I like to be honest up front. Said it already and say it again. Sure I want the promo, but this is more than that. I am disappointed that the pastor mentioned in article actually attended even though against same-sex marriage.
So I am genuinely interested in poll. But forum here definitely pro same sex marriage. I am shocked. Makes me feel like I am out of step with the rest of world. Or is this an indication of influence of liberals and atheists on forum.
Usually I would be just promoting my hub, but honestly this time I am perplexed by something I heard about a pastor attending a gay wedding just to give support to his friends even though he does not support same sex marriage.
That's like a militant atheist attending a church dedication just to please a friend.
So I would love to see the votes, but already I can see the liberal trend. Wow, we are living in the new age of sodom. Yes, my religious bias is up front. Plus my own personal experience, yea I was picked on when I was young and cute and had to really stand up and say ...NO.
What a shame you do not value friendship the same way I do. It might make you a better person.
I too was picked on when I was young and cute - and was not given the chance to say "no."
Fortunately - I am able to tell the difference between "gay" and "child molester."
And I would suspect there are no more or less homosexual people around than there always has been - but you go ahead and convince yourself that things are much much worse than they used to be and it is all the fault of the liberals,
You seem to ask that question quite a bit, it is listed under gender and relationships, that alone should answer your question.
As for the question that has been brought to the forum; Would you attend a same sex wedding? Absolutely...obviously the invite would be from a close friend or family member, not a perfect stranger. With that said, I do stand by the ones I love no matter their sexual preference, religion or political choices...
Well tksensei has the right to dislike someone, doesn't he. And gay people have the right to dislike tksensei. And I have the right to marry a small piece of plastic wrapper (if a court will accept it). It's all silly -- the only things that should be wrong are the obvious things... ripping off the entire country via a banking institution, for example
TK stop chewing forum bones ... one of these days one will get stuck in your mouth
As for the OP - I don't mind whether you're naturally homophobic, it's just your personal opinion (that same sex marriages don't fit into the 'ideal' of what marriage is or should be about) or if it's because you're religious and it goes againts the teachings of your faith. Or some other reason. Each to their own.
As for me, yes I would attend a same sex wedding, happily so.
Me too, if one or both of the people getting married were friends of mine. I really can't understand why anyone has a problem with same sex weddings/civil partnerships. And if you don't agree with them, nobody's forcing you to go to one.
Amanda everything is allowed, this is planet earth. Narrow minded religious bigots like me will die off in another 30 or 40 years and then entire planet will be brave new Sodom. No one to ask questions like this.
I was pleasantly surprised to learn that the traditional Italian grandmother of a woman at work who is getting married is going to attend the wedding. Sometimes you have to support someone you love regardless of what you think of their living arrangements.
In many states gay and lesbian couples are not allowed to share health insurance plans. If one partner becomes seriously ill and his or her family disapproves of the relationship, they can often prevent the other partner from having any say in treatment or end of life decisions, and in some cases even prevent him or her from visiting, even if the relationship has lasted for decades.
These are just a few examples. There are over 1,100 federal laws alone in which marital status is a factor in determining benefits, rights, privileges, and responsibilities.
No, I wouldn't. I'm a Christian, and it goes against my faith. However, I have several gay friends, because I care about people and don't hate anyone just because they don't agree with my views (something a lot of people on the Internet need to learn).
I pray for them, I treat them like human beings (because they are, you know), but I'm not going to go against God.
Then I ask you... how am I supposed to win souls for God without treating people like they should be treated? How many gay people do you know who hate Christians because instead of being their friends, the Christians tell them they're 'going to hell' and shun them?
You need to read up on Christianity before you tell me I'm a hypocrite.
The burden of 'Winning Souls' as you arrogantly put it; starts by 'winning' your own! If you consider that is your role in life then I would suggest that you check your temperature
Your Perspective is badly Flawed. A well balanced perspective on life is not one that tilts one particular way, or is supported with the cowardness of justification at the expense of reality.
Sort out your balance first... as your alleged gay friendship is one of bias towards your tilt. If you have no comprehension of the meaning of friendship; then you have a great deal of work to do on your soul.
I do not recall calling you a hypocrite! I believe I had pointed out errors of your statement (you know..abit like proofreading )
As far as you worrying about my need to expand my knowledge; thanks, but you really need to accept my 'christian' offering here.. with the free advice I am offering you! Your need exceeds my own
My knowledge of religion and life may well be far superior than your own! Have you considered the possibility of that point?
My intentions aren't to attack you, but i find it funny when ppl say things like i have gay friends but i would't go to their wedding because of my faith. The crazy part about it is their still your friends you excepeted that they were gay. So how does your faith allow you to be their friend but not to attend your so called friends wedding. Something doesn't seem right.
