American Christians With A Persecution Complex Delusion

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Persecution Complex Delusion

Can someone please explain to me how Christian citizens of the United States of America are actually persecuted in a country where the approximate percent of Christians is 78%?

In a world where so many people have died because of their beliefs I am flabbergasted to hear American Christians claim such an atrocity as their own. Why would anyone believe that American Christians are persecuted? Before you hurry in to claim the mean atheist on the internet persecutes you, let me remind you of what you are free to do here in the USA without fear of dying or going to jail.

  • Attend church whenever you like
  • Pray whenever and where ever you so choose
  • Wear a symbol of your belief visible to all others around your neck
  • Read your bible whenever you choose
  • Believe in whichever of the THOUSANDS of Gods you choose

So you are free to do all of this, but the second someone questions your beliefs or thinks they are silly, you are suddenly being persecuted? Oh my, and if someone questions the bible it's almost like killing you right? If you think like this you are absurd!

It seems American Christians have a serious persecution complex delusion. When a public figure criticizes the "Christian movement", or offers believers in other faiths an equal voice in our society, you can bet Christians will start howling. Claims of Christian persecution in America is almost comical when this country is where two-thirds of citizens claim to be Christians, where financial gifts to Christian churches are tax deductible, where Christian pastors can opt out of paying social security, and where no one is restricted from worshiping however, whenever, and wherever they wish.

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What is NOT Persecution

Lets go over some basic concepts that either ignorance or delusion has made some people misunderstand or conveniently forget.

  1. Being told others are allowed to marry is NOT persecuting you! Actually it has zero impact on your religion or marriage unless you or your spouse happen to be gay!
  2. Being told that others are free to believe in whatever they want is NOT persecuting you! It simply means no one gets to think THEIR way is the only way. Don't be entitled. Believe what you want, but please stop acting like you are being persecuted simply because people get to believe in something other than what YOU do!
  3. People questioning your belief is NOT persecution! People are allowed to question things they don't understand.
  4. People disbelieving in what you believe in is NOT persecuting you! It actually has nothing to do with you at all. Think of all the things you DON'T believe in!
  5. Being told you are not allowed to tell other people what to do is NOT persecuting you! Again you get to believe whatever you want or do what you want, but no one is going to be ok with you dictating your beliefs to others.

Why are these such hard things to comprehend? You are free to believe what you want, but everyone else is NOT required to believe the same as you. Oh yeah and we are free to question your belief if we choose to, just as you are free to question why we don't believe the same as you! None of this is remotely close to persecution!!

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Lets Answer The Questions That Were Presented By Lybrah

"Should a Christian always turn the other cheek when being persecuted for their beliefs?" Of course not! If your fellow Christians are being physically harmed or their constitutional rights taken away NONE of us should stand by and turn the other cheek! We should all stand together to stop ALL persecution, not just the persecution of people with similar beliefs. However in the USA we are all free to believe and question what we want.

"Is it wrong to defend your faith without being called a hypocrite?" This has nothing to do with persecution and merely a moment of realizing that grown ups are entitled to disagreeing!

"Should we allow people to ridicule our beliefs? Or spread crazy lies about Jesus being married to Mary Magdalene? Or condemning other Christians?" I should make sure that I note that the "we" in this quote is referring to Christians. Again though, this has nothing to do with persecution. People are free to ridicule your belief, just as you are free to ridicule atheists or any of the other thousands of religions! Crazy lies? Really? ALL RELIGIONS ARE OPEN TO INTERPRETATION BECAUSE RELIGION IS BASED ON FAITH NOT FACT!!! Condemn? Let's start with the basic definition of the word. Condemn - express complete disapproval of, typically in public. Wait isn't that what the extreme Christians do at my local festivals with their "God Hates Gays" signs? Of course people are free to condemn your beliefs. That is one of the joys of being an American. We are all free to disagree with whatever we want! Guess what? Dealing with it is part of being an adult.


