And God Said Unto Woman ... You Shall Not Ever Be Equal to Man (updated 10-05-14) [58]

Women Want Equal Rights in Islam

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I realize my title is very contentious and, to many, outrageous; it is meant to be because the treatment of women throughout history, especially by an entity supposedly dedicated to love of all whom He created, has been so abysmal for so many millenia. Further, their condition was not by accident, it was on purpose and perpetrated by those who were entrusted to carry out the Will of God. The slavery of women was, and still is the same degree in some cases, institutionalized by those organizations created to govern the faithful; that would be Jewish faith, Christian faith, and the Muslim faith; all based on the Bible.

The role of women in Western, and really all, society as been as one of slave or slightly better than slave in pre-history to approaching to some semblance of equality with men in Europe, Canada, and America today. Equality in Slavic, even once communistic ones, and Asian countries is still lagging well behind us, although there are some bright spots. Further, equality is poor to almost non-existent in areas ruled by Islam, depending upon the degree of Islamic conservatism.

Most, but not all, of this state of affairs is due to religious practices, especially those based on monotheistic beliefs, i.e., Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Even today, the conservative elements of each of these faiths firmly believe in the subservience of the female to the male; the most extreme example, of course, being the Taliban, but I can easily point to several practices of the Southern Baptists as being discriminatory to women as well.

Why do I, a man, care? I haven't a clue. Maybe it is because I am a Libra who believes in justice and equality. Maybe it is because I was one of those wimps in high school you hear about that have been popularized lately in movies and books getting revenge; I don't know, but, what I do know is that I do care ... a lot. And, since I have recently discovered that I have, at least in my opinion, a talent to express myself in writing, I am going to do so about things I care about; this is one of them.

The format I will use in this Hub will be citations from the King James Version of the Bible with an occasional comment. I choose this version because it is one of the first English translations and is closest to Greek and Hebrew and doesn't contain further interpretations from more modern English translations which move the meaning even further from the original meaning set forth in the original language.

I choose this style because the Bible basically speaks for itself and it speaks for all three offshoots of Abraham. So here we go.

(Boy am I going to catch it for this.)

CORINTHIANS

As testimony to the following, I have visited several churches were women had to come in one door and the men the other or were segregated as to were they could sit.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35: "As in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silence in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says. If there is anything they desire to know, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church."

DEUTERONOMY

What does the following say about the rights of woman or the idea of "traditional" marriage? The purpose of this marriage is clearly not love, nor is it even procreation in the normal since, but pride.

Deuteronomy 22:20-21: If a woman is found not to be a virgin on her wedding night, “she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death.”

Deuteronomy 25:5: "When brothers live together and one of them dies and has no son, the wife of the deceased shall not be married outside the family to a strange man. Her husband's brother shall go in to her and take her to himself as wife and perform the duty of a husband's brother to her."

Deuteronomy 25:6: "And it shall be that the first-born whom she bears shall assume the name of his dead brother, that his name may not be blotted out from Israel."

EPHESIANS

The following are one of the foundations of the "bare-foot and pregnant" characterizations of the woman's role and purpose in life.

Ephesians 5:22: "Wives, be submissive to your husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body and is himself its Savior."

GENESIS

It has always been my belief that the Bible was creation of man, with a little 'm', meaning by a human male. When you read the opening words of Genesis, at least in the King James Version, I can't help feeling like I am being told a third person story about Creation. It starts out, and I certainly don't mean to belittle it the Bible one bit here, like a "Once upon a time" fable by stating "In the beginning God created ,,, ". It was not "In the beginning I created ... and I shall be known as God." or any thing like that. And so it goes until we get to Genesis.

It is in Genesis, of course, where we first encounter the creation of man, then beasts, and finally, because man was lonely, woman.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, ...

In Genesis 2:18 God decides it is not good that man be alone and " ... God said ... I will make him an help meet for him." In Genesis 2:19 God creates the fowl and beasts and gives the name Adam to the man but apparently forgets to make the help meet for Genesis 2:20 ends with " ... ; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him." (this is another indication to me that it is someone other than God writing or dictating the words to the Bible, assuming the KJV is translated properly, and if it isn't, then it throws the whole translation into doubt.)

Finally, in:

Genesis 2:21 - 23 - did God create woman. Nor was the creation of woman on par with the creation with man. In other words, woman wasn't created independently of man, woman was created from man, to wit:

Genesis 2:23 - "And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man."

Note that this is a statement from Adam, the man, not God, and he used the term Man, with a capital 'M', and Adam is the one who has named the female 'Woman', not because she is an individual in her own right but because she is a subset of himself; because she is was "taken out of Man.". In other words, while Man is created in the Image of God, Woman is created in the Image of Man and is at best created in the Image of God, once removed ... at least according to the Bible.

