Important question: Why is it mainly men who kill, torture and destroy?

What is the cause of male violence?

Since I was a little boy I have observed with horror that it is mainly male humans who are violent and cruel and of course I have wondered why this is? I chose to stay away from such boys as much as possible and I found many were also bullies as well as being cruel to animals.

Now as a middle-aged man I am convinced that the only logical way forward for the human race to go is for matriarchy to be the way that the world is run. I have concluded this because men over and over and over and over again show themselves to be killers, to indulge in violence against other humans, to torture and act in ways that are horrifically cruel, and to destroy life.

Recorded history of male violence

All recorded history is a grisly tale of wars and male leaders. Even its gods are gods of war! It is a grim tale of invasions, conquests, battles, and domination of men over women, of powerful men against other races they feel are inferior, against animals and against the world of nature and the planet herself. Male inventors are rewarded for creating true weapons of mass destruction. Billions and billions pay not for life-giving help for people or to make life better but to make the military forces even better equipped and trained as killers.

If we examine statistics in the news or otherwise we find that the majority of violent crimes of murder, rape and animal cruelty are committed by men. It is always male serial killers. The lone gunmen and psychos are always male.

I have been inspired to write this hub by a recent news story, which serves as an example of exactly what I mean. Four young Australian men are reported to have savagely wounded a 75-year old "tame and docile" and "nearly blind" flamingo in a zoo. Please read the full story here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7699092.stm

Men in Malta

Another story I recently read was about men in Malta who defy conservation and hunting laws to shoot endangered birds that have to fly over the island on the migration routes. I read a similar report last year which said that these men regard this as showing how "macho" they are. I would say it shows how thoughtless and evil they are!

And if evil is caused by the Devil and demons as religions tell us I have a big question: why is it that these evil spirits are able to make men act in evil ways far more easily than they can women? Does this mean that women are actually better and stronger and more able to resist these demonic forces?

David Icke

If we deny the existence of evil spirits but we accept theories like the one that David Icke has become famous for talking about - that reptilian aliens can control minds from another dimension and that these beings exist in human hybrid bloodlines, which are in all the positions of real power on the planet - again the question must be asked: why are male humans influenced by these evil reptilians and why is it nearly all males that Icke can name as examples of such hybrid beings?

If we do not accept the existence of demons or reptilians, which may well be the same thing, but consider there is a scientific explanation, then we are left with the idea that the male hormone testosterone causes men to fight and kill and be aggressive. Again this doesn't answer the question adequately because there are very many men who are peaceful and yet show plenty of evidence of having a good supply of male hormones in their bodies. So why are men cruel and why are men killers?

In my opinion the question of why men kill and destroy is probably the most important question that needs to be answered. Nearly every problem the world faces now is the result directly or indirectly of actions and decisions made by men. Who makes the wars? Men! Who own and direct the globalist companies? Men! Who own the banks and are heads of the banking families? Men! And if you want to research conspiracy theories where the Illuminati get the blame for it all - once again they are all men!

Men are the rulers of the world with their patriachal system, which embraces science, politics, the media, education and religion. Men create the fabulously wealthy and poverty that billions suffer and die in. Men create the climate of fear, men are the terrorists, men are the inventors and wielders of weapons of mass destruction and it is men who have caused the nightmare state of the world we live in!

And it is not brave men but cowardly ones! It is men we never see. It is men that send other young men into war. It is men who fight against weaker victims just like bullies of childhood and just like the young Australian men who can so cruelly wound an aging flamingo!

© 2008 Steve Andrews

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CJStone 7 years ago from Whitstable, UK

Hi Steve, no I don't buy this argument. If it's only men who are responsible for all the evil in the world, then how come we can find women acting in this way too? For example, Condoleeza Rice, who actively supports Israeli attacks upon Palestinians, including children, or Madeleine Albright, who, when it was pointed out that sanctions against iraq were killing millions of children under the age of five, said that it was a price worth paying? Or Margeret Thatcher, who ordered the sinking on the Belgrano and consequently the unleashing of the Falklands War and all the deaths that entailed? Or in history, Livia, the wife of Augustus, mother of Tiberius who even poisoned members of her own family to get power for her favoured son? Or Lucretia Borgia, and a million other ambitious and ruthless women throughout history? Once you allow these exceptions you also allow that ruthlessness and violence are not an exclusively male preserve, and meanwhile we see peace loving men like Gandhi or Martin Luther King. There are also, btw, women serial killers and women terrorists. So, no, I don't buy this patriarchy/matriarchy thing at all, especially when i see women actively encouraging men to fight, which is a common thing too.


