To me, a miracle is anything that a human cannot do on his own or some basic happening that can only be attributed to a supernatural force. (Well, not anything, because the devil can perform acts that aren't humanly possible, but that's another topic.)
Child conception and birth is a miracle from God!
Just the fact that humans can breathe is a miracle from God!
The resurrection of Jesus was a miracle!
Salvation is a miracle!
Healing of disease through doctors and also through prayer is a miracle!
As far as miracles that seem unexplainable, as most people describe miracles, yes I believe those can and do happen as well, though I've not seen any directly; but have heard reliable tales of them, and have experienced a healing miracle myself (personal stuff; not gonna share here).
You can see what happened to me in one of my hubs. I can't tell you the URL here.
Yes, I too have experienced miracles that many people may not believe to be logical or possible, though I also do not want to discuss it here.
Which definition do you refer?
1. Any amazing or wonderful occurrence.
2. A marvelous event manifesting a supernatural act of a divine agent.
The first might be valid but the second is merely a statement of faith.
Both your descriptions, I think
You may not believe what happened to me but you may like to go through one of hubs to learn what happened to me, if you feel so inclined though I can't tell you the URL here
Yes, I think you did share that story about your wife and cancer? I really couldn't see how you could become a believer in religion simply because a small town doctor said it might "possibly" be cancer and you went on to say you believed for a fact it was cancer and that you turned into a believer of Jesus as a result.
I saw no miracles there at all, just statements of faith with overwhelming emotions leading the way.
Scary. I assume these two will never bother going to a doctor ever again.
Good for you third millenium. No doubt you immediately canceled your health insurance as well.
Perhaps if more Christians were like you - we would not need any medical systems or doctors at all. Seeing as all you need is prayer. Makes you wonder why there are so many hospitals and such in Amerika.
Found a lump which was not there one day - lump there next day - gone the next. Provincial doctor says it "might be a malignant tumor" - despite the fact that this requires a biopsy to ascertain and no doctor in their right mind would tell you something like this without doing some tests first.
Said doctor is also incapable of performing a simple biopsy with a needle and after some crying and praying - the "possible malignant tumor" that was never biopsied vanishes overnight.
And this persuades you that The Nonsense (I have renamed the bible) is true and that Jesus will cure certain selective special people of cancer if they pray to him - preferably while crying because they do not want to go to heaven to be with Jesus in Paradise.
Funny how no amount of prayer has ever caused a lost limb to regrow.
That god fella sure is picky about the stuff he will do.
You have, in your over-zealousness to refute even the slightest hint that God exists, overlooked the fact that we had anyway gone to an oncologist who was surprised to find no lump EVER HAVING BEEN THERE. I have given this fact in my original write-up.
And, relax, Mark. We do the normal tests even now. AND, any illness, we still visit the doctor. I do not, as a rule, blindly believe anything and everything that is said about God. I do not for a moment consider sitting and paying attention to the dribble from suave and sleek professionals like Benny Hinn or Joyce Meyers.
I take all organized religions including churches of various hues with a load of salt. Even some deductions as derived from the Bible by men, I KNOW to be untrue. For instance, I am sure the universe is teeming with millions of planets with living organisms. Even this fact, the Bible does not actually repute. It just doesn't talk about the subject, that is all.
It may surprise you, but some of my views about Christianity would be considered blasphemous not only by hardcore believers but other non-commited Christians as well but, I had better not air them here!
Not even slightly surprised. Your religion has a long history of people twisting it to suit themselves. Then accusing others who do so of blasphemy. Hence the perfect word of god will always, always cause division and ill will.
Not really got much to say about the oncologist who can say that something WAS NEVER THERE. Makes you wonder doesn't it?
Of all the possible explanations - water retention, swelling caused by a tight bra, slight infection, internal bruising, your imagination - any number of possibles - you go with God curing some one who does not want to go and live with Jesus in Paradise.
Despite the fact that the doctor in question should never had said "it might be a malignant tumor " without doing some tests, and despite the fact that it appeared overnight and then went away over night.
I can only assume you have not lived in your body very long, because I had had all sorts of lumps and bumps come and go over the years. I do not though - jump to the conclusion that I have cancer and then secondly - jump to the rather more unlikely "divine cure " for said cancer.
I am keen to know why you think you were singled out as special though. Breast cancer is one of the biggest killers of women in th UK and US.
What makes you think your wife is special when many other women die from it.
I also see you do not actually trust this new found ability to be magically cured and still go to the doctors when needed - why is that?
Although - I hope you go to a different doctor than the moron who said "it might be a malignant tumor" without having done a biopsy.
