An Afternoon of Tarot Cards, Sleepwalking and Demonic Possession

An ordinary guy in unusual circumstances


I consider myself a normal guy. I enjoy sports, movies and relaxing over a nice meal. I visit my elderly parents regularly. I am a working man, and spend my evenings with family or friends. On weekends I attend to household chores. My life in most respects is identical to yours.

But not always…

I have had several acquaintances who believed I was not like everyone else. Three women I have known in my adult life believed I offered protection against unseen forces stalking them. I was never certain what their beliefs were based upon, but they were adamant in asserting that I was the only one who could help them. At specific points in their lives, they came to me for help and protection. I never knew what I offered in response, but all of them assured me I saved them from deadly danger.

This is one of those instances.


Images of the unexplained

The face of evil
The face of evil
Spirits shrouded in fog
Spirits shrouded in fog
Nightmares from a century ago
Nightmares from a century ago
My friend used the Aquarian Tarot
My friend used the Aquarian Tarot
Sleepwalking?  Or, something more?
Sleepwalking? Or, something more?
Demonic Possession?
Demonic Possession?
A final outcome of safety
A final outcome of safety

An afternoon of fear


I received a telephone call on a Sunday morning in November 1980 from “Brad,” a lifelong friend and advisor. He invited me to visit in the afternoon. There was stress in his voice, but when I asked what was wrong, he was evasive. He assured me everything was fine, but he and his partner “Donna” had something to discuss with me. I arrived shortly after lunch and knocked on their door. Donna greeted me with a weary smile and invited me in. She looked exhausted, and I knew something was very wrong.

After some small talk about my classes at KU, I asked what their purpose in inviting me to visit was. Donna asked Brad if he might sit in the other room for awhile, and he politely acquiesced. Brad and Donna never kept secrets from each other, but she clearly didn’t want him to take part in our conversation. We sat at the kitchen table, side by side. Donna placed her hand in mine, looked into my eyes and spoke in hushed tones. She had been terrified lately. Her life was falling apart. A friend stopped visiting, convinced something horrible was about to happen to her. She sensed a presence in her home stalking her. The spirit sometimes appeared in the corner of her living room as a blue-gray fog or mist. Sometimes it swirled and resembled a cyclone. It never strayed from the corner, but she felt its presence frequently, even when she couldn’t see it. Donna said it wanted to kill her, both in the present and in at least one past life. While the force in her home remained in one place, it had grown in the last few weeks. It was larger and now filled almost a third of the room. As it grew, its whirling force threw her possessions about. It also began to emit an odor that sickened her, and affected the temperature in the house.

I asked how often she noticed this presence. She replied lately it was more and more frequently, but she first encountered it when she was very young. More recently, she saw the mist in the corner of the living room or had nightmares every night for the last week. Donna speculated the nightmares were not dreams but glimpses of a previous life. She estimated the time period to be late 19th or early 20th century, based upon speech patterns and clothing worn by people in her dreams. She mentioned castles, dying animals, and of being strangled by an evil entity. Donna thought Brad was there, but he somehow wasn’t human. In her dreams, Brad represented the spirit that menaced her. He was a creature of evil. She was exhausted but increasingly reluctant to go to bed at night, for fear of reliving these experiences.

I asked if there was ever a time when she didn’t feel this presence in her home. She didn’t feel it when I visited, and confessed that was why I was invited over. This spirit was never in the house when I was there. A week earlier when I came by to play cards with Brad, it was the first time in weeks she slept for more than an hour without waking up. She speculated that whatever this thing was feared me. She believed I exerted something that suppressed it—a power or aura. Donna hoped that I could banish this spirit from her house and life forever. I shrugged my shoulders in disbelief. I had no experience in controlling spirits, and I did not wish to say anything that would mislead her. I was just another guy. She was unfazed, claiming the spirit departed not just when I was there, but because I was there.

As we discussed the presence, Brad slept fitfully on the couch. His arm once fell to his side, and when he lifted it back to his body he tipped over the coffee table with his Aquarian Tarot cards on it—an amazing display of strength for a sleeping man. He muttered “no” in his sleep and made strange, guttural noises that sounded more animal than human. Brad rolled over and fell hard from the couch, but still didn’t awaken. Donna became alarmed, and bent over him. She said his name and touched his face. He muttered, “No! Not Brad!” and pushed her away as if she were weightless. Donna held his arms and threw herself on top of him. With all her weight pressed against his chest, she shouted his name and demanded he wake up.

