Are There Many Gods As Religions Or Is There Just One God? Some Personal Thoughts

A Foreword

I had not the slightest inkling that I would be writing something about religion or God when I got up this morning. As usual, I made my way to the questions' section wanting to put a question myself. But before I could type my question I found this question open for answers. I went to the question, read all the answers that were there by other hubbers and then stopped to post my answer.

But as I typed thoughts started flowing in and by the time I had the answer done it was almost half the length of this hub. I had no option but to go for this hub and I'm glad and thankful to the Almighty to have given me the strength to complete this hub.

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Some Points To Make


First off, I would like to say this write up was a spontaneous one written in answer to the question :

"Is the God of the Bible, the same as the God of the Koran, and Bhagavad-Gita and If there is one God, why so many different "scriptures". Why not just one book that tells the entire history of planet Earth and the entire cosmos?" asked by Darrell Roberts.

Second, the views and opinions expressed in this hub are solely mine and have no other connotations implicitly or explicitly.

And,

Third, but not the least, I am in no way a learned man in the context of religious scriptures. All that has been written comes straight from the heart as well as what, The Divine being, in His Benediction at this moment, is sending to me to be penned down.
Also, this writing is influenced by what I know of my religion and have read and heard about other faiths.

Again, at the expense of being repetitive, may I offer my regrets for any lack of foresight or oversight that may have occurred inadvertently and in the process hurt the feelings of a fellow human being.


Reflections About God


I think and believe there is just one God.

All the others, who came on this earth from time to time, were just Prophets, Avatars, Devis, Devas, Deities or Enlightened souls.

Even Jesus said, He was Son Of God and not God Himself.

If one thinks of God as omnipresent, omnipotent and the Creator of all that there is in this universe and beyond, then there is no doubt that no one could have made Him meaning He is unborn, was never born, is Eternal, from the before the advent of time to after, what time in our perception is, the end of time or existence of all that can be seen. He is the source and end of everything. He is the creator and the destroyer.

Now, as to why, there are so many scriptures?

By definition, Scriptures are Sacred writings, Holy books or Religious texts. Like the Bible is the Holy Scripture of the Christians, the Holy Quran of the Muslims, The Guru Granth Sahib of the Sikhs, The Vedas, Upanishads & Bhagvad Gita of the Hindus. Similarly other faiths or religions have their own religious texts or holy books. As everyone knows, different holy men came on this earth, at different time periods. There were different situations existing in the world or at least where these holy men came to be at these different times. These are reflected in the different accounts in many holy scriptures too.

Also, these holy scriptures were not written by the One God that we talk about rather were utterances by either Enlightened souls or Prophets or written by some Divinely inspired writers. These are the words of God as received by them and conveyed exactly in the form of these sacred writings called Holy scriptures.


The Ending Words


I would like to end this write up by quoting something from the Sikh Scriptures - The Guru Granth Sahib, the Holy book of the Sikhs.

The 1st verse starts off with:

In Gurmukhi (Punjabi) ;

ੴ, ਸਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ, ਕਰਤਾ ਪੁਰਖੁ, ਨਿਰਭਉ, ਨਿਰਵੈਰੁ, ਅਕਾਲ ਮੂਰਤਿ, ਅਜੂਨੀ, ਸੈਭੰ ,ਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

and I write it in English as;

EK ONG KAR, SAT NAM, KARTA PURKH, NIRBHAO, NIRVAIR, AKAL MOORT, AJUNI, SAI BHANG, GUR PRASAD

And the meaning is ;

One God, the true name, the creator, without fear, without hatred, timeless, free from the cycle of births and deaths, self-existent, made known by the Guru.

This is the mool mantra or the root statement Of Sikhism.
The mool mantra was the voice of God through the 1st Sikh Guru, Guru Nanak Dev Ji and was the 1st verse that he uttered when Enlightenment dawned on him.

