Answering a Jehovah's Witness: Is Jesus God?
Questions and Answers
The following is a response to a Jehovah's Witness, Hubber Errol Kane. He left quite a lengthy comment on my hub, Who Do You Say That I AM? and I believe there are countless individuals out there that may share his views/understanding. For this reason, I have chosen to answer as respectfully and reasonably as I can here in this hub. Errol’s comment is in regular type; my response to him is in bold, italicized type. While my answers in summary may seem a bit outlandish to some, I have certainly done my homework and placed the links to four more hubs at the base of this one. I encourage you to read every passage referenced, ponder, test and let the Lord reveal Himself to those who are seeking with all their hearts. God bless you.
Errol Kane's Questions and Carrie Bradshaw’s (aka Judah's Daughter's) Answers
Errol said: With respect, you can't cancel out anything Jesus said to justify the trinity. What he said was not said with confusion so as not to understand his simple words.
What did Jesus say?
“If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am.” (John 14:28) Jesus acknowledged that he and his Father are not equals.
Carrie answered: Jesus was the Son of Man when He spoke these words. Read verses 29-30 to prove this. Phil 2:6 states, “who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with [to] God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.”
Errol said: “I have not spoken out of my own impulse, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a commandment as to what to tell and what to speak.” (John 12:49) Jesus’ teachings did not come from him; they came from the Father.
Carrie answered: Understand that Jesus was and is the image of the invisible God (Col 1:15) and whatever the invisible God, the Holy Spirit, willed He did and said (John 16:13; Isa 48:11). For us to be transformed into the image of Christ (Rom 8:29; John 3:8), we too must submit to the will of Christ, the Holy Spirit in us (Rom 8:9).
Errol said: JESUS claimed to be the Son of God, not Almighty God. If Jesus were God, to whom was he praying while here on earth? (Matthew 14:23; 26:26-29) Surely Jesus was not just pretending to talk to someone else!
Carrie answered: Jesus claimed to be Almighty God (John 14:8-9). He also claimed to be the Son of Man. Even ‘man’, the ‘sons of the Most High’ is called God [elohim/theos] as you can read in Ps 82:2 and John 10:34. This hub as well as several others I’ve written prove that Jesus is God in the flesh. As the Son of Man, He prayed to the ‘Father’, the Holy Spirit that indwelt Him (Col 1:19; 2:9), yet is omnipresent and all powerful. Again, in the flesh He was made a little lower than the angels – or God (Ps 8:5; Heb 2:7-9) ~ the word for both is ‘elohim’. You do understand that the word ‘Godhead’ means ‘Deity’, the Divine, as you state later in your commentary.
Errol said: When two of Jesus’ disciples asked him for special positions in his Kingdom, he answered: “This sitting down at my right hand and at my left is not mine to give, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father.” (Matthew 20:23) Was Jesus telling them a lie when he stated that he did not have the authority to grant their request? Hardly! Rather, he humbly acknowledged that only God has the authority to make such decisions. Jesus even explained that there were some things that neither he nor the angels knew but that were known only by his Father.—Mark 13:32.
Carrie answered: Again, He spoke these words while in the flesh, as the Son of Man. By the way, have you ever taken note of the Greek in Mat 24:36? It's interesting how you quoted Mark...(KJV) "But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." Hmmm...where'd the 'Son' go? Regardless, Jesus absolutely knew when He would return and gave the 'clue' to the Jew, who would understand. Rosh HaShana, also known as the Feast of Trumpets is called "No man knows the Day nor the Hour".
Errol said: Was Jesus lower than God only while he was a man here on earth? No. Even after his death and resurrection, Jesus is described in the Bible as being subordinate to God. The apostle Paul reminds us that “God is supreme over Christ.” (1 Corinthians 11:3, Today’s English Version) The Bible says that in the future “when all things have been placed under Christ’s rule, then he himself, the Son, will place himself under God, who placed all things under him; and God will rule completely over all.”—1 Corinthians 15:28, TEV.
