Answer to an Atheist

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In response to Atheists specifically who do not understand why we Christians continue to believe in what you feel is just a Myth...

First, make no mistake I do feel that you are entitled to your beliefs...(Actually I even believe that the Bible defends your right to Atheistic beliefs to some degree... )

And you are able to believe what you prefer to believe and I accept that you have that right...

What I do NOT accept however is the abuse of your rights towards other people of different beliefs... regardless of what those beliefs may be.

Some of you have said some things in your posts however that make some sense... I have written this blog in order to address those things specifically.

You have pointed at Christians who are "putting their God before their families" and that blows you away... You cant understand that... (this is what some of you have said)

This is a sort of a tricky area... Lets look at it.

Given the right circumstances Christians do seem to come out better for our faith in the long run... But only if that faith is properly applied. (if not properly applied then it is not to be rewarded... untill changes are made. Simple Parent Child discipline issues are involved)

For example: Provided that their faith is not based in Pastor worship or in some fouled up theology that is not biblical.. God will usually reward acts of faith in him... But God does not reward things that contradict his Word or are not in good faith.

There are some people... and they seem to be the loudest ones you will ever meet... Hypocrits... whos homes are a mess... their testimony as a Christian not worth its weight in dirt... who usually bring down their own families etc...

These people are convenient for you to look at I am sure... They are an easy target... Because they will give you (The observer) the wrong impression of Both God, and the people who follow him... It makes it very easy for you to discount anything that the rest of us might try to tell you.

These people, and I have known quite a few of them in the past, usually exibit the same type traits:

  • New to a Church... (they change Churches fairly often)
  • Sound Really Religious
  • Do not follow the bibles example for certain things... especially things that go against their normal nature... They follow the bible when it suits them.. lets put it that way.
  • Change churches until they find one that tolerates them and does not encourage them to get their lives straightened out..
  • Usually their story ends in disaster.. lots of family problems (DSHS probably gets called in frequently) and they usually end in a divorce.
  • Counseling with Pastors and marriage counselors is a mute point... they rarely show up... and when one does show up, it is never as a couple... Only the "Victim" comes to the meeting so they can make their case against their other half...
  • Advice that is given regarding Family and Child raising... gets followed only to the point that it suits them.. they hear only what they want to hear and then do what they planned on doing anyway...
  • When disaster happens: the Church and Pastor are the first ones to catch the blame. Especially if DSHS and child abuse is involved... think about it... are they going to tell the truth and take the blame for what they have done??? No... they look for someone to to point a finger at and shift the blame onto.

Lets look at it a different way:

If a person goes to colleges... But Parties all the time and skips classes, gets kicked out of school or leaves just before being booted from each one; until he finally finds one college that will just pass him through the grades without much effort... lets say that person then somehow gets a degree and then calls himself a Doctor...

If you were a fellow Doctor would you want that person working in the same Hospital as you?

I am truly sorry that many of the so called Christians you meet today are in so sad a shape that other Christians do not want to claim them either.

But it would be your mistake to in turn label all Christians with that same type of label.

It would be like saying that "all Doctors are Quacks... and they are only interested in money and do not care about their patients."

That statement might hold true for one here or there who somehow manages to slip through un-noticed, but it would be very offensive to the rest of the Doctors who have devoted their lives in the service of mankind... you would even lumping all of those bad ones in with those Doctors (Many of whom are Christians) that spend time each year on the mission fields working in free clinics in third world countries... Treating people who cant afford it.

More to the point...

To you, my God is a myth... To me God is my friend.. and not just some "Imaginary Friend" but a friend I have known and "Hung Out with" for over 30 years...

In that time there have been allot of Bad times... Be sure of that... Like when I was in sin... and God acted like a good parent and made sure that my sin was punished.

