Answer to Chasuk's "Zealotry Kills" by Merwin
"My close friend is not stupid"
Please read Hub listed above in order to understand my answer to it, it is actually a very good read. It was composed by my good friend, who is waaaaaaay smarter than a cold bowl of gravy. (haahahaa sorry Chas, I couldn't resist)
If anyone has a better method for linking Hubs... I am all eyes.
Okay... I sniped at Chasuk with a comment at the end of his Hub and believe me that is simply scratching the surface but it perfectly illustrates something that Chasuk has done in his current Hub, and to a greater extent in our other exchanges.
I shall show below, my comment that I made, but here I will embolden the part that I hope is illustrative. Here is my comment...
Very well put my friend... Yes it is I Chasuk's close friend who isn't stupid, (Thanks Chasuk, shucks, you're just being kind).
Isn't Chasuk unique?
Little wonder that he is as zealous for his own well rounded, level headed, broad minded, tolerant... ("...problem is the EXISTENCE of the true believer."), prophetically (truth speaking) secular perspective, as every other zealot is for theirs.
Well, what is it that sets him apart from all the other zealots he condemns well, darn it, it is after all his statistics that he compiled from a lot of reputable sources. It is, after all, the fact that no one else is saying the things that he is saying, and saying them sooooo eloquently I might add. It is this and much more that sets him apart from the atheistic sheeple that are mere rabble rousers, while he is a true visionary.
He has an awful lot for him to be zealous about... and he doesn't have to concern himself with minor details like... I dunno the inflammatory rhetoric like, "...problem is the EXISTENCE of the true believer." If that is thought of by some as inciting atheistic militancy and subsequently considered zealotry in any sense... well it must be forgiven (oooh wait, a faith term perhaps?), it must be over looked, for that was not his intention and we the believing sheeple simply took it the wrong way.
Q...Why is it that faith is considered the maniacal zealotry that needs to be eradicated (by the way smallpox is back from what I read)and not zealotry in general? A... Because it is never the brand of zealotry that "I" employ that is the problem it is always the "other guy".
Zealotry (any variety) and hatred, is being fed and nurtured by the same power brokers... death is what they want and they don't care who's death.
I love you my friend... but I am somewhat put out, you have commandeered a good portion of my day with this one for it cannot go unanswered.
I just need to get my "not stupid" brain to figure out how to link this Hub into mine while I am writing it.
end of comment.
Now the reason I emboldened the above is to showcase "a technique" that Chasuk has implemented to make a point for his Hub, and I did something similar in my comment. I built a rebuttal out of a partial sentence focusing on the tiny, and thereby reducing the preponderance, his overall message to the person reading my comment to that one phrase. Unfair right? Somewhat understandable in both applications his, and mine, but still unfair and inappropriate.
I took one part of a sentence out of many hundreds of sentences and focused on that, and like my misuse... his was understandable too.
His statement was blaring, a self-contradiction, hypocritical, and probably not his best choice for a phrase to make his point (or maybe it was?). I obliquely referenced a slightly larger portion of his context (to show balance), while I hacked away at his poor choice.
Here is my point... yes I did say...
"In the last one hundred years alone... in the extreme measurement of a single lifetime, there has been more genocide, more mass murdering of millions, more lives lost through two world wars, pestilence (more were killed by influenza following WWI than died in the war). More through countless conflicts, famine, floods (tsunamis and others), and earthquakes, than all the other thousands of years... multiplied five times over." (present emboldening mine)
And I did refer to Matt 24, I referenced this chapter in a couple of couple of my Hubs but not in the one he quoted. The one with the quoted "...multiplied five times over." is in this Hub...
...but I did not refer to specific chapter and verse, and I find it odd that he did not provide a link or at least the title of my Hub.
Yet these are minor issues.
One of the greater contentions is his tendency to lump motives, agendas, bigotry, of believers into the same grab bag of character assassination. He evidently thinks he has succeeded in labeling everyone who studies end times an Alex Jones adherent. He uses Coca Cola and Coke as an example that for me is erroneous. Alex Jones is more like Sam's Choice of Cola when it comes to conspiracy and eschatology and now Chasuk would like to rename Coke and Pepsi as Sam's Choice. Alex Jones (johnny come lately) might be popular enough with Chasuk for him to think that, but I disagree. I myself have been exposed to Alex's product four times, and found his website beyond my limited abilities to navigate.
This, admittedly does not matter to Chasuk. I guess he figures that if your not part of the Chasuk solution... then your are part of the Chasuk "dangerous" problem.
Chasuk readily points out...
"Why is It So Freaking Dangerous?!?
It's dangerous because a problem exists -- a serious problem -- and its misidentification magnifies that problem, making it more dangerous.
The misidentification of the problem may be the largest and most dangerous part of the problem as a whole.
That problem is the existence of the True Believer."
"That problem is the existence of the True Believer."
Let that sink in for a moment...
okay moment over. What are you advocating here Chasuk? What problematic hate talk are you suggesting with this rhetoric?
Please read my Hub...