Carrie answered: It is imperative that you read the very first verse in this chapter to understand: "Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ." Paul, though he never saw Jesus face-to-face, was the Apostle who was considered the head of founding many Christian churches, just as the others who knew Jesus in the flesh.
The rest of the chapter gives us the spiritual message, specifically talking about the 'covering' (a symbol of authority), as relates to the marriage relationship. The wife is 'covered' by her husband. However, vs 7 states the husband is not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God. If the 'husband' does not cover his head, Christ Jesus does not have a 'covering' on His head, either. We can align this passage to Eph 5 and the mystery contained therein. Just as God is the Husband to Israel (Jer 31:32), Christ is the Husband to the Bride, the Church (Eph 5:32). There are not two Husbands here.
Regarding 1 Cor 15:28 I have written a hub that may give you some of my insights on this question: 1 Corinthians 15:28 - Jesus Subject to the Father? I will give you a little clue....1 Cor 15:28 states, "And when all things shall be subdued unto him [auto], then shall the Son [huios] also himself be subject unto him [auto] that put all things under him [auto], that God may be all in all." Now, let's go to Rev 21:7 "[He] that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his [auto] God, and he [auto] shall be my son [huios]." This is speaking of the saints as the 'Son'. You may reference Israel and Ephraim as the 'firstborn Son of God', if you wish (Ex 4:22; Jer 31:9). Yes, yes ~ there is gold to be found! Furthermore, check out Col 3:11: "a renewal in which there is no distinction between Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and freeman, but Christ [Christos] is all, and in all." Wow ~ I think He plans to renew the kingdom as it was before the fall, don't you? Who ruled over all the earth, animals, birds, etc? That's right ~ Adam and Eve, subject only to the LORD God, "I AM".
Errol said: Clearly, Jesus is not God Almighty. That is why he spoke of his Father as “my God.”—Revelation 3:2, 12; 2 Corinthians 1:3, 4.
Carrie answered: “My God [elohim/theos]” can mean the angels, magistrates [judges/elders] and the saints, the sons of the Most High. He did not say, ‘My Father’. Therefore, there is room for sharp interpretation. Believers are His temple (1 Cor 16:19). Cross-reference verse 12 with Rev 14:1 (KJV) “And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him a hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.” Other versions say “His name and His Father’s name”. It is the same name. Back to Rev 3:12, Jesus says, “I will also write on him My new name.” Furthermore, Rev 22:4 states, “They will see His face, and His name will be on their foreheads.” Now, cross-reference this with Rev 9:4; 7:4 (note verse 9) and then go to Eph 4:30.
1 Cor 1:3-4 state, “Grace be unto you and peace from God our Father and [kai, meaning ‘even’] from the Lord [Kurios/Yehovah] Jesus Christ. I thank my God always concerning you for the grace of God which was given you in Christ Jesus.” Consider the following passages:
In several passages of the Old Testament, YHVH is called “God and Savior” (Ps 18:46; Ps 79:9; Isa 45:15, etc.) Now, look at the words of the apostles in the New Testament, for they also call Jesus “God and Savior” (Titus 2:13; 2 Pet 1:1, etc.). The LORD (YHVH) said in Isa 43:11; 45:21 and Hosea 13:4, “There is no Savior besides Me.”
Errol said: PEOPLE who believe the Trinity teaching say that God consists of three persons—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Each of these three persons is said to be equal to the others, almighty, and without beginning. According to the Trinity doctrine, therefore, the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, yet there is only one God.
Many who believe the Trinity admit that they are not able to explain this teaching. Still, they may feel that it is taught in the Bible. It is worth noting that the word “Trinity” never occurs in the Bible. But is the idea of a Trinity found there? To answer this question, let's look at a scripture that supporters often cite to uphold the Trinity.
THE WORD WAS GOD
John 1:1 states: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” (King James Version) Later in the same chapter, the apostle John clearly shows that “the Word” is Jesus. (John 1:14) Since the Word is called God, however, some conclude that the Son and the Father must be part of the same God.
