Assisted Suicide or not....

N 16 and still writing!
N 16 and still writing!

Guess this title reads like a 'Diagnosis Murder' plot line, or something out of 'Murder She Wrote', but it's a serious title about a serious business.

Assisted Suicide is topical and probably inevitable in our current societal condition, we discuss here whether assisted suicide is a mercy killing or legalised murder.

Getting these hubs together for the 30 hubs in 30 days bit, is a real good way to start writing from the hip on subjects that have been lingering in the subliminal awaiting exposure to the light of day.

My writing always seems to try and look at things from a biblical viewpoint.

That is....what did God say and what does He seem to think about something.

But equally we live in a secular society, so let's see if those opposites can fit together?

I'm trying to get to know God better and every day is a new chance to discover what He wants from me.

I'm 58 and been with Christ for 17 years, my family seem to live into their 90's, so I may have enough time to find out everything I want to know about God, but still I don't want to waste one day, for nobody knows when God will call us away from this mortal coil!

My constant proclamation has been for a long time; that I will live for exactly as long as God wants me to, not one second more, not one second less.

Don't give the enemy the authority to steal one second of your life!

If you have more time than me, (and who knows?) then start finding out who God is as soon as you can, the earlier one starts, the better the relationship will be, why wait until you meet Him before you find the answer to this essential question:

Who do you say I AM?

Sir Terry Pratchett
Sir Terry Pratchett

Terry Pratchett has attracted much publicity to the subject of assisted suicide during the two years since he discovered he was a sufferer of Alzheimer's disease, and that it was not cureable.

Being an obviously highly intelligent writer, with a massive and vivid imagination, one can see why this is a major situation in his life.

Many folk could suffer from Alzheimer's and hardly notice the change personally, for many of us have very little life to lose, but someone like Terry Pratchett knows that as his condition progressed he would be aware that his very personality was dying.

He wants to be able to control his death with dignity.

So we get to the point of assisted suicide.

From a biblical perspective, God retains the right to determine the time of our deaths and does not approve of our involvement in our own or the deaths of others, unless He has instigated it.

So as a bible believing Christian I must reply that assisted suicide is not permitted, mainly because it is the ultimate rebellion against God, the one where you attempt (and succeed) to thwart Gods 'omnipotence' and cheat the system.

In reality God must allow your suicide to take place.

That does not make God less than all powerful, it just makes Him ultimately compassionate even when it is against His wishes and your best interests.

But that concept only practically applies to a believer, for any unbeliever has and is already committing rebellion against God and expects to experience Gods disfavour if God existed, which the unbeliever obviously does not think to be true.

So from a secular perspective, we believers have no right to make them stay alive to satisfy our Gods desires.

And they are right.

Suicides always used to be buried in the outer perimeter of the churchyard or cemetery, to show their exclusion.

I have no idea if that is still the case, not having lived in the UK for 25 years.

But I can see the point, where a willing Church of England wanted to bury someones loved one who was ostensibly a Christian, but had taken their own life.

This is not however the case today, were England is a secular state and the Church of England is more or less a spent force, trying to reinvent itself into a 'broader' church which is all the more 'inclusive' and yet failing miserably to attract the young blood that it requires.

The case for assisted suicide should be put to a referendum, alongside late term abortion, homosexual equality in the workplace, and all the other hot potatoes that keep parliament and the church busy.

In effect it would act as a vote for or against the UK remaining a Christian country with a secular government, or a secular country with a emasculated clergy.

Let the people choose, they are mostly, in any case, living secular lives, even those who profess the Christian faith and attend CoE churches, for they willingly sit under doctrinal error and non scriptural decisions taken by a mostly ineffective Bishopric.

For the record, if anyone really wants to shake off this mortal coil, then all they need to do is surrender their rebellion against Christ, and ask God to remove them from this physical plain.

God may do that, unless He still has a purpose for your life to continue, and that will NOT be your punishment, because although you will have incurred the condition due to sin in your life, God is not vindictive.

He may use your misfortune to gain your attention, but He does not inflict it upon you.

That's Satan's domain.

Where we are in rebellion against God, we are under the power and authority of Satan, and he will try to hurt, disable and kill us especially where we are in rebellion towards God, and before we can get the chance to return to Gods mercy and grace.