So, at this early stage in the Bible, one that the Christians and Muslims chose not to change when they invented themselves, the role of women has been set in concrete.

Next is when God metes out his punishments to Adam, Eve, and the Serpent for having partaken of the forbidden apple, or in the serpent's case, talking Eve into it. There is no question that all of the punishment were extremely harsh, but only one, in human terms, left one in servitude, the one given to Eve.

Genesis 3:16 "Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."

And rule over her ever since he has. (As a parenthetical comment, I find it interesting the lack of esteem God, or the writers of the Bible would have you believe God apparently holds children in or if not the children themselves, the joy of childbirth.)

This next section highlights not only the Bibles thoughts on the role of women in society, but that of slavery and the sanctity of marriage; a very current topic today. To my knownledge, neither the Jews, Christians, nor Muslims have distanced themselves from this set of Biblical versus, nor have I ever heard that they meant anything other than what the words actually say.

The short story is we have Sarai, wife, presumably through marriage, of Abram, lamenting that God has left her barren. She wishes that Abram take Hagar, her slave, Sarai's handmaid, on as his wife in order to have, what today would be called surrogate, children. Abram does, Hagar conceives and Sarai gets jealous. Abram tells Sarai to do with Hagar as she, Sarai, pleases at which time Hagar runs away only to be told by an angel of God to go back to Sarai and submit to her owner, which Hagar does. The applicable versus' are:

Genesis 16:3 - "And Sarai Abram's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her husband Abram to be his wife."

Genesis 16:4 - "And he went in unto Hagar, and she conceived: and when she saw that she had conceived, her mistress was despised in her eyes."

Genesis 16:6 - "But Abram said unto Sarai, Behold, thy maid is in thy hand; do to her as it pleaseth thee. And when Sarai dealt hardly with her, she fled from her face."

Genesis 16:9 - "And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands."

In these few verses' the Bible presumably has God sanctifying bigamy, even though it was at the behest of the first wife and not the husband; slavery;and the use of another human being as a possibly unwilling carryer of another man's child.

Genesis 19:8 "Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, pray to you, bring them out unto you, and you do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only to these men do nothing ..."

The man doing the offering of the two virgin daughters is Lot, one of the Good men in Sodom, the men he was offering his virgin daughters to were the wicked men of Sodom and the the men he was trying to protect were angles from God. Enough said. (Instead of the transaction going through, the angels blinded the men of Sodom and eventually wiped out ALL of the men, women, and children (who were presumably as wicked as the men) of Sodom and Gomorrah as well as turning Lot's wife to salt for looking back to Sodom.

Then we have another curious use of females to ensure that the seed of a male lineage does not end; in what today is on of the most sinful acts imaginable but in the Bible is not even commented on ... Incest, twice.

In Genesis 19:30 - 38 is the story of Lot, the same man who offered up the same two daughters to be ravaged by the mob in Sodom, being made drunk by his two daughters so that one and then the other could become pregnant by him. So we have:

Genesis 19:33 - "And they made their father drink wine that night; and the firstborn went in, lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay with down, nor when she arose."

Genesis 19:33 - "And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and thou go in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father."

And the younger sister did as well. Thus was born the tribe of Moabites and Ammonites. Please notice how this was the idea of the females, not of the male and that the father, Lot, was absolved of all blame of this horrendous crime, if it was a crime at all in the eyes of God; there is certainly no way to be sure. In fact, it seems God looked kindly on the children of Lot later on.

If you are to believe Genesis 38, God sees marriage as a vehicle to produce children and women to be the oven; its all for the children in order to increase the population of, in this case, Jews. In Genesis 38, Judah sees Shuah, a Canaanite, takes her for a wife and has sex; its that blunt. From various intercourses over a period of years come sons Er, Onan, and Shelah. Then Er comes of age and enter Tamar, regardless of her opinion (or Er's apparently):

Genesis 38:6 - "And Judah took a wife for Er his firstborn, whose name was Tamar."

The next verse shows the hard side of God and that He can Kill arbitrarily as He did with Er.

Genesis 38:7 - "And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him"

Not to be denied a grandson, Judah ordered Onan to marry Tamar, apparently without Tamar's consent, and have sex with her.

Genesis 38:8 - "And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother."

Well, Onan had a conscience. He knew this was morally wrong, or so he thought, so he planned not to have a child by Tamar.

Genesis 38:9 - 10 - "And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also."

