ANCIENTS by Merwin

Yeah I know... this is likely to get a little "out there" for nearly everyone but please bear with me..?

ANCIENTS

BY Merwin

Previously - on the comments of my last Hub, “A heartless God..? Ha… Ha… more like heartless people.” I posted this comment and thought it useful to begin this Hub with, I will notate when the selected comment ends and the rest begins… (some editing for clarity and grammar was made)

Stopping here this morning before moving on to finish the next Hub... ANCIENTS.

On the one hand... (you Chasuk, say) there is no God or anything else that might be considered supernatural. That the monster that is man, will hopefully one day grow out of murderous ways but you do not seem hopeful. (fair assessment?)

On the other hand... (I believe) there is a God and He, for the last maybe, 20 thousand years, has been maneuvering through the many efforts and failures of man's attempts to prove that he is his own god. Keeping man from totally destroying everything, perhaps, hundreds of times, and this all, to provide an ultimate eternal solution that showcases man's failure to be god over himself.

The rebellion in the Garden, was effectively, two perfect minds being obstinate and stating, "We want to rule ourselves, we will eat the fruit and know what we need to know to do so. We will be our own gods."

We have, in those many eras since, done nothing to prove that we are anything but desperately wicked and murderous, with some exceptions. And invariably those exceptions can trace their source to the influences provided by the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

He, God, has sought to provide us a better way out of our self absorption dilemma from the very beginning, but it must be done in a way that truthfully shows our murderous choices from beginning to end. It must be done in a way that clearly... for all eternity, illustrates that we had every opportunity to do it right, and proved ourselves fiends every time.

We proved ourselves to be fiends. We did this while manipulating the hearts and loyalties of the devoted, and, while seeking to eradicate everyone's desire for God/gods. We have used religion for power, and we have used man’s desire for freedom from religions for the same end, in all cases we have proven that we are murderous.

God... through Jesus has provided the saving solution and we have provided His proof, and it has all, finally come full circle in this generation.

END OF PREVIOUS HUB COMMENT.

In the last Hub I asked some questions and made statements about the many unexplainable structures that have been found around the globe. Most of which defy post flood descriptions, and that… might want to make us re-examine the descriptions for the most obvious obvious example, the Giza Pyramid.

Because of its accessibility to many sequential civilizations, a few theories for its construction have been rendered, but, few have departed from the earliest accounts or theories of its building. These earliest treatments in hieroglyphics have been considered by many, as the actual historical documentation as to the hows and whys of its development, but I disagree with this assessment.

I consider those accounts to be their best guess as to the Giza construction. It may be an educated guess, for they may have constructed the lesser pyramids as best as they could using the techniques they describe, but the larger ones those descriptions remain doubtful.

It must be said here that the earliest penetration of the Giza pyramid is in 820 A.D. by the Arab, Caliph Abdullah Al Manum, http://unmuseum.mus.pa.us/kpyramid.htm . There was no treasure, no mummy, it was never a tomb. There were no carved hieroglyphics of any kind, and certainly none that would describe the builder, providing him with praise for the building.

In an ancient civilization that thrives on carving hieroglyphs everywhere, one may reasonably speculate that, that was not the civilization that built Giza’s largest structure.

My suggestion is, (borrowed from many sources, secular and otherwise) that the Giza Pyramid and many other similarly constructed (those beyond explanation by modern science) structures were pre-flood, by our high-technologically advanced ancestors, that were, for the most part in rebellion to God.

Brothers and Sisters in Jesus, below are links to History Channel programs. These programs are looking at these actual sites of ancient structures and are drawing extra terrestrial conclusions which I do not agree with, but these places actually exist. Remember these are not believers that put these programs together but even they speculate on the likely-hood of the flood.

My conclusion is that these structures were built pre-flood, so please watch the videos (none of which are longer than fifteen minutes) with that understanding, it will make it much easier to get through.

Below History Channel’s, Ancient Aliens (Season 2: Episode 8) in three parts at top… part one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=583-HsdvhLg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA0SR8HLlcg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK2HDN6jPNs&NR=1

Underwater, parts one, two and three…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to1k1uw--gY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbu_ZHKuaCY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSkUbKAKCGA&feature=related

And probably the most amazing…

Tihuanaco & Pumapunku

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMviviXAIVI

Below are some Wikipedia text references to sites that were featured in the above links.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiwanaku http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumapunku

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacsayhuam%C3%A1n

Comments 13 comments

Chasuk 5 years ago

You make two claims:

1. There exist many structures around the globe which were constructed by methods "beyond explanation by modern science."

2. These structures were built by our antediluvian ancestors.

You suggest the Great Pyramid of Giza as the most obvious example of one of these structures. However, instead of arguing your claims, you provide links to YouTube videos and Wikipedia articles.

I'll hopefully watch them over the next few days.


Chasuk 5 years ago

The videos were fascinating. I'd never heard of Gobekli Tepe. Interestingly, I've been about 215 miles from it, approximately a decade before excavations began.

I don't believe the deluge myths of worldwide flooding. Unquestionably, there have been numerous prehistoric "megafloods." I suggest that these inspired the deluge myths.