This, in essence, also states what other prophets or Enlightened souls have said in their lifetime and that is :

They are not God ; God is just one!


A Request

This write up is the author's own viewpoint and in no way implies any religion to be above the other.

Comments are enabled again from March 18, 2013, with a request to readers that this is not a battlefield. Please refrain from slandering any religion.

Religions by themselves are not big or small. It is the mentality of a person who judges one religion as being better than the other which is to be questioned and not the religion itself.

The point of views expressed here are the reader's own and expressing it does not imply that he looks down on other religions as being inferior.

© 2012 Rajan Singh Jolly

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MickeySr 4 years ago from Hershey, Pa.

"Even Jesus said, He was Son Of God and not God Himself"

There is frequently debate over who Jesus said He was, if He ever claimed to be God, if "son" indicates He was not God, etc, etc. All the discussion becomes rather elementary though when we consider who those who heard Him understood Him to be identifying Himself as - He was arrested and executed because the religious leaders understood that He was proclaiming Himself to be God . . . the one true God, the God of Abraham.

Jesus called Himself the Son of God, but said that He and His Father are one . . . not 'one' in some vague religious sense of 'all things being one', etc, but 'one' in that He is not a part of creation but is the Creator Himself. He also clarified His assertion that He is God when He said directly that others who have, do, or will say they are God are deceivers, that God is one and that the one God who is God is Him, the God of Abraham.

Everyone can (of course) believe whatever they prefer to believe . . . I believe that Jesus of Nazareth is God, the only God and creator of all that exists - but whatever we do or do not believe to be the truth, we can't change that facts of what the Bible does and does not say, and it clearly presents Jesus as the incarnate divine being, creator of all, and the one true God.


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rajan jolly 4 years ago from From Mumbai, presently in Jalandhar,INDIA. Author

MickeySr, I respect your point of view. Thanks for reading and commenting.


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manatita44 4 years ago from london

It is a well-written and useful article, Rajan. I don't normally travel down this road though. My friends would say, "Manatita, why worry about a transcendental question? You know what you have to do, just get on with it."

This question of a God-Man or the descent of God in human form has persisted for centuries. To many, Sri Krishna is their God, and yet again to others, Jesus the Christ is also God. All about view points really. Can the Unmanifest become Manifest or the Formess take a Form?

Can the Absolute project Itself from the Great Silence to what we know as the Universe with Its silence, noise, time and form? Recent Souls such as Sri Ramakrishna and Sri Chinmoy say yes.

The Avatar, or the Unmanifest made Manifest, is the descent of God in human form. The Formless becomes the Form hence Christ is God, and Krishna is also God . Still, they are like Giant waves in the same Ocean. They make a greater stir, but they are still water, still the Ocean Itself. What they do not lose is their individuality. This is what makes you different from me, and me from you.

Schools of thought vary. There are those, who, rightly so, would accept only the Impersonal and then others the Personal. Yet the third group, and the modern saints are in that group, say we need both, for both are part and parcel of the whole.

It is rather like saying that Maya - illuson - is unreal and the world is real, or the dream is false and the waking state is real, but essentially they both need each other, and are essential pieces in the plan of life. Not different, still One.

Christ is God. Krishna is God. Yet God is always One. Christ is Spirit, Krishna is Spirit. Yet Spirit is always Spirit. Form is Form, Emptyness is Emptyness, yet Emptyness is Form and Form is Emptyness. Revelation comes only through the unfolding of our Concsiousness or Spirit. Not through intellect. Hope this helps.


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rajan jolly 4 years ago from From Mumbai, presently in Jalandhar,INDIA. Author

Very well said, manatita. I very well agree with you that intellect or education has nothing to do with the realization of God as innumerable examples in history are there as proof. This revelation or realization is independent of anything and everything except for faith in His existence.