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Real Persecution

Hundreds of thousands of people are murdered each year because of their beliefs. If you are offended because of someone on the internet disagreeing with you while people are dying in other places it shows your lack of maturity! If you truly believe someone on the internet disagreeing with you is the equivalent to what Christians in the Middle East are going through you are seriously delusional! Everyone please let go of your persecution complex and realize that you are free to believe what ever it is you want to believe in and I am free to disagree. This is the amazing part of being a USA citizen. We are free to believe and speak out all we want to! If you take that constitutional right away from me you take them away from yourself.

Lets all be adults and continue debate that is thought provoking and mature. I am reminded of the saying "If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen!"

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Disclaimer

I guess it's obvious I am not a Christian. However my husband and EVERY person I know personally are Christians. I have no problem with Christians and I love many. I am for everyone being able to believe whatever they want!

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peeples 2 years ago from South Carolina Author

Ever comment has been deleted because of this. Sorry guys, they already have my ads disabled and had unpublished it.

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JThomp42 2 years ago

WOW!


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Lady Guinevere 2 years ago from West Virginia

Oh and you know who reported your hub? Uh-huh!


JThomp42 2 years ago

It was not her Hub lady.

Moderator Note: Please remove all bickering and personal attacks from the comments in this Hub.


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peeples 2 years ago from South Carolina Author

Ads are removed based on hub content though, and I can not get an answer to what part of my hub makes it unable to have ads.


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Lady Guinevere 2 years ago from West Virginia

JT it was the hub because the ads were removed. peeples, you may never get a straight answer from them. I have had two hubs unpublished and got a few different answers on them as to why they were taken down. That is why I left for almost a year.


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Robert the Bruce 2 years ago

Interesting, peeples. My guess is that someone who disagreed with you probably reported this hub. I have my opinions on who that may be (based on past experiences) but I will refrain.

Some of the comments were inappropriate (mostly from those who disagreed with you), but I think most of the discussion was helpful.

Too bad the HP moderators are such control freaks.


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peeples 2 years ago from South Carolina Author

I think I am about to that point myself Lady. I just no longer think I have it in me to spend my time here.


JThomp42 2 years ago

Lady... this would have never happened if there hadn't been so many violations in the comments.

And peeples gets penalized for it. SMH


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OldRoses 2 years ago from Franklin Park, NJ

I'm so sorry that this happened to you, Peeples. I don't understand why ALL of the comments were deleted. IMO, most fell under the label of "discussion". Some were personal attacks and as such should have been deleted, but there is no way that all of them should have been deleted. As for your hub, you should be able to express your opinion, popular or unpopular. I honestly don't believe that it can be characterized as hate speech and an answer to a question that was not labeled hate speech.


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peeples 2 years ago from South Carolina Author

I deleted them all because after multiple attempts at deleting the ones I thought were too far, and it didn't work I finally just gave up and deleted all of them.


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Lady Guinevere 2 years ago from West Virginia

I have done that too peeples. It is difficult to separate the chaff from the wheat.


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gmwilliams 2 years ago from the Greatest City In The World-New York City, New York

Peeples, we love you, please do not leave HubPages. You are a great hubber. GM You are a breath of fresh air.


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Robert the Bruce 2 years ago

I agree with GM, peeples. You are one of the few active, vocal hubbers that combine maturity, experience, and reason. Hubpages would lose a voice of logic for sure.


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ChristinS 2 years ago from Midwest

good grief. Yeah, I understand Peeples, I've been feeling a lot of disillusionment with HP myself lately. It's sad that you feel forced to remove comments due to being reported obviously. I know other hubbers who have long running conversations in their hub comments - well known and loved hubbers who were at one point banned from the forums. Their comments are still going strong, so I am betting that it is because no one reported them.

I sincerely apologize if my calling a particular person out is what got you into some of this mess. I will refrain from opening my mouth in the future, because although I feel that my statements were not in error, I certainly would not want to be the cause of someone getting banned or having their ads removed etc.