If you looked at me in that time, you would have seen my failed existence and say "Man look at that Christian... what a slob... what a poor excuse for a human being... he's a Drunk... just a stinking loser... " .... and you would be right to think all of that. It would have been just a truthful assessment of my situation in that time. Other Christians would have looked at me and said "man if you think your a Christian.. you are out of your mind..."

But what you do not understand... is that those people you are looking at.. some of them are just like I was 15-20 years ago... I look at them... but I see them like they were me.

Like they were that same me... Before the Changes... Before God disciplined me and finally got through to me...

Then several years later. having Repented from the Sins that were destroying my life.. ruining both me and my relationship with God... Having turned away from those things that had caused my downfall... and Having turned back to God, I then recieved Forgivness and he restored me. He Gave me Health again and returned my upside down life, back to what it should have been all along...

There were the hard times...and some good times too... Times when I have needed help... times I almost died... times when I needed guidance... times when I needed help with situations... Times I needed to talk and hear the truth.. times I just needed someone to listen... etc etc etc.

What you do not understand is that "Our mythological friend" (as you atheists like to call him) has already been far more real to me, than you are.

Think about it... there you are, on the other end of this internet connection.. how do I know if you really exist and are reading this? The only way for me to know for sure... is if you respond.

And even then that only tells me that someone is there... it does not confirm what you are or who you are... You could be anyone... I have never met you.. talked with you.. walked with you or received advice from you that worked out and restored my life...

Likewise I know that God exists... by his responses. Years and years of them.

We have established a trust relationship with this Invisible God and we do receive guidance and support... help in times of need.

But there are some rules attached to this relationship... Like any other relationship, it is based upon mutual trust... and understanding what the other person expects of you.

I do not expect you to understand it all really... But if you understand that we have allready spent years testing this relationship.. then you will be at least closer to understanding why we are who we are. And why we believe what we believe.

Oh.. and then of course there are maturity levels:

Immature:

  • some Christians might be very immature even after 75 years of following the Lord... Mostly Because they have not had a very good relationship...
  • I see that this happens with people who are always fearful and are unwilling to trust God.
  • People who are prideful and who want to do their own thing all the time and do not care to listen to advice... that type person will not usually have a very good relation with God.
  • Since they won't listen anyway.. God is quiet... and lets them do it their own way... and watches it fail... waiting for the times when the turn to him so that he can in turn help them.

Maturity:

  • Then another person may grow very strong in the Lord in a very short period of time.. Usually because when they first Believe, the start off the relationship by just trusting Him and doing what they know is right... They study their bibles and learn more about God... the relationship that starts off on a better set of conditions usually progresses allot better with allot better results over time.

People are people... and you cant put them all in the same box.

Christians are people too.. and you can't with any honesty label us all the same either.

We are really just a Bunch of individuals... and each one of us is a little different...

But if you look at the common ground we have.. its about trust... and about seeing the fruits of that trust rewarded over time.

Have a good one...


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Seek-n-Find 4 years ago from Illinois

We are all quite different--and each has a different story/road/journey in life. In the end, we are each responsible for the roads we took and the trails we avoided. Probably my favorite verse is "Love never fails." I'm so curious to see what happens when love of an unconditional nature--a true love that is moved to action on behalf of others--moves with power across the earth. Can you imagine millions of individuals moving in such a powerful love? It will not fail. :-)


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Smokes Angel 4 years ago from Broke Alabama

I am going to point something out to the atheists... we are not perfect, that is why we need God. If you have a hole in your life you need to research why it is there. Second, you breathe the air but you can't see it yet you know it is there.

God is what is good in this world, the absence of God is what it is evil. I respect our beliefs. If you can't respect mine that don't read my hubs.

To Mr Maranatha

I have found that most people who read our hubs and comment are sent here by Satan to destroy our ministry or they are seeking the truth. Delete the nasty comments and ignore them, otherwise Satan will take root in your emotions and use it against you.

I Peter 5: 8 Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.

In other words, when we let our emotions control our answers, it gives Satan the chance to devour our testimony.

