Atheists Preach the Good News

How the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses Do It

Is It OK For Christians (or Atheists) to Preach?

Christians have been spreading their message for thousands of years now. In the U.S.A. they have a constitutional right to worship as they please. But so does everyone under the Bill of Rights.

If it is permissible for Christians and other religions to go door to door and proselytize, then it is also the same right for non-religious people to do so. In fact, anyone can come up to your door and knock on it and try to 'sell' you their 'message'.

You also have the right to refuse to open your door to strangers, to not listen to their message and to demand that they leave your property. This goes for anyone who preaches anything. Even vacuum salespeople must leave if their 'pitch' is offensive to the home owner.

Christians seem to claim some special divine right to "spread the word of Jesus". It's in their bible. But what they fail to notice is that not everyone wants to read their bible or hear their message.

Christianity is not the oldest religion, it's not even the religion of the majority of people on this planet, although they seem to think that it is. But 66% of the world's population is actually non-Christian.

Christians do have a majority of followers in the U.S.A. But their numbers are decreasing. Most people don't go to "church" anymore, even though they claim to do so or claim to still be Christians.

So, preaching doesn't work - So Christians resort to all sorts of other means to get their foot in the door. They lie, cheat, steal and even murder. But they don't call it that, they call it by any other name that can be 'justified' by their bible.

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The 'Mandate' of Christianity

From M. T. Dremer:

"I think Christianity, as a religion, has a design flaw that leads to this kind of harassment, the one that states it's their duty to spread the word of god."

The Christian Bible apparently mandates that Christians deliver their message to the world. Since this has now been done, the mandate should stop. The message has been delivered and everyone that wants to can read the Christian bible pretty much for free.

It's available on the internet at Bible Gateway.com (in several different languages and translations). It's also available in any decent library. Most hotels provide them in every dresser drawer. It's possible that everyone on the planet has a bible available in some form or another.

How to be Happy With Your Religion (or lack of it)

Happiness is up to you! If religion makes you happy, then you have the world's permission to be happy. Happiness comes from the inside.

No one can make you happy. No one can take your happiness away. There are people that are perfectly happy to be in prison for life. The only secret is to be who you are.

When you find fault with everyone and their religion, of lack of it, and keep trying to preach to people, you are never going to be happy. Religion is a personal thing. It's not up to you to tell them how to eat, pray or love (to coin a phrase).

Just because your religion teaches that something is "an abomination", just doesn't make it so. The other person's religion may teach them that it is not "an abomination". Leave it up to your God to judge. You do not have that right. So stop doing it.

You will find that you are happier inside. If you trust your religion, then make it a habit to let your beliefs control you, not the other people in the world.

Live and Let Live

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Do You Want to be Preached To?

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What Religion Are You?

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Summing Up

I recently asked this question via HubPage Q&A section, Do you believe that Christians have the right to preach to people who don't want to hear them?

The answers did not surprise me and shouldn't have surprised the nearly 700 viewers for this subject.

People do NOT want to be preached to! People do not want to hear you preach! The best answer that I selected was from Crazy Horses Ghost who said,

"For many years I was very angry with Christians and their want to spread their religion. Who was to say the Native American religions were not right."

Who indeed?

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JMcFarland 2 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

Great hub. Voted up.


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe Author

Thank you! J I love your location.


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jlpark 2 years ago from New Zealand

Awesome. Thanks for sharing the results of your question !


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Oztinato 2 years ago from Australia

How does an average atheist claim to preach freedom of religion when they are usually trying to ban all religion?


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe Author

@ Oztinato - Atheists are not trying to BAN all religion. You are badly misinformed. Atheists want the same preaching ability that religion has. You are perfectly free to practice whatever religion you want to!