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JMcFarland 2 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

I apologize for whatever part I played in the problem as well. It seems that the hp moderators have amped up their tactics as of late, with several notable people on both sides receiving bans, threats of being unpublished, removed, etc. I greatly respect your positions, and would hate to see you leave.


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Lady Guinevere 2 years ago from West Virginia

What it really is...she used her name in her post and then it went on from there. It is against the TOS to use or mention another hubbers name in a post. Now that she is gone though I do not see a problem with it. Then again who knows who on the moderators thinks what and I know they are all not on the same page. I have asked them to make a board for that, but Nooooooo.


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peeples 2 years ago from South Carolina Author

Supposedly ads were removed due to the holocaust photo.

http://hubpages.com/education/The-Lithuanian-Holoc...

http://hubpages.com/education/Remembering-the-Holo...

http://hubpages.com/education/The-holocaust-expira...

Yet in a matter of 3 minutes I was able to find 3 other hubs that contain holocaust photos that include dead people from a distance and all of them still have ads. I am calling BS!!


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peeples 2 years ago from South Carolina Author

Ads have been reinstated, at the cost of destroying a hub and wonderful comments. At this point I might as well delete it!


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Lady Guinevere 2 years ago from West Virginia

Moderators on here are IDIOTS. They are immature as they pick and choose whom they want to have problems with. When they unpublished one of mine that was about violent children doing violence to other children I was told that I could not have violence and children in the same hub. That was the last of three excuses they had. Another one was that their advertisers would not approve of that. I had found and linked with three others that had the same type of information in their hubs. You call BS because that is what it is...BS.


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JMcFarland 2 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

I completely agree that moderating is being applied unequally and unjustly, apparently at the win of the particular moderator. When you ask why three times, you get three different answers, if you get an answer at all. Most of their justifications are completely arbitrary, and canoe be properly defined let alone enforced. I'm sorry you had to experience that in your hub, Peeples.


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LongTimeMother 2 years ago from Australia

What you say makes perfectly good sense to me, peeples. Shame I missed the earlier version, but as it stands I believe you make very valid points.


TheBizWhiz 23 months ago

I agree that the word "persecuted" is a bit of an exaggeration. I snicker a bit when I hear almost anyone in America use it.

I think that a lot of groups exaggerate just so they can get their way and get people off of their back, whether it is a race, religion, or even atheists. Its kind of like a negotiation. You cannot go into one offering your compromise. The exaggeration is the same way. People like to make a big deal out of something just so they can get a little in return.


Autumn Sunshine 21 months ago

I am very curious as to what happened to JThomp42. Where did he go? I miss him. Does anyone know?


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Say Yes To Life 21 months ago from Big Island of Hawaii

Apparently he deleted his account. I have no idea why.


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peeples 21 months ago from South Carolina Author

I am sure he didn't just leave. He likely has another account now. I just don't see someone of his personality to just leave and not be here anymore.


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Lady Guinevere 21 months ago from West Virginia

Well, I sure do NOT miss him at all.


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lawrence01 20 months ago from Hamilton, New Zealand

I just read the hub and loved it. Let me be clear I am a Bible believing Christian of many years standing and I think your hub brings a good balance of what persecution really is

I've got to be honest in many churches Jesus wouldn't be welcome today but but I have the feeling he'd love this hub for its 'get a life ' stance.

There's so much hurt in our world it's time to concentrate on the real issues and at the same time be thankful we can worship freely. Now let's make the rest of humanity can enjoy the same freedom.

Lawrence


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peeples 13 months ago from South Carolina Author

Anyone figure out if JThomp42 came back as someone else? While we differed on opinions, I have to admit I miss him a tiny but. I actually enjoyed debating him over some of our current options that just quote the bible. At least he had words and opinions even when he was being difficult!

+1 to your last 2 sentences Lawrence01

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