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Thomas Swan says
I see your point, but in most instances people are called out. For example not all white men are considered racists even though the Klan happens to be comprised of white men. It's silly to me to demonize feminism due to the actions of a few.
I agree. While most of the women I have worked for have been the best bosses, I had one or two others that tended to go over board on being tough. I think they were overcompensating, but that is just my opinion.
They very well may have been Biz. I've encountered that too - as a woman myself. Perhaps the mentality they have to be that way to get ahead or compete in a male dominated business was at play? doesn't make it right of course.
Yes, I think they were trying to mimic how a man would act, but ended up going too far. I think women have natural leadership attributes that are completely different and better than men, so they should utilize those qualities instead.
BizWhiz, I know several people who complain that their MALE bosses are overly tough, and yet they aren't labeled women haters. Why is that an excuse to label women?
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I can see your point on the whole mountains out of molehills thing and it does get carried away sometimes, but other issues are very important (equal pay and opportunities) and I feel feminism should be redirected towards that original intent.
The Vietnam era protesters is another example where times have changed. Today there is no "draft" therefore wars don't generate the same amount of protest.
Secondly a protest against any war is now seen as not supporting our troops!
Excellent answer and I can see how the morphing could occur. Sadly I fear the term "feminism" has been hijacked and that's sad.
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M. T. Dremer says
Agree, the fact it's now such a hot button word is very unfortunate as is the original intent being lost. I tend to believe it's been by design to just keep women "a little" in their place - but perhaps I'm biased too.
the woman who said all men are rapists should have been called on it when she claimed to be "feminist" as that is clearly not what she is. Most people call out Westboro for example as not being real Christians.Women need to take feminism back.
I agree with you. Some women who label themselves as feminists simply hate men. For them it's not just about equal rights. I've also known men who have an animosity towards women. Anyone who blames a whole gender for their misfortunes needs help!
Your statements are true, both of you. I lived during the birthing of the modern movement when "Feminazi" was coined. I thought it might help to shed a little history on why.
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Eric Dierker says
I disagree that women who hate men make good feminists, but I agree with your other points, that true feminists must lead by example. I just wish women weren't compelled to distance themselves from the word feminist because of its unfair association
Dr Billy Kidd says
Yes, it absolutely exists today and I think it is used on purpose to keep women from truly forming a sisterhood kind of bond together to really continue to push for progress like the women in the 60's did.
The Reminder says
glad you learned something new :) It's unfortunately not a nice word, and I hope those who engage in it learn to move beyond it.
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I do agree that some issues do seem more petty. I would like to see women maintain focus on real issues like equal pay, the whole glass ceiling thing, and getting more deserving women into govt. etc. Objectification is a real issue though.
Yes, but it's a freedom of speech issue too. Best to talk women out of doing it than outlawing it (I have 5 awesome daughters BTW). There have been interesting studies by the DOL on the pay gap. Yes, not enough in politics--female Pres in 2017 though
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Venkatachari M says
That's very nice :) I don't have to be first, most of us would be content with side by side or equal. I agree a few bad examples can ruin perceptions for everyone sadly.
Very true and good points. Sadly there is a trend towards dismissing/demonizing feminists and I wonder if the reason is fear of what would happen with a giant sisterhood of women working together instead of competing against one another :)