Those who have realized God become God like in essence and rise above the human qualities. They are immune to the normal human emotions of joy, sadness, pain, suffering, insult, praise and the many other like emotions. These are the enlightened souls who on the one hand live in this world but are disconnected from it, in the material sense. They have attained a state of super consciousness as I see it.

Thanks for your wonderful comments.


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carol7777 4 years ago from Arizona

What an interesting hub and enjoyed reading your point of view of God and man. However we pray and to whomever is a personal choice that we are blessed with in this country. Being a good person and kind is the best way we an express ourselves.


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manatita44 4 years ago from london

My pleasure. keep up the good Hubs.


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rajan jolly 4 years ago from From Mumbai, presently in Jalandhar,INDIA. Author

Thanks manatita. Loving all creatures made by God is the biggest religion. Thanks for stopping by. Much appreciated.


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rajan jolly 4 years ago from From Mumbai, presently in Jalandhar,INDIA. Author

Absolutely and I concur with your views. Religion and views about God is a very personal choice. Being human is what counts ultimately.

Many thanks for visiting carol. Much appreciated.


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tillsontitan 4 years ago from New York

I thought this was a great hub Rajan and I agree (my opinion), there is only one God. Call him (or her) what you may, Yahweh, Jehovah, Brahma, Allah....all different names for one God. "The creator ...source and end of everything."

Voted this hub up and interesting.


tigresosal 4 years ago

Although I am an atheist by choice, I am really interested in the issue of beliefs and how logically people of different beliefs assert their issue of identity. A wonderful hub very nicely put logic within the framework of belief. Glad that I got an opportunity to read your hub.


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billybuc 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

I will leave the theology to much smarter people. all know is quality hubs and this is a quality hub! Excellent job my friend!


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rajan jolly 4 years ago from From Mumbai, presently in Jalandhar,INDIA. Author

@ tillsontitan - I absolutely agree. Thank you for an excellent comment.

@tigresol - Thank you for your supportive comment.

@ Bill - Thank you so much for your understanding.


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manatita44 4 years ago from london

Nice bunch of Hubbers, Ranjan. . All nice people. I commend you there


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rajan jolly 4 years ago from From Mumbai, presently in Jalandhar,INDIA. Author

Yes, I agree manatita. All good hubbers, individuals with views of their own but supportive of the others' views. I'm so glad and thankful for such a fine bunch of friends. My sincere thanks to all these friends and you too my friend.


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Mama Kim 8 4 years ago

I wish more people thought the way you do. Instead of fighting over whos religion or God is right, we could notice what is similar between our religions. Theres a common goal of being good people and kind to one another. The golden rule, and yet people of every religion tend to forget then proceed to start wars in the name of religion. I can't help but feel God may be disappointed in us. Voted up and interesting. Thanks for another great hub Rajan!


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Patty Kenyon 4 years ago from Ledyard, Connecticut

Voted Up, Awesome, and Interesting!!! Religion is very hard to write about because many people have so many different views. You handled this subject Amazingly!!! AWESOME JOB!!!


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Ruchira 4 years ago from United States

well said indeed. beautiful hub, rajan!

Religions are man made but the almighty is still known as one!!

voted up as interesting!


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eHealer 4 years ago from Las Vegas

Rajan, a true writer desires to share his or her ideas with others in the written word, and your revelation is the exact definition. Very cool hub and thank you for letting us in to see the mind of Rajan. Sharing is truly a writer's gift. Thanks!


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Gypsy Rose Lee 4 years ago from Riga, Latvia

Voted up and awesome. Inspirational and thought provoking. I believe there is one God. He is the one we should look to for guidance. There are many different types of faith. If it gives comfort to one to follow their own faith why not? But the Lord is one. Passing this on.


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Mark Knowles 4 years ago

There is a far simpler explanation here. There is no such thing as a god. This is why there are so many religious texts that contradict each other. And - even when reading the bible - no one can agree what it says.

I prefer the most simple explanation whenever possible. "No god" is the most simple explanation. Less divisive as well. This is why the Buddha said there is no god.