I do not really think we were the only ones singled out. There must be a lot of other people in the list. Only, we do not know
Any way, it is like his.
Unless you apply, you do not get a job. Unless you ask for a piece of pizza to the shopkeeper, you do not buy it.
And, unless you nag your wife, you do not do IT
Its the same here
You ask for something, believe in it absolutely, you WILL get it > It has got to be legitimate and within reason.
Ask for a motorcycle. Do not ask for gasoline
Hope I'm not intruding, I'm brand new here having signed up to this site literally 5 minutes ago in the (probably vain) hope of earning some much needed extra income - not even sure how I've arrived on this page although I doubt that it was divine intervention.
Anyhow blah blah... despite the fact that rational debate with those who have faith in a 'god' always seems frustratingly pointless, I can't help but respond to thirdmillenium's final point because it makes no sense at all.
With respect, how can you claim that if you ask and believe in something absolutely (I'm assuming you mean have faith in and pray to a higher power) and it is a legitimate request, that you 'WILL get it' ?
Do you really think that is a true or even reasonable statement?
There are MILLIONS of people in the world who are without even the basic neccesities of life - enough food, water or shelter. We know that many of these people have a religious faith and no doubt some of them believe in and pray to the same god as you. Is praying for a bowl of rice an unreasonable request from someone starving to death?
You say 'Ask for a motorcycle. Do not ask for gasoline.'
Maybe that's the problem then - the starving should not have such low expectations. Perhaps they should pray for a full English breakfast rather than a measly bowl of rice eh?
Welcome my friend to Hubs
But I must tell you you got it all wrong
What I meant was, ask for basic things, not its continuation.
I did not mean ask for expensive motor cycle and insignificant gasoline.
I must tell you that it is for individuals to "feel" God. If you do not believe in him, you would not be able to perceive him.
Like, how many times have we wondered: "What does he see in her?"
The point is He Sees Something in her that you and I do not. We will never be able to understand it.
Same goes here too.
If you believe, you believe.
If you do not, you do not.
If you believe and ask for things - again within reason - you will get it
What-Why- How, Hi and welcome to Hubs.... and no you are not intruding anyone who uses logic, reason and common sense in their discussion points is always welcome. However you will find that not all on here have such an open mind.
I agree with many of your points especially the point you raise about;
“ There are MILLIONS of people in the world who are without even the basic necessities of life - enough food, water or shelter. We know that many of these people have a religious faith and no doubt some of them believe in and pray to the same god as you. Is praying for a bowl of rice an unreasonable request from someone starving to death?”
I have travelled the world quite extensively, far more so than any who ignore your statement above because it tends to contradict their misconception of this mysterious all great and loving God. I have been in some extremely religious countries and I have to say they are in the most God forsaken parts of this world.
So welcome to our forums, we don’t always agree with one another but I hope we do it with respect, most of the time !!!
It appears that prayer is nothing more than another superstition.
I'm sure an amputee has a legitimate reason to want his limb back, and it is within reason to ask an omnipotent God to perform this miracle. But many amputees have prayed and begged God every night for years on end. Still no regrowth.
Hello again and thanks for the welcome.
First of all, you're right thirdmillenium - I didn't realise that the point you were trying to make with the motorcycle and gasolene was about continuation. If you had said 'Do not THEN ask for gasolene' my silly little head would've got it. However, no harm done; that isn't important.
You seem to be saying that faith in a god is based on a 'feeling' that can not be understood by those who, for whatever reason, do not share the 'feeling.' Well, fair point. I remember how I felt when I was certain I'd found my soulmate and others just didn't understand how or why I felt that way. Turns out I was wrong though, deluded from blind love.
Finally, and more to the point, you ignore the whole point of my first post when I asked you to explain the clearly false statement you made. Not only do you fail to offer any explanation or justification, you actually repeat the exact same rubbish at the end of your post!!
"If you believe and ask for things - again within reason - you will get it."
?????????? Refresh - Starving person, believes in the same god as you, prays for rice (reasonable request, yes?) ring a bell??!
I would be really grateful if you could either attempt to justify your claim or admit that it was utter drivel.
Life itself is a miracle - everything else is a natural law
Absolutely! Miracles are experienced by those who invest their time in believing in them Prayer helps you get there. Trusting in God. Hey I have a hub on prayer if anyone would like to know more on how to pray and get results and attract miracles.
But remember we have to believe without doubting in order to experience a miracle. Otherwise we will only be spectators and not active uses experiencing a miracle. .
No - I do believe that many unexplained things happen - but they are just that not a miracle.
Something beyond my understanding is miracles. Perhas, what is miracle to me is a normal incident to someone else. So, miracle is a relative word used by people who can not explain an event, never experienced before.