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countrywomen 7 years ago from Washington, USA

CJStone- Although I too don't agree all the ills are due to men but I do feel men are having more aggression (or even subtle outlets like what they like to watch on TV because I never liked the WWF fights like my brother did or watch sports on TV as much as he liked to watch)

Those Women you are talking about are women who are exhibiting the characteristics of the strong male type stereotype to succeed in the predominantly male domain of politics. I ofcourse can't relate to those women at all..hehe

I do agree there are many a peace loving souls among men like Gandhi, King, & Mandela.  The last comment women encouraging men to fight I didn't get it.


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Chris, I agree with Countrywomen. These women you mention are a minority exhibiting male behaviour within a patriachal male world framework!

And yes, indeed there are peaceful men and as I pointed out these men have plenty of testosterone too so it cannot always be that which causes the problem behaviour surely, or if it can it can also be overridden.

In my own personal life experiences I have encountered far more instances of violent and dangerous men than women and as I said I first came across this when I was a little kid. The first bones I had broken were caused by boys - I had a broken arm caused by a bully who beat me up and a broken collar bone by being pushed off the roof of a shed by another boy.

When it comes to cruelty to animals why is it nearly always men who are responsible and why is that the majority of people who are animal activists are women? Yes, I know there are men who love and care about animals and men who campaign for animal rights but there appear to be far more women who do this!

 


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mistyhorizon2003 7 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

Interesting Hub Steve. I tend to agree with you as you did make the point in your title that it was 'mainly men' and not 'only men' who are the problem. I see the points CJ makes too, but my gut feeling is the female examples he lists are the exceptions that prove the rule, rather than proof women are just as bad. Likewise there have been very gentle and good men in the world such as Gandhi, but sadly I feel there are not enough like him, and too many men like you describe.

CJ is right that there are women serial killers and terrorists, but again, if the numbers of males versus females were added up my guess is the males would outweigh the females by about 90 to 1.

CW, there are girls I have seen in pubs actively encouraging their boyfriends to pick a fight with another bloke simply to impress her by winning the fight. I have even seen one girl deliberately infer to her boyfriend that another bloke had bad mouthed her, simply to get her already inebriated fella to start a fight with the poor guy. I am guessing this is the kind of incident CJ may be referring to.


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thanks for your comments, Cindy! I agree the numbers of dangerous men and killers who are men far outweighs the number of women.

Yes, I have seen the type of behaviour CJ refers too and that you illustrate but I would say this is again behaviour within a male competitive framework where the idea is that only the toughest succeed and only the fittest survive and where the strong male is supposed to be looked up to as the protector of the weaker.


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mistyhorizon2003 7 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

True, good point :)


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countrywomen 7 years ago from Washington, USA

Misty- I don't know the happenings in a pub. But seriously if I love a man so much then I wouldn't want him to get hurt in a fight(surely not for my vanity or his vanity). If and only if I or my family is being threatened then I would like him to be able to defend us (Even then I would like to get hold of police or someother ways to avert a direct confrontation).

Ofcourse I do like men to be strong with a soft heart (and not taking to violence at the drop of a hat)...LOL


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spryte 7 years ago from Arizona, USA

Interesting argument...but I don't think I would blame it on testosterone. I think it's more of a social issue. Men aren't encouraged to express themselves in less aggressive ways and still be considered as masculine as their peers. Women are given the luxury of tears, openly expressed sympathy in a physical form and their compassionate nature is not looked upon as a weakness amongst other women.

I think until society becomes more enlightened in regard to true freedom of expression and doesn't try to pigeon hole its genders into what is considered acceptable behavior for a man or a woman, we'll continue to raise generation after generation of men that think compassion is a sign of weakness and war is the only solution.

But that's just my two cents on the topic.


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Excellent points, Spryte! Thanks for posting!


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countrywomen 7 years ago from Washington, USA

Spryte- I agree totally with you. When my bro was small and another boy who was playing with my brother's toys didn't give the particular toy back to him then he came crying to my mom. My mom said to him "stop crying like a girl" and I felt bad for him (he is afterall my younger brother). Ofcourse I was the "big girl"(7 years) then I gave that boy another toy and gave him his favorite toy back (I felt so happy when my kid brother looked upto his big sister so admiringly)....LOL


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TheMoneyGuy 7 years ago from Pyote, TX

How do I give the other perspective without indicting myself.

First I should say I was born and raised in a Native American, lifestyle my Great Grandmother is one of the Last Living Original enrollee's of the Choctaw Tribe. I am half Irish and half Choctaw. Why this is pertinant is we are a matriarchal tribe. We were Matriarchal long before the first white man set his eyes across the Ocean.