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rcrumple 4 years ago from Kentucky

Five decades ago, at a little country church in Indiana, it was easy to believe one direction. As time has passed and communication with the world and it's ideas is at our fingertips, questions were raised. Is or was there ever a God? Is religion just a tool created by those who rule to keep the lower classes satisfied and controllable? Where do the laws of evolution and God's laws cross, if at all?

I think a person has to search their heart for the answer. As each is an individual, each will find their answer somewhat unique.

Very Thought Provoking! Up & Interesting


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rajan jolly 4 years ago from From Mumbai, presently in Jalandhar,INDIA. Author

Mama Kim - We are doing the very opposite of what religion stands for & that is loving our fellow human beings. We are developing hatred and waging wars instead. It is about time that we realize that hatred has no place in any religion, only love has.

Thanks for your wonderful comment.


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rajan jolly 4 years ago from From Mumbai, presently in Jalandhar,INDIA. Author

Patty, I wrote what I feel inside. Thanks for putting your views here.


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rajan jolly 4 years ago from From Mumbai, presently in Jalandhar,INDIA. Author

Very true Ruchira. God never made religion. He just made human beings and all of us rich or poor, black or white, learned or not feel the same emotions of pain, happiness, despair, sorrow, hunger, thirst equally.

Thanks for reading.


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rajan jolly 4 years ago from From Mumbai, presently in Jalandhar,INDIA. Author

ehealer, what I wrote is what I believe and is my personal opinion. Likewise everyone has his personal view point. Since I respect others point of view, there's no clash here.

I appreciate your liking the hub. thank you.


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rajan jolly 4 years ago from From Mumbai, presently in Jalandhar,INDIA. Author

ehealer, what I wrote is what I believe and is my personal opinion. Likewise everyone has his personal view point. Since I respect others point of view, there's no clash here.

I appreciate your liking the hub. thank you.


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rajan jolly 4 years ago from From Mumbai, presently in Jalandhar,INDIA. Author

Absolutely correct Gypsy. God is one and how benevolent of him to allow each one of us to do what we feel is good, to choose our paths, to choose our faith. I always believe the different faiths are liking different routes leading to one destination-the one God.

So all religions are good. Thanks for visiting.


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rajan jolly 4 years ago from From Mumbai, presently in Jalandhar,INDIA. Author

Mark, thanks for sharing your viewpoint. Appreciate your visit.


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rajan jolly 4 years ago from From Mumbai, presently in Jalandhar,INDIA. Author

rcrumple, each one of us has to search for the answer in our hearts. Belief comes from the inside.

Thanks for such fine comments.


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MickeySr 4 years ago from Hershey, Pa.

rajan ~ because we understand that everyone has the right to believe whatever they choose to believe, some think it rude or intolerant when someone offers a view that disagrees with another's view - but only if it really, actually disagrees. If someone believes in Buddha but they believe Buddha is one way to God and so is Krishna ans Jesus, etc, and another person believes in Krishna but they think Krishna is just one way to God and so is Buddha and Jesus and Allah, etc, then they are both believing the same thing and everyone's ok with that - but if someone believes differently, if they don't believe all religions are paths to God and that Buddha & Allah, etc, are merely men's made-up ideas and that there is one true God, then sometimes these folks are counted as being rude & intolerant.

I don't say this as an accusation against anyone commenting here, only as a prelude to my comments . . . tolerance isn't tolerance at all if it's only applied to people we essentially agree with, tolerance is actual tolerance when it's applied top those who see things differently than we do. And my point here is, what you are presenting is the opposite of what Jesus presented as the truth - that, of course is fine, you don't have to be a disciple of Jesus or a student of the Bible, but you can't reasonably include Christianity in your 'all religions are one and lead to the same God' idea.