Eventually, Brad’s eyes flickered open. Donna slowly lifted herself from him with relief, and Brad sat up. He quickly lunged for the Tarot cards scattered on the floor. He counted them, wrapped them meticulously in silk, and placed them back on the coffee table. A few minutes later he rose and walked toward the bathroom. Brad seemed at ease, but he punched the doors to the hall cabinets with his fist as he passed them. Donna came into the kitchen and hugged me, although seemingly more to calm her than me. She believed the connection between our conversation and what transpired seemed obvious. I asked what she suspected; she thought the evil spirit in her house might actually be Brad. She believed the force sought to occupy Brad’s body to hide from me. When I expressed my doubts, she said in tones mixed with fear and despair, “That’s why I couldn’t talk with him about it. That thing is either trying to possess Brad, or it is Brad!”

Brad returned from the bathroom, waved and smiled as he walked past the kitchen, and reentered the living room. Donna and I followed moments later and found him asleep again on the couch. She woke him, and we eventually realized punching the cabinet doors on the way to the bathroom and waving on the way back were all the actions of a sleepwalker. Donna was not above speculating that Brad’s behavior was not sleepwalking, but possession.

We explained what happened. She asked Brad to tell us what he dreamed, and he described something in the corner of the room. Donna asked if it looked like a fog or cyclone, but Brad shook his head. It was a man—an evil man. We conversed further, but there was nothing more to be said. We needed to inject some normalcy into events, and walked to the Kwik Shop for soda. Eventually I jokingly thanked them for a weird afternoon and left.


The final outcome


Donna asked me to visit frequently in the upcoming weeks, each time after being menaced by the spirit she feared or when nearing the point of physical exhaustion. She convinced herself she was completely safe only when I was in the house. Brad occasionally exhibited more bizarre behavior, and Donna continued to seek me out. She finally coerced me into spending the night in their home. We engaged in nothing unusual that night—Tarot cards or Ouija Boards were nowhere to be found. We ate dinner, shared a bottle of wine, built a fire and listened to music. When it was time to go to bed, I retired to their guest room. In the morning we ate breakfast together, and I went home.

The spirit in the house never returned. Donna was convinced the night I spent in her home was sufficient to frighten away forever a spirit that stalked her since childhood. While she continued to love Brad, she never fully trusted him. There was always a distance between them born of fear. Eventually he moved out of her home, and shortly afterwards she left town forever. She married and enjoyed a comfortable life—a life without interruptions from any unnatural menace.

I maintained that I did nothing more than spend the night in the guest room. My thoughts and actions involved nothing to cast myself as something demons should fear. I was reminded of this incident years later, when a young lady sought me out to save her from Satan. Once again, my presence was enough to resolve the situation to her satisfaction, despite the lack of any conscious action on my part.

It would not be the last time, either.

Read about a similar experience that occurred nearly a decade later at http://hubpages.com/hub/A-Demonic-Threat-and-Help-From-A-Realized-Master

Names and circumstances were altered to protect the privacy of the individuals involved.


Comments 72 comments

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Ghost Whisper 77 6 years ago from The U.S. Government protects Nazi War Criminals

Tarot cards-ouiji--bring many a demon--attacks--possesion--doesn't matter the intent when opening those doors--the devil is a liar--and enters--homes. She was right about her friend--good that he is gone from her life...

Three woman say this..even more intersting that you don't see or know why...hmmmmmmmmmm. Possibly you 'shine' and you are not aware as yet, but you do!!! ;)


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Mike Lickteig 6 years ago from Lawrence KS USA Author

Ghosty!!!! Thanks for reading before you went to bed. It is always nice to see your comments.

You are correct about my friends, they were not a good combination. He was far too eager to investigate things perhaps better left alone, while she seemed so frightened.

Yes, I've told two of these stories now--I'm not sure I can tell the third tale because of the people involved. They all believed my presence was sufficient to thwart whatever menaced them. I never knew what they saw in me or understood what I did to make things better, but they assured me I did what they needed. Each of these episodes occurred 7 or 8 years apart, and none of the folks involved knew each other. What does it mean? I don't know.

Well, thanks for reading and leaving a comment. Sleep well.

Mike


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hypnodude 6 years ago from Italy

Mike, you write "terribly" well.:) I've read the hub easily and wasn't able to stop until the end. Seemed to me that I was in the house with you. A great example of what being a good writer means. Rated and stumbled. And bookmarked so that when I need a good writing style example I can find it easily. :)


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Mike Lickteig 6 years ago from Lawrence KS USA Author

hypnodude, thanks so "terribly" much for your comments (couldn't resist...). I remember that day like it was yesterday and not almost 30 years ago.

Rating and stumbling are appreciated, as always.

Thanks for reading, my friend.

Mike


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mbwalz 6 years ago from Maine

Wow, that was freaky but very cool. I lived in a haunted apt. in college (man what you'll do to save money for beer!) and it was a bit of a trip. Thanks for sharing that creepy story!