But note that I said "unless He still has a purpose for your life to continue" and that should not be missed, for God does know the beginning from the end, and He does have plans for us, and if He decides to keep you here after you have asked to be checked out, then you can be sure that the plan you have to fulfil will be worth hanging around for.

You can bet your life on that!

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Unchained Grace 6 years ago from Baltimore, MD

Aquasilver, this is indeed a hot one for many, though I can readily see your point. The secular/Christian/believer debate on this sometimes flips us into a circular reference sort of thing. I can tell you I would have a difficult time with officiating a funeral wherein the deceased was a professed believer who chose to end their life. It is true we don't walk in that person's shoes, though I do know I have known God to stand by me through things which would spiritually, physically and emotionally crush many. He got me through it.

Personally, for just me, I want to see the completion of the vision He's given me and how it is going to turn out.

This Hub was designed and completed with serious thoughts on this very sensitive issue and I certainly applaud you for taking a solid swing at it when so many duck and dodge this and other similar issues.


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aguasilver 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain Author

UG, always good to see you on my comments pages, I think suicide will always be a biggie with God, but I'm not sure that a believer committing suicide would automatically be in separation from God,for the suicide.

Maybe the sin that allowed the enemy to implant a suicidal tendency would be enough, i.e. we are only going to do that if the spirit of death has been allowed to enter in the first place.

I lived with that spirit for a while, and retrospectively I can see that I was at high risk during that time, especially more so when I started to have doubts about my destiny and looked for a better way to follow, i.e moved towards Christ.

Then the attacks and attempts increased in frequency.

Satan is a bad looser, he tries to kill what he cannot keep.

But if you are not a believer....may as well get hung for a sheep as a lamb!


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Unchained Grace 6 years ago from Baltimore, MD

I believe I know where you're going with that. So, in essence, we are to look closer at the root. What lies at the base of it all which manifested itself in suicidal tendancies. You're looking more for the root sin, correct?

If so, then the source can be dealt with as opposed to medicating the symptoms. You and I both know that's only a superficial "BandAid" approach.


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aguasilver 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain Author

Exactly, there is only one of two sources regards power and authority; Christ or Satan, and every action, thought and deed originates from one of them.

God is the Creator, Satan is the Destroyer. It's a 'choose this day who you will serve' situation... which is why we pick it up daily.


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RevLady 6 years ago from Lantana, Florida

aguasilver

I wonder if it is not the gulf between pagan living and dying and faithful living and faithful dying and how both view human beings that influences individuals decision. In my experience, for many, once pain is controlled (hospice), the quality of the dying process is improved significantly and the once desire for immediate exit significantly diminished.

Nevertheless, like you, I am not convinced that a CHRISTIAN who commits suicide would be eternally separated from God. It seems that if a CHRISTIAN commits suicide, particularly in situations as you described, he or she is forgiven. Romans 8:1: "There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus." If the person received Christ as Savior, nothing can alter the truth that, as children of God, we are forgiven. All sins past, present, and future were dealt with on the cross. His blood, once for all, covers our sins.

That being said, I strongly believe in Faithful Living and Faithful Dying. All caring people empathize with those who hurt, both physically and emotionally. 2 Corinthians 12:9 is our assurance that in our weakness, God's grace is sufficient, and that is our hope when life becomes intolerable.

Forever His,


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Micky Dee 6 years ago

Thanks for a great hub. Only the Great Scorekeeper knows all.


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Dave Mathews 6 years ago from NORTH YORK,ONTARIO,CANADA

Aguasilver my brother,right now at this very moment in time, I am faced with such devistation in my life, not just for me personally, but for all those around me too.

The base root is unemployment and financial ruin of all that I have worked 47 years to build up.

I have been in prayer constantly for over a year now for My Father's intervention, and guidance and He has carried me through this past year, but the evil one still continues to throw hardship after hardship in my face, until I have reached the point where I feel I can not face things anymore, and need an escape.

I find myself now today,going through a situation where my prayer, my plea is,"My Father PLEASE I BEG OF YOU i PLEAD WITH YOU! let this cup pass from me, for I am not strong enough to face or handle what is to come before me. Please My Lord I beseach you, ask Our Father to, while I am sleeping give me a heart attack or something, that will take me as I sleep, and allow me to return home to heaven to serve Our Father there."