When you assert that God is benevolent to allow us to do what we feel is good, to choose our own path, this may be concordant with many of the world's religions, but it is the opposite of what Jesus taught . . . left to ourselves, to do what we think is good, to not follow the one true path that God has provided, this is why the world is in such a miserable state.

When you say "Being human is what counts ultimately", again this is just the opposite of what Jesus taught - He said being human is insufficient to know God, that we must be born not only human but born a second time, born of the Spirit . . . Jesus' message was exactly that being human is not what ultimately counts.

When you assert that when we "realized God" we rise above the human component of emotion, that we no longer feel joy and sadness, etc, again, this is not at all what the God of Abrahan calls us to - He made us and is perfecting us, we are made to feel joy and sadness, and when we know Him and are filled with His very Spirit, we feel joy and sadness, etc, as we rightly should.

When you say that different faiths are like different routes leading to the one God, again, this is the exact opposite of what Jesus taught - He said we are not to follow any other path, that all other paths are deceptions, that He alone is the only true path . . . this isn't ugly Christianity thinking we're the only ones God really loves, this isn't a skewered church arrogance, this is exactly what the text states.

So, your notion that all religions are good is one view, and (sadly) many who identify themselves as Christians adopt this view as well - but there is another view, the historic biblical Christian view, the view of Jesus of Nazareth and it just doesn't at all fit within the idea of many paths to one God - the whole point of the Bible is THE path, the way being prepared and then the coming of Jesus, THE path, and the accomplishment of His atonement . . . it's not about trying your best, being sincere, or being really really good - the whole point of this view is the path, Jesus. So this path, the one god one path idea, can't be included in the many path one God religion of men . . . this is where tolerance must be exercised, when there is an actual and vivid disagreement.


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rajan jolly 4 years ago from From Mumbai, presently in Jalandhar,INDIA. Author

MickeySr, this is just my view point and not the viewpoint of any religion in particular. Thanks for your feedback.


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MickeySr 4 years ago from Hershey, Pa.

Yes, I understand that - but what you are expressing is common to religion generally and to most religionists. I'm not trying to be contrary, I'm only wanting to share (since you mentioned Jesus a few times as included among the world's religions) that historic Biblical Christianity presents a wholly opposite idea than what man's religion offers. Whether it's you advancing your own personal beliefs or if it's any of the major religions of the world, it's all God & eternity & truth from man's perspective and imagination - God & eternity & truth from God's perspective (in other words real truth) is expressed not in our own scratching at spiritual ideas but in Jesus of Nazareth & God's own word.

Religion is not the same thing as revelation . . . religion is us trying to figure things out - revelation is God telling us what is true.


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Mark Knowles 4 years ago

SMickeySr - what you seem to be saying is that God is not tolerant of religion and Christianity is not really a religion. Christianity offers real truth, whereas all other perspectives are man's religion?

Did I get that correct?


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MickeySr 4 years ago from Hershey, Pa.

Mark ~ pretty much, yes. Of course, it all rests on how we understand and use terms - I'm suggesting that 'religion' is man's attempts to discover & appease some notion of God, and that all men's religions share some basic notions . . . and these notions, the ideas formulated into doctrine, ritual, and an ethic are contrary to what historic Biblical Christianity presents as the truth. For me, this circumstance counts as an evidence of the validity of Christianity's claim as the one true way to God.

I say "evidence of the validity", it doesn't prove anything, but I personally think that if every religion the world has produced share some core ideas about God, and Christianity alone asserts ideas that are just the opposite, then either God is speaking to men through all religions except Christianity or or God is speaking to men and that revelation is Christianity and men outside of Christianity have concocted their own notions about God. I regard religion to be men's attempt to find God - I believe Christianity is God's revealing Himself to man.

And let me be clear; my point in introducing this distinction is not merely cheering myself on and asserting 'my religion is better than your religion' - my point is only to present the reality that there is a commonality to all men's religions and that Christianity runs counter to that commonality.