Bear in mind that this part of the Bible was originally written in Greek. Later, translators rendered the Greek text into other languages. A number of Bible translators, though, did not use the phrase “the Word was God.” Why not? Based on their knowledge of Biblical Greek, those translators concluded that the phrase “the Word was God” should be translated differently. How? Here are a few examples: “The Logos [Word] was divine.” (A New Translation of the Bible) “The Word was a god.” (The New Testament in an Improved Version) “The Word was with God and shared his nature.” (The Translator’s New Testament) According to these translations, the Word is not God himself.* Instead, because of his high position among Jehovah’s creatures, the Word is referred to as “a god.” Here the term “god” means “mighty one.”
Carrie answered: I do not believe in a ‘trinity’. If you felt my hub Who Do You Say That I AM? promoted a trinity doctrine, you are mistaken. Did you know the proper Greek translation of "The Word was with God" is really "The Word was to [pros] God [elohim/theon - object]"? And who/what does elohim consist of again? Angels, magistrates, elders and eventually people, the sons of the Most High.
Now, here I challenge you. What is the Greek word for 'the' in John 1:1? Yes, it is 'ho'. Let's write this verse again: "In the [ho] beginning was the [ho] Word, and the [ho] Word was with [note: no article] God [theon - object] and the [ho] Word was [ho - yep, check the Greek!] THE God [theos - subject]! I believe in ONE GOD. As you can tell, He is Yehowshua, YHVH, Yeshua ~ God and Savior.
Errol said: GET MORE FACTS
Most people do not know Biblical Greek. So how can you know what the apostle John really meant? Think of this example: A schoolteacher explains a subject to his students. Afterward, the students differ on how to understand the explanation. How can the students resolve the matter? They could ask the teacher for more information. No doubt, learning additional facts would help them to understand the subject better. Similarly, to grasp the meaning of John 1:1, you can look in the Gospel of John for more information on Jesus’ position. Learning additional facts on this subject will help you to draw the right conclusion.
For instance, consider what John further writes in chapter 1, verse 18: “No man has seen [Almighty] God at any time.” However, humans have seen Jesus, the Son, for John says: “The Word [Jesus] was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory.” (John 1:14, KJ) How, then, could the Son be part of Almighty God? John also states that the Word was “with God.” But how can an individual be with someone and at the same time be that person? Moreover, as recorded at John 17:3, Jesus makes a clear distinction between himself and his heavenly Father. He calls his Father “the only true God.” And toward the end of his Gospel, John sums up matters by saying: “These have been written down that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God.” (John 20:31) Notice that Jesus is called, not God, but the Son of God. This additional information provided in the Gospel of John shows how John 1:1 should be understood. Jesus, the Word, is “a god” in the sense that he has a high position but is not the same as Almighty God.
Carrie answered: Well, I've given you understanding of John 1:1. It can't be any clearer. God said we are to have NO OTHER GODS BEFORE HIM (Ex 20:3). To worship Jesus as ‘a god’ would violate the first commandment! (Heb 1:6; Rev 19:10). Jesus said to Philip in John 14:9, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?” Are there not many examples in the Old Testament of those who said they had 'seen God'? Plenty! They are listed in my hub link above on 1 Corinthians 15:28.
Furthermore, notice what is said in Rom 10:9 “if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord [Kurios/Yehovah], and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved”. Did Jesus raise Himself from the dead? Absolutely. Look at what He said in John 2:19 “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." Verse 21 clarifies “He was speaking of the temple of His body.” Now, since I know that God is spirit (John 4:24), the Holy Spirit (Luke 1:35), is it any contradiction that the Spirit of God raised Him from the dead? (Rom 8:11)? He is one in the same LORD (YHVH), not a trinity.
Note 1Cor 12:3 also: “no one can say Jesus is Lord [Kurios/Yehovah], except by the Holy Spirit”.
Is He the only True God? Look at 1 John 5:20 “And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.” Takes on a whole new meaning, doesn’t it?