Problem is we were far more warlike and Savage than before the White man came. I know everyone has their Idea of History, but reality is reality, Women ran the tribes but men made war for sport and hunted for food. Native american's invented La cross (We called it stickball) and the Precursor to American Football. Skills in hunting and battle were the greatest recognition. It was so important we used it in our names so all would know our triumph or failure. So what the hell is my point. Oh yes Being Matriarchal in no way takes the violence out of the man.

I actually think Man's violence is not as bad as everyone would like to make it out. I do hate to find myself defending the in defensible but here I go.

The sad fact I believe is, that the survival and advancement of the human race requires it. Our species functions best when there are more women in our societies than men. Since we have very few Natural Predators we are forced to control our numbers ourselves. And whether Females want to claim responsibility or not they are directly responsible for this competition called life. We do what we do as men, in order to get what they have as women. Women are not innocent either, I have grown up with a mother a sister, I have a wife and daughter, I have served alongside women in the military. They are just as competitive and just as determined for the survival and perpetuation of their own as men. They only difference is they use words and tears as their weapons, just as we simple humble men use our bodies and our weapons.

The complexity of this problem is created by man's ego, his belief that he is greater than any other of God's creatures. The best example from nature is the lion. When a Young male lion takes over the pride the first order of business is to kill all the cubs of the old lion. This makes the lionesses fertile and once they carry the new lions offspring they become beholden to him. It is barbaric I know but to think we are an exception to the God of Nature's rules is pure Ego.

I am not making an excuse for violence, but I have found it to be a necessary evil. We would have starved long ago with out our many bloody conflicts that is reality we tend to ignore.

TMG


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Interesting response, TMG! I would again point out that the women you give as examples of competitiveness are, as you say, in the military, which is very much part of the male world framework!

"Since we have very few Natural Predators we are forced to control our numbers ourselves." This suggests that it is a necessity to kill off some people. If so who gives anyone the right to make such decisions? Isn't birth control the best method of keeping numbers down? Also isn't it true that poorer people tend to have larger families and are they not usually poor because of the rich who exploited them in the first place?

"The complexity of this problem is created by man's ego, his belief that he is greater than any other of God's creatures." - Yes, I agree and see many examples of this including the patriachal religious idea that animals have no souls and are made for people to eat and use as they wish! Clearly this is not the case!

 


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CJStone 7 years ago from Whitstable, UK

No Steve, women actively encourage men to fight because they get a thrill out of it. I've seen this. As for "These women you mention are a minority exhibiting male behaviour within a patriachal male world framework", this doesn't explain why these women WANT to exhibit male behaviour in the first place. t's a bit of a tautology. We've decided that all aggressive behaviour is male, and therefore designated similar behaviour amongst women as "male behaviour". Except it's not. It's women behaving this way and no amount of slippery argument is going to change that fact. What is probably true is that men and women are hard-wired differently to exhibit different kinds of behaviour, but this is not to say that a matriarchal system would necessarily be any better. I agree with TMG above regarding this.


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countrywomen 7 years ago from Washington, USA

CJStone- Your statement " women actively encourage men to fight because they get a thrill out of it" I would like to add maybe some women do encourage but most of the women I know including myself can't see our loved ones being hurt (Esp for the sake of some "stupid thrills"). I have no say in the patriarchy/matriarchy systems (for want of better understanding of the alternative to the present system).

(P.S: I just stated my opinion if I did come across as being rude then I apologize for that)


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Chris, I had long ago decided that aggressive and violent behaviour was predominantly male because that was within my experience. When I was a kid I never saw girls throwing knives at newts and I was never beaten up by girls but I saw boys doing this and I was attacked by boys. I learned as a child that boys could be a danger to self and wildlife. As I grew older I learned more and more about the world and saw more and more evidence of male behaviour that caused death, destruction and suffering! If I add up all the physical damage inflicted on my body by other humans nearly all of it has been done by males! So therefore I had already concluded that males were far more dangerous than women without considering matriarchy. If I go and look at the countryside here or in the UK, who do I see spraying Roundup weedkiller and who do I see cutting down trees and bulldozing the land? I see men doing these things. I don't see women. If I read of some horrific cruelty to animals over 90% of the time it is by men or boys. If I read of some equally horrific human abuse it is usually been done by men.

 I would assume "these women WANT to exhibit male behaviour in the first place" in an effort to get powerful jobs that get them a lot of money. Isn't this what Thatcher, Rice, Clinton, Palin etc want or do you think they are doing this for power?

Thanks for your latest post, Countrywomen!


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TheMoneyGuy 7 years ago from Pyote, TX

The Women in my life were by no means in the Military, and they were probably more competive than the ones I knew in the military. It benefits women more to appear to be the fairer sex, they can accomplish much more by faining weakness and letting a naive man take up the cause. Plus it benefits them in that they stand only to gain with no real risk.

