but resemble more a bee nest type of society.


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

There can be no equality anyway. Males in general are physically bigger and stronger so that gives them an unequal advantage when it comes to many physical activities. On the other hand women statistically live longer than men. How can there be equality when one sex has superior abilities in some fields? A man might want to give birth but this is impossible. People keep going on about equality but it simply does not exist because the sexes are very different and so they are superior or inferior when considering various functions.


Jerk 4 years ago

Yes, and I believe that being inferior or superior in various functions is what creates a balance between the two sexes. If the male was to be striped of his advantage in strength he would loose so much of his importance in the social hierarchy that a state of imbalance would be created, maybe to such an extent that the human would not have been able to survive to this day. In any case I believe that most of the decisions made that have led us to this day (and is still leading) come out of practical solutions and in that way both men and women share the same way of thinking.


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

If women and men share, as you maintain, the same "way of thinking" why have we has the nightmare situation the planet is in been allowed to happen? I would maintain that it is the result of male thinking as it it men that have been in control!


Jerk 4 years ago

What I am talking about are the practical solutions that have led us to this day. Most of the problems created come from the fact that there has been a problem (energy problem, food problem) and people have come up with a practical solution for it (fossil fuels, nuclear power, agriculture). I believe this is the way we still solve things in the world today. What problems have come out of this is something that ppl have not been able to anticipate. I believe that war has also been a practical solution for a problem. In this way I believe women and men think alike. If a tribe led by women suddenly run out of food and water, I do not believe that the tribe will just let themselves starve, they either hunt and if that don't work they go to the neighboring tribe and "ask" for help. You fail to take into consideration our past and you are only focusing on the modern days. What kind of creatures women would have evolved into if they were the ones with the muscle?

Many societies have lived in harmony and peace and do you know what happened to many of these cultures? They got overrun by cultures that do not take kindness into consideration that much. Being bad is also a way of survival. Competition is survival, it is what has led us to this day. There is no way I could believe that there would not be war if women ruled the world. When women make babies her children are the most important thing in her life, right? Well what happens if some thing or someone threatens her child how does the woman react? In nature one of most dangerous creature you can encounter is a "mother" protecting it's jung because they can be so aggressive.


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Tenerife Islander 4 years ago from Tenerife

So basically you think wars is necessary? I am saying that men make war. Women do not. Men fight in war by sending mostly other men to fight and die. It is a male activity. There is no reason at all that there should be insufficient, food, water and resources except the grossly unfair way the planet has been managed and the resources distributed and wasted. All of this has been done, often deliberately, by men!


Jerk 4 years ago

Where do I state that war is necessary? But yes I believe that if someone attacks you, you have to defend yourself and in this way knowing how to fight is necessary for your freedom. Back in the days when we were very dependent on nature I believe the scarcity of resources was quite common. http://stutzfamily.com/mrstutz/population/pophisto... .... I suggest you read this before you make such statement, considering that resource scarcity has been one of the biggest problems in human history, and probably the reason for war. When a civilization is faced with extinction I believe that both males and females alike would come to the same conclusion in order to save themselves. We believe that the wrongdoings of mankind come solely from the evil minds of individual persons and is a comforting thought but I am afraid it's not exactly true.


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

You posted "I believe that war has also been a practical solution for a problem."

All these past empires and cultures in the article on that link are examples of patriarchal ones that like those of today will make war on other nations to steal resources.


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wabond 4 years ago from England

There has always been the justification for war like, "we were attacked, the other guy is evil, we are fighting for freedom" and all this sort of bullshit. Patriarchy goverments can always find a excuse to go to war.

Fighting and robbing each other when resource are scarce is a masculine solution to problems. Not only are patriarchal goverments willing to rob the resources of other countries they will do the same to their own people. In times of famine the rich and powerful will still be all right, as they will use a army of thugs to rob the people, and let them starve to death.

Off course this is justified by the concept of the "survivial of the fittest". The rich and powerful are 'fit' and the poor are 'unfit' and deserve to die. This is great if you are rich and powerful but not much help if you don't have a lot of money and power.