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Mike Lickteig 6 years ago from Lawrence KS USA Author

mbwalz, thanks for reading. You lived in a haunted apartment in college? I stayed in a condemned building for awhile, which was similar but not exactly the same. It would be fascinating to hear what stories you have to tell about this experience.

As you see, I had my own unusual moments. I'm glad you enjoyed reading. Thanks again.

Mike


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Paradise7 6 years ago from Upstate New York

Interesting. I don't think you were all deluded or anything. Very scary, in a lot of ways.


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Mike Lickteig 6 years ago from Lawrence KS USA Author

Paradise7, I appreciate your reading. This was indeed very frightening, and while the night I spent there was ordinary in every way, I still felt a little hesitant to spend the night. My imagination was running wild leading up to that day. And yet, after being there, Donna never felt threatened by this spirit ever again. This whole experience was so strange.

Thanks again, I appreciate your stopping by.

Mike


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Ghost Whisper 77 6 years ago from The U.S. Government protects Nazi War Criminals

Did you pull the sheets and covers up over your head like you did when you were in your parent's house and saw that ghosty outside ? he he he


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Mike Lickteig 6 years ago from Lawrence KS USA Author

Ghosty, trust me on this one--hiding under the covers was certainly a tool in the survival toolbox that night! One odd sound, one creaking floor, you name it and I was hiding from it! If fear and cowardice keeps Mike safe and healthy, I'll give it a try.

Mike


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electra73 6 years ago from Canada

We're all victims of demon possession whether we pull them through tarot cards, Ouija Boards, or otherwise. Even religious people have fallen prey to these evil forces - I myself have had a few hair raising encounter, but I found that the best form of defense against these entities is a house cleansing, lots of sage and a prayer. Even positive thinking does the trick, simply because fear is what fuels them. Great encounter thanks for sharing....


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Mike Lickteig 6 years ago from Lawrence KS USA Author

electra, thanks for your comments. There are many things out there that can take hold and affect us. I've told some stories here and in other hubs. It sounds as though you have had some interesting experiences yourself in the past.

There was not a lot of positive thinking in this house at the time, that was for certain. I seem to recall Donna suggesting a house cleansing at one point, although I don't believe it ever got accomplished--perhaps they didn't know what to do.

Thanks again for commenting, I appreciate your input.

Mike


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BeccaHubbardWoods 6 years ago from Outside your window...

Perhaps you're an angel and don't even know it. ; )


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Mike Lickteig 6 years ago from Lawrence KS USA Author

Becca,

That would certainly be a most shocking and unexpected turn of events!

Thanks as always for reading.

Mike


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shazwellyn 6 years ago from Great Britain

Mike.. I must say that I knew you had 'presence' ever since I first met you. You are a strong fellow who protects.. you are a protector, indeed.

Vulnerable people will be attracted to you because you carry them in times of danger.

Keep up the good work x


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Mike Lickteig 6 years ago from Lawrence KS USA Author

Shaz! Thanks so much for reading. I greatly appreciate your kind words. Your comments and insights mean a lot to me.

Thanks again, you are most gracious.

Mike


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Ghost Whisper 77 6 years ago from The U.S. Government protects Nazi War Criminals

Perhaps you're an angel and don't even know it. ; )

Who'd a thunk it? he he he Maybe a 'shiny' Angel in the making??


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Mike Lickteig 6 years ago from Lawrence KS USA Author

Ghosty, you and Becca have me speechless with your kind words. Thank you.

Mike


rml 6 years ago

It was interesting to note that Donna believed this force stalked her even in a previous life. Her belief in your protection must have been strong to convince her that you could help against something that menaced her through more than one life. A very interesting story.


Just A Voice 6 years ago

I thoroughly enjoyed both this hub and the Realized Master hub.

Both truly freaky circumstances, and what a testament to your good character that even in those freaky circumstances you were there for your friends comfort.


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Mike Lickteig 6 years ago from Lawrence KS USA Author

rml, thanks for reading.

In hindsight, I found Donna's assertion that she had been stalked in a previous life interesting, also. It made the idea that I could affect the situation seem even more incredible, but she believed whole-heartedly. I was glad to help--even if I wasn't sure what I did.

Thanks for reading.

Mike


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Mike Lickteig 6 years ago from Lawrence KS USA Author

Voice, thanks for reading.

You're right, those were both pretty bizarre experiences, and I will confess to a little anxiety to spending the night at my friends' house for the purpose of warding off dangerous spirits.

I thank you for your gracious words about my character--you are so very kind.

