Are Muslims Really That Sensitive About Mohammed?

Religion can be a deeply sensitive issue to an individual or a culture. But, all religions preach tolerance, not just of other religions, but for those not of their religion. Yet, Islam and their Muslim followers have shown that their religion is intolerant of those not part of it. Whether it is their extremist element within their group making it appear so, or not, to most of us outside of this religion, the religion seems very intolerant and biased in many of their beliefs laid down by Mohammed, their prophet. Islam seems like a a religion that promotes bashing and war against anyone who does not partake in it as their belief. Infidels, those who are in other religions, are often targeted in a variety of subtle or not subtle ways in a Muslim country. Some countries are more extreme than others, but there is a common thread of just bad blood for those not of the Islamic faith or Muslim.

The recent uprising in the Middle East against anything American because of a cheesy, low budget, stupid, PG film clip only proves how intolerant Muslims and Islam is of ANY satire or critical negativity regarding their religion and Mohammed, who in the Christian world, is akin to Jesus, the son of God. Are Muslims so insecure in their religion that any negative portrayal of Mohammed or aspects of its religion (beheadings, stoning, treating women as slaves and second class citizens, and many other degrading customs) that they resort to violence and murder? The more moderate Muslims are afraid to speak out for being more tolerant because of the extremists they know will silence them with coercion and bullying. Even within Islam, the moderate Muslims are afraid of their own more fundamentalists\extremist believers. What kind of a religion is this? How can anyone really think this is a religion from God? A God so intolerant, extreme, and fear? To anyone not of this religion, it surely seems so.

To most outside of the religion, it seems like a religion that was created by man or group of men. The origins of Islam and Christianity have very similar parallels, to the point that is uncanny. Did Islam copy Christianity? I mean, there is Jesus, son of God, on Earth, spreading the word in the Middle East. Then, there is Islam, with Prophet Mohammed, doing the same thing in the same area or near it. That is where the similarity ends. Jesus spoke against violence and always love and peace to even your enemies. Women were not slaves of men. Every soul is worthy of God. Yet, Islam sounds more like the laws of tribal men leaders because there are so many "conditions" and odd rules that simply seem arbitrary and prejudicial for one reason or another. Islam treats its infidels or enemies with harshness and cruelty, much like warring tribes would. Jesus would say love them. Mohammed seems to say, destroy them or punish them.

Those who have only got democracy recently really have no clue about it. The right to vote is one of many elements. The concept of Freedom of Speech and Assembly, seems simply enough, until the attacks are personal. In the Middle East, this is where it all falls apart because politics and religion are intertwined with conflicting beliefs.

I wish the moderate Muslims would speak loudly that negative statements about Islam or Mohammed are simply opinion and it is okay and not begin murdering innocents in the name of Allah, because I do not believe Allah would condone this at all.

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carol7777 4 years ago from Arizona

Interesting ideas on the topic. And I do not know the answer, but reading other opinions is always interesting. Voting UP.


Brenda Durham 4 years ago

Indeed! PerryA, you've written exactly what I've been thinking since I recently read about that uprising. And, actually, since the controversies even before then, where our U.S. soldiers were ordered to BURN BIBLES so Muslims wouldn't be teed off!

It's horrid.

And we should've never given in to their assaults, never given up our God-given right to have Holy Bibles in the possession of our soldiers, nor been afraid to offer Bibles to anyone who might be interested.

Islam, from my understanding, originated from the account of Ishmael in the Bible, eventually God saying that He would make a "great" Nation from that side also; but indeed God's plan of Salvation proceeded NOT from that bloodline but from Isaac, Abraham's second son and the child of the Promise. Plus, the word "great" doesn't always mean "Godly"! Or at the very least, the descendants of Ishmael or the followers of Islam veered horribly from the God they originally were blessed by. Because the ended up making the "prophet" Mohammad into their "god" instead of worshipping Jesus the only begotten Son of God.

God's promise to Hagar (Sarai's maid) came with far-reaching consequences. She was promised a child, but Genesis 16: 12 describes him thusly:

"And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren".

In Genesis 17: 21, God lays out the true plan He has for the world of sinners---He says:

"But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year."

Ishmael was born because Sarah became impatient, didn't wait on the Lord. Yet God still forwarded His plan in her by the birth of Isaac. And Hagar sinned too by mocking Sarah. And Abraham sinned by not waiting upon the Lord's plan.

Everybody sinned! And God's plan still went through. The leftover consequences (even to this day) are that some of the followers of God down the line of descendants (because indeed Hagar had talked to God and followed Him, according to what I read in the Bible) veered off onto the wrong track and formed an anti-Christ religion instead of recognizing the true Messiah, the direct descendant of God Himself, Jesus Christ. I'm not sure exactly when that started happening, but indeed we do know that Mohammad is not the Son of God and we know that Islam is waaay on the wrong track.

Sorry so long. Your hub simply caught my interest. Deep interest of course, so I was compelled to try to insert some facts that might help people understand where Islam went wrong and why its followers are immersed in such a cruel intolerant religion.


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naeemebrahimjee 4 years ago from London

I find your article very disappointing as you are taking the stereotypical view of modern day Islam and extrapolating it. There are so many points here I disagree with.

Your first paragraph refers to Intolerance. Islam is one of the most tolerant religions in the world. The word Islam actually means peace. Muslims are from all cultures and all societies and integrate into society like anyone else.

What you find intolerance is a result of Western manipulation. The west has made two unjust wars in the last decade; to Afghanistan and to Iraq. How do you think the local people are going to react? Don’t blame it on religion, see it for what it really is.

Afghanistan they were looking for payback after September 11th. Osama Bin Laden, the man behind the attack was a muslim; but that is not WHY he attacked the twin towers! Do you blame every Irish person for the IRA’s actions a few decades ago? Do you blame every White person for Slavery thousands of years ago? Osama Bin Laden was a TERRORIST. Terrorist whatever their religion are called terrorist for a reason. They believe everyone else is wrong, they are right and the only way to show the world is to do so through violence. They use religion as a justification for their own personal ambitions and aims. Osama Bin Laden was in Pakistan the whole time. The Americans just acted on bad knowledge.

With Iraq it was a similar story. They went in to remove Saddam Hussein and his WMD’s. Interesting how 10 years later no WMD’s have been found, Saddam has been dead for almost a decade and the war is still raging on? Why does it take a decade to accomplish those two goals? Once again the Americans where wrong about the WMDs.

