Are Christian Forums a Blessing or a Curse?

Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Luke 9:5 And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them.

Matthew 5:37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

There are so many forums on HubPages that deal with Christian topics. I suppose that many of them are begun with good intentions by people honestly looking for answers and good conversation. It never fails--someone that knows nothing at all about Christianity adds their two cents and debate begins.

I have to ask myself, what good has been accomplished. I'm sure there are exceptions, but for the most part I see beliefs that I hold very dear and near dragged through the dirt. It seems that the Christian most of the time is shamed by a more knowledgeable atheist. If Christians are going to debate they certainly need to know the facts and how to present them forcefully. "Because the Bible says so" doesn't cut it.

Unfortunately I've read hubs that bring up a controversial topic only to see the author fumble and fume as he defends his point. All the while the respondent is loving it. All the while it's bringing shame and reproach upon Christ and they have lost the battle for any credibility they may have had. All I see is pride and an unwillingness to admit they don't have all the answers as they continue to make a fool out of themselves and the God they profess to follow.

There is a right way to discuss these topics. For example one that I follow recently went through a discussion with an atheist. He wrote hubs about his communication and in a loving, kind way presented the Truth. Hats off to him! Those examples however, seem to be few and far between in the forums.

For sure there have been many times I sense a fellow hubber looking to argue a point in my hubs. They are certainly entitled to their opinion, but I refuse to argue about it. I have three choices: 1. I can kindly respond and disagree out of love. 2. I can choose to not respond at all. 3. I can delete the comment. I've done all three. I'm not saying I have all the answers. I'm just saying it's time for some Christians to grow up and learn to defend the faith or keep silent.

That being said, I'm sure that there will be comments on this hub that I will have to kindly respond to, ignore, or delete. However, I'm also entitled to my opinion also--and I just gave it to you.

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DavidWS10 6 years ago

LG, Thank you for the loving and gentle reminder to "Shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness." 2 Timothy 2:16 (KJV)

I know I have been guilty of getting involved in senseless arguments. I just pray I haven't totally disgraced our Lord and Savior.


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lifegate 6 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

David,

We've all been there! Hopefully we learn and go on to finish the job we've been called to. Thanks for checking in.


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RevLady 6 years ago from Lantana, Florida

Are Christian forums a blessing or a curse? I think you provided the best answer. The question could also be posed, Are Christians a blessing or a curse?

Love, peace and joy in Him who has the last Word!

Forever His,


tinamarie9884 6 years ago

I have never been on a forum, I do like reading alot of the christian hubs. I like what you put out, I think it is great. I will be looking forward to reading more.


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lifegate 6 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

RevLady,

Yes. I think that's another it could be worded. Thanks for your comment.

tinamarie,

Thanks for you comment. I don't spend time in the forums either. The number 1 reason is the above.


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samsons1 6 years ago from Tennessee

voted up & useful! Good read, worthy and informative. My brother in Christ; I feel most people that argue about the Bible feel they are 'helping God out, to defend Him...' He certainly don't need our defense and we as Christians should not find ourselves in discussion with non-believers with anything other than the gospel...


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lifegate 6 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

Samsons,

I agree. The Bible is the Word of God whether it's believed or not and doesn't need defended.


"Quill" 6 years ago

Hi lifegate, I have ventured into the world of forums a few times, they seemed to be pace of entertainment for those who fail to see the truth. For every small victory there seems to those who poise to steal it away, no matter what the point of discussion.

I agree if this is the ground a person is attracted into, then be prepared and stand on the Word.

Great hub and a wonderful read.

Blessings and Hugs


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Marliza Gunter 6 years ago from South Africa

Now this is a hub I can comment on...I've been to the forums in the beginning, hoping to make new friends, I thought the forums was a Christian community...after a while I became dark and angered...I prayed and asked God revelation...this is the playground of the ungodly, almost like a Christian would try to go into a prostitution house and hope to make a difference...they will be severely messed with there..

God then told me that to argue or turn those people against their will, is not the Gospel and is not His will. His Will is to let His glory shine for the poor, sick, needy, helpless and so forth..the gospel was intended for the poor in spirit..Jesus Himself never went into any hell hole to convert people who has a stone heart..so I received this scripture as my future guidance...

1Cor 2:4

4. And my speech and my preaching [was] not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: (1Cor 2:4)


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lifegate 6 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

Quill,

That's one way I never looked at--a place of entertainment for the lost. I think for sure there are other Biblical ways to reach them if they have any desire to be reached. The forums definitely aren't the best place.

Marliza,

You are so right. It's not God's purpose or His will to argue. Thanks for stopping by.


Donna Ferrier 6 years ago

Awesome hub, lifegate. And you're absolutely right. I stay off of 'em...LOL. We could get so bogged down in arguing with people and never do what Jesus wanted us to do, which was to let Him conform us to His image so that others will want to be like Him, too. We are ambassadors of Christ, after all, and people watch how we act. -- Peace, (and I sincerely mean "Peace" LOL) -- Donna


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lifegate 6 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

Donna,

You are so right. It's all about conforming to His image and giving people something attractive to draw them to Christ. Instead all too often, we push them away.