I think you can get the gist of my desperation.

There is more to the prayer for I pray to end the suffering of family and friends, especially my wife who suffers physically and emotionally even now, but will suffer 10 fold, if I have to remain here to serve on earth.

As you say, the one reason I have not yet given any serious consideration to suicide is three-fold.

YES I would deny my Father in Heaven, His right to "Call the shots".

I would be giving Satan great satisfaction falling to his temptation. and lastly,

I am not certain that God would show compassion and forgive me, even if I prayed for forgiveness, at the moment I felt life slipping from me, into death, I feel God might think the prayer insincere and unrepentant.

Of course I could come up with other reasons but my #1 reason for not trying to do it myself is "I Love God." I am here to serve Him as his obedient servant and His Child.

Taking the easy way out and committing suicide, would hurt so many people, especially my wife, and I cannot be that selfish.

Sincerely,

Brother Dave Mathews.


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A M Werner 6 years ago from West Allis

Aguasilver, it seems in America there is always this cry for separation of church and state and yet the church is constantly trying to act like the state to keep its congregations happy, and the state is always trying to meddle in church affairs - so in truth, there is no separation. I don't see how it is possible that any Christian support suicide in any form, and yet none of us can be the judge of what drove the person to that desperation, so the Lord will ultimately decide. As far as the state is concerned, I agree with you that those outside the Lord shouldn't be made to obey any Christian commandment. I always hate this grey line between what is Christian right and what is State right. Since Christians are all on their own path to the Lord, and all in different stages of growth and understanding, I just don't see where Christians should legislate anything and try to enforce it on anyone but themselves. Thought provoking hub.

And Dave Mathews - our prayers to you - stay strong in the Lord and His might. Peace.


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aguasilver 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain Author

Dave, In 2007 I was the owner of 8.75% of the stock in a development company in the process of building a +200m€ hotel project, which had a profit of €40-60 million when completed.

For whatever reason God took that away and I went from pushed down, overflowing thank you very much to a complete inability to pay any bill during one twenty minute auction where the land was sold for 25% of it's worth to satisfy 'investors' (who took the land)....and I was worth nothing.

So I know where you are coming from, but I will also say that losing that 'investment' was the best thing to happen to me for along time, for my blood pressure was often 160/100 and I spent 16 hours a day on the phone or internet arranging 'things' and spent a good portion of my day with a cell phone strapped to my left ear, like 3-5 hours a day on the phone!

I also lost the personal relationship I had been use to with Christ, and slowly lost my first love.

As you may be able to see, those bad traits have been reversed and I am once again hopelessly in Love and awake singing His praises rather than reaching for the phone.

Do not despair, God has a plan, indeed I think I covered this in one of my hubs.... As in the days of Noah....

Nothing is worth being concerned about, you came in with nothing and no matter how much you may accumulate in life, you will leave with nothing, except an eternal destination.

I have and could never contemplate suicide, it's a second death sentence most likely, and besides WHY?

When I went totally broke, it was no longer my problem that I could not pay my bankers, who had loaned goodly sums to me, but so what, it was their greed that caused the banking collapse and I guess they will write my personal debts off in due course, and if I make money again (been rich twice, poor three times) I'll pay them off, if not, so be it.

"a rich person is not one who has the most, but is one who needs the least."

I remember an old Jewish joke, where Rebecca notices that Reuben is tossing and turning and can't sleep, eventually Rebecca says "Reuben, what's the matter" and Reuben informs her he owes Solly $5000 to be paid in the morning and he does not have it to pay, so Rebecca picks up the phone, and calls Solly at 3am..."Solly, Reuben's wife here, you know that $5000 you are due tomorrow, well Reuben doesn't have it" and she put the phone down,turns to Reuben and says "See....now let him worry, you go to sleep"

God will and does provide, and we need to learn this, and if the only way God can get your attention is to take away inconsequential toys and wealth, He will.

Stay Blessed by choosing God this day as the one you will serve.

Email me if you want to discuss further, you're welcome anytime just email through my profile.