Errol said: CONFIRM THE FACTS
Think again about the example of the schoolteacher and the students. Imagine that some still have doubts, even after listening to the teacher’s additional explanation. What could they do? They could turn to another teacher for further information on the same subject. If the second teacher confirms the explanation of the first one, the doubts of most students may be put to rest. Similarly, if you are not sure what the Bible writer John was really saying about the relationship between Jesus and Almighty God, you could turn to another Bible writer for further information. Consider what was written by Matthew, for example. Regarding the end of this system of things, he quotes Jesus as saying: “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Matthew 24:36) How do these words confirm that Jesus is not Almighty God?
Jesus says that the Father knows more than the Son does. If Jesus were part of Almighty God, however, he would know the same facts as his Father. So, then, the Son and the Father cannot be equal. Yet, some will say: ‘Jesus had two natures. Here he speaks as a man.’ But even if that were so, what about the holy spirit? If it is part of the same God as the Father, why does Jesus not say that it knows what the Father knows?
Carrie answered: I understand JW's 'follow the teachings of Jesus'. Guess what? The Holy Spirit is our Teacher, who guides us into all truth. Let's look at Ps 25:5 "guide me in Your truth and teach me, for You are God my Savior, and my hope is in You all day long." Now, let's go to John 16:13 "When the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all truth, for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.” Now, this sounds familiar, doesn’t it? Let’s go back to John 12:49 “For I did not speak on My own initiative, but the Father Himself who sent Me has given Me a commandment as to what to say and what to speak.” Is the Spirit of Truth God? Is the Spirit of Truth Christ? What did Jesus say to His disciples in John 14:18? "I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.” What are orphans? Fatherless! Do we have a dead Father? No. He didn’t say the Father would come to us, but states He will come to us, because He is the Father, who is the Spirit of Truth. His Spirit came to us on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2. So you 'believe' in two gods - you worship One and follow the teachings of the other...who is the polytheist here?
I've answered you on Mat 24:36 already.
Errol said: If you were to continue studying the Bible, gaining accurate knowledge, you will become familiar with many more Bible passages that have a bearing on this subject. They confirm the truth about the Father, the Son, and the holy spirit.—Psalm 90:2; Acts 7:55; Colossians 1:15.
Carrie answered: Ps 90:2 states that God is the Creator of all things. John 1:3 confirms Jesus is the Creator of all things.
Acts 7:55 regarding Jesus standing at the right hand of God, read it carefully: "But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God." Is 'glory' visible? This can again be interpreted more fully. Who is God [elohim/theos] here? It could be the angels, magistrates, elders and saints who have gone before us. God is not visible, except in Jesus Christ, His image ~ His Christ. “Right Hand” is representative of the power of God, which is again representative of the Spirit of God (Ex 15:6; Ps 89:13; Heb 1:3, 8; and compare this to the mocking of Christ in Mat 27:29).
Col1:15 “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.” Understand that the latter part of this verse does not mean Jesus was created as 'a god'. That defies God's Word (Is 43:10). This is what it means...God, in the flesh, became the last 'Adam' (1 Cor 15:45) - the 'firstborn of all the new creation. He was born of water (the womb) and the Spirit (the Father). Because of God shedding His own blood (Acts 20:28), without which there is no remission of sins (Heb 9:22), we must now be 'born again' (John 3). We have been born of water, but must be born of the Spirit, also known as 'born of God' (John 1:13, etc.).
Again, I have placed the links to all the hubs I encourage you to read, so that you will have greater insight to the ONE GOD.
- Let Me Tell You WHO GOD IS!
Who is GOD? WOW. What a concept to try to wrap our human brains around! Ive read all kinds of interpretations of the trinity and some of the scriptures cause confusion as to exactly how we are to interpret the entity of God Himself.
- God: Let Us Make Man in Our Image?
There are differing views being taught in the Christian world today about Genesis 1:26-27, which states Then God said, Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the...
- THREE That Bear Record? (Mat 28:19 and 1 John 5:7)
Have you read 1 John 5:7-8? This is what it says in the NAS, For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. Yet, if you read the same verses in the KJV we get a lot more:
- ROCK of OFFENSE
Do you find yourself offended by some teachings that contradict what you've always been taught? If something doesn't align with your beliefs you just quickly shut it off and dont listen? Truly, there...
- 1 Corinthians 15:28 - Jesus Subject to the Father?