When I was a nurse I saw some miraculous things, but were they miracles? I think it depends on your point of view. Yes people recovered when they were thought to be about to die, but whether that is a miracle or the doctors were just wrong in their prognosis - who knows?
Interesting to say perhaps the doctors were just wrong in their prognosis. There are many people who were at the door of death (me being one of them) and if it had not been for a miracle I would have been dead. I believe they were miracles, if they were not that would make a lot of doctors prognosis wrong.
BTW love your name Precious.
Yes. When people come out of 3 year coma's is a true mircale or if they are struck by a car and shud be scientifically dead but are not.
Indeed I do!
God has performed miracles in my life and people I know. Sometimes, it's unbelieveable to other's to understand.
I know for sure he is full of miracles still. What do you need?
What kind of miracles do you seek in your life?
I would have to write a book on all the miracles he has placed in my life. He has saved me from car wrecks and I came out of them alive. Which even the officer's were puzzled and couldn't figure this out.
I tell you all who may not believe in God and his miracles. He does exist, he is Alive and full of miracles for those who pray and believe he will do whatever he says he'll do for you. Trust in him!
And give him a chance to prove himself to you...
In hopes to encourage you and know there is hope for you.
LOL....Mark Knowles cracks me up.
I believe that many, many, many unexplained things have happened to each and every one of us, but to automatically assume these were acts of god is not logical in my opinion.
Yes, I so much believe in miracle. In fact I had one extra ordinsry miracle yesteray that i can't explain how it happene. But, one thing i was sure of is that I sure did prayed for that with strong faith.
you bet your sweet a** i believe in miracles. how else could you explain the excellence when god broke the mold to create me? his greatest piece of work. mwahahhahaaha!
Absolutely! Even life itself is a miracle. Nobody can truly explain why we (and other forms of life) live. Science can only tell us what's wrong with the body, how to fix it (to some degree), but can never explain what makes those bodies live and breath.
You know what? As someone has said before (sorry, forgot where I read that), I'd rather believe that God exists now, and later finds out that He exist, than believing otherwise and later, after I die, finds out that He exists.
In other words, live your life in fear, based on the possibility that any imaginary being could be real. Nonsense.
What if you are wrong about Allah, Thor, and all the other gods that have been created over the years.
I think you better convert to every one of these religions right now--you know...Just in case.
Funny you say about fear. I found that most of the agnostics and the so called atheists fear for so many more things than us who have God to believe in.
And just fyi (in case you never thought of this before), God does not need us. It is us who need Him more than we will ever know or think of. So, no wonder God does not reveal Himself to anybody who never even cares if He exists or not.
But to the ones who wholeheartedly seek Him, He reveals Himself from time to time. Many even have met Him in person, seeing Him with their own eyes.
If you want to, you can search in the internet. There are so many people witnessed their personal encounters with Jesus, seeing Him with their own eyes - some even touched Him. Me too had the similar experience more than 10 years ago. I just did not post it in the net.
To everyone, sorry, I don't intend to open a debate here. Just want to share. So, case closed, for me at least
Could you state some of those things we Agnostics and Atheist fear?
This is just emotional regurge. Back it up with proof and I will re-evaluate my stance.
This is to be believed?...There are verses in the bible that contradict this, thereby nullifying your statement:
No man hath seen God at any time
And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend.
FYI-The alleged Jesus has been dead for 2000 years. Anyone claiming to see things that don't exist could be suffering from some form of emotionl/mental/psychological breakdown.
Yeah, case closed for you, because you have nothing but blind faith. It seems that you and God are too powerless to support your absurd statements.
This is a bit theological. But the simple explanation is, before Jesus nobody can see God because their sins had not been washed yet. Without holiness, nobody can see God without being perished. But after Jesus, those who have received His redemption on the cross and continue living in holiness may see Him.
I see that you read the Bible, too. In the book of Revelation, you see that John, the very same one whose book you quoted above, saw the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit at their thrones.
What kind of proof do you want? There are abundant proofs that you can google about the existence of God.
If only you were willing to use your simple logic honestly, you will know that although we can not see God, we can see His minds in His creations.
Even the low level animal like worms, or even bacteria, have very complicated but also very logically structured and organized parts/organs in their body. The logical structure and organization of the body are even more complex than what you can find in the most modern airplanes.
Evolutionists say that all life forms were formed by random occurrences. If that would be true, I wonder why archeologists and geologists never find, for example, a car beneath the surface or in the forest. Why can't those random occurrences build a much simpler structure like a motorcycle? Why the nature gives us maggots instead of bicycles? Wait... after thinking for a while, I think I know why. Apparently the nature did not love us enough to give everyone of us bicycle for free!