The Quran clearly talks out against War and violence. The Quran is very pro integration. There is no mention of other religions being wrong or to alienate other religions. The Quran talks about Jihad (which terrorists often relate to); but in the Quran Jihad refers to an internal struggle of the mind. A struggle to become a better person. Jihad does not relate to violence and warfare at all.

You talk about the uprising in the middle east. What the hell does this have to do with religion? These are just countries going through political changes and revolutions. It is a Political issue. So what if the dominant religion in the countries is Islam?

Muslims do not resort to “violence and murder.” A small group of fundamentalists have. It is irrelevant what religion they are from. Take a look through history and you will see people from every religion causing murder. I repeat, look at the IRA, the Protestant / Catholic wars, etc. There are hundreds of examples though History. In term of percentages you do that maths, maybe 1000 people (at a push) charged of terrorism who are Muslims. Today there are around 1.6 billion Muslims in the world and it is the fastest growing religion.

Islam is not just similar to Christianity, but also to Judaism. If you go back to the time of Abraham you will learn that the three religions originate from him.

What is it your concerns about the rights and equality of people in other countries? I agree that the whole world should be allowed the freedoms that we share in the west but who decide that America are the world leaders and the world’s police?? The Middle Eastern political systems and life structure is what America and other countries shared only two hundred years ago. America are developing a bit faster than the Middle East but look at America today, they are in the most debt in the world today and still believe they are in control of the whole planet.

I find your article offensive and judgmental, and if you choose to slander Muslims again take the time to research the religion and learn what the religion actually teaches. It has nothing to do with anything you refer too.

Oh also to answer your question posed in the title: We care so much about Mohammed as he is the central prophet of our religion. He is the most honoured and respected man in our religion’s history. Without him Islam would not be what it is today. To put it simply he is the Muslim version of Jesus in terms of importance. If I started making rude and judgmental comments about somebody who is important to your religion or your faith how would you react??


Jayfort 4 years ago

Naeemebrahimjee, I find your response to Perry A's Hub offensive and judgmental. You ask Perry: "If I started making rude and judgmental comments about somebody who is important to your religion or your faith how would you react??"

Please allow me to answer you. I'm a Christian and I hear rude and judgmental comments about Jehovah (God), Jesus, and our Christian saints all the time from many sources to include so-called Christians, Muslims, atheists, agnostics, and who knows what else. How do I react? Well, I do NOT go out and gather a gang of people and physically attack those individuals or their religions or institutions. I do NOT violate their property or harm them. I understand that Free Speech means that I and others have a responsibility for what we say and DO. There's an old expression, perhaps you've heard of it? "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me."

It is now the 21st Century, it is time for Fundamental Islamists to join the rest of the human race in this century and understand that their violent, backwards behavior must cease!


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Petra Vlah 4 years ago from Los Angeles

Most followers (of any religion) are tolerant enough and follow their creed in a peaceful way, but we don't hear about them, because regular people DO NOT make news.

Only extremists, (a dangerous and limited, but vocal group) are making trouble for the rest of us and will kill in the name of THEIR God, ignoring the basic principals of Love and Tolerance proclaimed by all of the Holy Books Torah, Koran and the Bible.

None of those groups of religiously fanatic terrorists are better than

the rest of them, whether Christians, Jews, or Muslims


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perrya 4 years ago Author

Great discussion.


Paul 4 years ago

The movie was merely as excuse or cover for the violence. It seems that the attacks have more to do with 9/11 than the bad movie. I sometimes think the U.S. should disengage from the region, but that would only embolden them. There is no excuse for the host countries not protecting our embassies. There also should have been Marines or other U.S. troops with live ammuntion stationed at all of these hot-spots during 9/11. The second a Haji popped over the wall with an intent to harm U.S. citizens they should have been shot. This is a disgrace and Clinton should resign.


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cheaptrick 4 years ago from the bridge of sighs

The comments on this hub are almost as interesting as the hub its self.Nice work P and my compliments for starting an interesting debate...will follow this hub.

Dean

Oh,by the way,the entirety of All religions can be summed up in one sentence;Try very hard in this lifetime not to be an A** to yourself or others[the golden rule] .No?


Paul 4 years ago

cheaptrick: I'm not sure where you are trying to go with your comment. The problem with Islam is that they don't preach the "Golden Rule" consistently. Islam has been spread through the sword and violence is all they seem to understand.


Paul 4 years ago

Need more?

Qur’an:9:5 - “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Qur’an:8:39 - “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”

Ishaq:587 - “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”

Qur’an:8:65 - “O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding.”

Qur’an:9:123 - “Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.”

Ishaq:578 - “Crushing the heads of the infidels and splitting their skulls with sharp swords, we continually thrust and cut at the enemy. Blood gushed from their deep wounds as the battle wore them down. We conquered bearing the Prophet’s fluttering war banner. Our cavalry was submerged in rising dust, and our spears quivered, but by us the Prophet gained victory.”


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perrya 4 years ago Author

I would like to hear from some Muslims and their response to the various verses Paul quoted. I want to see how they interpret and\or defend them. Do they really think God said these very humanly words about intolerance and hate? I have read Islam is a false religion, I tend to believe it.


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Meg Moon 4 years ago from United Kingdom

I'm not a Muslim but I have a background in the studying and teaching of philosophy and religion and here are my responses to the verses Paul has quoted. There are good things about all religions and there are teachings from all religions, that in the modern world, can be quite difficult to reconcile with modern day morality. What really annoys me is when people single out Islam as if it is the only religion that says such stuff. Let's look at some of the intolerance and hate of God from the Old Testament- a holy scripture from both Judaism and Christianity.

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Deuteronomy17 is the place where you'll find the command to kill people who worship any other God. Stoning is the suggested method.

Islam is spread by the sword!? Have you heard of a little known event in the history of Christianity known as the Crusades???

The worst thing about all this patronising anti-Islamic xenophobia is that it is thinly veiled as being a genuine concern with certain religious teachings and doctrine as opposed to good old fashioned religious intolerance. If you were concerned about morally dubious claims made by holy scripture you would also call to attention the stuff that is found in the Bible and other religious texts.

The irony is if Christians were following the teaching of the Son of God himself you wouldn't be out there criticising Muslims or other people. In the words of Jesus Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?