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cheaptrick 2 years ago from the bridge of sighs

To each his own would be nice if it stopped there...but it doesn't.We should keep in mind their (all groups with an ideology) numbers,because when their numbers become great enough our option to not join disappears.History is replete with examples.Interesting hub and raises an excellent point.Turn about is fair play.Congrats


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe Author

Turn about IS fair play! I think I will mimic every religionist I talk to from now on and give them back a taste of their own medicine :-)


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Say Yes To Life 2 years ago from Big Island of Hawaii

I recently came across some good news. I called some old friends from my Seattle church; they had been wonderfully helpful to me when I lived there. I wasn't sure they would answer the phone, but they did, and I spoke with them for nearly 2 hours!

The reason I was afraid they wouldn't answer the phone is because last August, I finally wrote my Seattle pastor, who had also been wonderfully helpful to me, telling him the circumstances under which I had to leave Seattle. I never heard from him again. I must have freaked him out. I admit, it occurred to me next time my friends went to church, they would most likely tell him they spoke to me, and he'd say something negative about me, freaking them out - but then it turns out they already knew my circumstances, and didn't condemn me for it. So maybe they'll bring him around.

It turns out their youngest daughter is an Agnostic. That is because the entire family is afflicted with chronic illness, and she is the only exception. She cannot reconcile that with an all-knowing, all-powerful, all-loving God. I told them I was leaning towards Agnosticism myself, because if I treated my kids the way God rules the world, I would be considered an abusive, unfit parent. That didn't surprise them at all. They said they didn't understand the ways of God, but chose to trust, anyway.

Not to put down Atheists or believers, but it seems to me Agnosticism is the most reasonable way to go. No one has proven - or disproven - that God exists. If in fact there is a God, He most likely isn't the psychopathic Christian version.

P.S. The late great Albert Einstein, who founded the Big Bang theory, believed in God, but also believed He didn't concern Himself with human fate or affairs. If the Universe had a beginning, Someone had to be around to start it. But remember, the Big Bang is a THEORY - not a proven fact!


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe Author

SayYes - All of science if based on observation, experiments and theory. That is what science is! The only trick to science is to understand that scientists keep SEARCHING and experimenting and collating data that leads to theoretical conclusions. Once the theories are proven (like the theory of gravity), these theories are called physical laws. But those laws can be broken if new discoveries are made. Then it's back to the drawing board of observation, experiments and theory.

Religion is based on hearsay, ancient thoughts, myths, legends, superstitions and 'feelings'. There is no empirical evidence to suggest that a God or God exists. When someone comes up with a repeatable observation and then experiments are conducted and the results are repeatable by various scientists, the observation will become a scientific theory (and then a law) also.

No one can prove the "Big Bang", but they can prove that the observable universe presents conditions and observations that are consistent with this sort of event. Experiments regarding gravity, measurable velocities, mass and other physical measurements are repeatable and have been conducted by many scientists. The Big Bang is still a working theory and has not been proven to be a 'law'. We have a long way to go on that one.

But recorded religion has existed for over 6,000 years and we are still no closer to 'seeing' this thing called 'God'.


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WillStarr 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

'Religions' that knock on your door are cults, and not traditional Christians at all. Real Christians spread the Word by their actions, not by being an in-your-face jerk knocking at your front door.

I don't know who's knocking at your door, but those who knock on my door are always either Witnesses or Mormons. They are never mainstream Christians.


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tsadjatko 2 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

Will, it's always folly for atheists to "preach" about Christianity. They, by their own admitted persuasion and denial that it even exists, know nothing of Christianity yet are ripe to write about it from total ignorance.


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JMcFarland 2 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

tsadjatko - since many, many atheists used be religious themselves, and often have much more knowledge of the holy books and doctrines of the religion than the religious themselves, how can you possibly make a blanket statement that an entire group of people (of which you are not a part) are completely ignorant about it?


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Oztinato 2 years ago from Australia

If atheists want to preach religious intolerance they are preaching bigotry and thus share the very trait they claim to dislike about certain narrow minded religons. Intolerance. How ironic.