Real academic studies of domestic violence, by real I mean not claims made by special interest groups trying to pull a buck from Washington, show that women commit acts of violence on their partners more than men. A womsn is abused by her partner every 18 minutes, a man is abused every 15 minutes. Our society, places a heavy cast on a man that speaks out.

My source is a study commissioned by the National institute of Mental Health performed by the University of New Hampshire.

Basically here are the US numbers there are 1.8 Million Female victims of severe Domestic violence annually in the US, conversly there are 2 million Male victims of severe Domestic violence in the US. So either the US has some angry women or basically we are all the same. When it comes to our propensity to commit violence.

It just isn't in a man's best interest to speak out either, Basically everyone would think Geez what a whimp. So he ends up ridiculed and isolated. Better to keep up the media personna of the Violent defender of the Faith.

Birth control is a great idea and at first look appears to provide hope, but in the history of Humanity it has only really been safe and effective alternative in the last 30 years, only a blip on the radar of the whole epoch of Humanity.

One could even argue that altering the delicate balance of hormones that make us the creaturea we are is a dangerous tampering with the natural order of things. Already studies are showing these artificial hormones showing up in our water supplies. What are the effects and consequences of this? It is hard to tell in the short time we have had this power.

We cry out when farmers inject them into cows, but praise our women for giving it to our daugher. Odd line of thinking to me. And the best planned population control is out the window in a long draught or other natural phenomenom. Then we are back to the quickness of our minds and the strength of our backs.

As for the Rich exploiting the poor, I feel that has an evolutionary origin as well. Our entire communal evolution stems from the first Humans that realized they could make their life easier by living in groups and dividing labor. Natural selection has shown preference to those that are most skilled at herding the masses to do their bidding, whether tending flocks and performing manual labor or handing over your hard earned money to pay rent.

I think the poor have more children because the value of their labor increases the wealth of the rich therefore it is encouraged. The rich limit their numbers in order to minimize the division of wealth. As to the right or wrong of this it is hard to judge. It is the way it is and will most likely always will be. As to the question of Man having a soul I agree in that I believe that God has shown no preference to Man or any other animal.

I again wouldn't say this is Patriarchal. During the Dust Bowl in Oklahoma my Grandmother would kill skunks when no other animal were available to feed her children. She was a widower at this point already, though I am sure she would have rather had my Grandfather do it. In the absence of an alternative women always seem to be able to step up to the challenge of survival. She was never taught any Patriarchal religion only do as you must to keep your children fed for they are they future of our people our only true immortality.

TMG


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wabond 7 years ago from England

I would like to point out that violence is not 'natural' male behaviour. The military know this because they not only have brainwash their troops to obey orders they have to also brainwash them into killing other men.

After World War Two, the USA military interviewed many of the troops that fought in the war. In these interviews, most ex-soldiers claimed that they never killed any enemy soldier and said they prefered to fire over the heads of the incoming enemy. Only a small miniority admitted to killing any of the enemy.

This is not a new problem for the military. In the first World War officers also had problems in forcing their men to not fire over the heads of the enemy. The same was also true in the American Civil War, where the Unionist officers had the same problem.

This is why in the old days the military had to brutalise their troops and teach them how to hate the enemy, so they would be more likely to kill. In more modern times they use behaviourist psychology to brainwash soldiers into becoming killing machines. Unfortunately modern soldiers pay a heavy price for this and many commit suicide after they have killed. In the Falklands war, more soldiers on both sides who saw action have since committed suicide than died in the conflict. There are similar figures for American troops in the Vietam war.

Many of the very violent films and video games young men watch today also have the effect of brainwashing them into believing that violence is 'normal' for men.

The problem is that brutalised psychopaths make the best soldiers and a despotic dictator can rule a whole country by having a psychopathic troops under his command. So rulers need to encoarage young men to becoming killers so they are more able to become better troop to invade other countries, or defend their country from aggression.

William Bond


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thanks for your detailed respònse, TMG!

Re birth control there are condoms and the coil as opposed to the pill and contraceptive injections.

"In the absence of an alternative women always seem to be able to step up to the challenge of survival. She was never taught any Patriarchal religion only do as you must to keep your children fed for they are they future of our people our only true immortality."

In your words here you show that women do what they can and must to ensure life goes on. This is their maternal side which men do not have.

"Our society, places a heavy cast on a man that speaks out." - Surely that is because it is a patriarchal one in which men are supposed to be men! On that score alone it shows that the system is wrong because it is causing men to repress their feelings and what they want to say!


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you for your input into this, William!


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wabond 7 years ago from England

In this thread some people have mention birth control. It may seem strange that many religions and political parties throughout the world have banned birth control, but the reason for this is to do with warfare.

