In the immortal words of famous stand up comedian, Dave Chappelle, "Chivalry is dead.....and women killed it. It's because of all them magazines, making you girls feel fatter and uglier. Until those magazines make you all forget just how beautiful you really are." I know that's a bit extreme to assume that women magazines are the cause of chivalry dying out these days in modern relationships, as i'm sure there's other factors involved here. that's why i would humbly like to ask everyone on hubpages, what are your thoughts? is chivalry dead? and if it is, who killed it?
women and men are considered to be equal supposedly, but the society treat them as unequal, women dont need men to be chivalrous chivalry is dead because women doesnt need the feel for men to do it, they can do anything now We dont need men to open doors for us but to treat us eqaully and lovingly, respect us and be sensitive to our needs
chivalrous activity should not be synonymous to treating your women nicely or in case the women to men
except of course in cases like lifting heavy objects etc.....
I would love me some chivalary!! (or courtesy..I just read that definition..)I dont need it, sure. I take care of myself just fine, but I wouldn't mind beign treated with decency, respect, and a little bit of door opening.
i strongly believe the "feminist" movement killed chivalry. women wanted equality so bad, now it seems women are fully stepping into the men's role. in fact, around here the dad's are the ones who stay around for the kids, the moms slut around. the boyfriends and husbands sit up playing video games while their dear significant other is out working bringing in the cash. sad... but isn't that what women wanted?
i guess i got lucky finding someone with "traditional" family values. and so did he, seriously, all his friends baby's moms...left. or are cheating. and never home. as daddy struggles to take care of the baby. its a damn shame, for the kids.
i don't know if i agree with you about that. to be honest, even though it is a proven fact that we are the most physically stronger of the two genders. however, i think women are vastly superior when it comes to intellect and patience than men are. therefore, i can't say i agree with you on that women are the weaker sex, as I would never view women like that myself. however, i do value your opinion, so I would like to say thanks for sharing.
Wiki: Chivalry is a term related to the medieval institution of knighthood. It is usually associated with ideals of knightly virtues, honor and courtly love. The word is derived from the French word "chevalerie", itself derived from "chevalier", which means knight, derived from "cheval", horse (indicating one who rides a horse). Today, the terms chivalry and chivalrous are often used to describe courteous behavior, especially that of men towards women.
Redefining the meaning to be something else means we are not talking about chivalry but some new concept applied to the old name.
that's very true. I forgot about that part of chivalry. well to be honest, i was referring to the romantic side of men doing nice things for women, and not the rape and treating women like slaves/objects part.
well, i don't know if i can still agree that the equal rights movement killed chivalry to be honest. If you ask me it's the corporate media and commercialism that killed it. I mean think about it. Back in 1840's when Howland invented the greeting cards for valentine's day, which allowed for people to just buy generic greeting cards to display their feelings for their lover. To where now basically we get to a point in our society that a man could just easily buy a 1000 dollar ring, to prove he loves his woman. Versus back before commercialism and media, guys would write their women songs, poetry and stuff like that from the heart. Therefore, I think it's because of the commercialism that's killed off chivalry as guys don't have to give women things from the heart anymore. It's like Kay commercials say, just buy her a diamond jewelry and that'll prove you love her more so than something you made for her. lol.
during the height of the feminist movement you have men learning that women get their new-big-girl-britches-in-a-bunch when they open a door for them, now i'm just as lucky to get a woman holding the door as a man. which is fine. but yes, first women complain that men treat them too helpless, they want independence and equality. great things, who wouldn't want that. but the way it happened pushed taught men women prefer "different" treatment and slowly but surely chivalry as been all but phased out completely.
so i do blame the feminist movement even though i know that was not really the intent.
If you define Chivalry as a man treating a woman with respect, and the celebrating of the natural differences between the sexes, then no, i don't think it is dead (but it is perhaps missing in many relationships).
If you define it incorrectly an excuse to put woman in a subservient or inferior position, or to otherwise treat them as less than equal as people, then sadly, I still don't think it is dead in that case either.
I think we should treat one another as equals and not put limits on what someone can do based on their sex.. but that doesn't mean we can't enjoy our differences
Chivalry is not dead. Not as long as I am alive. The act of chivalry is a personal preference. It's taught or handed down from generation to generation, ages to ages, and culture to culture.
The choice of a person to be chivalrous is completely up to them. However, if they were not to act in this manner, then it's likely they know nothing about it.
As for what it is truly? I will agree with some, it's about complete respect for your partner and those around you. It's about having harmony in one's life through honest actions.
I am of the understanding, females who have "ego" of man, see chivalry as a sign of weakness in man. Their own ego is in the fact they don't see the respect being offered.
Most women don't mind and would like men to be chivalrous. All women like to have things done for them, especially something that might seem meaningless, as opening a door so they can walk in first or if they are getting out of car(this is a little over-dramatic in today's society- hurry up and wait society - eliminated this function of chivalry for most men, simply because women open the door for themselves so as to cut down on time).
Women love to be respected, honored and shown appreciation, regardless of how it's shown, as long as it's through love.
Chivalry is another of those interesting things. It has basically come down to chivalry VS feminism / equal rights.
There are times when I will get bent out of shape because a man I am with holds a door open for me, pulls out my chair, or offers to take my coat. Why? Because I can do it for myself! LOL (and because its what I learned?)