Lambservant 6 years ago

Good topic LifeGate, I decided a few weeks ago to stay off Christian forums when one guy told me to take my God Bless you and shove it. Hmm, I think throwing your pearls before the swine is useless waste of time and energy. Like you all said, share God's message of love and hope to the poor, needy, and other people who are down enough to look up and see the light.

The people responding to Christian forums do so to rile everyone up. They are angry and hostile and their hearts are so hard and their pride so great that love and truth fail to penetrate. There are more beneficial ways to get fellowship with other believers and to share the good news with other.

Thanks for this very good hub.


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lifegate 6 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

LS,

I often wondered why supposed atheists argue about the existence of God. If God doesn't exist (and He does), let the Christians be fools (or so they think), but why do they argue about it? I'll tell you why. It's because they know He does exist and won't admit it. If He exists, they are responsible to Him.

On the other hand, there is no excuse for the Christians that argue on these forums. Thanks for stopping by.


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Tamarajo 6 years ago from Southern Minnesota

well said. I have viewed a few of these debates and it is clear on a lot of fronts that some are simply arguing for the sake of arguing and have also seen where the Christian side ends up crossing the line of being disrespectful in response.

you make great points and I like your method of dealing with it.


exjwlaurie 6 years ago

This is a really good reminder LifeGate!

It is so easy to get sucked into debate. I too, have recently decided to just delete messages from those who simply want to argue. I can see by their own anger within their words, that there will be no room for a peaceable interaction with them.

It is good to know that others face this similar situation, and that "not to deal with it" is the most peaceful way to "deal with it"!


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lifegate 6 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

Tamarjo,

I think you nailed it. It's a shame, but I guess that's reality.

exjw,

Sorry to hear that you've experienced some of this too, but I guess in some ways, it should be expected. As far as my question, I resent it, but it was returned. But Thank you for your reply.


exjwlaurie 6 years ago

Brother lifegate, that is so weird. I even contacted aol to see if there was a problem with the message, perhaps that it had gotten corrupted or some such thing. I have not heard back from aol on this yet!

I am going to send you my mail e-mail address via the link on your hubsite. Please try to resend.

Thank you! Laurie


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lifegate 6 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

exjw,

I resent the email. Let me know if you get it. Thanks!


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fred allen 6 years ago from Myrtle Beach SC

This is a very important piece! I have read some of the forums to which you refer. My observation is that many Christians get sucked into the name calling game. They quickly lose their composure and seem to forget the example set for us by our Lord. When He was confronted by unbelief, He never offerred a word of defense. He was not offended by the stubborness of unbelievers. He had compassion on them. It was the so called religious leaders that He opposed. We will never gain ground for the Kingdom of God by resorting to the same tactics used by unbelievers to berate believers. Passive agressiveness is not love. Thinly veiled criticism is still criticism and it will not win the lost. Trying to be polite while berating the lost will only further the chasm between unbelief and saving faith. These forums are where many lost souls gather to make their case that belief is irrational. When we start taking attacks personally, we have lost the battle for the lost. I believe Jesus would speak the truth in love. We should too. He would see the lost as searching, He would have an answer for them. He would reason in love, and accept the fact that not all will listen. But He would never engage in hostile debate.

I love that you wrote this! I hope it helps lovingly sway those who would engage in the debate with unbelievers from resorting to hostility.


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lifegate 6 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

Fred,

Yes, I believe that Jesus would speak the truth in love. He is Truth and He is Love. We are to certainly to be a reflection of that. I may not always reflect Him perfectly, but I do hope that some of the forums might adjust their tactics. Thanks for several good points and for stopping by.


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Captain Jimmy 6 years ago from WV

Hi Lifegate,

Jesus dealt with this all the time saying "Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone."

1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;

1 Timothy 6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

1 Timothy 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

1 Timothy 6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.

1 Timothy 6:7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.

1 Timothy 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.

1 Timothy 6:9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.

1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

1 Timothy 6:11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

1 Timothy 6:12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.

1 Timothy 6:13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;

1 Timothy 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:

1 Timothy 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

1 Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

1 Timothy 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;

1 Timothy 6:18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;

1 Timothy 6:19 Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.

1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

1 Timothy 6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

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A M Werner 6 years ago from West Allis

I agree with many here - I went to the forms early on but would never do it again when it comes to Christianity. The forms can be useful and fun when talking about other things in life, but it just seems to be pointless and unfruitful for anyone who really wants to help, or be helped. Peace.


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lifegate 6 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

Captain,

Thanks for all the Scripture. It is the Word of God that cuts deeper than a two-edged sword. That's where we need to stand.

AM,

You're right. Pointless and Unfruitful sums it up. Thanks for stopping by--both of you.