Why birth control is so strongly linked to warfare can be illustrated by the fall of Sparta. In ancient Greece Sparta was considered the most powerful of the Greek states. In the famous Battle of Thermopylae 300 Spartans stopped a massive invading Persian army. So formable was their reputation that even Alexander the Great refused to take them on. But the Spartans had one military weakness and that was it gave its women equal rights.

Spartan women were free to have as many children as they wanted and so like modern Western women they had on average only two children. This wasn’t the case in other Greek States where women where birth control was banned. The result was that over many generations as the population of other Greek States increased it declined in Sparta. So even though Sparta was used to defeated armies far larger than themselves in the end they were simply overwhelmed by a far larger army.

The ban of birth control was the foundation of the Roman Empire. They took this to the extreme and turned women into baby making machines. The result was they were able to produce massive armies of young men and were able to conquer less numerous states. The result was that everyone was forced to do the same, which greatly increased the world’s population but also greatly increased famine and poverty.

This is still going on today. In the USSR they feared a population drop and greatly encouraged women to produce more babies, by giving them medals, for having ten or more children. The population in Western countries is decreasing, because women have control over their own bodies, but still increasing in poorer third world countries were women have no rights to say how many children she can have.

So population control is all about warfare and women’s rights.


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Excellent info, William - thanks! Yes, I saw it on the news somewhere that Russia were rewarding people for having children!


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TheMoneyGuy 7 years ago from Pyote, TX

Very True Wabond, due to space and time consideration, I didn't fully develop that point. Birth rates have been used as a weapon from the earliest times.

As a general rule, I do not separate the military from the economic as I see them as 2 pieces of the larger machine. Baron Von Clausiwitz makes it clear the two cannot be distinguished. Troops follow dollars.

Along with the USSR, Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy. Most Governments encourage patriotism and child bearing in the early years of a Nationalist expansion.

Early Churches did the same thing. Although not as quick or obvious, the deepening poverty and starvation and competition for resources is as violent if not more so than all out war.

As for women's rights I would say in the US we are at or near the forefront of the women's rights issue. Even here you find this birth warefare. I watched a speech as child by Dr. Martin Luther King. Jr. This man of peace was telling black women to have their babies. He was putting it in a black pride kind of way. But the subtlity of what he was saying I think escaped a Nation. He understood the power of numbers, and he didn't care the poverty explosion he was about to create in this country. Some might argue the ends justified the means. Again, I refrain from judgement as I have seen both good and bad come from it.

Bard, I agree that society is very wrong on the way it represses the expressions of both sexes. I indict both men and women in this repression as much as I sympathize with both men and women that are victims, I think the most important thing to remember is this divide and conquer technique of keeping Men against women. Democrat vs Republican. Black against White. Us Against Them. Is one of the oldest principles of War, A quick read of the Art of war will show this.

As for violence being natural or not. From personal experience, I would offer these points, When I was scared or felt I was endanger I have never had a problem coming to grips with the outcomes. When I was scared for someone else I never had problems.

The phsychological problems, William speaks of in my personal experience comes when your are told one thing about the enemy, and you arive in country and see something quite different. And at some point it sinks in the people you are told are animals, are just the same as you and doing the same job you are doing for the exact same reason you are doing it, you get a real sick feeling in your stomach that you can't shake for the rest of your life. The conflict arises when the situation doesn't match the propoganda.

My first encounter with this being documented was a book I read by General Smedly Butler called war is a Racket. He retired after Taking US troops to Russia to fight the Bolshevik Revolution on the side of the Tsars. The US soldiers realized the Tsar's were the cruel and violent ones and the peasants just wanted food. This realization set in and the US lost the will to fight and returned home. You will not hear this story in school because it doesn't support the policy of the West.

The point is, in war often what we are told to believe and what is real are two wildly different truths.

TMG

TMG


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wabond 7 years ago from England

Hi Money Guy

I have never been in the military but my father did fight in the Second World War and i did used to find it confusing as a child, because what my father told me about the war was very different to what i read about it.

Yes, i agree war is all about money. This was true from the very start when the first reason for warfare was for loot. Then later on men of violence would impose a protection racket on the people, which later on was called taxation. And it still goes on today, i don't think the USA and UK would of invaded Iraq if there wasn't vast oil field there. The civil war going on in the Congo at the moment is mostly about minerial rights.

William Bond


pylos26 7 years ago

hello bard...interesting combat you've got going on here...i think too that posters might should read your title again...pylos 26


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Feline Prophet 7 years ago from India

Interesting hub! If men seem more predisposed to violence I imagine it has a lot to do with social conditioning as well. They may be genetically wired to ignite at the slightest provocation but if they've been brought up in a peaceful, secure environment I think they tend to be more gentle, rational beings....quite like (most) women in fact! :)


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you for making a very good point, Feline Prophet!