And another simple logic. Men never knew the existence of microorganisms such as bacteria until microscope invented. And no one knew anything about virus until the invention of electron microscope decades later. Didn't those microorganisms exist before we have those instruments? Of course they did. We can see and feel the effects: typhus and influenza, for example.
The same thing can be applied to God and other spiritual beings. We may not be able, yet, to detect or see them, but if we stubbornly insist that they don't exist just because of that, it's just plainly stupid.
However, if you choose to not believe them and hold to your own opinion, that's not my problem. In addition, research also shows most people don't really seek the truth, they just seek anything that can support their initial stance. See now why I'm not interested in debating you?
Wow, it's been long already. I can make a new hub out of this. Maybe....
And for anybody else who is interested to read what I wrote before about people meeting Jesus in person, follow this links:
This is wrong. Either you are ignorant of what science actually says - in which case I suggest you educate yourself before attacking genuine knowledge in favor of relion's fairy tales - or you are being deliberately dishonest. Sad.
Rubbish. Do you not understand that telling people they are being stupid because they do not agree with your irrational beliefs is just offensive and guaranteed to cause ill will and conflict? You really feel comfortable telling me I am stupid because I do not believe in your invisible Super Daddy in the Sky?
That is the problem with your ridiculous religion - no moral or ethical code. Sad.
Yes - like most religionists - you are just here to tell us how it is. Preaching without listening. Sad.
And still you provide no proof, just more ignorance!
Do you realize this is a basic fallacy. And I don't think you know what the word honest means.
Just because there are complex organisms in nature does not give you a license to assign this to some unknown supernatural entity. There could be plenty of other reasons that the universe exist, but to think that a ridiculous bible, with contradictions and abject ignorance of science has the explanation is shockingly closed-minded.
THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE PROVEN IS THAT YOUR RELIGION IS A SILLY, CHILDISH PSYCHOTIC DELUSION.
True, we fear what believers will do next in their zeal to tell us how to live.
Did they also meet the guys with the white coats and straps.
I believe in miracles, the beauty and the world are miracles, the sceneries, the overflowing love -- children to parents and parents to children, everywhere -- the children and my life, the air I breathe!
No never ever even came close to anything remotely close to a miracle! HA!
Billy Connolly, famous Scottish comedian in one of his comedy sketches about the Last supper has one of Apostles drunkenly yelling at JC, “Go on ...Do one of them Holy Tricks... I love it when he changes the water into wine....”
Do I believe in miracles ? No.
Do I believe that strange and extraordinary things happen around human beings, you bet your life I do, why try to explain that a bomb that kills one and leaves another unmarked ? Or ask where a woman suddenly finds the strength to move a car off her child after an accident.
We humans do these things every day, whenever there is a need or a disaster up pops the heroes and all too often the media headlines it as a miracle !
Of course the Church and the God squad are quick to second the media motion as some sort of half assed proof as to the existence and the might malevolence of their maker, which I have to admit makes me sick because it takes the real credit away from the true heroes and heroines of the day.
How many were running around screaming MIRACLE as the living were pulled from the rubble of 9/11 ? They shout miracle on this day of all days when a mad bunch of God lovers use aircraft to wreck havoc and kill thousands of innocent people.
Pardon me for asking they maybe of a different faith but isn’t it the same God ?
There were no miracles that day. Just an awful lot of very brave people doing what real people do in tough situations, THEIR BEST ! What more can we ask ?
A very sensible discussion rare here.
Welcome to hubpages WWH.
Good to have another voice of reason.
No, but, I do believe in magic.
Great song by The Lovin' Spoonful, 1965
I do...'Cause it is a miracle that I got out of bed this morning!
Hello Beelzedad: That would be a 1942 Farmall H Tractor if I had my druthers:
As it is now...it is merely a simple man's dream...for the moment!
Now that's a mighty fine looking tractor there...if you ask me...!
WOW! I love it! I can't get enough of RFDTV classic tractors and tractor pulls. Thanks for the great picture!!!
Sure...I've seen many miracles in my life, including the birth of my children. But I guess whether or not one believes in miracles is determined what they define as a 'miracle'.
I also have seen miracles in my life. I am an ardent devotee of Sathya Sai Baba and there were a few times when I prayed to Him in very tough situations and what a miracle, my problems became ashes. There are also times when Swami granted me the power to withstand even physical pains.
I dont want to say here that my Swami is the best. God is one. If you believe in God (in whatever form you worship)and always think, speak and act good, then you are sure to see miracles in life.
I have experienced miracles in my life and have seen miracles come about in other people's lives. If I do my best, HE will do the rest!
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