Good hub


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MrMaranatha 4 years ago from Somewhere in the third world. Author

Thank you... I do understand the battles that we are in... And understand that many of the people who appose us today.. and appose our testimony being heard.. do so because they have things that must be denied or justified for the sake of their own sanity... What they do not realize is that many of us have already been there... But instead of choosing to "Deny", We chose to "Accept and Believe"... Which resulted in Seeing ourselves truly for what we are/were and having to deal with ourselves at the worst level of humanity... Repent... and then build our lives up again from the foundation of those ashes... Built again on the more solid foundation of Truth. We now have something they do not possess... and for all the life of them, they cannot and will not understand... and in truth do not want to understand.


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Smokes Angel 4 years ago from Broke Alabama

Unfortunately, they have the wool over their eyes and do not see the obvious


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Dave Mathews 4 years ago from NORTH YORK,ONTARIO,CANADA

MrMarantha: Indeed you have spoken the truth here, so that anyone, believer or unbeliever, should they truly desire the truth can read it for themselves.

The one thing I cannot understand about the Atheist or the unbeliever is: Why do they choose to attack that which they vehemently claim does not exist. If God is not real, why waste time and energy attacking a myth?


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MrMaranatha 4 years ago from Somewhere in the third world. Author

It is my Opinion that they may feel that if they do not attack, then they are allowing us to have our beliefs unopposed... and in doing so (or Not doing so) they are admitting defeat... Or.. they feel the need to prove their intellectual superiority which is sort of a laughable matter to me... there are men with far higher education and more degrees of learning that most of them will ever have, who are at least Deists if not Christians and they will never for the life of themselves engage someone of that caliber in a debate... Like Dr Dean Kenyon or Dr. Phil Chein etc etc.


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MrMaranatha 4 years ago from Somewhere in the third world. Author

That should have been Dr. Paul Chien for anyone who would like to look him up... he wrote a great article on the China Shale and the many Phyla of life that was found there.


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Dave Mathews 4 years ago from NORTH YORK,ONTARIO,CANADA

Needless to say: I do feel sorry for The Atheists and unbelievers for the day will come when they will come face to face with Jesus for one more chance to accept him. On that day if they still deny him they will not like their consequences.


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ptosis 4 years ago from Arizona

Even if don't believe - the bible is still a useful book - my favorite - proverbs, good simple advice for anybody religious or not.

BTW atheist does not mean the same as agnostic and people shouldn't fight over who's God is the right one to worship.


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alancaster149 4 years ago from Forest Gate, London E7, U K (ex-pat Yorkshire)

'Whatever gets you through the night', (lyrics by John Lennon). Christianity is a broad church that takes in everyone from Quakers - who just have meetings and only share their thoughts when someone puts a hand up - to out-and-out slavish traditionalists who can't function without constantly repeating responses. It all depends on your own background. If anyone can get on without what they think is 'hokus-pokus', then they shouldn't go on about it. That makes them sound like missionaries, and defeats the object. There's a saying, 'God helps them that can help themselves' (sort of writing his own redundancy package there). I don't pray, nor do I worship as such, but Thor looks after me.


wpww 4 years ago

@Dave,

"Needless to say: I do feel sorry for The Atheists and unbelievers for the day will come when they will come face to face with Jesus for one more chance to accept him. On that day if they still deny him they will not like their consequences."

"The one thing I cannot understand about the Atheist or the unbeliever is: Why do they choose to attack that which they vehemently claim does not exist. If God is not real, why waste time and energy attacking a myth?"

Perhaps Dave is your self righteousness and your assumption that we atheists need redemption. You judge us yet you bemoan us when we retaliate?


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MrMaranatha 4 years ago from Somewhere in the third world. Author

@Dave

I do not find (In the Bible) any further chance for ANYONE... atheist or any other for that matter... to recieve Christ after they have allready rejected him in this life. So in that I disagree with you.