Andrew Hawkley 7 years ago

William Bond, you have made a flagrant contradiction. Here are two of your quotes from "Should women rule the world?"

"You cannot divorce masculinity from patriarchy, because who is it who rules patriarchal societies? It is off course men."

"Nuclear warfare is the masculine utimate expression"

And here is one of your quotes from this hub.

"I would like to point out that violence is not 'natural' male behaviour. The military know this because they not only have brainwash their troops to obey orders they have to also brainwash them into killing other men."

I was making the same point as you, there ARE different types of masculinity and unfortunately we are currently ruled over by the most repulsive variety ever to exist.


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thanks for your latest feedback, Andrew! I agree with you there are different types of masculinity and the type that runs the world is the worst!


wabond 7 years ago

Hi Andrew

In trying to understand human behaviour we run into the nature V nurture debate. Are we the result of our genes or they way we are brought up? And the problem is that both are true.

Yes, genetically men and women are different, but also within that differences we are also changed by the envioment we live in.

Men are naturally competitive and this competition is not a real problem if men only compete with each other on the level of sport. Put men in a position of power where male dominated countries compete with each other and the result is war. Unfortunately it has been discovered long ago that the best soldiers are psychopaths. Men who will kill without remorse, or even enjoy killing others. And it has been discovered that men can be trained to be like this by brutalising them and teaching them how to hate.

This then is the problem of having men rule countries. Men cannot stop themselves competing with each other for power and the result is warfare and the brutalisation of men.

If we had women rule countries instead they wouldn't be so competitive with each other, or have the same interest in warfare. The result will be better for men simply because they will not have to be brutalised to learn how to fight and kill.

In patriarchal societies men become the worse they can be and can end up as brutalised monsters. In Matriarchal societies men can learn how to love and care for others, as women would encoarage this.

William Bond


Andrew Hawkley 7 years ago

Right, sorry I was away for a while.

John Peel was sent to a brutal all male boarding school where he was unfortunately very badly abused. On top of this his mother told him in front of the whole family that he was the least favourite of her three sons. Yet can you think of a more peaceful and benign person? He is a clear example of nature triumphing over circumstances. William, you yourself have said that you were brought up in a chauvinist manner but because you had your own mind you overcame the nurturing.

Now you are the expert but from what I've read about matriarchal societies is that they existed when the human mind was still in the subconsciousness. Masculinity became more prominent (not necessarily dominant) when consciousness began to rise. As brutalised monsters who kill without remorse have no conscience I think they are lacking in the masculine department.

Although a lot of people who have male to female sex-changes knew they wanted to be female since they were very young, I have also heard recently that another large portion of individuals who have this operation are actually formerly very loud and violent males. They are psycho-analysed as females who are seriously hacked off about being in a male body. Given the indecisive nature of many women and compulsively violent men, this is not a hard concept to grasp. When people are repeatedly denied what they want they become very angry regardless of gender.

As a compassionate person I believe we should have compulsory sex-changes rather than capital punishment for violent men. Then the distressed parents of violent men may no longer worry about losing their child but look forward to gaining a daughter.

 


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you for your interesting feedback, Andrew!

I am not sure about people becoming angry if they are constantly denied things they want. Whilst that can be the case they can also become sad not angry and end up giving up wanting those things. I speak from personal experience.


Andrew Hawkley 7 years ago

Not even the downfall of world tyranny?


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Well, yes, I have anger about that I suppose but with me sadness and anger are very close and I tend to be saddened rather than angered. Anger tends to create fighting back which then keeps the problem going and brings revenge along with it. Sadness can be self-destructive, which is also of no use. Finding a solution is the answer above anger and sadness.


Andrew Hawkley 7 years ago

Given the number of a bit too serious people on hubpages I think I should point out that the last paragraph in my second last response was entirely sarcastic. I think something like that would be more barbaric than capital punishment. The state would probably use that sort of policy as an excuse to use them as lab animals anyway.


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Lou Purplefairy 7 years ago from Southwest UK