So why can't we live in a society where people help and support each other, even in times of famine? Clearly this doesn't happen while we have men rule our world. But it if far more likely to happen if women ruled instead. Female rulers wouldn't want to see children die of starvation. So they would do their best to save them. So they would use all the resourses of the country to save children and not go to war to rob others or to rob the people they rule. This is a far more sensible and compassionate way to rule a country.

Most of the problems in our world are created by totally incompetent patrairchal goverments. For instance we live in a overpopulated world, and patriarchal goverments don't seem to be able to do anything about this. But there is a easy solution and that is to empower women. In Europe where women have control over their own bodies most of them choose to have only two children. So the population of Europeons is falling, (it is only immigration that keeps keeps the population of Europe growing). Whereas in most third world countries there is social pressure on women to keep on producing children whether she wants them or not.

We are suppose to be an intellegent animal so we should be able to solve the problem of overpopulation and with modern technology we should be able to feed the world easy. But we are being ruled by incompetent patriarchal goverments who only look for short term solutions and care nothing for the poor, and think that war and conflict are the solutions to all problems.

This is why we need sane and sensible women rule our world, instead of men, where through five thousand years of recorded history have shown that they make a terrible job in ruling our world.


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Bard of Ely 4 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you for your great feedback, William!


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BrainFire 4 years ago from The Island

Our current societal collapse is and has been at the hands of men. I am seeing examples of opinions against certain females in our current patriarch society. These people, as with all people are a product of a patriarch rule. This is how they turned out under brutal control. Had they been given the chance to run things in a matriarchal setting, with zero patriarchal damages...it would in fact be completely different.

I grew up in a real Matriarch family, on both sides. No men have ever been in charge in my family, and I can assure you it works well. There was no statements like, go ask your father, or anything like that. It was completely natural, and productive having Women run everything. I cannot recall any time period where the Women of my family felt they couldn’t handle this position. It was never questioned, and nobody attempted to change it, including the men.

Although nothing is perfect, striving for perfection and harmony is a normal process despite the impossibility of achieving it. You have to go back to the beginning to determine how it would have gone, had tyrants not killed off all the females. Assessing them at this point in time would be inappropriate as they have been forced to maneuver within a tyrannical atmosphere. I’m one of them, and can factually state it is not an easy task. To put it very mildly.

The pendulum is swinging the other way now, in light of the massive damages that we are witnessing before us now. It is very evident that what these tyrannical men have done...has indeed failed miserably. You are living their wrath as you read this hub. Your life, your plans, your goals are of no importance to tyrants. You want the world to be a better place? You desire to have a productive future of any kind? Then you talk to the Women, not men. The current patriarchs in rule have already deemed you expendable. On the Matriarch side, we disagree.

This is so incredibly vast, and at times beyond ones comprehension that it could be fixed. It can, and it will be fixed. On a scale of 1 - 10, we are at a level 8 of a Matriarchy. I speak from a position of fact, study, and research for over 30 years now. The proof is there for all to research, and follow. Women do not need a pat on the back, or even acknowledgment. We proceed very quietly, in a stealth mode to simply get the job done. There really is no time for nonsense, people are dying every second that passes.

Should you wish to challenge me on what I have studied and researched for most of my life now, feel free. Best to have equal credentials in place if you are to have any impact. Otherwise you are considered spouting off at the mouth from your ingrained patriarchal brainwashing, which I actually expect. You are merely their drone, and they think nothing of you if you die tomorrow. You are merely a number on their list.

When you have a situation that is completely wrong, the confusion amongst the masses was part of the plan. Tyrannical patriarchs do not want you to think for yourself. They merely want you as a slave to their profiteering. Actually these tyrannical forces have enslaved the majority of life forms on this planet. People eat enslaved animals, as if this were “normal”. It probably is, if you were raised this way. As many were, and are. I can assure you it was not meant to go this way. A factually based conclusion, based on intense studies and research. The opening of the mind, and expansion of the brains capacity allows one to see beyond the immediate chaos. In order to challenge me on this, you would need to go research this for more than 25 years, and meet me back here when you are done. Or you can choose to differentiate between what is real, and what is not, and take my word for it. You cannot discount, or devalue 30 years worth of studies with a frivolous comment or statement. I see a lot people doing this.