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Rod Marsden 2 years ago from Wollongong, NSW, Australia

Who said atheists want to preach religious intolerance? Most atheists don't want to preach at all. That's why they are atheists. As a lark maybe two atheists wanted to see what the public reaction would be to atheist style preaching. Silly but any kind of preaching to people who are not interested is kind of pointless. Atheists are bigots? I don't believe so Oztinato. So what race are these Atheist bigots against? None. Most of them are nice people. There are of course agnostics around too. I hope you don't have a problem with them.


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe Author

tsadjatko - Even if Atheists knew absolutely nothing about Christianity, as you think, then you would have to admit they know a great deal about Atheism, therefore, they are entitled to preach about their beliefs just as much as you would be.


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe Author

Ozinato - It's very ironic that you used the phrase, "narrow minded religons". (religions). And once again - We don't care what religion you practice, we just want the SAME freedom to express our beliefs!


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Oztinato 2 years ago from Australia

Austinstar

I believe totally in Ethical Atheism that protects the weak and has compassion as a guiding principle. The new atheist ideas of legal infanticide for example are totally unethical and high on the list of "worst homicide" scenarios involving the weakest members of society.

21st Century Atheism is distinctly different from past forms of atheism that usually retained high ethical standards.

For years many theists (including myself) have argued that the new atheism we are seeing does resemble a kind of religion or cult, therefore by claiming the right to preach as the Mormons etc reinforces this notion. There is a character emerging of quasi-religious crusading. My argument has long been that unless atheists admit to this they are being hypocritical on many levels. If people want to crusade in a quasi religious manner they should admit it to avoid this constant theme of hypocrisy in atheism. Sure there are religious people who are hypocrites too and who also need prodding: by sharing an abhorrence of hypocrisy we will all move closer to the truth of the matter.


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Oztinato 2 years ago from Australia

Rod,

It is clear that online atheists are ruthlessly pursuing total religious intolerance.

My plea to them is to retain the Scientific Principle of Evolution when studying ethics just as they do when they study other areas of knowledge; therefore the appreciation of the positive contributions of religion to law, science, art and culture for the past 10,000 years or more should be paramount. Principles of compassion and protection of the weak AND also religious and racial Tolerance should be cornerstones of ethics and not a topic for bad jokes.


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe Author

Oztinato - So atheists should take their cues from religion and just "cherry pick" the good parts and sweep under the rug anything that is distasteful. As for being a 'religion', atheism does not conform to the definition of that word no matter how much you try to make it sound like a cult, atheism simply remains the disbelief in a God or Gods. Humanism may be more akin to a religion, but humanists don't go around forcing their beliefs on people.

I am very intolerant of people that force their children to "pray", to beat children to death because they appear to be "gay" or rebellious. People who lock their children in closets and force them to "repent". People who scare children by instilling stupid superstitions in them, like the notion of going to hell. People who fly airplanes into our buildings because of some "holy war". People who thought it was right and proper to give measles infected blankets to "heathens" in order to steal their land. The list goes on.

Therefore, I'll take "ethical atheism" over religion any day of the week. And I'm happy that the first amendement protects my rights to speak about it.


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Say Yes To Life 2 years ago from Big Island of Hawaii

Many religions support atheism. Buddhists do it. Confucianism is actually an atheistic religion. Currently, over 50% of Jews are either atheist or agnostic, which means we will soon have a Jewish religion that supports that. Atheist simply means non-belief in an all-powerful deity. On the other hand, you have polytheists, which is a belief in many powerful deities. Hinduism, the oldest religion known to man, is polytheist.