To the other Gentleman.... It has nothing to do with my presumed righteousness or state of being... Only Christ and His Imputed Righteousness will be acceptable in God's sight. It is the Bible... God's Word that says all men need to be redeemed from hell.

If a person rejects the bible then it is God and God's word they are rejecting.. not me personaly.

That is just faulty resoning.... trying to justify your decision based upon someone elses failures... real or imagined.


wpww 4 years ago

@Mr Maranatha,

"It is the Bible... God's Word that says all men need to be redeemed from hell."

Very well then, your assumption that because god's word says so hence you judge us.

Same aspect, just a different angle of approach. gods word is only your truth and not the truth.


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MrMaranatha 4 years ago from Somewhere in the third world. Author

@ WPWW

God is God. He created and He owns what He has Created.

If you make something then its yours by right of creation to do what you like with. Well... at least to the Limit of whatever Law you are under... Abortion is a pretty good example of that. You Create a Baby and have 9 months in which to Legally kill it before it becomes Protected by the Laws that govern such things.

Now... It is not Me that Judges you, or has Judged you. It is your knowledge of Good and Evil that tells you that you are wrong.. call it a conscience if you will.

God (as the Creator) has made the Laws and you know the laws... and you know when you break the Laws.

I do not need to tell you that you are wrong.. you already Judge your own self... And in Death you will be Judged again... For all of it.

Christ came to Save you from that Judgment...

It is a simple plan... He takes your sin and you take his righteousness.

Or Not.

Either you do it God's way or you choose to do it your own way. But if you choose to Reject God and His plan... then you will not blame me or anyone else when your way fails.


wpww 4 years ago

"God is God. He created and He owns what He has Created."

Assuming of coarse that you even have proof of his existence.

"If you make something then its yours by right of creation to do what you like with. Well... at least to the Limit of whatever Law you are under... Abortion is a pretty good example of that. You Create a Baby and have 9 months in which to Legally kill it before it becomes Protected by the Laws that govern such things."

The laws of nature govern such things, you may choose to call these things god, I do not.

"Now... It is not Me that Judges you, or has Judged you. It is your knowledge of Good and Evil that tells you that you are wrong.. call it a conscience if you will."

I suggest you call it morality, after all we learn these morals form our parents and peers, the bible has merely recorded this handing on of moral mores.

"God (as the Creator) has made the Laws and you know the laws... and you know when you break the Laws."

Laws of nature which you choose to call god.

"I do not need to tell you that you are wrong.. you already Judge your own self... And in Death you will be Judged again... For all of it."

I judge myself by my morality, I have no need for jewish ancestry nor unattainable jewish moral values.

"Christ came to Save you from that Judgment..."

I have no need of redemption, we all die.

"It is a simple plan... He takes your sin and you take his righteousness.

Or Not."

The use of fear, the use of evil is well documented to obtain compliance from men who are too weak to stand alone be counted. I choose not to be sheep.

"Either you do it God's way or you choose to do it your own way. But if you choose to Reject God and His plan... then you will not blame me or anyone else when your way fails."

Once again you make the statement that yours is the only way, you have offered no proof that this way even exists. There is little historical proof and conveniently no physical proof that god even exists?


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MrMaranatha 4 years ago from Somewhere in the third world. Author

God is already a Reality to me. It is you that Needs to either Prove or Disprove His existance. Not me.


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MrMaranatha 4 years ago from Somewhere in the third world. Author

Again... I have all of the Proof that I need... Faith does not require the same type of evidence that you seem to care for...

Actually Just the fact that you require tangible "proof" that God exists places you in the same category of the rest of the people of whom Jesus called ~"a wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign"~ If you can see something then there is no Faith required for you to be believing in it.... That which is not of Faith is sin. And We walk by Faith, and not by sight.

The Proof that we have of his existance is the proof of long standing trust... We have experienced our Trust being rewarded... God is faithful to us... Just this.. we trust him.. and he delivers.

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