Poor Onan, and it is certainly hard to understand God's actions. The story now has has Judah promising Tamar to let her marry Shelah, when he becomes of age ... if he makes it that far. He then reneged on that promise so Tamar puts on a veil which, surprisingly enough, at least for Jews, but apparently not Christians, is a sign that the women behind it is a harlot and goes out to snooker Judah into sleeping with her; which Judah, now a john, I guess, does. This all takes place in Genesis 38:12 - 23. Then it all unravels for in

Genesis 38:24 - "And it came to pass about three months after, that it was told Judah, saying, Tamar thy daughter in law hath played the harlot; and also, behold, she is with child by whoredom. And Judah said, Bring her forth, and let her be burnt."

Double standard, is it not? But Tamar was smart, when she slept with Judah the first time (it seems the affair possibly carried on), Tamar collected up a few keepsakes from Judah; so in,

Genesis 38:25 - "When she was brought forth, she sent to her father in law, saying, By the man, whose these are, am I with child: and she said, Discern, I pray thee, whose are these, the signet, and bracelets, and staff."

Jonah was caught by his own petard, so he said,

Genesis 38:26 - "And Judah acknowledged them, and said, She hath been more righteous than I; because that I gave her not to Shelah my son. And he knew her again no more."

And then she had his twins. I presume the maternal instinct overcame Tamar's good senses for her to conceive the plan to have Jonah's off-spring, but there you go. She took the chance of being burnt, although she certain took great precautions, at the stake without the pleasure of having her paramore burn with her.

TIMOTHY

Like a child, the Bible suggest a woman should be seen, not heard; nor should then pass on their knowledge.

1 Timothy 2:10-13: “Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve.”

LEVITICUS

And what about biblical injunctions on husbands and wives engaging in sexual intercourse during a woman's period?

Leviticus 20:10: “If a man commits adultery with another man's wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.”

Leviticus 20:18: "If a man lies with a woman during her menstrual period and uncovers her nakedness, he has made naked her fountain, and she has uncovered the fountain of her blood. Both of them shall be cut off from among their people."

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Comments 22 comments

Charles Hilton 5 years ago

You care because you are a humanitarian and you aren't taken-in by irrational dogma, so, there's no need to explain yourself. Those who would enslave and marginalize half the human race are the ones with explaining to do.

As for the King James Bible, even though it is older than more recent translations, it is full of errors. The more modern translations are actually an improvement on the KJV, in spite of their not being as old. And that's because of the more rigorous scholarship and newer discoveries since the year 1611. Of course, you can't tell that to any member of the King James Cult, as I like to call them.

I might add that Native American cultures were generally more egalitarian towards their women than were the "advanced" and "civilized" whites who nearly exterminated them. And WE called THEM the "savages."

Great post!


mib56789 5 years ago

Hello My Esoteric!

FIRST: Your HUB title is not contentious. As a HUB writer I know that most often if the title doesn’t grab the reader’s attention they probably won’t read the HUB.

SECOND: By “the Bible”, I assume you mean Old and New Testament scriptures. When something is based on something that means the “basis” is the foundation. Islam is not based on the Bible. Islam is based on the Koran. The Jewish faith is based on the Old Testament (one part of the Bible) and Christianity is based on THE BIBLE (Old and New Testaments).

THIRD: Inequality is not scriptural, i.e. non-biblical, not based on the Bible. Male/female. Black/White. Jew/Gentile. Slave/Free. God has no respect of persons. Everybody gets treated equally. The laws of God were never set up to institutionalize and systematize inequality. Just because humans have chosen to arrange institutions and systems and misapply scriptures to accommodate these inequalities doesn’t mean it was God’s idea.


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My Esoteric 5 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

Careful Charles, didn't I hear there is some House Un-American Humanitarian Activities sub-committee or something being organized? LOL. Thanks for the comment. I didn't know that about the KJV. I have access to other versions so I will look at those and compare while I am at it.

I was aware about the egalitarian nature of our Native Americans although that only goes so far, but, it went far enough to make your comment about "savages" so very true.


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My Esoteric 5 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

Hello Mib, fancy meeting you here :-). I thought about how I was going to present the "Bible" and left it as I did for these reasons. All three monotheistic religions are born from Abraham and all three acknowledge him as the "Father" if you will, not God, of course, but the first identifiable human father from which all of the tribes came from. All three, to one degree or another agree that the Old Testament is more or less the word of God. The Jews and Muslim on the more side, the Christians on the less side because they chose to change the mind of God in some instances from what was said in the Old Testament to what they claim He now says is true in the New Testament.