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Lady Guinevere 2 years ago from West Virginia

Boy, reading all the comments are a bit funny to say the least. Here is a phrase for you theists that spread hate and lies and your controlling is so pathetic to those who know the truth rather than those who only THINK they know the truth because someone said so.......There is such a thing as a Christian and there is such a thing as Churchian. They are completely different and AustinStar know Exactly what I am talking about and so do others. When you actually come away from the church and learn to do research and look elsewhere in history you will then begin to see the truth. It isn't in a book made my men whose only purpose was to threatened women and keep everyone under that control that they are guilty. Then you can read all the things in that Bible and not only the ones where the words are used as some sort of sword to harm others and make them feel like they are sinners, when Jesus IN THAT BIBLE said that not everyone was a sinner and that he did not come for everyone.

AustinStar thanks for this wonderful hub. Well done!


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe Author

Thank you Lady Guinevere and SayYesToLife for being so understanding about what I am attempting to do here.

Preaching is preaching no matter who does it and there is a difference between teaching and preaching. If someone is genuinely interested in your religion, it's ok to teach. It's not ok to preach with force or threats or veiled references of rewards and punishments.

There is a double standard here for evangelicals versus other religions and atheists. If it is ok for Christians to "spread the word", then it must also be ok for everyone to "spread the word". That is the sole purpose of this hub.


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Lady Guinevere 2 years ago from West Virginia

Say Yes To Life You can learn the real truth about all religions and belief systems on ReligiousTolerance.Org I do believe that Jesus was the one to say Know Thy Enemy.


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Link10103 2 years ago

Not that I think you took it seriously from the start Austin, but anything Oztinato says can be tossed out the window. He deleted one of Titens counter comments on his post as well as 4 of my own comments under the supposed claim that it was an "accident". All in an attempt to side with someone else who commented on his hub that was telling some other user to kill themselves for not having faith.

Narrow minded...ironic indeed.


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Lady Guinevere 2 years ago from West Virginia

Link10103 That seems to be running rampant around here lately. I was on graceinus question and she/he deleted all my comments too and that celafoe person he is as evil as they come yet he thinks he is right and the only one that is right. So I posed my latest question and got some really interesting answers so far.

AustinStar, like me, will confront the idiocracy.


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe Author

I too will delete comments. It's not usually personal though. I delete anything copied and pasted, and quite often, I will delete comments that are off topic.

But sometimes I leave the comments so that others can see how totally asinine the person is!


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Oztinato 2 years ago from Australia

Austinstar

I also support true Ethical Atheism: this type of atheism builds scientifically on the evolution of ethics as started by religion ie. compassion, protection of the weak, opposition to infanticide; also tolerance and appreciation (and celebration) of the various religions.

We can't cherry pick the bad things and overlook the tens of thousands of years of philosophy, culture, art and scientific achievements of religion.

Otherwise we fall into the trap of bigotry and even a blindness to it. 21st Century atheism has to embrace the roots of ethics, not jettison them.

Its time for atheism to shine and not fall into a dark ignorance of moral decline. 21st Atheism should be more than just coffee club logic and sit com jokes. Festivus?? Really, is that the latte depth of us?


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Link10103 2 years ago

Oztinato

Since you would be hard pressed in deleting my comments on someone else's hub, I can now ask you a question.

What philosophical, cultural, artistic, and scientific achievements have been made purely because of religion? Keep in mind, there is a difference between an advancement made purely in the name of -insert religion here- and an advancement being made by someone who is of a specific religion.

You cannot say that flying cars were only made possible because of Christianity just because the person who engineered them was a Christian.

Saying art as a whole would have suffered without the existence of religion is borderline crazy, the first pieces of art (cave paintings are in fact art) had very little to do with religion, they were ways of immortalizing personal achievements and depicting history.

If a religion claims to know how to be perfect, cherry picking should not be at all possible because there should be no bad things to talk about. If there are in fact bad things to speak about, that means the religion is flawed. If nothing else, atheists want to point out the flaws so people can mend the corrupted lunacy religion has become. Has that ever actually crossed your mind before?


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Say Yes To Life 2 years ago from Big Island of Hawaii

Lady Guinevere - thanks for the link. I will soon research and write a non-personal article describing the 10 biggest religions in the world, to clarify my mind as well as others.