For what its worth, my humble opinion as a mere woman, its my belief that biologically women are nurturers (creators), since we have a womb, while men are aggressors (destroyers) in an effort to provide the means to raise offspring for the continuation of the human species. When it comes to being creators, women are biologically set up to carry a growing foetus, which puts us at a disadvantage to our environment as we become more dependant thru our pregnacy on outside care and protection, and males, which under normal circumstances, will become protective and aggressive to external forces threatening the mother to be and unborn child. Somehow its all got a bit skewed in the struggle for power. I'm not saying that women are inferior or men are superior. We are just different, but its a shame that the female perspective is often ignored as "weak' or "incorrect"on a world scale because its not a traditional patriarchal view. Millenia of female suppression by the patriarchal system is the proof that patriarchy obviously feels threatened by matriarchal ideas. It's "mummy issues' on a major world scale! Might I also mention the X chromosome which all human life begins with, when it becomes male, part of that X chromosome is removed, creating the Y chromosome. Something missing perhaps? lol! And as for the like of Rice, Thatcher and Palin, i aggree that they have been patriarchally conditioned. Its a man's world, so to compete and be heard, a woman has to adopt a male stance and attitude to stand any chance of being heard. It's adapting to your environment, something women are biologically better equipped to do, because of the biological nurturing we are genetically programmed to do. Facts remain tho, men still outnumber women on a phenomenal scale, at violence and aggression. How many cases on men being raped by women have been brought to justice? While women still have the power of speech, a teapot, a cookie jar, and a companion with which to discuss the world's troubles, there's hope for humanity yet.


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you for this excellent feedback, Lou!


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Lou Purplefairy 7 years ago from Southwest UK

You're welcome x :)


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James A Watkins 7 years ago from Chicago

Because men have balls!

But we cannot overlook the innumrable benefits these same balls also bring to the world.


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blondepoet 7 years ago from australia

Gidday Bard, that was a top read. I especially abhor violence used against women in certain relationships that really makes me see red. :)


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you, BlondePoet!


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cindyvine 7 years ago from Kyiv, Ukraine

A question, what sex are the loudest people cheering at a boxing or wrestling match? Men only want to impress. They do what they are told. Mommy says, go out and be a man sonny boy, so they join the army and go to war.


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

But in such cases I think you will find that it was men who created the propaganda and conditioning and control the media which promote it that cause such women to urge such things!


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Cellar Door 7 years ago from South East UK

such an enjoyable hub, i have often wondered if it is nature or nuture how males and females are cast into respectively speaking, quite type cast roles, absolutely awesome to find someone asking these questions

CD


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you, Cellar Door!


thisguy 7 years ago

could be misdirected testosterone...nature designed men to be outgoing, goal-oriented and in action in the outside world: hunting, gathering, defending etc. while women had the vitally central role of establishing the family life and playing a big role in raising the youngsters of the future civilizations and generations..

Nature designed men to externalize everything- from their genitals to their flatulence, to their vomiting (after passing out drinking alcohol), and most importantly- to their emotions- men externalize their anger and want to take immediate physical action to set something straight- which may make them more prone to violence; whereas women hide their anger more and take it out in subtle ways- such as passive-aggressive behaviour etc. -

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but as for the men, look at a lot of them today- they're lazy, and even with the sedentary lifestyle, the testosterone is still flowing through their veins- so instead of using the hormone constructively- ie. vigrous physical activity, creative pursuits and fitness, they sit around and the testosterone without a proper channel to flow through becomes distorted and goes to the wrong places- either resulting in violent gunshooting sprees, or the hormone then drops to their genitals- making them behave like vulgar animals and then going into rapes and abuse etc.; they need to learn how to discipline and manage their dick (and the testosterone too) properly. Also testosterone fuels the drive for creativity, and when that creativity is not adequately expressed in higher more human forms ie. painting, works of art, literature, creating music, archtecture etc. that creative energy falls down to the most low, gross, demonic, animalistic forms possible: brutal violence and depraved sexual lust; according to swamis, men who keep their brains very active and live lives where they constantly use their creative abilities in some kind of artistic fashion (as aforementioned) while having the strength of mind to not react to lust or anger- reach a very high level of evolution and personal development; so basically I'm saying that maybe the whole problem is that men aren't using what they have (testosterone) properly, and that only few men on earth (maybe 1-2% max) have actually learned how to channel it constructively...


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you for this detailed and excellent feedback, Thisguy!


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Tiara designs 7 years ago from undisclosed location

Interesting article, studies reveal the majority of people are not 4 war. So why do we war? I think war is sooo last century. Our only war now is 4 survival... Thanks- ever so= 4 the follow- I am enjoying reading your hubs.


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Bard of Ely 7 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you, Tiara Designs!


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D'Joy 5 years ago

Money Guy: you wrote, "It benefits women more to appear to be the fairer sex, they can accomplish much more by faining weakness and letting a naïve man take up the cause." is a lame excuse for you as a man to not be the protector and provider God created you to be for the women and children in your life! I could say much more here but would rather talk about another point . . thanks

I have a 24 year old son, who when his sister hit him in the stomach at the age of 12 stood there and cried. When I asked what happened he just looked at me in disbelief and said, "Tia hit me!" I couldn't believe it myself and asked her "why?" She said, "I don't know!" The point is that he was devastated that his little sister, whom he had always been faithful to protect and be a friend to had just hit him for no reason. When this same son was 7 years old I got a call from his school. I was told he had been sent to the principles office. I laughed and asked why? The lady said, "Mam, this is not a laughing matter, your son was found fighting with another boy." I couldn't believe it! Not my sweet, funny, life loving boy who wouldn't hurt a fly! SO when he came home I asked him, "I got a call from school today, can you tell me what happened?" He couldn't remember at first and then he said, "Oh, yeh I got to go to the principles office" , YEs? and why? Well they told us we shouldn't be fighting! Then he told me what happened.