All three religions accept Jesus as a prophet while the Christians, via Peter, also believe Jesus is also God, although it is not clear Jesus actually believed this.

The Qur'an is the word of God passed on to Muhammed from the angel Jibril (Gabriel). It really ought to be included in this hub but unfortunately is something I do not, as of yet, know anything about. I will need to correct this unfortunate state of affairs. As I said, the Muslims do recognize the Old Testament and, which I just found out, apparently the New Testament as well. I did already know they accepted Jesus as a prophet.

Consequently, to avoid all of these permutations, I thought it best to roll all of that up in one term, the Bible and by the time I am done, refer to chapters from both the Old and the New.

Not "scriptural"? We may have a semantics issue here. I am not sure how I can read Gen 3:16 and not see inequality written all over it. Now, if you are saying that the Bible, at least the KJV, isn't scripture, then I will buy that for I agree, my view of God, and this is one reason I left Christianity, is that God is not biased toward anything, period.

But, no matter where you turn, any reading of anything monotheistic, not just Christian, is biased as all get out, both orally and in writing; it is ubiquitous.

This brings to mind something I haven't thought about for a very long time. In 1985, I visited Washington D.C. for the very first time with a workmate; we had been on the road for a a couple of weeks delivering briefings to various military entities. She had missed Mass a few times so I accompanied her to church. I kneeled and sat back up at the appropriate times and otherwise behaved myself only to have my jaw hit the floor when I heard a lay priest or somebody get up to this huge, beautiful pulpit and, for some reason I don't remember, lambast the Jews! I couldn't believe my ears as I turned to look at my friend; she was a bit embarassed to say the least, lol.


mib56789 5 years ago

Hi My Esoteric! You see inequality in Gen 3:16 it's because you don't have the mind of God. None of us do. His thoughts are way above ours. There's a scripture for that too. Let me just say this cause I respect you to the max! If you're gonna respond back to a reader with an answer of more than 400 words - MAKE IT A HUB!!! Your response is detailed and rich with thought. It should have a been a HUB. That way it's a link can be shared and you can make money, not just a free comment. Not that I don't appreciate and respect your comments. But ain't none of us writing HUBs for free!


Charles Hilton 5 years ago

LOL...My Esoteric! I really should weigh my comments carefully and omit any incriminating humanitarian sentiments if I don't want my phone wire-tapped and my e-mail plundered.


Charles Hilton 5 years ago

@mib56789...

So, you're saying that unless we read the opposite of what the words actually say, we don't have the "mind of God"?

It's not just Gen. 3:16 at issue here, but, blaming the fall of humanity on Eve, period, which is patently sexist, especially considering that Adam was right at her side while she struggled with the serpent and he did nothing to assist her. And when she offered him the forbidden fruit, he didn't hesitate to take it without so much as a "huh?"

At least Eve tried to resist, which is more than can be said of Adam. He went into sin with his eyes wide open. Therefore, I think his punishment should have been harsher and men should have been made subject to women, since the progenitor of all males neglected his duty to protect his mate.

All that being said, I think monotheism has evolved backwards, to where they now worship their respective religions and books instead of the God who allegedly inspired them. And in that sense, they commit idolatry.


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My Esoteric 5 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

Good advice Mib 56789, maybe that is why I haven't received my first check from ... anybody yet, lol. Not one person as even clicked an Amazon book, let alone ordered one, lol.

I am getting closer to expressing my views on God, but if you want a preview, you might Google Baruch Spinoza, who you might know of already.


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My Esoteric 5 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

Charles, that is an interesting take, their books being their idols, I had not ever considered that; it is pondering time. Thanks for the insight.


Charles Hilton 5 years ago

My Esoteric, I'm a former Independent Fundamentalist Baptist, so I'm not just being facetious when I make such analogies. LOL


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My Esoteric 5 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

Charles, I have a couple of friends who were of the street singing, "we will covert everyone to the way" evangelical types who went the 180 degree atheist route after not being able to reconcile the Biblcal descrepcies. My business partner, while still believing in God, is left so cold against the church after the way she was treated (basically like trash) when she divorced her abusive husband, both were friends with and of the same evangelical persuasion as my other friends (actually, they were her friends who became mine).


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CMerritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

Hi My Esoteric!... It has been a while. I thought I would drop my 2 cents in, for what it is worth.

Frist of all, I am NOT a biblical scholar, nor do I even try to be. I do hold the Bible, dear to my heart. I have found it to be extremely fascninating. My faith leads me to accept it as the word of God.