Mike


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Mekenzie 6 years ago from Michigan

Mike, so it has been three incidences. hmmm I don't see any coincidence here, though I admit I fail to see the whys, just like you, in these specific circumstances.. I believe that a goodness only God could give is inside of you. I am praying God reveals more of Himself to you. "Keep on asking, and you will receive what you ask for. Keep on seeking, and you will find. Keep on knocking, and the door will be opened to you." Matthew 7:7 Blessing Mike .. you are a GREAT writer!


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Mike Lickteig 6 years ago from Lawrence KS USA Author

Mekenzie, thanks for reading. In three occurences, there was no discernable pattern. The incidents took place approximately 7-8 years apart (each), and the folks involved didn't know each other. If there was anything that revealed why these people believed I could help them, it was never indicated.

And it remained a mystery. I thank you so very much for your thoughts, your insights, and your prayers. I am still seeking answers.

I thank you for your kind words, your thoughts and your prayers. They are greatly appreciated.

Mike


aion kinah 6 years ago

lots of sage and a prayer. Even positive thinking does the trick, simply because fear is what fuels them. Great encounter thanks for sharing


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Locke Reborn 6 years ago from Arlington, Texas

Interesting experience. Sometimes I feel that way myself. It seems that the more "normal" people tend to be more protected/ing. It may be a bit of the strength of will power and our disbelief working together to help "banish" some of the nightmares that stalk people.


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Mike Lickteig 6 years ago from Lawrence KS USA Author

aion kinah, thanks for reading. Positive thinking is definitely in my tool box. I appreciate your comments.

Mike


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Mike Lickteig 6 years ago from Lawrence KS USA Author

Locke, thanks for your comments. Perhaps some of us are protected simply by who and what we are, as you suggest, and can offer that protection to others. I certainly did nothing consciously to improve this situation, but the result seemed positive. I will accept that.

Thanks again, I greatly appreciate your reading my work and commenting. Take care.

Mike


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JannyC 6 years ago

Maybe you just got a hulking guardian angel by your side that scared the ghosties away. Great hub enjoyed this.


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Mike Lickteig 6 years ago from Lawrence KS USA Author

Janny, if I have a hulking guardian angel by my side to scare off the demons, I sure won't complain!!! I'll take whatever help I can get!

Thanks for reading.

Mike


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Ghost Whisper 77 6 years ago from The U.S. Government protects Nazi War Criminals

Nope Janny C because I am a ghosty and I have not flown away from Mike!!! :P

(btw Janny I just commented on Theresa florentus hub-you apparently were put in the corner--so give it up--what did you do? he he he)


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Mike Lickteig 6 years ago from Lawrence KS USA Author

Ghosty! I'll take you by my side to a hulking guardian angel any time! How are you this evening?


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Ghost Whisper 77 6 years ago from The U.S. Government protects Nazi War Criminals

ohhhhhhhh I was just coming back to say I missed you..and there you are!!! Hi!!!!! I am okay...just doing some reading of hubs and came looking for you ;) You were in my thoughts tonight!

Awwwwwwwww your comment of taking me to be by your side instead of a hulking guardian angel...awwwwwwwww (I actually say that in person...Wowzie..yup...I say that too)


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Mike Lickteig 6 years ago from Lawrence KS USA Author

Yup, I'm here. I have another tab open trying to get a picture to download for another hub, and nodded off waiting for it to download. Must be a glitch.

I am buried under a ton of snow here in Kansas! It's the first day of spring and it has been snowing since Friday night.

I was doing some hub reading also. Before I nodded off in my chair, I was going to say hi on one of your hubs. Glad I woke up to say hi!


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pjk_artist 6 years ago from Turkey Point, ON

This is a good example of God and His Universe giving you exactly what you focus on with your wonderful imagination. Good or Bad. In this case "bad".

The "demon in the corner" is a vision representing the result of all of one's negative feelings and emotions. Anger, fear, hate are the biggies obviously. We all have this "demon" (especially Ghost Whisper77 ;o) or "ugly beast" inside us that feeds on our negative emotions. Sometimes it gets out of hand. Each person being different, the demon inside manifests in different ways (sometimes physically, sometimes in our dreams).

The good news is its quite easy to banish and release this demon and convert all that wasted energy into good happy loving bright manifestations in your life.

Imagination and thought being the thing that caused the demons, so thus must it also be that which will banish them. Use God's gift to you and imagine your life the way you wish it to be. Then take bold and fearless action with love and passion in your heart.

See my hubs on Neville Goddard and Mike Dooley for more help.

-Peter


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Mike Lickteig 6 years ago from Lawrence KS USA Author

pjk, thanks for your comments. I took some time before answering your comments because I wanted to consider my words carefully before speaking.