Sorry but I have to say my opinion. You have several gay friends because you care about people??? So they are not your friends for what and who they are but just because from your pedestal you have decided to pity them??? Plus are you rimending yourself that they are human beings??? Because regardless what people in here think if go or not going to a wedding I like to believe that didn't cross anyone mind that they are not human beings. Maybe you should start to look at yourself and think carefully before write certain statements
Next to the parts where it says eating shellfish and shaving is evil, that women should be killed if they are "discovered" to be non-virgins when they are married, that anybody who sleeps with a woman on her period should be sent into exile along with her, and instructs you on where to buy your slaves, when it is appropriate to beat them, and what you should use to beat those slaves at that appropriate time.
You will find the bible is full of references to homosexuality being wrong. But you wont find one Quote from God or Jesus saying anything about sex of any kind being bad at all!. Nowhere in the Old or New Testament does God or Jesus say anything about Sex being bad. It's always somebody speaking for God or twisting words to make their own point. The Bible was written by men. The thought of a man with another man is a disgusting thought to a Straight man. And that is who was in control of writing the words in the Bible.
Imagine how the Bible would have looked if Women were in charge back then. Do you think women would still be considered one step above Cattle in the bible if that had been the situation? Men wrote the bible with their own likes and dislikes written down for all of us to follow and live by. That's why you have to use your own intelligence when reading the Bible. You will be able to easily separate the words of God and Man.
Fundamentalists will disagree with you. And they will also tell you their specific interpretation of the Bible is the one ordained by God. (There are interpretations of the "homophobic" passages that say they are corruptions of the original Hebrew and Aramaic)
There are alot of things that are written in the bible but ppl don't follow those things to a tee. For instance your not supposed to have sex until your married, but ppl do it all the time. So that's a sin as well. So ppl need to stop acting as if marrying the same sex is the worst thing that you can do, because it surely is not. Everyone wants to talk about ppl being gay and that's not important if you really want something to talk about, talk about rapists now that's who we really should be focused on.
Thanks Kerry, I just had a quick look, and there's a lot to digest. There's also a lot of very questionable stuff in there too. Like the bit about Lot preferring the crowd to have their way with his virgin daughters rather than get chummy with his male visitors! Seriously scary!
Ugh. I remember graduating from a kid's story Bible to the real thing when I was 12 or 13 and my eyeballs practically popping out of my head over that story, and David and Bathsheba, and Onan and Tamar, and Amnon and Tamar...
People tend to forget that the Bible is full of more kinky sex, brutal violence, and general bad behavior than the average Hollywood executive could come up with in his wildest dreams.
I would go to a same sex wedding. I am all for same sex weddings! Why should only the straight partners get to celebrate their love by becoming married? If someone loves one another then I say let them show it off by getting married just like everyone else is able to!
Friends are friends and friendship is a two way thing; irrespective of race, religion, age, sexual orientation or gender.
Sadly; some fool themselves that friendship should be measured by a 'What's in it for me?' perspective. By taking that stance; one misses out on one of the most precious things in life; that of true friendship, that spans a lifetime.
Why does everybody try their best to get me banned? 1...2...3....Being a gay man or woman is not the same as being a criminal going out there and hurting and killing people. Sooner or later I always here that out your GOOD CHRISTIAN mouths. That why your cult is the most SICK, TWISTED, AND EVIL cult out of them all! You are even willing to Dance and Sing in heaven with those same Drugs Dealers and Murderers instead of people who never hurt another person in their life. God loves me and I love God. Let me make that clear! You use the Bible to promote your own hate against your fellow man. God is nowhere in you. Be a man and claim your hate as your own. I dont like you, because I DONT LIKE YOU!!!. No justifying it. That's what a man does. Guess I'll see you all in a few days.
The evil arrogance of some of you is just breath taking. I'm posting this on all of the religious forums. Time for you people to learn some humility.
ST PETER AT THE GATE
St Peter stood guard at the golden gate, with solemn mien and air sedate. When up to the top of the golden stair, a man and a woman ascended there. Applied for admission, they came and stood, before St Peter so great and good. In hopes the city of peace to win, and asked St Peter to let them in.
The woman was tall, and lank, and thin, with a scraggly beardlet upon her chin. The man was short and thick and stout, his stomach was built so it rounded out. His face was pleasant, and all the while, he wore a kindly and pleasant smile.
The choirs in the distance, the echoes awoke, and the man kept still, while the woman spoke.