Ive spent tons of hours reading and studying scripture and anything and everything I could find on the internet, commentaries, etc. to help me understand and reconcile the subjection of the Son to the...
Comments to Date (moved from Judah's Daughter)
ElderYoungMan 3 months ago
So, is that the Jehovah's Witness shtick, that Jesus is not equal with God? Interesting! In my studies, I've found that the Trinity represents the images of God, that were created in our own triune construction. It repeats itself though out the ordained things of God, like man (spirit, soul, flesh) marriage (God, Husband, Wife). I think errol either missed or disregarded you pointing out that Jesus is God (a spirit) who submitted by choice (an action of the soul) and brought his flesh into subjection, all the way to the Cross at calvary. The significance is the fact that as God, he could have crossed the line and accessed his true spiritual power at anytime, but didn't until his time came to cause dead flesh to rise.
Go on sis! Great hubbing.
SirDent 3 months ago
Very interesting. The bible states that God's Word does not return void. John 1:1 says, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
I am sure we can all agree that Jesus is the Word. I think we can also agree that God is His Word. The full glory of the Word would destroy us in our sinful state, so the Word took off it's glory and came to be as a man. This does not mean the Word was no longer God.
Many complicate things way too much. It is farily simple to understand really, just hard to accept that God, in all His glory, would come to live with His creation that was formed with His hands as His creation lives.
Many say Jesus could not be God because He prayed to God the Father. They seem to be saying that God canot be in two places at one time. He is everywhere and there is no place where He is not.
I could go on and on with this.
Judah's Daughter (aka Carrie Bradshaw) 3 months ago
Hi ElderYoungMan ~ I agree with everything you said, except that I do not use the phrase "Trinity" or "Triune", as God is only One God who reveals Himself in Spirit and in the image of Yeshua, Jesus Christ. Beautiful comment ~ God bless you and I shall keep on in the Spirit of Truth, brother.
Judah's Daughter (aka Carrie Bradshaw) 3 months ago
Sir Dent, you are right on, brother...that holy anointing! What is simple to the children of God is complicated to those who rely on carnal understanding (1 Cor 1:20-25; 3:19). God became a man; amen! I pondered WHY He would take on flesh when He appeared to Abraham the way He did in Gen 18. The Lord was faithful to answer me, in that without flesh there would be no shed blood; and if it wasn't God in the flesh, no flesh could be justified ~ for He alone is holy and without SIN. Hallelujah!! Keep that fire billowing, brother!
Michael Jon 3 months ago
Regrettably, this is an argument that will continue until Jesus Christ himself returns.
If Errol had a personal relationship with Christ, he could ask Jesus to reviel the truth to him.
My question to Errol would be this. "Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation?" His authority alone as judge of the living and the dead will determine your eternal destiny.
The Father judges no one, He has given all authority to the Son. It is written... "The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are as one."
You may have heard that a valid testimony has two witnesses who are in agreement. Any statement or testimony that Jesus made is valid because, the Father and Holy Spirit are his two witnesses.
Those who want to argue as to whether or not Jesus is equal to the Father are (in my opinion) missing the point.
The fact of the matter is this, Jesus Christ (through grace)is the only way to heaven for us as sinful mortals.
bettybarnesb 3 months ago
Hey Judah's Daughter: Glad you know the Word. People choose to believe what they want to. God doesn't fight with them. He gives them that choice. We are blessed because we don't try and read and/or interpret into God's Word what is not there. God is Elohim, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Genesis 1:1.
Abrushing1968 3 months ago
This was noble attempt to persuade a man who will not be persuaded. The JW faith is a lie and falls under what Ephesians 4 refers to as being "tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting" It was a nice try though.
Yet I could not help notice that your understanding of the Godhead is, in my opinion, flawed as well. It would appear that you subscribe to the Oneness Doctrine.
As You know I am a staunch Trinitarian.
3 distinct and separate persons, yet 1 God. 3 in 1. This is, in my opinion, the the only accurate biblical picture.
For me, this doctrine is the only one that accurately explains, and agrees with, the whole of Scripture (Both the Old and the New testaments) with out the need to twist or change scripture.