Jayfort 4 years ago

Meg Moon, I don't give a rat's rear end what religion someone is, what they believe in, what color they are, or where they are from. What I DO care about is what they are capable of... What I've seen of some (Not ALL Muslims) is a tendency to react with violence to any and all perceived slights. As I said before, they need to grow up and join the rest of the world in the 21st Century. There! Is THAT patronizing enough for you!


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James-wolve 4 years ago from Morocco

Sorry,What s the difference between moderate and extremist Muslims??You mentioned in your hub that Islam is a religion of war and intolerance .I do not think so.I read it many times but there is not any verse which promotes violence, terrorism and war.the ones that are mentioned in the comments are taken out of its textual and historical context.I wrote a very short hub about it called The Usual Suspects... Unfortunately,most Christians rely in their view of Islam on the general media, which is not always accurate in reporting the news. Many media outlets, such as TV, radio, newspapers and magazines, are influenced by their investors or owners who have certain agendas and who want to promote certain values and points of view. Other media outlets are simply after the "big story", in order to make more money and more profits. Others are simply "followers", who only gather news from other sources, re-package it and try to sell it again purely as a business.

In all these cases, the news reporting is not accurate, but is driven by ulterior motives or simply by profits. Only very few media organizations are committed to providing accurate and true information, regardless of financial gain. Therefore, people today should be very careful in what they take from the media.

Before blindly accepting what the TV, radio or newspaper is reporting, one should think critically about what is being reported. Is this being reported accurately, or is it being exaggerated or even completely fabricated? Who are these people reporting the news, and do they have vested interests to report the story in a certain way, or are they completely objective and fair? Critical thinking is very important in all aspects of life, especially when it comes to accepting the media reports about important and controversial issues.

If we return to the video,there are many things most people don't know about it because deliberately put wool on their eyes.Some of these things are that the movie has no apparent purpose but to spread anti-Islamic hatred and provoke violent reactions. But just as was true of the Qur'an burnings by Pastor Terry Jones (who, unsurprisingly, has a prominent role in promoting this film), or the Danish Muhammad cartoons before that, it is ,and it should be ,an absolute, unfettered free speech right to produce films no matter how offensive their content might be


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Meg Moon 4 years ago from United Kingdom

I'd also like to raise some points about the hub itself. You suggest that "Mohammed, who in the Christian world, is akin to Jesus, the son of God." Prophet Muhammad does not occupy the same status in Islam as Jesus does in Christianity. Jesus is seen as the Son of God- God incarnate as man. Muhammad is simply a man. He is seen as the perfect human perhaps and the ideal example to follow but he is a man. This is a very important teaching from Islam.: "Say he is Allah the One and Only, Allah the Eternal Absolute; He begetteth not nor is he begotten and there is none like onto Him".

Secondly when we do a comparative study of different religions we have to look at the complex contextual factors and I'm afraid your comparison of Jesus and Muhammad is very simplistic. It fails to recognise the different positions of both men. Jesus was a wondering preacher, he was not a leader of men and therefore he could teach a message of love and sometimes somewhat impractical and abstract doctrines. Muhammad was not just a religious teacher. He was also a political leader in a very unstable time in the history of Arabia. He had to make tough decisions and get his hands dirty in wars and battles- Jesus never had to do this. If Jesus was tasked with stabilising a whole region and bringing together warring factors as Muhammad was I doubt very much he would have being preaching people to love their enemies - so the comparison is misleading and unfair.

As for your comments on women- I could talk at length about this so suffice to say there are plenty of sexist comments in the Old and New Testament about women and the status of women in Arabia was massively improved by Muhammad and Islam.


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krillco 4 years ago from Hollidaysburg, PA

Are you Muslim?


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Meg Moon 4 years ago from United Kingdom

@jayfort- Let's look at your, shall we say reasoning, here what "some (not ALL) Muslims are capable of." Is it acceptable to make the same generalisations about men based on what some (not ALL) men are capable of- Maybe I should write a hub entitled "Do Men really have to Rape Women?". Or would it be OK for me to make generalisations about the black community based on what some (not ALL) black people are capable of. Or heaven forbid can I make an en masse generalisation about what members of the US Army based on what some (not ALL) of them are capable of?

The simple fact is this- people will find fault with religions, races, cultures that they have pre-existing prejudices about and use it to justify their intolerance and hatred.


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Meg Moon 4 years ago from United Kingdom

@krillco- if your question is addressed to me then no I am not a Muslim. From the massive amount of anti-Islamic sentiment on here I can see why you might think anyone standing up for Islam must themselves be Muslim but I'm not. I'm actually an atheist I just hate to see religions being unfairly singled out - all religions have good and bad aspects. I especially hate to see Christians ignoring the teachings of Christ and judging others left,right and centre.


Paul 4 years ago

@Meg: I never promoted Christianity in my posts. Regardless of religion, anyone killing like this is uncacceptable and Islam is full of hate and violence. I could quote verses all day long.


Paul 4 years ago

Also Meg, the only good Muslims seem to be the non-religious ones.


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perrya 4 years ago Author

Nice debate. But, meg, I think you are overly sympathetic to the Muslims that are giving Islam a bad name. The intolerance of many Muslims against those who are not is very bigoted. The Muslim brotherhood in Egypt indicated that no negative comments about Mohammed are tolerated or accepted. Where is democracy in this? If Mohammed is a mere mortal, how on earth can so many think he is God-like status and revered to fanatical degree? Muslims blame the USA for this stupid video, which to non-Muslims, is simply campy. They think the US government supports it and fails to acknowledge that a private citizen, not even American, in the US, is the ONLY one responsible. So, they loose self control and murder Americans. The person who made the video is actually a criminal with a record and on probation. For all we know, Mohammed was a very bigoted, hateful man. Jesus Christ certainly was NOT.


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James-wolve 4 years ago from Morocco

Why didn't Paul quote preceding or subsequent verses that clarifies their true meanings. Let us for examle examine the verse 9:5:

“But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.”

Context: again, this is how believers were commanded to deal with the invading pagans who have been attacking and oppressing those who believe in One God. But even for these pagans, the very next verse, 9:6, commands:

“If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.”

The same applies for the remainder of the verses in this section. In verses 9:11 and 12 we are directed to give them every opportunity to correct their ways, even after they have attacked.“But (even so), if they repent, establish regular prayers, and practise regular charity,- they are your brethren in Faith: (thus) do We explain the Signs in detail, for those who understand.”