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Oztinato 2 years ago from Australia

Link

All you need to do is read any art history book, any law history book, any science history book etc and you will find the influence of religion.

The earliest cave art was a direct reflection of early mans religion which falls under the heading of sympathetic magic whereby images and ritual were used to increase the hunt and fertility.

Sorry but I can't do your homework for you.


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe Author

Oztinato - I don't think philosophical, cultural, artistic, and scientific achievements have been made purely BECAUSE of religion. I think the person who made these achievements may have accomplished these things even if they did not have "religion". In other words, they were intelligent enough to do acts on their own merits. Religion may have "inspired" some things, but only because that was the socially accepted "normal" way to think.

Many atheists have accomplished philosophical, cultural, artistic, and scientific achievements without the benefit of "religion". Some might argue that religion is totally unnecessary in order to think, be part of a culture, be artistic and certainly "religion" is not needed to make scientific discoveries.

I do not give religion any credit whatsoever for the advancement of mankind. Just the opposite. If humans had focused on the real world, instead of being burned at the stake for new ideas, we might actually be much more advanced by now.


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Link10103 2 years ago

An achievement being influenced by religion is vastly different from an achievement being made completely because of religion. I was pretty sure I made that clear with my previous example.

Also, if you say something is true, be prepared to back it up with evidence. Do not wuss out and give me vague answers to then say do my own homework. If YOU are trying to convince ME of something, why am I the one who needs to do the research? You should already have it on hand if you know enough about it to try to convince me otherwise.


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Lady Guinevere 2 years ago from West Virginia

Link, no what would you learn if everything was put in front of you like that? Just like someone else I used to know...they wanted me to do their homework for them while they were in college. They weren't going to learn anything by me doing that for them. Same goes with all these people who think it is our problem to give evidence and documentation. What it appears to look like is that you are lazy and cannot do the learning yourself.


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JMcFarland 2 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

With all due respect, the burden of proof always rests on the person making the positive claim. That's how debates work, that's how evidence works, that's how conversations when you're trying to convince someone else work. That is fundamental to understanding debates and these types of conversation. Attempting to shift the burden of proof is a logical fallacy, usually made by people who know they have no evidence.


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Link10103 2 years ago

Lady

I would be fine with doing my own homework if I was genuinely interested in a topic. But when someone says things to be true but provides no evidence for it, why should I take them seriously when they clearly want to make a point?

Your example does not apply here, having someone else in college do your work for you is just being lazy. Is not saying for me to do my own homework being lazy as well in this instance? Clearly the people who say that are more informed about whatever the topic is, so why is it difficult for them to provide evidence that backs up their claims? If I wanted MORE evidence than what they provided, then yes that would be completely on me to find, not them.

Do you not see the arrogance of someone coming up to you and saying "You are an idiot if you think Mars does not have any aliens living on it" when they provide nothing that points to it actually being true? Would you take them seriously enough at that point to do your own research, or would you write them off as being crazy and continue on with your day?


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Lady Guinevere 2 years ago from West Virginia

JM, I do believe that evidence was given. For further evidence they were asked to go do more research. You can also turn this around by asking what evidence the person whom is debating the first person has.


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Lady Guinevere 2 years ago from West Virginia

Link, Where did anyone call anyone and idiot on this hub? If you are not interested in the topic then why did you come and comment on it?


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Link10103 2 years ago

Lady

The end of my comment was an example, but the core of it is what Oztinato has been doing, saying something to be true without backing it up. Oztinato's comment to tell me to read a history book is not evidence. I could just as easily go read a history book about all the wars over the course of time and not read a single thing about religious achievements. So unless he has a specific book in mind, my question, which asked for specific achievements made purely because of religion, not achievements made by someone of a specific religion, remains to be unanswered. To turn around and ask ME for evidence when my question hasn't even been answered yet seems to go along the lines of what JM said. Besides, I already attributed what my example was. I also consider spirituality and "magic" of ancient times to be far different than religion.