Never the less, you and I can agree that Jesus is fully God. That there is only one God. In this we can both rejoice for He is our savior, our redeemer, the only wise God. Something the JW's are not able to rejoice in. The the Jesus they serve is not the Jesus of the bible and the redemption he bring must be accompanied by good works. Hardly a salvation that knows the grace of God.
Judah's Daughter (aka Carrie Bradshaw) 3 months ago
Hi Michael Jon, You are right in that a personal relationship with Christ would lead those such as Errol into the Truth. He is merely an angel to them, a created being. No angel can save us.
While I do not hold to God being three separate beings, a doctrine brought about by the Catholic insertion of the Johannine Comma in the Textus Receptus (more of this in my hub links provided), we do agree that Jesus is fully God and besides Him there is no Savior. If Jehovah's Witnesses reject Jesus Christ as God, they are rejecting God, for He is "I AM". God bless you.
Judah's Daughter (aka Carrie Bradshaw) 3 months ago
Hi bettybarnesby ~ I appreciate your comment and your heart. Yes, the Word has been added to and subtracted from for centuries; latter day 'prophets' have appeared, just as Jesus said they would. Anything that makes Jesus out to be less than God is not of God; in that, I pray for the revelation of the Truth to those who are genuinely seeking, for Jesus came to set the captive free. Those enslaved to false prophets are in captivity, headed down the broad road to destruction. God bless us all, as He loves us all so much He gave His life to save us.
Judah's Daughter (aka Carrie Bradshaw) 3 months ago
Hi, brother Abrushing1968 ~ no one can blame a 'staunch Trinitarian' for believing what s/he does, as the majority of Christian seminaries and churches teach and believe this way. The root, unfortunately, is in Catholicism, even though Protestantism branched off. You may have read my comment to Michael Jon above ~ I am surely a Oneness believer, but not a "Oneness Pentecostal", for I feel they have much error in the rest of their doctrine. I love my brothers and sisters in Christ, and I know He has the grace to understand and rightfully judge the hearts of His children. I just hold firmly to what Jesus said, that when we see Him we see the Father ~ so none of us should think He will 'show us the Father' (John 14:9); Hallelujah! He could have said ~ "No one has ever seen the Father, for My Father is invisible" ~~ as Sir Dent said earlier, "I could go on and on".
I just pray for those who don't believe Jesus is God to come to know Him as their Savior and LORD. Blessings to you always.
JeanieR 3 months ago
Judah's Daughter, what a wonderful handling of scripture. Hats off to you! Your hub is clear, concise and respectful I fully trust God to straighten out all the doctrinal kinks for those who love Him. For some it may be later rather than sooner. I pray that we all come to the fullness of God in Christ Jesus. Blessings to you, Sister!
Judah's Daughter (aka Carrie Bradshaw) 3 months ago
It's a blessing to see your lovely face, sister JeanieR! Must be the glory of God! I so appreciate your kind words and may we rejoice to know what the Hebrew words reveal in Psalm 9:8 ~ the English is written, "And He will judge the world in righteousness", while the Hebrew would translate, "And He will avenge the confusion in righteousness"!! Hallelujah! I can't wait for Jesus to make straight the crooked doctrines of men, avenging those who've innocently followed them, while judging those who purposefully created them. Blessing to you, as well, sister JeanieR!!
Jachda 3 months ago
Hello, my friend. I stand in agreement with you, and would just like to add a few cents worth of thought to the discussion at hand, not for arguments sake, but for the sake of clarification.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
The end result is that God will be All in All. Isn't that awesome? Isn't it amazing that Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God, will be All in All?
Think about this, we also will be All in All with God, in Christ, as His children, sons and daughters, ruling and reigning with Him for eternity.
Darkness, lies, confusion, and deception seem to rule now, for a season, but when the Glorious Light shines forth, the darkness will flee.
God is One. We do not serve many gods, but the One true God. Hallelujah!