“But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and taunt you for your Faith,- fight ye the chiefs of Unfaith: for their oaths are nothing to them: that thus they may be restrained.”

So, finally…

9:14

“Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers..”

and

9:29

“Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”

Besides, Ibn-Ishaq and other sources like Tabari are extremely doubtful and unauthenticated. Most Muslim scholars today firmly and strongly believe in this. Not that the hadiths above are bad or anything, but as most Muslim Scholars agree, we Muslims can't take them as absolute Truth or accurate information. Much of these volumes are either corrupt or taken out of context. Again, this is according to the Muslims scholars. This is why these volumes are considered "unauthenticated".


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James-wolve 4 years ago from Morocco

Paul, do you have any comments about these:

Hosea 13:16 (New Living Translation) - The people of Samaria must bear the consequences of their guilt because they rebelled against their God. They will be killed by an invading army, their little ones dashed to death against the ground, their pregnant women ripped open by swords."

.Hosea 13:16 (King James) Samaria will bear her guilt because she has rebelled against her God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open.

.In Isaiah 7:20 the bible makes clear that God will use the Assyrians as an instrument for punishment to judea:

Isaiah 7:20

On that day the Lord will use a razor hired from beyond the Euphrates River-the king of Assyria -to shave the head, the hair on the legs, and to remove the beard as well.

.Ezekiel 23:45-48 (King James Version)

45: And the righteous men, they shall judge them after the manner of adulteresses, and after the manner of women that shed blood; because they are adulteresses, and blood is in their hands.

46: For thus saith the Lord GOD; I will bring up a company upon them, and will give them to be removed and spoiled.

47: And the company shall stone them with stones, and dispatch them with their swords; they shall slay their sons and their daughters, and burn up their houses with fire.

.Dr. Constable's Notes on Ezekiel , page 113

The Lord commanded a group of soldiers to attack these cities and to

terrorize and plunder them. These invaders would stone the guilty (the

punishment for adulterers and murderers in the Mosaic Law), slay them

and their children with their swords, and burn their houses.

48: Thus will I cause lewdness to cease out of the land, that all women may be taught not to do after your lewdness.

the question is why do innocent childeren have to be slay (as punishment) for the crimes (murder, adultery, idol worshipping) commited by their parents? Do you call this righteous dear christian ?

even those slayers of innocent children are called righteous men in the bilbe!


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James-wolve 4 years ago from Morocco

ok.let s suppose that Muhammad is a Murderer for KILLING the enemies. WHAT ABOUT THE BIBLE'S PROPHETS' MURDERS that were blessed by GOD?

"They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man........Now kill all the boys (innocent kids). And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:7,17-18)"

.Kill everything that "breathes" from humans and animals!

Deuteronomy 20:16:

However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.

Ironically, one of the Bible's 10 pillars or ten Commandments says: "Thou shalt not kill. (Exodus 20:13)." yet, innocent children and non-virgin women were ordered to be killed by the mass, perhaps in thousands! 3year old slave girls were also ordered to be raped by Moses.


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James-wolve 4 years ago from Morocco

I read in some of comments that Islam was spread by sword .if it is true could that you give me such plausible answers to the following ansers(i dont hate anyone here,or i m trying to prove something,we r after all brothers) :

.How come More than 80% of the population of India are non-Muslims,bearing in mind that the Muslims ruled it for about a thousand years?

.Which Muslim army went to Indonesia ?

.How come the conversion to Islam happened in the absence of any Islamic state in Malaysia?

.What makes Tony Blair `s sister-in-law ,Lauren Booth ,to convert to Islam?

in fact ,Islam is far from being spread by the sword, it was the inherent force of truth, reason and logic that was responsible for the rapid spread of Islam.

Islam has always given respect and freedom of religion to all faiths. Freedom of religion is ordained in the Quran itself:

“There shall be no compulsion in (acceptance of) the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong.” Quran 2:256

The noted historian De Lacy O’Leary wrote in his book: Islam at the Crossroads, p.8. “History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated.”

The famous historian, Thomas Carlyle, in his book Heroes and Hero worship, refers to this misconception about the spread of Islam: “The sword indeed, but where will you get your sword? Every new opinion, at its starting is precisely in a minority of one; in one man’s head alone. There it dwells as yet. One man alone of the whole world believes it, there is one man against all men. That he takes a sword and tries to propagate with that will do little for him. You must get your sword! On the whole, a thing will propagate itself as it can.”

If Islam was spread by the sword, it was the sword of intellect and convincing arguments. It is this sword that conquers the hearts and minds of people. The Quran says in this connection:

“Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best.” Quran 16:125


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perrya 4 years ago Author

I think we can see a difference between those who use Islam for their own dirty hatreds in extreme elements and claim it is the will of Allah and Islam and those who do not have such an agenda. Unfortunately, the extreme elements that want society and customs to return to this are what the West sees. Islam has a real public relations problem.


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James-wolve 4 years ago from Morocco

Can you give me examples of` those who use Islam for their own dirty hatreds..the will of Allah`?I want to know who are they if you don't mind.


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James-wolve 4 years ago from Morocco

@Jayfort , words are more harmful than sticks and stones.In Arabic language there is an idiom which says:WORDS ARE HARMFUL THAN SWORDS .So ,they react according to this idiom.Dont be surprised or shocked to see them in streets demonstrating.If you cant do the same like them when ,as you said,your religion is insulted by Muslims and others that doesnt mean you are civilized or as in other places implying that the West is a grownup society and those reactions are signs of barbarism and extremism.In fact,according to CNN survey ,Muslims are more religious than Christianity and have a special deep relations with their prophet,unlike the Christians with Jesus. Quoting :Sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me." in this place indicates that physical life is more important to you than psychological one.I think this is not true,as we are all humans,we get much hurt by words than by physical and without our spiritual life,we are nothing(What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul? Mathew 16:26)and getting punched in the face left a huge bruise on your cheek bone. The bruise went away with time. After it was long gone and forgotten, the memory of words exchanged forever burns inside.

Using words as weapons is as old as human language, but we don't give it the attention that it deseves. In the past few decades we have come a long way in recognizing and understanding the damage that physical and sexual abuse can do, but there are still many who don't realize that words can be at times, more powerful then using our fists to talk for us. We all need to think about the impact of our words on others.