I will begin with your first comments, seemingly the only ones meant for me, anyway. I appreciate what you are saying, but feel I should clarify some points. When you assert that this (my hub) is an example of getting what you focus on, I must assume the "you" is rhetorical and not directed to me personally. Thirty years ago, I was asked to visit a friend who saw something in me that she believed might help her face something unknown and frightening to her. There are several points to be made here. 1.) I was not focused on any of this--I never suspected or felt this force in her home, unless one considers her friend's actions with the Tarot cards to be a direct link. It was not something I brought to my life per se, or had prior knowledge of. 2.) There was no history on Donna's part (that I am aware of) that linked her with unexplained or paranormal activity. Might there have been something that suggests her fears were only imagination, or a manifestation of her imagination? I don't know. Perhaps, but nothing indicated as much.

Am I saying my own life has been ordinary? Certainly not, as anyone who reads my other hubs can attest to. Do I focus on the paranormal and unexplained as a matter of course? No. You also insinuate in your last few paragraphs that if I banish the demons from my life, I can take the energy I have wasted and use it to fashion a happy life, and recommend a web site to visit for help. That sounds great, but I take umbrage to your assertion that I am unhappy, wasting energy or in need of help. Perhaps you did not mean offense and were again speaking rhetorically, but your choice of words minimize your ability to sway me.

I must also take exception to your comments about Ghost Whisper on my site. Why did you come to my page and reference her directly when speaking of "demons" and "ugly beasts inside us"? There was no remark on my page from her in regards to you, and I wonder why you felt the freedom to come here and make a statement that was insulting at worst and, at the very least, condescending? May I ask what you were attempting to accomplish?

I will not comment on your interactions with her here--clearly there are other issues involved, but Ghost Whisper has proven herself to be a sincere, loyal and valued friend. Your actions toward her make one suspicious of your message of good happy manifestions. I am not above an honest exchange of ideas, but should you return to my pages, I will expect you to refrain from comments that are insulting to anyone that reads my work. Out of respect for Ghost Whisper and the original intent of my hub, I intend to delete all but your first comment here--seemingly the only one intended for me, anyway.

You are correct, I do have an interest in metaphysics, and I assume your sole intention in coming here was to invite me to read your own hubs and consider the viewpoints you have touched upon here. I will happily do so, and should I feel they warrant comment, I will address them on your own pages.

May I assume that is a satisfactory resolution for you, and all you wanted?

Thank you for your comments and your time, they are greatly appreciated.

Mike


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pjk_artist 6 years ago from Turkey Point, ON

Mike Lickteig says:

8 hours ago

pjk, thanks for your comments. I took some time before answering your comments because I wanted to consider my words carefully before speaking.

I will begin with your first comments, seemingly the only ones meant for me, anyway. I appreciate what you are saying, but feel I should clarify some points. When you assert that this (my hub) is an example of getting what you focus on, I must assume the "you" is rhetorical and not directed to me personally. Thirty years ago, I was asked to visit a friend who saw something in me that she believed might help her face something unknown and frightening to her. There are several points to be made here. 1.) I was not focused on any of this-- ... That sounds great, but I take umbrage to your assertion that I am unhappy, wasting energy or in need of help. Perhaps you did not mean offense and were again speaking rhetorically, but your choice of words minimize your ability to sway me.

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PJK - I guess it wasn't clear that I was referring to your friend getting what she focuses on.

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Mike Lickteig says:

I must also take exception to your comments about Ghost Whisper on my site. Why did you come to my page and reference her directly when speaking of "demons" and "ugly beasts inside us"? There was no remark on my page from her in regards to you, and I wonder why you felt the freedom to come here and make a statement that was insulting at worst and, at the very least, condescending? May I ask what you were attempting to accomplish?

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PJK- I noticed her making allot of comments and have had past "discussions" with her involving her demonic assaults. So I knew she had this similar "beast inside" like your friend. Its not insulting or condescending. We all have this "beast"

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Mike Lickteig says:

I am not above an honest exchange of ideas, but should you return to my pages, I will expect you to refrain from comments that are insulting to anyone that reads my work.

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PJK - Your "friend" calls me Satan and you ask ME to refrain from insulting comments?!


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Ghost Whisper 77 6 years ago from The U.S. Government protects Nazi War Criminals

Hello Mike--I just had a HUGE epiphany-the 'three' women and your spiritual sword for them? How about the 4th one and this time it is not conjured but real-your spiritual sword is seen-wielded-and now darkness submissive! Interesting really and quite amazing to me. ;) Excellent hub and quite prophetic in many ways!


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Mike Lickteig 6 years ago from Lawrence KS USA Author

pjk, As a courtesy I will read the information in the hubs you have written. If I think it is relevant to do so, I will leave comments in response. This will presumably satisfy your purpose in visiting my page, and we can conclude this discussion on amicable terms. I am of the belief that you and I have no additional business or agendas.

Thank you again for reading.