"O thou who guards the gate," said she "we two cam hither, beseeching thee, to let us enter the heavenly land, and play our harps with the angle band. Of me; St Peter, there is no doubt, there is nothing from heaven to bar me out. I've been to meeting three times a week, and almost always I'd rise and speak. I've told the sinners about the day, when they repent of their evil way. I told my neighbors, I've told them all, 'bout Adam and Eve, and the primal fall. I've shown them what they'd have to do, if they'd pass in with the cholsen few. I've marked their path of duty clear, laid out the plan for the whole career. I've talked and talked to em loud and long, for my lungs are good, and my voice is strong. So good St Peter you'll clearly see, the gate of heaven is open for me.
But my old man...I regret to say, hasn't walked in exactly the narrow way. He smokes and he swears, and grave faults he's got. And I don't know if he will pass or not. He never would pray with an earnest vin, or go to revival, or join in a hymn. So I had to leave him in sorrow there, while I, with the chosen, united in prayer. He ate what the pantry chanced to afford, While I, in my purity, sang to the Lord. And if cucumbers were all he got, It's a chance if he merited them or not. But O St Peter, I love him so; to the pleasures of heaven , please let him go. I've done enough, a saint I've been, wont that atone? Cant you let him in?
By my grim gospel, I know tis so, that the unrepentant must try below. But isn't there some way you can see, that he may enter, who's dear to me? It's narrow gospel by which I pray, but the chosen expect to find some way, of coaxing, or fooling, or bribing you, so that their relations can amble through?
And say...St Peter...it seems to me, the gate isn't kept as it ought to be. You ought to stand by the opening there, and never sit down in that easy chair. And say...St Peter...my sight is dimmed, But I don't like the way your whiskers are trimmed. They're cut too wide and outward toss, they'd look better narrow, cut straight across. Well, we must be going, our crown to win, so open, St Peter and we'll pass in."
St Peter sat quiet and stroked his staff, but , in spite of his office, he had to laugh. Then said with a fiery gleam in his eye, "Who's tending this gateway, you or I?" And then he arose in his stature tall, and pressed a button upon the wall, and said to an imp, who came all aglow, "Escort this woman to the regions below."
The man stood still a piece of stone, stood sadly, gloomily, there alone. A lifelong settled idea he had, that his wife was good and he was bad. He thought if the woman went down below, that he would certainly have to go. That if she went to the regions dim, there wasn't a ghost of a chance for him.
Slowly he turned, by habit bent, to follow wherever the woman went. St Peter, standing on duty there, Observed that the top of his head was bare. He called the gentleman back and said: "Friend, how long have you been wed?" "Thirty years"(he said with a heavy sigh). And then he thoughtfully added, "Why?"
St Peter was silent. With head bent down, he raised his hand and scratched his crown. Then, seeming a different thought to take, slowly, half to himself, he spake: "Thirty years with that woman there, no wonder the man hasn't any hair. Swearing is wicked, smoking's not good, he smoked and swore...I should think he would.
Thirty years with that tongue so sharp? O Angel Gabriel, give him a harp. A jeweled harp with a golden string. Good Sir, pass in where the angels sing. Gabriel, give him a seat alone, one with a cushion up near the Throne. Call up some angels to play their best. Let him enjoy the music and rest. See that on the finest ambrosia he feeds, he had about all the hell he needs. It isn't just hardly the thing to do, to roast him on earth and the future too."
They gave him a harp with golden strings, a glittering robe and a pair of wings. And he said as he entered the Realms of Day "Well this beats cucumbers, anyway." And so the Scriptures had come to pass. The last shall be first, and the first shall be last.
Because he's defending his whole person against bullsh*t, TK. And he's right about his inherent definition of 'a man.' Why, I'd bet even gay guys have balls (just like chicks), whereas some men, figuratively, do not.
Yes, I'd go to a same sex wedding. I used to go to gay clubs, too. haha (true.)
I respect anyone's right to their religious beliefs, until it translates into bigotry. I actually thought Mr. Caba was different...I guess not. I perhaps see some of these things as somewhat ordained by age and culture (homophobia, basically), and taking that into consideration, end up having empathy for them as people and their lack of knowledge. That doesn't excuse it, however.
Calm down and express yourself. I feel your pain but the idea was to use the extreme to make the point. Dont take it personal. Nothing in your comment to get banned. This is not about hate. It's about ethics.
Lordy, won't someone please put the KJV to bed already - it's the 21st century. We don't treat cancer with the same knowledge we had 20 years ago, why are we still reading a translation of the bible that was made from the best knowledge available at the time of the KJV publication. If you want to build your faith on what you read in the bible, at least learn the history of the bible first. God gave you a brain - tout it out, brush it off and spend some of those cells learning and getting your own understanding of what was happening, this is the real beginning of true faith.
I would absolutely attend. I'd make a speech, play my flute, get ordained online if the couple needed someone to marry them and I'd have a great time. I had a blast at my sister-in-law's lesbian wedding and I look forward to when my best friend, who is a gay man, eventually gets married.
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