I don't know how or why our prehistoric ancestors moved some of the enormous stones, megaliths, and monoliths that they did. We trivially lift heavier things now, so I readily accept that our prehistoric ancestors were skillful with cranes, ramps, winches, and pulleys. To speculate other technologies would be to argue from my own ignorance, and I'm not going to fall into that logical fallacy.

Keep in mind that calculating the weight of monoliths isn't exact, as this Wikipedia entry discusses:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_monol...

Thank you for the intriguing hub, Merwin.


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CoauthorU 5 years ago from Inland Northwest, USA Author

Probably the most significant (my opinion)of the lists are...

Tihuanaco & Pumapunku

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMviviXAIVI in excess of 10 thousand years old and the stone work at Pumapunku is intricate and nearly impossible to duplicate today with modern technology... fascinating.


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parrster 5 years ago from Oz

Brilliant hub! I stand with you in what you've presented and concluded, and am left only to ponder the wonder of the most ancient world.


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FirstCommunion 5 years ago from US

Awesome hub you got here!


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CoauthorU 5 years ago from Inland Northwest, USA Author

2 parrster and FirstCommunion...

Thank you both for your kind words.

2 Chasuk...

My friend you are always kind and sometimes, because that is so prevalent, I forget to tell you that it is appreciated.


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CoauthorU 5 years ago from Inland Northwest, USA Author

2 parrster and FirstCommunion...

Thank you both for your kind words.

2 Chasuk...

My friend you are always kind and sometimes, because that is so prevalent, I forget to tell you that it is appreciated.


Matthew James Blacksher 5 years ago

Thank you Merwin. As usual you make me feel stupid with your writing (in a good way). I enjoy being challenged by your perspectives...


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Roger Crigger 5 years ago from Northern Idaho

I have spent countless hours thinking about much of what you covered above.... I almost HAVE to believe that Adam and Eve were not the only beings created by the hands of God... Nor were they the first, and nowhere in scripture does it say that they were. Who knows how many times this ball of water has been "re-arranged" for whatever purpose. I do believe that Adam, however, was special, for a specific purpose, the details of which would require an entirely new Hub to adequately cover... But, "The Son's of God",..."The men of renown", (The Nephalim makers), The "People" outside the garden that Cain was afraid would kill him... (Dinosaurs for that matter) ALL lend to the notion that 'modern man' was not God's first creation on this planet. Great Hub my fat friend!


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CoauthorU 5 years ago from Inland Northwest, USA Author

2 EL ROTUNDO (Roger)...

There is so much we do not know, I agree.

Don't forget to read my new one on the subject ANCIENTS II.


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lone77star 4 years ago from Cebu, Philippines

Interesting take. No doubt there is a great deal more left to be discovered.

One thing I discovered in Genesis is a biblical timeline compatible with those of science, but based upon clues "hidden" in Genesis. I talk about this in several of my own hubs, including a series on Genesis.

But many researchers (called "fringe" by the mainstream) peg the building of the great structures at sometime between 15,000 and 10,000 BC. Genesis seems to point to the date 27,970 BC for the Flood. Curiously, Edgar Cayce had said 28,000 BC for the Flood -- a round figure only 30 years from that in Genesis -- a less than 1% difference. What makes this doubly interesting is that comparing this with the timelines of science reveals the probable culprit behind the need for the Flood and reveals the Flood's target.

Cayce also gave a date for one of the earliest events in humanity's existence -- 10.5 million BC. This would be the time of "Adam" -- the earliest tribe mentioned in Genesis 5:2 (male and female). Perhaps just as interesting is the fact that Genesis gives, by the interpretation I found, 10,434,130 BC -- also less than 1% difference from Cayce's rounded approximation.


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CoauthorU 4 years ago from Inland Northwest, USA Author

2 lone77star...

(copied and pasted from Ancients II)

Thanks for your comments.

You are right of course about Ussher's estimation, my (mental slip) bad. I shall make mention of it in Ancients III, that I intend to compose very soon.

As to the exact time of creation..? I have no idea really, I cannot bring myself to adhere to any assessment. Though I have certain loyalties to the Biblical (Rabbinical / Ussher) views, I find myself wondering about Adam's Lilith, and the gap theory of Genesis.

I was intrigued greatly by your Hubs re: Atlantis... (link below) and I just shared it on FaceBook.

http://lone77star.hubpages.com/hub/Atlantis-Quest-


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Roger Crigger 4 years ago from Northern Idaho

It is good, if for no other reason than to ADMIT that "I DON'T HAVE IT ALL FIGURED OUT...and I'm NOT God", to see others come to the conclusion that HE'S GOD....I'm not. His way's are not necessarily my ways and His thoughts are FAR higher than mine!

So, having said that...Throw this (I'll call it a fact), into the bucket... GOD doesn't deal in time! He's not bound by it's limitations or scientific definites, (if that's a word), but that's how, for example, the thief on the cross can simultaneously be "with Jesus THIS DAY in His fathers kingdom" and "Risen as the dead in Christ" to stand before the judgement seat thousands of years later.... It is IMPOSSIBLE at this point "In time" to even remotely conceive or wrap our noggins around the concept of NO BEGINNING! Great series my friend... I need to tell you that I love you more. Merwin Severtson, I love you!

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