Mike


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Mike Lickteig 6 years ago from Lawrence KS USA Author

Ghosty! Your vision and thinking is profound. The fourth is not conjured, not an illusion, not a metaphor--but real.

And the darkness truly submits.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

Mike


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Ghost Whisper 77 6 years ago from The U.S. Government protects Nazi War Criminals

I love you Mike! This was an awesome experience to see. WOWZIE! I was not wrong about you!! You 'shine' and it has been completely validated! :) (If you saw through my eyes at this situation--you would be clapping and jumping up and down) UNBELIEVABLE!


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Mike Lickteig 6 years ago from Lawrence KS USA Author

Ghosty, thanks for your kindness and support!! I have my fears and weaknesses, but I am trying to do what is right...

Thanks, thanks and more thanks. :)

Mike


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traderx 6 years ago from Las Vegas

Sounds like a job for Ghostbusters!


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Mike Lickteig 6 years ago from Lawrence KS USA Author

traderx, you said it! After all, when stuff happens... who ya gonna call?

Thanks for reading.

Mike


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pmccray 6 years ago from Utah

I found this hub quite interesting. In my youth I dabbled in witchcraft, what stopped me was a passage in a black arts book;

"When summoning entities you may inadvertantly pull in others awaiting release." This can happen through the use of Ouija boards and tarot cards.

Witchcraft, black magic, voodoo. . . etc can be harmful to the untrained. Her cards and board hopefully, were thrown away, and she was wise to distance her self from Brad and get out of that residence.

I destroyed all my books on the black arts except one and stupidly gave it to a co-worker who used some of the spells and exlirs found in the book.

6 months later she had a horrendous auto accident, which crushed one of her legs, she ended up with quite a settlement from the company that owned the truck that hit her. But at the price of one of her limbs, she has a steel rod from her hip to her foot. I still feel guilty to this day for giving her that book.


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Mike Lickteig 6 years ago from Lawrence KS USA Author

pmccray, thanks for commenting. Your story was an interesting one, and quite chilling, also. I would certainly never recommend practicing witchcraft or voodoo, and it sounds as if your friend perhaps paid a tragic and terrible price. It is easy to believe there is always a price to be paid, and I commend you for giving up this interest before things went too far.

I don't really know what happened to the Tarot cards and the Ouija board my friend used, but I assume they were both disposed of. It is interesting in that they both belonged to him--Donna had no interest in such things, even though she was the one seemingly affected by the force in her home.

Thanks again for reading and offering your own story--it is an important message.

Mike


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Ghost Whisper 77 6 years ago from The U.S. Government protects Nazi War Criminals

Tarot cards-ouiji--bring many a demon--attacks--possesion--doesn't matter the intent when opening those doors--the devil is a liar--and enters--homes. She was right about her friend--good that he is gone from her life...

This was my original comment to you Mike.

Now let me leave you with your recent words below.

"I would understand if you didn't want this gift, because it is DIFFICULT to see the sins of PEOPLE WE LOVE.

but it would help me stay safe from Satan.

Think on this Mike--does this make sense to you what I am saying?


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Mike Lickteig 6 years ago from Lawrence KS USA Author

Ghosty, I believe I understand what you are saying. There is so much of Brad's story untold still, but I do not discount your words. There is much to think upon, and so many questions left unanswered. I cannot ponder the implications of this here in the comment field, but I thik I see where you are leading....

Trust me, I will think much about it.

Mike


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Ghost Whisper 77 6 years ago from The U.S. Government protects Nazi War Criminals

Oh...my apologies..please feel free to delete if you will. Sorry :(


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Mike Lickteig 6 years ago from Lawrence KS USA Author

Ghosty, no need to apologize--I am open to your comments and invite you to offer them here. I am simply too lost in it all to offer a reasoned response. PLEASE feel free to comment, okay???? I value your opinion very much.

Mike


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saddlerider1 6 years ago

I remember vividly what happened to me when I was 18 I decided to take a metaphysical course, play around with the ouiiji board and tarot cards. I got sucked in by evil thoughts, fortunately I escaped and left it alone. Now I know that one can summon the dark side, demons when playing with these items. You must have a very strong aura that demons are afraid of and they scatter when you come. Very interesting hub, thanks for the share. peace


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Mike Lickteig 6 years ago from Lawrence KS USA Author

Saddlerider, thanks for your comments. I was never sure what prompted Donna to seek my help, but it was interesting that a night in the guest room seemingly eliminated the problem forever. There were two other similar occasions in my life, only one of which I have written about.

My friend used both Tarot cards and a Ouija board frequently, and clearly it was more than a game. I am certainly convinced that the dark side can be summoned through the Ouija board.

Thanks again for reading, I have greatly appreciated your insights. Take care, my friend.