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bayoulady 6 years ago from Northern Louisiana,USA

I DO read the Christian forums, but I no longer participate.The Christian forums would have been fun. I have been on some on other sites that are testifying of miracles, asking for prayer or advice...all things to lift up...not destroy. But we have 6 major atheist trolls that come to the forums simply to spoil it for everyone. They spue such hate, that I am very concerned for new babes in Christ that think they can make a difference there.They may get wounded or unsure about the gospel.Jesus told his diciples as he sent them out to shake the dust of their feet and leave if the gospel would not be heard.So I love My Saviour as much as anyone. But I'll not cast the pearls before the swine again.I can't understand why some people get banned on forums for what seems minor in comparision to what hateful things are said by the atheist that literally troll the forums . It's the same ones. You know who they are. Hugs!


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lifegate 6 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

Bayoulady,

Yes, I know who they are. Isn't a shame to be known by their hate for God. Thanks for checking in.


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Lady Guinevere 6 years ago from West Virginia

I am with the RevLady on this. I don't go into the forums anymore. Just as you have your opinions and research so do others evenif they do not agree with yours. Using the scriptures in the Bible as a sword to pear those who do not believe the same things or the same way that you do is not a good thing. What you put out is what you will get back and I do believe Jesus mentioned that many times in his teaching way before Paul came along. Your (general term) motivation of using the scriptre is what shows through weather you believe it is or not.

Love is not judging others for what or how they came to those conclusions.


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lifegate 6 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

Lady G,

Thank you for noticing my purpose in using the Scriptures (Hebrews 4:12). I agree with your statement, "Love is not judging others for what or how they came to those conclusions." Judgment is God's business, but love is warning those that reject His Son that eternal damnation awaits them so that they might be spared.


SirDent 6 years ago

It is hard to have a conversation with someone who constantly puts you down. About 6 months or so ago, I also stopped going to the religion forums. I will dig wells elsewhere.


DavidWS10 6 years ago

I think it is amazing that those who argue the most about the Bible are the ones who know the least about it. Here are some more Bible verses about love Besides

1 Corinthians 13.

“Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood. Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us. We know that we live in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit. And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God. And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him. In this way, love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment, because in this world we are like him. There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love. We love because he first loved us. If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother” 1 John 4:1-21.

“"If you love me, you will obey what I command. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever—the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him"” John 14:15-21.

“Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments"” Matthew 22:34-40.

“Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age"” Matthew 28:16-20.

“But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, "In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires." These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit. But you, dear friends, build yourselves up in your most holy faith and pray in the Holy Spirit. Keep yourselves in God's love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life. Be merciful to those who doubt; snatch others from the fire and save them; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh” Jude 1:17-23.


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RTalloni 6 years ago from the short journey

Great hub. What does the Lord require of His people? Micah 6:8

But oh how the definitions of the words in His Word are sometimes twisted! May the Lord bless your efforts to be faithful to His Word!


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lifegate 6 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

Thanks, RT.


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Zabbella 5 years ago from NJ-USA

THANK YOU! Finally someone expressed what I was thinking! I have jumped on Christian forums and ended up feeling angry. There are those who want to simply antagonize the Christians and make ( us ) feel helpless and make us feel that we are doing double-speak. I simply hate having to defend my beliefs for people who will not care in any case! So why do THEY get on those forums ...just to troll the Christians??? (wow) that was intense. Great hub!


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lifegate 5 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

Zabella,

Well said! God doesn't need us to defend His Word. It is what it is and it is only for people to accept or reject--but if they choose to reject, it still doen't doesn't change Truth. Truth stands in, and of, and by itself. God's Word is Truth.


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GodTalk 4 years ago from Kentwood, Michigan

I just got a chance to read this hub Lifegate. Like many who commented above I no longer go to the forums for Christian issues. There are atheists who will start a forum simply to argue into the ground their lack of belief in God. Like the bully on the playground, they seek out the Christians weak in their faith and pick on them and make fun of their beliefs.

Rather than having a rational discussion, they put people down and call them all sorts of names. It is like being in grade school all over again. It is best to let people like that alone, and pray that the Lord will one day convict them of their sin and their need for Christ.

Thanks again for expressing what so many of us have felt.


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lifegate 4 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

Godtalk,

I like the way you summed it up. Bullies! Did you ever notice that bullies are usually bullies because that's the only way they can make a point. Ask them to use reason and they're completely lost for logical words. However, they still the Lord and I need to learn to be patient.


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glmclendon 4 years ago

I enjoyed reading you. I think people must study to show themself approved. Yelling will not get the job done. People think they can make a fool out of youand/or Christ, but they are only making one of themselves.

Do you dreally have time for that? Life is too short and there is too much work for the Christian to do to waste time with Bullies, and those that want to keep confusion.

continue to write as the Savior gives you the light.

Stay Well


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lifegate 4 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA Author

glmclendon,

Thanks for stopping by. It's always good to see a new face.

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