The New Testament writer James said that even though the human tongue is a small part of the body, it has the power to make a tremendous impact. The book of Proverbs reminds us that the tongue has the power of life and death (18:21). The language we use to communicate with one another is like a knife. In the hands of a skillfull surgeon, a knife can do good. But in the hands of a careless or ignorant person it can cause a great deal of harm.

The Bible teaches that a kind word can uplift, nourish, and mend a broken heart. Proverbs 16:24 says "Pleasant words are a honeycomb, sweet to the soul and healing to the bones." Words can restore confidence, hope and purpose to a spouse who felt dejected, lost or confused.


Jayfort 4 years ago

@James - Believe me when I say I understand the power of words. In my life, I have been an instructor, a writer, and an editor and use words to deliver messages all the time. And I do understand that, in all languages, their are trigger words that use emotion to drive human behavior.

I have, over many years, learned to control a very short temper. I have also learned that I, and I alone, am the ultimate arbiter of my own behavior. Many times, I have had ugly, ugly trigger words thrown in my face; yet I've not turned to violence to resolve the incident.

Having spent time in the Middle East, I have seen first hand Middle Eastern peoples and cultures. What many in the Western World do not realize is that the ME peoples do not think the same way we do and have a different view of the human life.

We are facing a culture war between Western values (whatever THOSE might be) and Fundamental Islamist beliefs. The question is...how far will that war escalate?


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James-wolve 4 years ago from Morocco

As you said Middle east people do not think the same way we do and have a different view of the human life.That s why we should respect them and not try to impose on them our values or what we think is true.Difference and diversity is necessary in the world.Difference doesn t mean clash and wars.do you know why the Muslim world hate USA because its policy is biased only to one side and marginalizes and mutes other voices.We should let them alone, developing their own ways and values.If it is raining in New York doesnt mean that I have to use umbrella in Mecca.There r different weathers int world.


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perrya 4 years ago Author

Look, in the 21st century, the right wing Muslims and their extreme views on islam and their imposition on others in the faith is no different than a communist state, where the government forces all those under it to follow. Not all muslims accept the fact that women are second rate citizens, that stoning or beheadings is acceptable, that a woman must walk behind a man or cannot drive a car etc. These radicals always cite th Quran as their source of guidance to justify it. These passages written eons ago, no longer fit in a modern society. Yet, they force it upon others with threats and coercion.


Chris 4 years ago

I agree with James in a way. We probably should disengage from the Muslim countries. This of course would also mean an end to financial aid. The main issue would be the way they are dealt with when they pose a threat to us or our allies. For example, Israel, a U.S. ally, is prepared to attack Iran to prevent them from having nuclear weapons. A war between them would threaten shipping, damage our economy due to our need for oil, and probably force us to act. I also don't think we should abandon our allies. I'm not sure that the only time they should see us is when we are swarming out the sky to bomb them when needed, but that's an American way of looking at it.


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James-wolve 4 years ago from Morocco

Well,the two terms:Radicals and Moderates are coined by the West.Islam means Submission to the will of God and obedience to His law .According to the West eyes,Moderate Muslims are those who cheat,drink alcohol,have girl friends in other word inactive and less devout to the religion teachings. and Radicals are those who believe and practice Islam.Those who fight defending their lands against the external invasion.For example ,Hamas is called Radicals and terrorists because they fight against Israeli who took their land by force.Similarly,in the days of Roman Empire ,all the nation who resisted their rule were called Barbarians and cannibals.


Chris 4 years ago

James, also what would you do to deal with a country like Afghanistan. They were left alone after the Soviet withdrawal. What developed was the Taliban and a safe-haven for Al Quaeda that attacked us. The U.S. wanted blood in 2001. Should we have declared war on Afghanistan, destroyed the country, killed Bin Laden (it could and should have been done at Tora Bora), and come home with their country in ruins? I'm not saying that this would have been a bad alternative to the current situation, but it's not the American way.


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James-wolve 4 years ago from Morocco

personally,I don t believe there is something called Al Quaeda or Bin Laden.It s just a game played by USA to find a way to the East.Ben Laden was a card used in the time of Bush to accomplish the goals of some lobbies who pull the strings of the country and burnt in the Obama s presidency.so,the 9/11 attacks was an inside job.In the Kennedy s presidency,there was a plan to attack USA by Cuban s airplane but he refused,that was one reason among others which maybe lead to his assassination .In Clinton s period,there was a plan to attack Iraq but the Mr president was smart.in my personal opinion ,clinton was the greatest president of USA.


Chris 4 years ago

Oh, ok James. What about the Barbary Wars, America's first "War on Terror?"

What about the response to Jefferson's and Adam's question "concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury" to the Amabassador of Tripoli in 1785 in an attempt at avoid the First Barbary War.

Tripoli's Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman's answer was:

"It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise."

By the way, Morocco was also involved in this one in case you didn't know.


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James-wolve 4 years ago from Morocco

Ok,Chris.I am aware that there are some Muslims who are dishonest, unreliable, who cheat, kill. but the media projects this as though only Muslims are involved in such activities.There are black sheep in every community.If you want to judge how good is the latest model of the "Mercedes" car and a person who does not know how to drive sits at the steering wheel and bangs up the car, who will you blame? The car or the driver? But naturally, the driver. To analyze how good the car is, a person should not look at the driver but see the ability and features of the car. How fast is it, what is its average fuel consumption, what are the safety measures, etc. Even if I agree for the sake of argument that the Muslims are bad, we can’t judge Islam by its followers? If you want to judge how good Islaam is then judge it according to its authentic sources: Quran and Sahih Hadeeth.

Tripoli's Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman statement is his own interpretation of Quran.I wonder from where he picked up that??.There is No verse in Quran or Sahih Hadeeth which incites that.Besides,the statement was reported by Jefferson which might be a lie and according to the book:The Jefferson Lies: Exposing the Myths You’ve Always Believed about Thomas Jefferson by David Barton,Jefferson is a shrewd politician.He dressed up noble man in clothes to achieve his own goals .let me to illustrate an example here.It is an excerpt from a letter to William Henry Harrison, then Govenor of the Indiana Territory:

(To promote this disposition to exchange lands, which they have to spare and we want, for necessaries, which we have to spare and they want, we shall push our trading uses, and be glad to see the good and influential individuals among them run in debt, because we observe that when these debts get beyond what the individuals can pay, they become willing to lop them off by a cession of lands....)