Mike


Peter 6 years ago

The usage of tarot cards and ouija bords is bad unless you want to align yourself with the devil, some times using these will give you dark spiritual gifts that are unexplainable but at the price of your soul in small pieces, usualy people who are heavely involved know where they are going and who thir "god" is, it's people who use it for fun or think is not real that come unstuck, however everyone who does this seriously has had it anyway because "hell is horrific" not my words the words of Jesus christ and he doesn't lie, so if the devil has convinced you your gona reign more fool you.


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Mike Lickteig 6 years ago from Lawrence KS USA Author

Peter, I appreciate your stopping by. I wasn't using the Tarot cards, of course--a friend of mine was--so I cannot know what he needed or sought from them. Many people believe a Ouija board will lead to interactions with evil spirits, but fewer people seem to think Tarot cards are inherently evil. Whether using Tarot, I Ching, astrology, numerology, reading palms, or even opening a fortune cookie--man always seeks an insight into what is ahead of him. I don't find that evil, in and of itself. The devil has convinced me of nothing, but thanks for the warning. Take care.

Mike


Peter 6 years ago

No Mike the Devil HAS convinced you that they are not evil, I speak as someone who had a gypsy nan with 12 sisters and 2 brothers on my mothers side, my fathers side are all theologens [ all but one ]

My nan and two of her sisters dabbled when they were teen's and twentie's and could tell a story or two.

They are all long dead now and my sister decided to take up tarot, she read for me once and it said... the colour blue, you will win a court case, stay away from a black haired girl.

Some month's later i smach'ed my blue car into someone who pulled out on me, sued him and won a court case, and dumped my black haired girl friend for no reson what so ever, fucking demons were alowed to interfere with my life and predict thir own out come because we played, this information was later given to us by my mother who new more about our nan's doing's than us.

In short using tarot gives demon's full permision to play with your life for a short while, and ouija bords will get you followed or even possessed for a long time by nothing but evil spirit's and forget people talking about how they know how to use them, it's like shooting a hole in the bottom of a boat, water's gona come in fast, only Jesus can help you, [ you must belive in him though ]

Most true tarot card reader's are very or immensley psychic and this gift comes from the devil for letting demon's into peoples life's to play.

It is against God's will to seek the future in any way and dont forget the Devil has been programing this world for thousand's of years.

I hope the lord will enlighten you in the ways of the devil.

My tarot story seems light hearted alough it wasn't nice to live through, my late nan's ouija stories are another level.

I live in a place called doddinghurst in england, it's a small village with a history of witchcraft over the past 400 years, our family ouija bord was made before america was invented and our bloud line has been here just as long, belive me when i tell you do not get involved with spiritisum of any kind, it is in part this and Jesus that i have come to know exactley how the devil works.

Praise the lord Jesus christ and God bless you all.


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Mike Lickteig 6 years ago from Lawrence KS USA Author

Peter, thanks for coming back. I will not engage in a protracted debate with you, but I do take exception to your insistence that you know anything about me or my beliefs. You assume you know something about my beliefs based upon this article, but you are mistaken. To summarize for you, I wrote an article about a friend who was convinced I could somehow help her face something she feared. While I was there, another friend used Tarot cards—entirely on his own and for his own reasons. For you to imply anything based upon this story is unfounded and patronizing. You know nothing of me and any claim you make about me or my life is without credence. I take umbrage with your assertion that you possess an understanding of me, my actions or motivations—on any level.

If you return to read my response, please refrain from offering comments about either your faith or my alleged lack of faith. As I stated previously, I am not interested in debating dogma with you on any level. Leaving comments on my page is a privilege I extend to you—it is not your right. With this realization, I will expect you to consider carefully any further thoughts you may wish to express here. You are clearly a thoughtful man and I appreciate your beliefs and the comfort they bring you—as long as you do not view them as license to pass judgment upon me. I wish you a pleasant evening, sir.

Mike


Peter 6 years ago

To start with Mike my first post wasn't aimed at you and your response to it was poor.

Never have i questioned your faith but i can tell more from your words than you think, my point [ to everyone ]

is that i know alot about how the Devil works in life, and i know some of what he's got on you from that response.

I will never respond to any of your hubs again and delete my post's please, God bless you.


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Mike Lickteig 6 years ago from Lawrence KS USA Author

Peter, I am truly sorry if you think I responded poorly to your comments. I was fine with your original statements, but was forced to take exception to your assertion that "Satan has convinced me" Tarot cards were not evil. Your most recent remarks only serve to emphasize that you believe you know something about me that you don't. I will leave it at that. Thanks for stopping by.