On the other hand, I have held doors open for men and women, pulled out a chair for someone (not in the same manner, however) and offered to take coats. Why? Because I think it's common courtesy. If men have been doing it for women for centuries then its only right that women take a turn.
ummm...no offense guys, as i do appreciate your input here, and i think everyone here makes a valid point about chivalry. however, lets not stray away from this original topic to talk about racism here, as that's not what this is about. please.
oh no, it's nothing against you or what your saying. it's just that I don't want this forum to turn into another one them where people start to get into pointless arguments over stuff, and then people start to get banned for stupid reasons that's all. besides, this forum is just a place for us all to have intellectual debates that's all.
Oh yes chivlary is dead...but it is very important to me. I do not like standing outside a vehicle in the rain waiting for my lock to be popped open from the inside. With the way the World is, I appreciate my man coming around the vehicle to open my door, I feel safer for him doing it. I have no problem opening a door myself, but it shows respect to me and makes me feel good that I am a lady to him. The same with him taking my coat and pulling out my chair...it really makes him look good in a public place and again it shows respect. My Son was raised with chivlary and his girlfriend thanks me for it...I raised a Gentleman that shows his lady respect...I am so proud. So it really has nothing to do with me doing it myself...to me, it shows respect, class and makes me feel good that he wants to do it for me, his momma taught him well...I'm sure he puts the toilet seat down also.
Yes...Chivalry, as understood by Americans, is dead ... it was killed in the 60's and buried in the 70's....Here is a real example that happened to me just last week...I was coming out of a bakery here and held the door open for a woman coming in...she looked at me and sniffed " you don't have to hold that door open for me "...I looked at her and said " Ma'am, I don't hold this door open for you per se, I hold it open for myself "...she didn't respond....
I don't really get the idea that its dying, Women in Texas still like being walked to their car having doors opened for them and chairs carefully tucked under their butts. I have never had one sneer at me or make rude comments like what happened to Maven, if I did I would probably say "I'm sorry,sir" and walk away, but thats just me.
maybe you should rent out the dvd then. i heard in the dvd, they have an alternate ending scene that was so scary they edited out of the final movie shot. maybe you should try that. i've never seen it, but i do plan on buying the dvd sometime this week.
I have sat in a car and the guy did not realize until he got to the buildings door...I got a sorry from him, but when we were leaving he ran to the car, brought it up to the curb and popped the lock, rather than getting out and opening my door for me...I never went out with him again...chivlary is very important and I very much appreciate it.
chivalry isn't dead or sexiest or whatever, it's just being courteous to one another. I'll open the door for anyone, let you go first, stand up to let an old lady sit on the bus. It's just good manners, that's all. Remember them?
What the hell is a feminist exactly? My Mother worked outside the home as a nurse long before the 60's crowd decided it was a conspiracy to keep women down, I consider her a feminist! And you better open the door or she'll stick a boot up your ass!
(Disclaimer, A Texans mother does not wear boots)but you get the idea!
It is important to be respectful and courteous. Opening doors, carrying the umbrella, offering to pay (not always paying, but offering), just overall being kind and having good manners. I particularly wouldn't like a guy ordering for me. But thats just me.
A definition that I found to be accurate: "Chivalry is only a name for that general spirit or state of mind which disposes men to heroic actions, and keeps them conversant with all that is beautiful and sublime in the intellectual and moral world."
Young men these days are confused. Numerous high school students talked to me about chivalry when we were studying the chivalric code in Brit lit. They really don't know what's expected of them. Some have told me that when they've held doors open for women, they received snide remarks. Poor guys!
I am happy to say, however, that chivalry is alive and well in the Deep South, especially among mature men.
why would it be dead? It was never that common anyway... anyway I haven't given up; instead I have extended it. Why treat only women with kindness and respect... I'll open a door for anyone who is walking close behind me, man or woman. And it always amuses me how men, in contrast to women these days who kind of grudgingly acknowledge if at all (unless I say "go on, I've had enough of this "age before beauty"), are generally somewhat suprised and bother to smile and say thanks
no, my beef is wearing a hat indoors, baseball cap wrong way round or anything else.... not in my house, much to the annoyance of my kids lol..
Hi Steven! I liked your opening questions, “is chivalry dead? And if it is, who killed it?” I don’t pretend to be an expert on this, or any, subject but that doesn’t stop me from having an opinion.
When you refer to chivalry in society today in the USA, I think of social acts of courtesy extended by a gentleman to a lady in his company. The same acts between two gentlemen are equally appropriate. They are simply called politeness.
Those who suggest that such displays of good manners imply that the recipient is incapable or inferior, just don’t see it for what it is: a gesture of respect.
Is it Dead? I think not. But, like bell bottoms and tie-dyed shirts, it is increasing more difficult to find. I place responsibility for this, not with feminist or chauvinists so such, but with parents. Gentlemen are not born with good manners, they acquire them from parents be they real or surrogate. And, I might add, a lady who would discourage such behavior from a gentleman in her company doesn’t appreciate good manners when she sees them because she lacks them herself.
To this day , I still open doors for any lady (or gentleman).! I respect my elders! I help the disabled to get across the street! Chivalry will never die as long as we teach our children to have respect!
I think Chivalry is observed by a select few and I equate it to good manners. I for one don't blame the women's lib movement. You have people who grew up without manners and don't recognize it. I don't think I should stop being courteous just because someone else is being an ass. Of course, that doesn't apply in hubpage forums
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