This excerpt only scratches the surface of what Jefferson wanted in the still fledgling America's relationship with the aboriginal population.Similarly,They accused The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem,Haj al hussayni, of Nazism and being the architect of Holocaust but the fact is not true,I ve talked about this in my hub :the stereotype of Muslims and Arabs in the Western Popular culture,Movies and Mass Media.You can check that if you want.

Returning to the Barbary Wars,I would like to clarify something,the piracy was on everyone.Didnt you know that a PRINCE OF MOROCCO CAPTURED BY PIRATES OFF TANGIER AND SOLD IN GEORGIA ?Didnt you know that Morocco was the first country in the world which was the first to recognize the independence of United States of America and there were slave moors treated badly by their lords even if there was a Treaty of Peace and Friendship between two nations -which indicates that those moorish slaves should be treated differently but the American Lords didnt respect the special case,so don t blame the Muslims if they attacked american ships - before Barbary wars?

Mentioning the barbary wars doesnt give any excuses to the damages that USA caused in the Muslim world by the name of war on terror.Count the casualities of both sides throughout history.Which one is horrible and should be condemned??

Note:By the way we are friends and dont take my words as an offence.We are just discussing issues.


Chris 4 years ago

James, I also don't see you as my enemy. If you're ever in San Antonio, I'll take you out to lunch. I'll even skip my beer. What I would like to know is how do we solve the current crisis between the U.S. and Muslim countries? I read your previous post to another hub:

"This is what the West tries not to understand.To denigrate Islam and its prophet is unforgivable crime because religion is the main foundation of any given Muslim country. It is a permanent and fixed law that cannot be distorted, challenged or contested… Most importantly, Allah the Almighty enacted regulations, orders, and prohibitions in His book and in the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad. How can we be Muslims if we don’t respect that? and we wont be strong and more developed in every field if we don't follow Islam and its prophet.

More precisely , the status of Islam in every Muslim heart is not like the status of Christianity in every Christian heart.Islam is highly esteemed and honored."

Do you really want the U.S. to withdaw all aid and support to the Middle East. Also, what happens when a country like Iran pushes us to war?


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James-wolve 4 years ago from Morocco

No,I just want USA to be fair and neutral and to stop being biased to Israel side.I think that s what Arabs and Muslims don't like about America.Iran is an other card played by USA to scarecrow Arab nations.It s true there are mutual hostility between two sides but USA is the real one which control the game.It knows very well where to put the ball.USA is smarter in that square and they r watching out their steps because rightnow,if USA involves in any war,that would be the end of America.It is already exhausted and drained.Take into account what is happening now in Assyria and the ineptitude of Iraqi goverment.Remember that one of the main factors of the eclips of Soviet Union was the war against Afghanistan.That s why I say USA is smart and get the lesson.

BY the way thanks for invitation :)that would be great.You are so sweet:)


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perrya 4 years ago Author

well, the current mess was not just caused by a stupid, cheesy film made made a disgruntled Arab christian with revenge, it really is more about how the US has dealt with Arab nations and some leaders in the past. Very little to do with islam. Those in the streets are thugs, punks, angry citizens about their out life and using the film as an excuse to hate. Political parties are also using it to promote their anti-US agenda.


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one2get2no 4 years ago from Olney

I agree that the comments are better than the hub and that had interesting points. The debate is going nowhere fast as it revolves around the same old 'camp' ideologies. My personal opinion is that the whole thing is a choreographed event to ease the way for Israel to attack Iran.


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James-wolve 4 years ago from Morocco

Oh,Who told you they are thugs, punks, angry citizens and they use the film as an excuse to hate?were you in the streets,in the spotlights?or you just picked up this information from CNN,FOX,NEW YORK TIMES,..?The ones who are in the streets are

intellectuals,politicians,people from walk of life.Why do they have to wait an opportunity like this to show their hatred or Anti-america feelings till the broadcast of the movie?They have already hated America as I aforementioned because it is unbiased and support Israel from needle to the canon.

I think neither Israel nor America could attack Iran not because it is militarily powerful and could defeat them but because America would be stuck in the middle East and would never get out of the mud.Iran is not Iraq and the whole region is on the verge of explosion.


Paul 4 years ago

I see the film as an excuse for violence, not the cause. As far as people in the streets, I don't know their backgrounds and don't care. I do know that if a host nation fails to prevent people from breaching our embassy grounds, the U.S. Marines should shoot them dead.


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James-wolve 4 years ago from Morocco

Well, the US Marines was sent to Yemen to bolster security at the embassy and in part a precautionary measure.You should ask why Yemen exactly?not other countries especially Egypt or Libya where the US Ambassador was killed.


Paul 4 years ago

A 50 Marine FAST Team was sent to Libya and they are already in Egypt.


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James-wolve 4 years ago from Morocco

Apparently ,those who are in Libya are just for opening the investigations and those who are in Yemen are trying track down what they called Al Qaeda which they think was responsible for the killing of the Ambassador but really they are there for one reason :espionage.personaly,I dont think there s something called AL Qaeda.


Carl 4 years ago

No dude, the Marines were not deployed to Libya to conduct investigations. They were sent to make sure another group of Hajis can't conduct a repeat performance. The Marines in Yemen are also there to conduct security. The host nations in your neck of the woods seem unable/unwilling to provide adequate security.


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perrya 4 years ago Author

It is not secret that many of those in the streets are simply followers of those hating the US for whatever reason. The video only was the ignition for the tantrum. Many had not seen it, just heard and believed whatever they were told.


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James-wolve 4 years ago from Morocco

Carl,I think you are right.only what we have to do is wait and watch.The truth behind dispatching Marines to those areas will be exposed soon.


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James-wolve 4 years ago from Morocco

perrya,didn t Americans before believed that Iraq have weapons of mass destruction and supported Bush for destroying the whole nation?and before him,his father?how could Americans follow Bush blindly when he said there was COG and Magog in the Iraq and he was sent by GOD to eradicate and cleanse the Middle East from them?what were the consequences? 3 trillion dollars lost for nothing and about 600,000 innocent civilians were killed and each year about 3000 civilians are killed.