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Mark Knowles 4 years ago

Odd because it sounds like you are claiming your religion is better. I agree with you by the way - your irrational, man-made religion does indeed run counter to most peaceful religions. This is why your religion disgusts me so much I guess.

Seeing as your god does not exist - it makes it a pretty divisive, war mongering religion. If that is your "evidence,"- clearly your religion has no validity whatsoever.


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jainismus 4 years ago from Pune, India

Probably there is no God or Gods. If there was, then all the religions had a uniform concept about it. But as we know there are some religions who do not believe in God at all, and those who believe fight with one another.


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rajan jolly 4 years ago from From Mumbai, presently in Jalandhar,INDIA. Author

Thanks for your input and visit Mahavir.


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MickeySr 4 years ago from Hershey, Pa.

Mark ~ I don't want to confiscate rajan's hub's comments section to proceed with a back-and-forth with you one this, but I will say this; much of what is identified today as 'Christianity' I would agree presents little evidence of divine origin, but consider this when asserting Christianity as "war mongering" - within the general community called 'Christendom' there has always been an authentically Christian fellowship, and historically they have built orphanages & hospitals, instigated prison reforms and treated convicts with the respect all men deserve, raised the station of women, introduced the idea of free public schools for all (not just the 'entitled'), introduced the concepts of insurance and unions (to protect the welfare of those under hardship), etc, etc.

There is an ancient document extant wherein an Asia Minor Roman governor seeking advice on recognizing Christians so as to arrest them, is instructed by a Roman official that he will recognize the Christians in his jurisdiction by this common characteristic - they care for the widows and orphans of even those who persecute them.

Mark, this was no power-play, no conniving to control a people, no self-righteous pretense, no emotionally based religious fervor, etc - this was common folks putting themselves at great risk to practice love toward others . . . these were people filled with God's own Spirit.


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MickeySr 4 years ago from Hershey, Pa.

jainismus ~ "Probably their is no God or Gods. If there was, then all the religions had a uniform concept about it."

Or, men would have come-up with a multitude of different religions and God's true faith would be amongst all those religions that man has concocted . . . and if this were the case, then all religions (being contrived by man) would share certain (man-centered) core notions and the one true faith from God would stand alone as presenting wholly different ideas - and that is just the circumstance with all the world's religions and Christianity.


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Mark Knowles 4 years ago

No - I get it Mickey - you genuinely believe yours is the only religion of any worth, and the people who have done good things with the money they stole and plundered in God's name are better than anyone else. I get it - worry not.

The fact that you don't understand that this is self righteous war mongering which is intended to demonstrate your superiority is the reason I despise your religion.

Please add 10 links to independent authorities where this "ancient document" has been verified to exist. And tell me where these wonderful people vanished to. Were all the good christians murdered hundreds of years ago perhaps?

Your vehement defense of your irrational religion is typical of the type of behavior "typical" christians display and does not help your argument of "divine origin."

I am also well aware that Christianity has been spread by indoctrinating children in schools.

If christians actually demonstrated the type of behavior you describe - I would have no issue. But - as you agree - much of what is ACTUALLY displayed by self-professed christians does not suggest a divine origin.


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MickeySr 4 years ago from Hershey, Pa.

Mark, I hope you can recognize that you rely on well-regulated, handed down from others, pat answers to support your emotional disposition as much as I assume you fault religionists with doing. To counter the historic reality of Christians feeding the hungry and caring for widows & orphans, etc, etc, with "money they stole and plundered" is a pretty lame attempt to discredit something you've determined to hold in contempt before considering.

Certainly Rome, and many other religionists, have collected for themselves ludicrous wealth on the backs of those in genuine need - but it's observably unseemly to slander the work of others who have sacrificed much to provide aid to others . . . Mark, it's an examinable truth, throughout history there have always been some within Christendom who were authentic Christians and who were not plundering what belonged to others but were giving what they had to others. The fact that we so easily see the hypocrites while the genuine are busy in their work does not mean all there are are hypocrites.