This Hub titled "Bugs" is typical of my philosophies regarding tolerance. Nowhere in the body of my works that Chasuk has been exposed to (or anywhere else for that matter), can you find me suggesting that the hatred and violence is...
PECULIAR to any group or section of mankind.
On the contrary, I have repeatedly stated and will continue to state that the failing is common, and across the board.
Chasuk evidently says no, "true believers are the problem." the zealots... the other guy zealot, not the me zealot... isn't it is always the other guy, that has the problem.
Okay, Chasuk I am a zealot... I am a zealot in favor of God. I am zealous about pointing to what I understand to be the truth even if that is uncomfortable, please read...
These are samples of my work that further showcase the truth that I search for and that clearly states that Christians are knuckleheads... just like everybody else.
Now to move on... Chasuk's, "Zealotry Kills" accomplishes a lot of my works for me... thanks Chasuk.
Allow me to point them out...
(In Zealotry Kills Chasuk claims a conservative estimate vs. liberal estimate that favors the believer, thank you I accept your generosity)
Chasuk: "As undeniably large as the number 450 million is, it isn't five times
larger than 180 million. It is exactly 2.5 times larger." (Chasuk pointing out my exaggeration, mine was 5 X's)
Then there are the "Omissions"..? Please, you list some of the omissions that favor you, and neglect to mention any, of the many omissions that do not, ref. the countless pseudo-political blood baths that have go on globally in the last fifty years.
Okay... so lets go with your generosity 2.5 times larger... AND, you happen to mention the population explosion of the last 200 years in your "The Density of the Problem" paragraphs, but more on that in a moment.
2.5 times larger..? Lets see... all of recorded history (sans omissions & the last hundred years) vs. the last hundred years... hmmmmn.
ALL OF HISTORY vs. The last hundred years?
Really..? Am I the only one getting this?
Then there are the rebuttals... * 'BUT... Look at the difference in the population. It is like shooting a scatter gun into one hundred sticks pounded into the ground as opposed to a thousand sticks pounded into the ground with a thousand your simply just gonna take out more sticks!' (I use apostrophes to indicate a supposed quote)
Okay I will buy that logic, but that is not at all what is being argued.
And the other rebuttal is 'Well the ability to record earthquakes and then report them is fifty thousand gazillion times better than what it used to be!' (what do you suppose the odds are that Chasuk focuses on that exaggeration too?)
You got me Chasuk, GRANTED dude... you da man! Again though, that is not what was being argued. And now your probably saying "Argued??? Argued where? What are you talking about... where?"
Well Chasuk, my friend you brought up in this (sort of) exchange... Matt 24.
'Well then that is what is being argued! Isn't it?'
I did not reference Matthew when I wrote the quoted paragraph, and when you look at the context for why I wrote that paragraph that was not my point. My point that you do not even touch on in your zealous work "Zealotry Kills" is that all mankind is murderous.
Another departure, would be that Matthew 24 never states there that "there will be" MORE WARS RUMORS OF WARS FLOODS FAMINE AND EARTHQUAKES. Jesus said...
And you will hear of wars and
rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all [these
things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places.
Mat 24:8 All these [are] the beginning of sorrows.
"And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars." And you will HEAR of wars and rumors of wars, and Jesus goes on to list all the things the people of that day will "hear" of, "famines, pestilences, and earthquakes".
Can anyone think of a better time in history when one may "hear" of things happening around the world? Maybe in the future? Which of course is not yet history, or, am I speaking exaggerations again?
Now to the population explosion... Chasuk adeptly points out the horrendous spike in population especially in the last 50 years...
"When I was born, there were approximately 3 billion people in the world. Today, there are approximately 6.8 billion. In 1804, there were 1 billion people."
Now let me get this straight... an increase from 1, to 3 billion in 150 years and then that more than doubles in 50, and very likely double again within twenty years?
Global energy reserves are past their peak?
And NOW, anybody would try to convince me that a murderous specie like Mankind would not do the math and determine that it would be much better to kill off 95 out of 100 people in the lifeboat? Especially when they are multiplying exponentially and the resources are nearly gone????
Are you really that naive Chasuk?"
The title of the Hub I wrote that included what Chasuk quoted, was... "The Supposed Ewey Gooey... Warm and Fuzzy Benevolence of Atheism." and was written to contend with the Atheist's claim that "...religion is responsible for so much murder!"
I never once said that it wasn't... as Chasuk mentioned so very kindly, "My close friend is not stupid". Of course religions are responsible for murder just as much as non religions are. Why? because either side, both sides, all sides, are populated with murderous mankind.
I will say though, if anyone... ANYONE, claims that this murderous juggernaut can be turned around they are either lying to themselves or they ARE stupid.
And in so much of what I write about I am simply saying that at this point in history like no other, it lines up with all the descriptions and touchstones and earmarks and benchmarks and PREPONDERANCE of evidences pointing to these, being our final seconds before the coming holocaust.
I am CoauthorU along with my lovely bride of 27 years and any guest writers that happen by, you may know my Hubs through the "by line" by Merwin.
Please read my material, rather than read what Chasuk is saying, that I am saying.