Carl 4 years ago

Iraq did have weapons of mass destruction. The question in 2003 was whether they still had them. People are still debating that. Were weapons shipped to Syria or Lebanon prior to the invasion? Are weapons buried in the desert? No one really knows.

As for the Bush administration. I don't think our ambassador in Libya would have been raped and killed under his watch. I know some will not agree with that and that's ok. We have freedom of speech in America and don't normally kill each other when someone disagrees with our personal beliefs. Crazy huh?

You're right about the wasted money. Nation building doesn't work on Muslim countries. Take a look at our adversaries from World War 2. Germany and Japan have some of the strongest economies in the world. Why, because of the U.S. The U.S. helped them to rebuild after their defeat. When we build schools and infrastructure for Muslims, they just blow the shit up. We should have killed Saddam, destroyed any Iraqi military wanting to fight, secured any possible WMD, and come home. We should have let them clean up the mess and assured them we would be back to beat them up again if needed.


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perrya 4 years ago Author

what is brewing in the middle east, including Iran, seems to be the beginning of what the book of revelations state as armageddon- nothing to worry about until Iran gets the nuclear bomb. Then, it starts. of course, an Israeli attack on iran would certainly speed up the process.


Carl 4 years ago

Well perrya, that would mean that Obama is the anti-Christ.


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James-wolve 4 years ago from Morocco

Carl,I will tell you why they attacked Iraq.As matter of fact,Iraq had one of the best educational performances in the region. Primary school Gross Enrollment Rate was 100% and literacy levels were high and developed also a Westernized system of sophisticated hospitals with advanced medical procedures, provided by specialist physicians.Taking this information into account would explain why Iraq was targeted by the West in the Gulf war.Iraq was the victim of the West conspiracy against the Arab world.They didn’t want any Arab country to develop and get out of the periphery of illiteracy, despotism and military and economy ineptitude and to become a threat to Israel. Many obstacles are made on the way to the advancement and many attempts are made nowadays to attack Islam and denigrate Arabs.They are trying to repeat the same scenario but the victim now is different and circumstances are not the same .returning to Iraq,in the 1980 Saddam pursued an extensive biological weapons program and a nuclear weapons program because as i said they had the best educational performances in the region , though no nuclear bomb was built and Saddam was internationally known for his use of chemical weapons against Iranian and Kurdish civilians during and after the Iran–Iraq War.this could lead us to put a question about an other possibility:Who put Sadam in the power .of course you know the answer:USA.are we wrong if we say according to this fact that those weapons were given by USA to destroy IRAN which became an islamic republic.Yesterday,they put Iraqains in the front to fight Iran but today who are they going to use to fight Iran.if they dont find any scapecoat.could Israel use USA or vice versa


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James-wolve 4 years ago from Morocco

USA didn't help Germany and Japan for heaven s sake.They benefited from that more than you think. West Germany and Japan were needed as fronts to stop the spreed of communism .Remember that the whole Eroupe can t defy or say no to USA because of the Marshal project.giving that as an example to show good and noble intentions of USA when they interfere in the Muslim world is not convincing.I suggest to read one of the discourse of John Kennedy before his assassination when he talked about the canker that was eating USA.

Note:I hope I m not offending here anyone.If I do please tell me


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upal19 4 years ago from Dhaka

One must have the freedom for expressing his opinions but the opinions should not be attacking to other religious people. I also believe it that if someone attacks me by his words I shouldn’t kill him. Making a film humiliating a prophet is so wrong. Mohammed was a prophet like other renowned prophets in the history. What Mohammed did? Beheading innocent people? No, not that. Mohammed fought against those who first attacked him only for preaching for one god. Mohammed never attacked aggressively one but when he was attacked by others he only defended himself. A religion can’t be spread by swords. If that happens then the religion must have vanished one day.

God believing people must agree it that there is only one god. Abraham, Moses, Adam and all other prophets taught this very thing. No prophets before Jesus foretold it that god has a begotten child who is to come. Mohammed denies admitting that Jesus is god’s son that’s why some people are trying to portraying Mohammed a bad person. Moses foretold it that a prophet like me would come from your brethren.

Jesus also is telling it in Bible that someone is coming after me. Who’s that? Isn’t he Mohammed? Mohammed preached the same thing what other prophets had preached earlier. So, what’s the wrong with Mohammed? Mohammed taught people to pray to god five times a day. World Muslims are doing that. Mohammed taught to fast one month a year to satisfy the very one god. Muslims are doing that. Islam has established the rules for women to protect them from their disgraceful position in the society. It is mandatory in Islam that all rich persons must give away some of their possessions to the poor. Mohammed was only a human being who reached god’s message to all human beings that’s why Muslims love him.


Jayfort 4 years ago

Perhaps we need greater self discipline and personal responsibility on ALL sides to self censor. Everyone should carefully consider what they say and do before saying and doing it. I'd rather we see that, instead of a loss of freedoms imposed by those who think they know better.

But asking for that is like asking for more COMMON sense. It is an oxymoron, because if it was truly COMMON, EVERYONE would have it instead of so few. There will always be those who will push other peoples buttons (on ALL sides) in order to get a reaction. In this case, I think greater self discipline and personal responsibility should be in how we respond to having our buttons pushed.


Paul 4 years ago

upal, freedom of speech as long as you don't say anything to offend someone is not freedom of speech. As for the rest of your rant about Mohammed, most of the world including me, don't see him as a prophet.

Also, what do you mean by Islam creating "rules for women to protect them from their disgraceful position in the society."


Jayfort 4 years ago

Yes, Upal, please explain your comment: "Islam has established the rules for women to protect them from their disgraceful position in the society."


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Meg Moon 4 years ago from United Kingdom

I would suspect Upal is refering to the horrendous way women were treated and viewed in Arabia before Muhammad and before Islam came along. They were seen as second class citizens, had no human rights, unlimited polygamy was commonplace and female infanticide was practised. The introduction of Islam elevated the status of women massively.


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ticktacktock 4 years ago from Serbia

Paul ,Truth is not cheap or easy to find,It will take one s guts and sometimes a life time to find .Most of the world are blind and lazy to move to search for the truth,I will give you some clues,maybe they would help.