When you say "Your vehement defense of your irrational religion", again, I hope you can recognize that your response can just as rightly be cast as "Your vehement defense of your irrational treatment of the historic record" and that when you call my behavior "typical" for a Christian I hope you understand that your behavior is the same "typical" responses so common to anti-Christianity materialist . . . I would even be so bold to advance, so very common to anti-Christianity materialists who were raised Roman Catholic . . ?

Consider just this one point that comes to my mind; local congregations I've been a part of regularly get calls from strangers, in their community or passing through . . . car repairs, heating oil, food, etc, etc, when people are in need, for some reason many turn to a local church asking for help - why would that be, were would they get such a notion? If Christians have historically been those who steal and plunder and abuse the poor for their own interests, why would so many so commonly imagine that it is the church who might care and provide them aid? That notion comes from somewhere, it's based on something.

You're passing on the same common and lame misreading of the historic record that has now become broadly accepted - if you think Christians rewrite history and leave out the bits about how ugly religionists have been you need to likewise acknowledge that materialist practice their own form of rewriting history to comfortably support their already determined notions . . . I know that many within Christendom ignore, hide, or recast their wrongdoings - do you understand that much of what you guys advance as evidence against Christianity is a twisted rewrite of the historic record as well?


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Mark Knowles 4 years ago

Sorry Mickey - no - I have done my own research, and my pointing out the hypocrisy of your religion and explaining why I despise it is not the same as your defense of your ridiculous beliefs.

Yes - the defense that the church was the place to get aid is based on the fact that the church was the only institution left standing after murdering and destroying the opposition.

*clap, clap, clap*

Well done. You are more righteous than the others. I am not passing the same lame reading - I have done my research.

You have this desperate need to defend your religion in the face of proven facts simply because you are so self righteous. This is why your religion disgusts me so. The 2% of givers does not make up for the 98% of takers - sorry. Your religion is a blight on our society.

Twisted rewrite? Dear me no. Sorry - let me know when you have done some actual research instead of swallowing the kool aid. I spent a goodly part of my childhood behind the closed doors of the CoE and I know of what I speak. Your faith based defense is rather sad.


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MickeySr 4 years ago from Hershey, Pa.

"You have this desperate need to defend your religion in the face of proven facts simply because you are so self righteous . . . let me know when you have done some actual research instead of swallowing the kool aid"

To me, your above remarks come close to discrediting you as a reasonable, astute, and honest reader of history - how can the interpretation of the historic record you present be thoughtfully considered when you demonstrate yourself to be so observably ill-informed and willing to offer your own assumptions as accusations against someone you don't even know? Mark, I don't know you, and I know I don't know you . . . I make no assumptions about you, I respond to what it is you present here, to the ideas being examined - for you to assert to someone you don't know at all that they are "desperate", that they have "shallowed Kool Aid", and that they are "so self-righteous", etc, glaringly advances the suspicion that you likely treat history with a similar bias and grudge-driven superficial attention.

I am not "desperate need to defend your religion" at all - I am not the desperate type, I wasn't defending anything I was (and nothing at all that was mine) I was providing a more accurate account of history than you were presenting, and I am not at all religious . . . I, in fact, count religion to be the most evil thing man has yet devised. And ve swallowed no one's Kool Aid - I am my disposition more than cynical, I am a relentless iconoclast . . . I was not raised in any church, there was no religious factor in my home whatsoever, I enjoyed history and philosophy and started reading on my own (under no one's care or instruction) in my mid/late teens . . . I read from any and every corner of the world's ideas. You have no clue who I am or what kind of individual I am or what my experience in life has been, etc - yet you make assertion after assertion with an arrogant surety . . . as I said, I would not trust your assertions regarding the historic record as you have demonstrated yourself willing to offer such an ill-informed and ludicrously inaccurate interpretation of other matters, namely, me.