John


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50 Caliber 6 years ago from Arizona

Sir a thought provoking hub as earlier stated. My thought is a Christian is/ has bound themselves to the power of God and relinquished in faith the shiny days of beauty to the dim days of pain and suffering, yet suicide is not an option. My thoughts on this stem from an experience over other experiences where soldiers beg you to stop their pain and realize they are going and the hurt could be cut short. I could never participate in "Playing God" then and for better reason now I could not and would not. The one time I experienced what one could determine "just ground" for attempted assisted suicide turned out to be a testament of Gods Grace even though the ultimate result was death and his suffering. I moved into my fathers home, he was full of cancer in his abdomen and he couldn't eat or drink with out it coming back out. My mother insisted he eat and finally he would cave and come to the table via his walker. He would sit down with us and a prayer said for the meal and he then requested his "barf bucket" his attempt at humor during his weeks to live. Sure enough a drink of water and a few bites was ejected. He was on "hospice" and the day they came in and set a hospital bed and oxygen machine up, at lunch he told me he was going to sleep and would not be joining us for breakfast. In the mornings I would assist him in getting his slippers and pants and other clothing on, he asked me " I bet you never thought you'd be doing this?" I replied that he had done the same for me many more times as a child. I prayed with him and was amazed by his FAITH. I had lived with his faith many years and he rebuked me many times for my actions, but they didn't have meaning to me until this day. His announcement of going to sleep that night and moving into the eternal care of the great physician. I called Brother Chuck, my fathers preacher, and I called my little brother and sister and told them to catch a flight back to Arizona. We had a full house of folks that day and told jokes and presented his works to and for each who attended. I had volunteers picking family up at the airport. We (my dad and Bro' Chuck) prayed with him as bed time rolled around after a day of much laughter and remembrance of fishing trips and other things. My Father turned in at 1800 hours and at 23:30 as I lay on the couch in the living room I received a vision of my Father, he was curly headed with dark hair wearing Levis, a kacky tan work shirt with his famous yo-yo key fob, and his work boots, he appeared to be 30 to 35 years old. "Son It is time for me to leave you for now" was what he said. He then faded away. I rose up and went to his bed, his skin was cold but under neath was still warm. In the last 30 minutes he had died by my guess. Those traveling in arrived at 0100 the following morning and had just missed him. He bore the burden Christ has for him from beginning to end and served as a great testament to me. It made him complete from beginning to end in the Father,Son and Holey Ghost. He had fought the good fight and stayed with them and served as a testament to any who was truly listening to the message.

Suicide would have created an incomplete version and I don't believe it is anything more than a financial issue, and it is wrong under any case. This is my humble opinion. The Father gave free will so you can make your decision, mine is to stay until God sees fit I leave.


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aguasilver 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain Author

"This is my humble opinion."....and you are 100% correct Dusty, as usual.

I was with my father for the last ten days of his life, had the night shift and sat with him all night every night, he was afraid of sleeping as he knew death came calling mostly at 4am.

Dad had a lot of innocent blood on his hands from WW2 and I don't think he ever forgave himself, so although he had been adult baptised in the 'Boy Brigade'(a Christian quasi military club for teens) he was never a ardent believer, so he fought death, but lost obviously.

After surviving WW2 and walking clean across Burma pushing Japanese troops ahead of them, he died from asbestosis caught when he returned home the hero, and found the only job available in the socialist nirvana that Britain became post war was as a postal worker hauling heavy mailbags onto trains in the London postal system underground rail-road, which had tunnels lined with asbestos.

We had lost our houses during the war when the women left behind had been unable to pay the property taxes, so our wonderful socialist government took them. I vowed never to pay the UK government a penny in tax, and I never did. My father had paid his dues and some, and they were getting nothing from me.

I watched my day die in peace eventually, after I spent some time explaining how God worked in reality, rather than in the CoE version he had been given so many years earlier.

I cleaned him in the night and held his hand and saw his pain as his internal organs slowly stopped working.

The duty doc gave him a heavy morphine shot on the night he died, and maybe he cut a few hours off his pain expectations.

Hope that I will see him again one day on the other side!

John


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2uesday 6 years ago from - on the web, I am 2uesday.

I watched my dad suffer, even reading this was going to be difficult for me but I think it was good that I found the courage to read it. I voted it up because I thought it worth reading.


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aguasilver 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain Author

Hi 2uesday,

Thank you for your comment, and your courage.

Stay Blessed,

John

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