Do you know that the current trinity is not different from the far eastern pagan religions?Some might say here that since most Christians today are "Trinitarians" or polytheist trinitarian pagans who believe that Jesus died on the cross for our sins, then this must mean that their religion is Divine and Truthful.according to the New Testament itself, trinitarians are actually false because they are the majority and they are the "blind" ones. Let us look at the following verses:

Matthew 15:9

9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Matthew 7:22-23

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

It is also important to know that the earth's population is around 7.0 billion people, half of which are far-eastern pagans. Not only that, but their pagan religions (buddhism, hinduism, shintos,..) date 1000s of years back. This means that many billions of humans have already been doomed in Hell because of their paganism. Yet, they are the majority!

So now are they truthful because they're the overwhelming majority in numbers? and does your saying :most of the world including me, don't see him as a prophet makes any sense ??


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upal19 4 years ago from Dhaka

Thank you Meg. You answered partially on behalf of me. First I’ll talk to Paul. Do you believe that all other prophets are prophets except Mohammed? Please answer it. It is true that most of the world population is not Muslim. So, they don’t need to admit Mohammed as a prophet.

Women were really in disgraceful position in that time in Arabia. They used to burry female infants alive. Birth of a female child was treated as inauspicious. Women had no status in the then society. There were no inheritance rules for the women. One person could marry as many as he could. Female slaves were forced to prostitution for their masters’ benefit.

It is Islam established rules for women to protect them from male dominating cruel society. In Islam, a daughter lawfully inherits her dead father or mother’s possessions. As well as she inherits her dead husband’s possessions. A Muslim man must pay dowry to his bride. In Islam, men and women are equal in dignity as human beings.

The Qur'an is condemning the feelings of shame of a father at the birth of a girl and said "He hideth himself from the folk because of the evil of that whereof he hath had tidings, (asking himself): Shall he keep it in contempt, or bury it beneath the dust. Verily evil is their judgment" (Qur'an 16:58-59).

“And when the female (infant) buried alive – is questioned, for what crime she was killed.” (Quran 81:8-9).

“From what is left by parents and those nearest related there is a share for men and a share for women, whether the property be small or large,-a determinate share.”

“Prohibited to you (For marriage) are:- Your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters, Mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers (Who gave you suck), foster-sisters; your wives' mothers; your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom ye have gone in,- no prohibition if ye have not gone in;- (Those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past; for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful”

Mr. Paul, There are more on women in Quran and hadith. You don’t see him as prophet. Well, don’t you see that Islam is the most disciplined religion on the earth? If he is not a prophet then he is a first class liar. Is it possible for a liar to establish the most disciplined religion on the earth? One lies for the betterment of himself. Did Mohammed establish a dynasty? There are always some crazy people everywhere. Do you think that all the Muslim people are crazy?


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perrya 4 years ago Author

There was an interview with a Muslim woman in Libya after the murder of the US ambassador. Basically, she said she felt ashamed to be Muslim and what happened is not Islam and she apologized greatly for the extremists who claim to be following islam. She was in tears because the US had helped Libya so much. She is what I call a brave Muslim, a moderate one, a person who lives in today, not some tribal era. There should be many more of them voicing their disgrace with extremists.


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ticktacktock 4 years ago from Serbia

perrya,If she felt ashamed to be Muslim,she is not Muslim.All the Muslims that I know are proud of being Muslims.,That Muslim woman you are talking about her words maybe were mistranslated in English.send us what she said in Arabic,I ll translate it to you in English.Don t follow what CNN or FOX...report.

Now,you make it clear in your comment above that moderate Muslim is the one who is ashamed of Islam,the one who sit idle when Islam was attacked and maybe you say that Hamas or any group who defend their lands are terrorists.


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James-wolve 4 years ago from Morocco

one thing that most people don t know is that the West didnt give rights to women but women took them by force.


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James-wolve 4 years ago from Morocco

in the West, which claims to be the standard-bearer of women’s right, only until a few decades ago women had no status. Despite raising slogans of liberation for women, even today, the well-educated people of the West oppose women attaining key positions. For example, in the recent American presidential elections, excuses were presented against a potential woman candidate, declaring: how could a woman be the President of USA? They later did their best to cover up this impression but a large part of the American population is not ready for a woman president. Apparently, America is a developed country and is said to be broadminded about freedom and civil rights, but even they could not stand the idea that a woman should be their president and leader of the country.

Islamic teachings are unambiguous. If women are precluded from doing certain jobs, this is not because they are deemed incapable or because their rights are being compromised, but because God has divided the duties between men and women. Some roles are better suited to men and others to women; nevertheless as far as the rights are concerned they are equal. The history of pre-Islamic Arabia shows that women were treated in an appalling manner. Similar attitudes were prevalent in the Western civilisation and to some extent even now: if men can get away with it, they treat women badly. That is why domestic unhappiness and divorce rates are high.


James 4 years ago

Great, a Serb and a Moroccan Muslim teaching us about women's and human rights. I'm calling shenanigans on this one.


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ticktacktock 4 years ago from Serbia

That s all??is that all what you got in your brain??


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perrya 4 years ago Author

How absurb that God told Mohammed or Jesus what jobs a woman could do or not do. I can just hear god say, " a woman will show men respect by walking behind them". Muslims confuse local customs with Islam. That explains why there are differences between countries that are Muslim. As to the Libyan woman, she spoke English, no translation need. She is a brave Muslim.


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James-wolve 4 years ago from Morocco

I agree with you that some Muslims in some Muslim countries ignorantly think that some costumes are part of Islam .There is difference between confusion and ignorance.


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James-wolve 4 years ago from Morocco

could you put that link about that woman here please or where can I find it


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perrya 4 years ago Author

It was an interview on one of the news programs


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James-wolve 4 years ago from Morocco

What s the title of the show and on which channel ?Maybe ,I would find it on net.


James 4 years ago

Shenanigans I tell you!


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unleashedtech 4 years ago

to the great author u really think so

try insulting some else religion n then u will see

then one who does not care for what he belief what u think he would be caring of ???


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perrya 4 years ago Author

@unleashed- have no clue what u tried to say


Kfir 4 years ago

@Perrya, I think unleashed needs to latch on to a grammar textbook. In the first half on his nonsense, he seems to think that other religions would act the same way if insulted (just a guess). Muslims insult Jews everyday. If Jews reacted like Muslims, there wouldn't be any Muslims in the Middle East. The Israelis would have exterminated them.


Kfir 4 years ago

I think this video may give our Muslim friends a better idea about how Americans feel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WaouhYYEQg

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