"I spent a goodly part of my childhood behind the closed doors of the CoE . . . The 2% of givers does not make up for the 98% of takers"

Whatever the percentages you've personally bumped into work-out to demonstrate to you is more a commentary on your own childhood experience under the care of the Church Of England than it is evidence of the validity, or not, of the historic points I've shared here. I'm not talking about whatever you personally interpret to be the 100% of or within Christendom to be - I'm talking about your 2%, or whatever we want to identify authentic Christianity to be . . . I am saying that within religious Christendom there is and always has been a spiritually vital and genuine Christianity. That, not the Church Of England, not Baptists, not Methodists, not Fundamentalists, etc, etc, is what I am talking about."

I hear your claims, but I would encourage you to read history a bit more carefully and honestly - you know, when Rome (not Christianity, but popes) were inflicting Crusades on the world, there were some who would not participate and who stood against them - they were called Christians. (read history, not other's interpretation of history; do you know that the Crusaders did not exclusively assault the Muslim world - many Christian communities, castles, lands, etc, were just as brutalized as their Muslim counterparts. These were secular wars for domain and loot, they were not 'holy' wars or Christian wars at all.


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rajan jolly 4 years ago from From Mumbai, presently in Jalandhar,INDIA. Author

Mark & Mickey Sr, thank you.

Sorry guys I've no option but to close the comments box for this hub.


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jainismus 3 years ago from Pune, India

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

If there is a God, why every religion have a different definitions? If every religion has a different God/s and if everything happens according to the wish of God, isn't God/s responsible for the fights between religions, nations and people? If there is God, why the concept of God is limited to religions?


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Steel Engineer 3 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine

Many religions claim to have the truth. God proved He has power over death when He raised Jesus from the dead, proving His words. The Bible contains not just the history of men who believed God- and were blessed, not just men who rebelled against God's wisdom- and were cursed. The Bible also tells us the future.

The Bible tells that people will have their heads cut off because they refuse to deny Jesus (Revelation ch. 20). Jesus also warned that people would come to kill those who believed in Him, thinking they did God a service. But, Jesus said, they really do so because "they never knew God."

If the Bhagavad Gita teaches about more than one God, it is false. If it doesn't point to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, it is false.

Every prophet of God warned of coming destruction- because God was replaced with lasciouvessness and idol worship. AND every one of them, ALL of them, prophesied about Jesus. NOT Mohammed.

Islam glorifies Mohammed, and says Jesus is of lower caste.

I'll let you answer for yourself. If ALL the prophets of God could heal, tell the future, and perform acts of power (by the Holy Spirit, vouching for their words), is a man with ZERO healings of the same line?

What about a man who not only rejects Jesus, but started a religion that denies Jesus died on the cross. Is it spreading the truth?

Here is one more test: God Almighty said He blesses nations that love Him with wealth, green fields and love; He said he curses those that reject him with war, internal strife, and will turn their land into sand.

Given God's words, which nations love the God who can enforce such a proclamation, and which nations are cursed because they do NOT love God, but have instead, something else?

Answer for yourself.


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rajan jolly 3 years ago from From Mumbai, presently in Jalandhar,INDIA. Author

@Mahavir- God has given man a mind so that he can differentiate between right & wrong so man is responsible for all that he does. Also, all that he does is due to the 5 passions that control him.

God is not limited to religions. On the contrary it is our mind that limits God within the confines of religions.

Thanks for reading.

@ Steel - thanks for sharing your thoughts. Religions are man made and not God made and all thoughts also belong to man. Prophets were human beings who were closer to God because of their thinking and because of this they could perform miracles, not sleight of hand or magic which some street performers too can do.


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Mark Knowles 3 years ago

God is man made also. lol


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rajan jolly 3 years ago from From Mumbai, presently in Jalandhar,INDIA. Author

Lol, Mark.

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