Royal Diadem 3 months ago
I was always told never to argue over the Bible, because the Word of God is like a Two Edge Sword it cuts both ways. The word “trinity” is a theological term use to define, or try to explain to us simple people, by theologians, how Godhead works through Jesus and the Holy Spirit and at the same time still be God. All I know is that one day Jesus came into my life and filled me with His Holy Spirit, and being a sheep who is dumb, I just know that the acceptance of Jesus has change my life.
I do know that the term, theologians have given us was a term, used to explain the threefold nature of God. God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit three yet one. Some things I have learned in life concerning God I may never understand it mentally and if I were to understand everything there would be no purpose for Faith. My Bible tells me that His thoughts are deep.
Psalm 92:5 how can I understand such thoughts?
That my thoughts are vanity, Psalm 94:11
That I am to hate vain thoughts but love His law Psalm 119:113
My thoughts perish the day I die, Psalms 146:4
And then I Corinthians 3:20 that God knows our thoughts and the wise, and that they are vain. Is it just enough to know that Jesus came and die for our sins, and that when we get to were we are going everything will be explain to us. Luke 3:3 that all flesh shall see the salvation of God.
I Corinthians 13 chapter Verse 12 which is the Love chapter says,
For now we see through a glass, darkly: but then face to face: now I know in part: but then shall I know even as I am known.
In other words what I am saying is that the Christian doctrine or teaching concerning the Trinity is one of those divine mysteries that is beyond human comprehension therefore I know that everything including me comes from God that is all I really need to know. I know that God can be whatever He wants to be, when He wants to be it and when He wants to be it, That is why He calls Himself, I AM. Because He Is, He Was and He is Going To Be, He is Alpha and Omega, The Beginning and the and He is the true It Factor.” He God all by Himself and He don’t need no one else. We need Him and I need Jesus great information given by all, all gave thought stimulating feed back. Outstanding Hub it made me think! God bless.
Judah's Daughter (aka Carrie Bradshaw) 3 months ago
The interpretation of that passage is one that has caused some deep thought and study for the best of scholars. I did a whole bunch of study and there was so much to ponder and consider ~ so, I finally summed it up in a new hub called 1 Corinthians 15:28 - Jesus Subject to the Father? http://hubpages.com/_ui1xcnn62gpk/hub/1-Corinthian
It blesses my heart that you know God is ONE, not three. I have a picture on my new hub capturing the 'trinity' doctrine, in that they define the Father as God, the Son as God and the Holy Spirit as God, but the Father is not the Son is not the Spirit. If that's true, than the Father is not the father of Jesus, but the third person of the trinity is, the Holy Spirit.
You’re always a blessing to my heart. God bless!!
Judah's Daughter (aka Carrie Bradshaw) 3 months ago
Whoa, girl, sister Royal ~ I saw the Holy Spirit just light up in you there in that last paragraph. Dan 2:28 states, "there is a God in heaven who reveals mysteries". Mat 13:11 states, "Jesus answered them, 'To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been granted".
There are certainly questions I know I will have for God when I see Him, which I believe will be in the person of Jesus Christ. What a relief it will be when 1 Cor 13:12 comes to pass: "For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known."
I believe you KNOW Him, sister and He KNOWS you!! It just comes bubbling out ~ the Spirit of Truth! Hallelujah ~ God bless you!
danielherman93077 2 months ago
well juda's daughter,you have a vast view of the word but im sorry to say this but jesus is not God.tell me did God die? if So according to the word but which power was he risen?
Judah's Daughter (aka Carrie Bradhsaw) 2 months ago
Hi danielherman93077, are you open for discussion? You asked if God died. I assume you are an intelligent man, for if you can make such a statement that Jesus is not God, you must have a vast view of thought or doctrine that brought you to that conclusion...Do you respect the Bible? If not, then what I have to tell you won't matter; if you do, then ponder the following:
Do you believe when your body dies, your spirit leaves it? Where does your spirit go? The Bible gives many scriptural evidences that it lives on. We are made in the image of God and in Christ we have eternal, spiritual life; outside of Christ is spiritual death. God said, "There is no Savior besides Me" (Is 43:11; 45:21; Hosea 13:4) ~ thus, we know that Yehowshuwa [Hebrew root] meaning "YHWH Saves", aka Yeshua [shortened Hebrew], aka Iesous [Greek], aka Jesus [English] is God [Yehovah - YHVH].