When you write an opposition against a particular subject, it would behoove one to actually have the facts in hand, as opposed to your mere opinion. Your mere opinion is empty if you have no involvement in the compilation of facts, and historic data. It is more advantageous to look at all the facts, as opposed to remaining narrow minded. Anyone can conclude that a Matriarchy “is” what will save humanity, the animals, and planet. This is not opinion it’s fact.

Furthermore in light of our current economic/societal collapse the patriarchal system thought nothing of your life, or mine. Whether you are male or female they feel you are of no importance, and they will merely line you up to die on their schedule of profit. Will you remain one of their drones? Do you see the beacon that is now present? The Women “are” the only ones people can count on who have their best interests in mind. Or you can cry to the patriarchs about your forced plight, but it’s likely they will laugh at you, and send you over to the death squad for evaluation, and reconditioning. The drugging of the drones is the current modus operandi of your patriarchs. Will “you” be standing in line in preparation for what they have in store for you?

Look around you and find the real answers. Come with me if you want to live. The Matriarchs feel you are important, and worthy of saving. Watch as LOVE conquers the love of power. They are no match for what is taking place on our planet today. Today has never happened before, and it will never happen again. Yesterday becomes historic, and permanent. How does “your” tomorrow look with the patriarchs? May Love find you, and save you.

LOVE to all!


Jerk 4 years ago

Okay I hope you are right. Personally I don't see any exact proof of this difference in my surrounding. Yes I admit that women are more affectionate and less violent etc but that does not mean that women don't resolve to violence and acts of selfishness. In the end I believe it will come down to the same problem as with male leaders, and that is to find the people that are going to be able to lead in the best way. It would be interesting to see some of this data that you have been able to obtain. Also I do not believe that all bad things are a result of people just being greedy, there are other problems we are facing as well and these problems are not going to be solved as easy as chopping off some heads.


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limpet 2 years ago from London England

This is one of the most illuminating sites on the web

thank you for all of the comments

Yes! Some males DO 'get off' grovelling to Women

i've done it myself in my adolescence but taking a

mature approach had i heeded the tenant of 'Never

underestimate the power of Woman' and more

importantly 'It is a Woman's prerogative to change

Her mind' my life would have been more fulfilling!


Jeff 2 years ago

I think we are overlooking something.

In PATRIARCHY, the MEN are in charge of the decisions: not to degrade women, but to take care of them as MEN presumably know better.

In MATRIARCHY, the WOMEN are in charge of the decisions: not to degrade men, but to take care of them as WOMEN know better.

In either case, the relationship is NOT based upon one gender TAKING from the other; rather, that one gender voluntarily submits to the other in faith and trust.

So, I welcome meeting a woman that I can trust and put my faith in.

jeff@wisdomfans.com


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Bard of Ely 2 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this!


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limpet 17 months ago from London England

In my novelette 'Birth of an Empire' which was the continuation of 'Cauldron of souls' the plot line was set in a central Eurasian matriarchy ruled by a powerful Queen. But i had to abandon the project as i had unwittingly plagiarised a 1936 Hindi film on the subject. Zhadeep was the ruler of this society 'Bi Laz'. Three ladies assisted in the royal circle, a dame divinity for spiritual their needs, this was Merkah who was an ascetic. Maglia who was dame commander of the 300 battle maidens who kept out the barbarian hordes, then there was Oriana who dispensed justice for all. Suffice to say they had longetivity due to healthy life style. Women did not perform a domestic role and it was down to the males to bake the bread and weave the cloth. The closest place to paradise on Earth.


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Bard of Ely 17 months ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thanks for your comments! That is interesting about your project. It is a shame it had to be abandoned.


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limpet 12 days ago from London England

Now that Britain has a new Prime Minister the second woman to lead the government in this office. I happen to have learned of her popularity in the heartland around her electorate.


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Bard of Ely 12 days ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thanks for commenting! It will be interesting to see how the UK does under her leadership.

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