I am interested in the hub's topic, so I scrolled down to the comments and started commenting. Is that not what you do on sites like this? You seem to want me gone for asking legitimate questions to someone for whatever reason.


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JMcFarland 2 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

What evidence was provided? I saw a lot of assertions. No evidence. Saying something is true does not make it true.


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JMcFarland 2 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

Lybrah, can you make any points that do not include add hominem attacks? How very Christ like. Disagreeing and criticizing a belief is not the same thing as attacking or criticizing a person, sorry. Please try again.


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JMcFarland 2 years ago from The US of A, but I'm Open to Suggestions

Lol objectionable? That doesn't mean what you think it means. I think you mean objective, and no - no you're not


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe Author

Lybrah, as much as I am able, I will not allow your comments on my hubs. Mostly because they don't make sense and you attack people. So don't bother to comment in the first place.

Lady - The person making a claim, must provide the evidence of said claim. Otherwise, don't make the claim.


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Link10103 2 years ago

Lybrah

I do not know what fantasy world you live in if you think I attack you. I have ALWAYS, up until your debacle on Bubblews, asked you legitimate questions. You always deflected them, and as I continued to back you into a corner with even more questions you lashed out at not only me but Austin and others for simply disagreeing with you. Was I attacking you in the forums we were talking in? Because as I see it, that had to be the most civil discussion I have seen you personally have with anyone to date, regardless of how condescending you sounded in each and every one of your comments. If you count that as an attack, then you are truly delusional in some way, and I say that as a fact rather than an insult.


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Link10103 2 years ago

As for the "arrogant moron", did I say that before or after you called my content worthless, called anyone who read my content an idiot, defamed me in one of your own posts and then gloated about getting away with it? Considering how that was one of my last comments to you before my account was deleted, I am willing to bet it was after. If you cannot see the correlation between your actions and mine, then really I can't say anything more without repeating myself endlessly.

And as I said in the forum, whether you realized it or not, you were being condescending by continually bringing up my age and praying that god would reveal himself to me, a non believer who has no wish for that to happen.

Even so, saying someone is condescending is not an insult or even an attack of any kind, but an observation.


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe Author

Lybrah, If you had played fair from the beginning, I wouldn't have a problem, but you didn't. I'm asking you nicely, once again, to please stop commenting on my hubs. You are not welcome to do so.


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Oztinato 2 years ago from Australia

Austin

It is clear a solid argument can be made in defense of religion (despite the mistakes of bad religious hypocrites) as the main driving force in the development of culture throughout the world until only the last few generations. For example, it is doubtful we would be at the high tech state we are in today if the Muslims did not carry the knowledge of the Greeks during the Dark Ages.

Real religion is not bigotry and those who claim to be religious and practice bigotry are not really religious people but are in fact political animals with other agendas. This is also the case with the same type of person who is atheist: many have political agendas and hence are not definitional "atheists" (which once upon a time technically meant simply not believing in God).

Link

I am way too busy with work to go into long educational explanations which I feel you and others should be studying for themselves. I have given you the lead so you can easily follow up on it. eg. all art for thousands of years was based on religion etc. Just look it up.


La Critique 2 years ago

And what good news does an Atheist have to preach about? That you're going to hell when you die? That there's no God who loves you, and therefore, you can continue living in sin because you don't have anyone to answer to? What good news is that?


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe Author

Lacritque I am in the hospital right now iwill anser later.


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Link10103 2 years ago

You are too busy to back up your baseless comments but not busy enough to make the comments themselves. How convenient.


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe Author

Atheists don go to hell.


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Lady Guinevere 2 years ago from West Virginia

La Critique What does God look like? Why does God change in the Bible from merciful and loving to vengeful and murderous? What is hell? What is Sin? Have you done research from historical standpoints about what Sin and WHO sin was? Who made up the Bible and why are only certain books or LETTERS allowed in it? What happened to all the things that Jesus taught? Why is Paul's writing more important than Jesus's and all that is or was of Jesus is now something to be afraid of? Answer these.