Mike


Deborah Sexton 6 years ago

Tarot Cards are sacred spiritual symbolism based on the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet and nothing is evil about them. If there was a demon it had nothing to do with Tarot cards


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Mike Lickteig 6 years ago from Lawrence KS USA Author

Deborah, thanks for stopping by and offering your insights. Of course you are correct, and while the use of the Tarot cards was an aspect of this experience, I never intended to suggest a cause and effect relationship. Thank you for your interest and offering your knowledge. Take care.

Mike


Deborah Sexton 6 years ago

Thank you for responding Mike. I know you didn't. Someone in the comments said Tarot cards are a door to demonic possession


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Mike Lickteig 6 years ago from Lawrence KS USA Author

Thanks, Deborah. I appreciate your coming back, and for your voice of reason about the Tarot cards. Take care.

Mike


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IntimatEvolution 6 years ago from Columbia, MO USA

I love the hub, I love the hub, I LOVED this hub! Great work... I'm a new fan.


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mistyhorizon2003 6 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

Excellent Hub Mike, I was riveted to it. I know you were not saying anything negative about Tarot Cards personally, but for those who did I can only say all my experiences of Tarot Cards have been very positive. The Tarot is merely a tool that allows gifted individuals to channel their own natural psychic abilities, and there is nothing demonic about that.

As for Ouija Boards, well I would tend to avoid those as they are well known to attract negative spirits as opposed to sincere ones.

I do believe from your story that you clearly have a purpose here on earth, and that whilst you personally may not be conscious of what you are doing to help these people, your soul is no doubt fully aware of its purpose in being present in these peoples lives when they need you.

There is so much we lack in conscious knowledge, but our subconscious is a different matter.

Again, a wonderful hub, thanks


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Mike Lickteig 6 years ago from Lawrence KS USA Author

IntimatEvolution, thanks for stopping by. I'm glad you found this story from my younger days interesting. These were indeed interesting times. I have written about other bizarre occurrences in my life also, and invite you to read about them sometime. Thank you for your kind words and support for my work. Take care.

Mike


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Mike Lickteig 6 years ago from Lawrence KS USA Author

Mistyhorizon, thanks so much for your comments and insights. I appreciate you and Deborah Sexton offering a voice of reason regarding the Tarot cards. As you suggest, they are a tool.

It is hard to understand what I might have done for the folks that believed I have helped them, but I am content to have offered the assistance they felt they needed from me. If there is a purpose I am here to fulfill, I sincerely hope that I am accomplishing what I am meant to. The subconscious does indeed comprehend much that we don't understand on a conscious level, and I hope that my path remains a good one.

Thank you so much for your thoughtful comments. I am greatly appreciative.

Mike


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Momma Mia 6 years ago from North Carolina

Powerful write here! Thanks for sharing. The dark grey fog in the corner of the room ...I recently witnessed ....as it changed form to a vile wolf of fire...and then went to my daughters room...she and my poodle came out running...Nic had an asthma attack and my daughter begged me to rid my life of this paranormal world. I called a minister and it helped for the next few weeks.......My new relationship (GF) moved in and so far I have had almost no activity( except calm ones) in my home and she I feel was found for me by God. since meeting me she has a great relationship with God and she tells me he now speaks to her ( even about me) She is my angel...as I suspect you are those ladies angel. With an open heart and mind...God will Use you to help others....... BTW I think you make a very handsome angel!

Happy Holidays

Mia


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Mike Lickteig 6 years ago from Lawrence KS USA Author

Mia, thanks for stopping by and sharing your experiences. I found what you described to be fascinating, and there can be little doubt the experiences were terrifying, as well. The influence of your new relationship sounds as if it has been life-changing for you and your family, and I would not hesitate to indeed call her your angel.

Life has been calmer for me as I have grown older, but I've never felt more than a step or two removed from the events of the "old days." Whatever my presence meant to the people who looked to me for help, I am happy to have offered.

Thank you so much for the compliment, Mia... you made my day. Take care.

Mike


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OpticIllusions 5 years ago from United States

Mike, whatever you are or think you are you very protected and walk with God. I do not sense anything deceptive or evil about you, and I encourage you to continue to do the good work you do for others.


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Mike Lickteig 5 years ago from Lawrence KS USA Author

OpticIllusions, thanks for reading. I never knew what I did to help any of these people, but they were so convinced I did that I accept that something happened. I am always trying to do the right thing, and I hope I will continue to do so. Thanks for your wonderful words and encouragement. I am grateful.

Mike


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OpticIllusions 5 years ago from United States

You most likely have a very powerful aura Mike and believe me malicious spirits do not want any part in dealing with that. Take Care

Optic Illusions


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Mike Lickteig 5 years ago from Lawrence KS USA Author

Thank you, OpticIllusions. I appreciate your stopping by and offering your insights. Take care.

Mike

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