I also believe that God, from the very beginning, has had a plan that includes both Man and Woman, both ARE equal, in prevalence to fill the equation that....Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh....the book of proverbs goes into great detail on the importance of a wife and a husband, on how they work as a team, and build a family.

with all of that said, I DO agree that many of man since the beginning of time, has completely disregarded what God intended and made up his own rules to play by.


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cooldad 5 years ago from Florida

Great hub, I enjoyed that. I went to a Southern Baptist college in Georgia in the late 90's and equality for women wasn't exactly a priority in that area. Breed, cook and clean was the woman's purpose and the men used their bibles to support it.

You know, people who believe in the bible, must surely believe in inbreeding. I witness a lot of inbreeding in that same college town.


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My Esoteric 5 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

Your 2 cents is worth a lot, CMerritt, good to see you again. I suspect you are more of a scholar on the Bible than I am as well. God's plan may be very well as you say, but my suggestion is that you can't tell it from the Bible. Just from the little bit I have presented so far, it would seem God's plan is just the opposite, as it pertains to women, which would lead me to believe that 1) the Bible is a creation of man, for man's purposes, and 2) one needs to look elsewhere to devine what God has in mind because, I agree with you and Mib56789, God is not biased toward one sex or the other.

It was just this kind of conflict that drove those friends of mine I spoke of earlier to atheism from, what I gather, was a devoutness second-to-none. Now, as these things often go, they went to the other extreme rather than finding a more spiritual middle ground, but that, of course, is their choice using the reason God, both yours and mine, gave them.


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My Esoteric 5 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

Thank you Cooldad, good to see you back as well. Is there a pun is there is the word "lot"?, lol.


mib56789 5 years ago

@ Charles Hilton via My Esoteric:

Wish I could stay longer but I’m backed up with my work.

Just wanted to say:

RE: The fall of humanity wasn’t blamed on Eve. (It’s in the Bible.)

RE: Monotheism has evolving backwards?

God never withheld Himself, His love or His wisdom; because at one time WE (mankind) ALL KNEW THE ONE TRUE GOD. We turned away from God. If you want to call that “evolving backwards”? OK.

Yet and still He’s the same God TODAY that spoke to Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. God didn’t screw up the world we live in. We did it to ourselves. God has provided a way for us to redeem ourselves. We can take it or leave it.

There’s scripture for everything I say. I’m not making any of this stuff up. It all comes from God’s word: THE BIBLE.

Have a blessed day my brothers. You are beautiful people!


Charles Hilton 5 years ago

And you are a beautiful person, as well, mib56789. Have a gorgeous day! :-)


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CMHypno 4 years ago from Other Side of the Sun

The trouble with the bible is that is has been written and then rewritten by a series of men, each with their own axe to grind about women. St Augustine was probably one of the biggest misogynists to put the boot in because he was feeling guilty about his own promiscuous past. But then these type of men never take responsibility for their own natural urges - starting with Adam, as Eve made him do it lol!

Thanks as a male for writing about the inequality of women, but surely it is a better world for men to live in as well when women are respected as the equals they are?


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My Esoteric 4 years ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

Thanks for stopping by CMHypno, and leaving your comment, but you know, there is something to be said for being waited on hand and foot, you know. ... just kidding about that last part.


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fpherj48 16 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

I will say that this is extremely well-written by an obviously very talented writer. (I am more than ecstatic that this writer is also, sane, intelligent and rational to know these verses are all very sad....very ludicrous & totally sickening)

Other than my comment above, I would just like to say to anyone who suggests I READ THE BIBLE......I'm really sorry, but I prefer to read books that do not cause me to puke every other sentence.

I was feeling so happy and peaceful before reading this porn. I am literally ~~physically, emotionally and spiritually SICKENED.

Warning: To any nut case out there who thinks they should tell me: 1.) It's out of context. 2.) This is not what it seems. 3.) This is NOT what God meant. 4.) God was misunderstood. 5.) There's a divine plan and sacred REASON for God commanding these things......or any sort of utter GARBAGE.....I have three words for you. DON'T DO IT.


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My Esoteric 16 months ago from Keystone Heights, FL Author

So tell me what you really think, fpberj48, lol. And thank you for such very flattering comments although I am not sure how much I deserve them.


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fpherj48 16 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

Accept the compliments you are given by your readers, which we obviously feel you deserve.....and keep on writing. Yes, I'm very BOSSY.

Raising 4 Healthy, Active, talented, brilliant & STUBBORN male Athletes on my own, left me no choice. Otherwise, as thousands of years worth of results tell us...I'd have been used, abused, ignored & walked all over, allowing the little "grublings" to be FAR less than the stellar men, husbands, fathers and productive citizens they are.

My job is DONE.....and I couldn't be happier or more relieved!...:)

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