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Link10103 2 years ago

La Critique

I do hope you know that atheists lack a belief in god, therefore they cannot say someone will go to heaven or hell because they do not believe in it.


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe Author

Ashes to ashes


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Randy Godwin 2 years ago from Southern Georgia

I see you've stirred up a few thumpers with this hub, LA. lol! Those who commit their souls to myths wish others to join them. I detest evangelizing from any cult. Unfortunately for me, I'm deeply mired in the land of such creatures. Enjoyed the hub and the comments. It renewed my lack of faith in religiosity.


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Lady Guinevere 2 years ago from West Virginia

Hey, Link I thought you were talking about AustinStar not giving evidence, not Oz. Sorry.


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Oztinato 2 years ago from Australia

Link

I get bored repeating myself to the same people all the time on various hubs. My stance is clearly set out.

Time and work limits these posts as well as the avoidance of RSI and the inability to enjoy sitting down all the time when I could be walking in the sunshine


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Link10103 2 years ago

Lady

Guess I should label who I am talking to at all times then to avoid confusion. Oopsy

Oztinato

And again, you apparently have the time to STILL skirt around answering my question rather than taking a few seconds/minutes to back up what you said. You made a claim but provided nothing that points to it being true. I do not want just any evidence, I could just as easily find something that discounts everything you said and we are back to square one, I want YOUR specific evidence. If you cannot provide that, any claim you make will never be taken seriously.

I would be fine doing my own homework for any ADDITIONAL evidence, but considering how you provided none to begin with why is it upon me to start digging when you are the one trying to change other people's viewpoints? Do you not see how backwards that is? That is like me saying aliens live on the moon, go read any newspaper that talks about crop circles, but then I don't provide the articles to back up that what I said was true. Guarantee you would find plenty of articles talking about such things, and it wouldn't surprise me if half of them discounted that aliens were making symbols at night and abducting our cows, so why would you go through the trouble of finding the specific articles I was talking about yourself when I was the one who said it? Would you not ask me about my proof?

If you say no, I can't help but think you would be lying.


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Oztinato 2 years ago from Australia

Link

as you well know I have repeatedly provided abundant evidence on Hubpages.

Just read an encyclopedia on history for example.

Do you say you are an agnostic?


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Link10103 2 years ago

Repeatedly? Nowhere on this hub have you provided any specific evidence that backs up what you have said. Telling me to read an encyclopedia is an incredibly poor excuse for evidence. Now if you had a specific encyclopedia title in mind as well as chapter and/or page number where I could read whatever it is that backs up your claims directly, that would a different story altogether.

When it comes to organized religion, I can probably associate myself as being an atheist. When it comes to general belief of a higher deity of some kind, after reading a hub on here it might be best to clarify myself as an agnostic theist since I hold the concept to be plausible, but do not care either way if it turns out to exist or not.


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe Author

@ La Critique 7 days ago

"And what good news does an Atheist have to preach about? That you're going to hell when you die? "

I'm sorry you have been lied to all of your life. People have told you what a good little boy or girl you are and you are going to heaven when you die. But that is the same lie as Santa Clause. You are not going to heaven. Where is it? There is no heaven or hell. Just tell me where it is and I might believe you.

The real truth is closer to this scenario... http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Where-does...

So the Atheist good news is that you only have to be a good person because that is the way you SHOULD be! You don't have to fear the fear of that mythical 'burning lake of fire'.


La Critique 2 years ago

The bad new is...you're dead wrong. You should be a good person because it is the right thing to do, yes, but you still sin against God. No one is good enough to get into heaven with the saving power of Jesus Christ.


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe Author

La Critique - I'm sorry you cannot accept any other explanation for the universe. Go in peace.