Brock and I were standing by the front door waiting with the other kids for the door to open in the morning. Someone suggested we have a fight. So Brock and I looked at each other and said, "OK!" Then I asked Brock, "how do we do this?" Brock said, "I hit you first." I said, "Ok" He swung and I ducked. Then it was my turn, all the kids were chanting, FIGht, fight fight! So I took my swing and Brock didn't duck! I gave him a bloody nose and he was crying. I felt so bad and didn't know what to do. I kept telling him I was sorry!" Then the teacher came running out, grabbed us both and brought us to the principals office.

But the principle was really nice he told us to tell him what happened and then told us we shouldn't fight anymore and gave us some candy! It was fun!

My son is now 24 and when I was talking to him the other day he was telling me that men like to destroy things. I think we were talking about video games or something. I asked why? He said, "I don't know, it just feels good to us!" I felt a tinge of disgust and fear that my son would even be able to say such a thing.

My son is not one who goes out and kills animals or other people, but he likes to blow things up if he had the chance, like bottle rockets etc. Not for hurting people, just for the excitement of seeing something blow up!

As a counselor and psychologically minded person (lot's of experience but no degree) I have come to believe that for those (men and women) who have had traumatic, painful and hurtful pasts, who are able to go out and hurt others in disgusting and horrific ways are those who, as someone posted earlier said, filled with demonic powers and are in friendship with the hatred of Satan and/or those who have been hurt and have no where to put their pain except in hurting others . . this is very real for so many people. People who would normally have a very gentle loving disposition but have been so traumatized by something a loved one or others have done to them and the cruelty done to them that their only way of getting rid of it (as they understand without counseling and help) is to show the aggression of their pain and hurt on others and other things (animals, etc.)

If the person who caused the actual pain to that person comes to them and apologizes and asks for forgiveness and that person will willingly forgive them, all of the anger they feel they need to express would be removed. But that is very rare. Most people don't know they have hurt someone or even if they do know, just don't want to or don't know how to take responsibility for what they have done. This is true for every offense and hurt in every relationship. My whole ability to trust my own creative ideas and succeed in life the way I see myself succeeding would have been much easier for me if my Dad would have come to me and said, "I am so sorry my words and actions continually made you believe you were less than and smaller than everybody else around you" But because he never has been able to do this, though I purposely told myself to forgive him, I struggled for years in not feeling fear and hate towards others who don't listen or understand or accept me.

The key of freedom for me was in accepting that this is the way my dad is and forgive him for what he doesn't know (understand) he is doing. It is not about me not being acceptable, it is about my dad's own insecurities in himself and his need to be up on everybody else! Once I could see this and accept it, my ability to pursue the things I believe I am good at improved.

Hope this is helpful and a blessing.

D'Joy


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Bard of Ely 5 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you, D'Joy, for taking the time to share your thoughts and experiences!


Giorgio 5 years ago

I think what is interesting is after this few years lot is coming on top. What I mean is, lot of research and studies (some also foreign) simply shows that women as morally superior is more a hollywood myth along with walt disney.

Girls bullyng girls/boys, women hitting children, women making criminality, girls gang, girls abusing sexually boys/girls, housewifes hurting their men, mothers who person sexual act on their children, women who sexualy abuse children ect ect. There is lot of it on google.The funny thing is, after each investigation, more and more cases are showing up. And they are closing statistically the men. IMO on few years they will reach the 50/50.

the difference from yesterday and today is, that people are more vocal (we have even shelters for men now)and dont get fooled by societal prejudge (men getting ridiculed for getting hurt from their wifes)

Women are not morally superior or spiritual for that matter, women are just people who are sterotyped by society. Sooner people understand that and let go outdated superstition better will be.


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Sandyspider 5 years ago from Wisconsin, USA

I happen to agree with a lot of what has been said here. I think in general more men act out physically, while women act out emotionally. Not that men are abusers and women are cry babies. In general women try to talk it out and problem solvers.

Course there are exceptions which are listed here in comments. Over the years more women have become more aggressive and some men less so.


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Bard of Ely 5 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thanks for your thoughts on this, Sandy!


Dan 3 years ago

I agree. Just look at the DOJ crime statistics.


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Bard of Ely 3 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you!

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