I'll make this as simple as I can. The Bible says that God is Spirit and is invisible (John 4:24). The visible image of God the Father is Jesus Christ (also called 'the only begotten [born] God', who reveals God to us (Col 1:15; John 1:18). God was born of the flesh so that He might shed His blood for our sins (1 Tim 3:16). Spiritual beings do not have blood as we do (1 Cor 15:50). His flesh died, but God, the Spirit, never died ~ just as we never will (Luke 23:46; Acts 7:59).
If you can fathom the concept that Spirit became flesh became Spirit that lives in us, ONE GOD, not three, then understand the following passages do not contradict, nor do they point to three persons:
Who raised Jesus from the dead? Three persons did not accomplish this, but ONE. If you understand that Jesus is God in the flesh, Who is the Holy Spirit, the Bible does not contradict:
John 2:19-21 “Jesus answered them, ‘Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.’…"He was speaking of the temple of His body.”
John 10:17 "For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it up again."
Acts 2:24 “But God raised Him up again, putting an end to the agony of death, since it was impossible for Him to be held in its power.”
Rom 8:11 “But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.” (Yes, our spirits will join to new bodies on the day of resurrection, just as Christ's did)
Jesus said in John 11:26, "everyone who lives and believes in Me will NEVER die. Do you believe this?"
Do you believe this? Did Jesus lie?
Paul said to be absent from the body is to be home with the Lord (2 Cor 5:8). If our souls stayed with our bodies in the grave until resurrection, we would NEVER be absent from them.
If you'd like, I recommend my hub "Let Me Tell You WHO GOD IS": http://hubpages.com/_ui1xcnn62gpk/hub/Let-Me-Tell-
And "The Gospel in a Glass": http://hubpages.com/_ui1xcnn62gpk/hub/The-GOSPEL-I
May God open your understanding, as He did for His disciples in Luke 24:45. He loves you so much, He created you. You can't be 'born again' unless you are 'born', which you were. He loves you so much, He died for you. He is no respecter of persons (Acts 10:34). He is the Way, the Truth and the Life ~ not 'a' way, 'a' truth and/or 'a' life, let alone 'a' god. He is "I AM".
1 Cor 12:3 "no man can say that Jesus is the Lord [Kurios, the Greek for Yehovah], but by the Holy Ghost."
Do you believe?
The Suburban Poet 2 months ago
I find it interesting that some very simple and straight forward comments attributed to Jesus must be rebutted by passages from the same source that in some cases appear to be incoherent or not on point. Why so complicated as someone mentioned?
Judah's Daughter (aka Carrie Bradshaw) 2 months ago
Yes, The Suburban Poet ~ in the beginning Satan used the Word of God with trickery and deceit (Gen 3:1) ~ still does. For this reason, we must have the Holy Spirit, which one cannot have, if Jesus is not accepted as God and Savior (Rom 8:9; Titus 2:13; 2 Pet 1:1). Those who do as their 'father' does (John 8:44; Eph 4:14) deceive those who are not studied, tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine. JW's believe Jesus to be Michael the Archangel (a created being, rather than the Creator Himself), and yet Jesus cannot be an angel, for we are not to worship angels and the angels worship Him (Rev 22:9; Heb 1:6). So, to deal with doctrines of demons (1 Tim 4:1), we can only challenge them with the Word of Truth. If they won't hear it, it is unto their own condemnation (John 12:48; 2 Thes 2:10).
drpastorcarlotta 6 days ago
As usually, you brought it home!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Keep spreading the Gospel. Voted-Up!!
Judah's Daughter (aka Carrie Bradshaw) 6 days ago
Awesome; thank you drpastorcarlotta! I'm thinking I may move this hub over to my Carrie Bradshaw profile where I deal with all kinds of false doctrines (Universalism, Mormonism, Islam, Armstrong ~ now JW and soon the practices of Catholicism). It's a pleasure hearing from you; you are always a blessing to my heart!
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