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Lady Guinevere 2 years ago from West Virginia

La Critique so you are saying that everyone who does not know YOUR god is sinning? That is just silly.


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Oztinato 2 years ago from Australia

Religious intolerance should not be part of any faith. It is also not a part of rational atheism.


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Joseph O Polanco 2 years ago

@Austin

"Religion is based on hearsay, ancient thoughts, myths, legends, superstitions and 'feelings'. There is no empirical evidence to suggest that a God or God exists. When someone comes up with a repeatable observation and then experiments are conducted and the results are repeatable by various scientists, the observation will become a scientific theory (and then a law) also."

Problem is , you're trying to find God's presence in a test tube or a peer-reviewed paper . The good news is , however , reality doesn't operate like that . For instance, precisely what demonstrable , quantifiable , empirical , falsifiable , testable , replicable evidence explicitly establishes that Christopher Columbus landed in America in 1492 or that Yuri Gagarin was the very first man to actually journey to space ?

Just what demonstrable , quantifiable , empirical , falsifiable , testable , replicable evidence do you have demonstrating it’s immoral for an atheist to do this http://bit.ly/1bu2CrY or rape a little girl to death ?

Exactly what demonstrable , quantifiable , empirical , falsifiable , testable , replicable proof is there which proves you ought to care for others and treat them with dignity , honor as well as beneficence ?

Precisely what demonstrable , quantifiable , empirical , falsifiable , testable , replicable explanation is there for why anything exists rather than just nothing at all ?


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe Author

JOP - I have seen this very same post by you elsewhere. There is no point in repeating it here.

You are asking the age old question, "Why are we here"? In the same old way, using the same old tired suppositions. The truth is that you just won't accept science as a viable way to investigate our universe, instead you just insist that your "beliefs" and "faiths" are real. That your "God" did it all.

Even if your "God" did create the universe, why aren't you interested in finding out HOW he did it?


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Lady Guinevere 2 years ago from West Virginia

Oh Austinstar, this may not be relevant here but I posted several comments on someone's hub and they all got deleted. They were not nasty, but what they did was bring truth and science into the equation and the author did not like it one bit. It was something to the "fact" that there were 10 things science could not prove in some health issues. He mentioned about blue blood and blue skin and that stuff. I told him of the show on Discovery Health that proved it was a chemical reaction in the body.

Some of these religious people just go too far and then when you explain something to them they claim that they do not understand what you said...like Joseph did to me on another hub. It was probably where you also read it.


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe Author

Hi Lady, Well, I always respect the author's power of deleting any comment at any time for any reason he or she may deem necessary. It's our First Amendment rights to edit our own hubs and questions.

But, that said, some people just cannot handle the truth unless it is their version of the truth.

JOP's comment above has been pretty much copied and pasted in several places here at HP. I agree, they just go too far to keep trying to spread their version of reality. I would be OK with that except for the constant rote REPETITION!

They never come up with real rebuttals or real thoughts, they just copy/paste everything! It's sick.


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Lady Guinevere 2 years ago from West Virginia

He came and left the same comment on my hub and I denied it and told him that he is spamming and if he continued that I would report him.

Oh I did not really mind my comments being deleted it was just as you said, they donot want to know the truth and prefer spreading lies.


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Joseph O Polanco 2 years ago

@Austin

"Even if your "God" did create the universe, why aren't you interested in finding out HOW he did it?"

Because WHY he did it is, by far, a much more intriguing question :)


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe Author

JOP - Aren't you supposed to NOT question "the will of the Lord"? Why your "God" does or does not do something is none of your concern, right? You are just trying to pick a fight here I guess.


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Joseph O Polanco 2 years ago

@Austin

Curious ...

Where does the Bible teach any of that?


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Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe Author

Romans 9:20

But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?”

I will not copy and paste all of the other passages. This is but one. In fact, I will no longer answer your questions at all since you won't answer mine.

Answering a question with another question is just rude.

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