Bible Verses About Weed and Alcohol -- Drugs and Alcohol in the Bible

Do you smoke weed or enjoy getting drunk? Discover what the Bible says about weed and alcohol and how this decision can effect your claim to salvation.
Do you smoke weed or enjoy getting drunk? Discover what the Bible says about weed and alcohol and how this decision can effect your claim to salvation.

What the Bible Says About Weed, Alcohol

Looking for Bible verses about marijuana (weed) or alcohol? While the Bible is filled with instruction on avoiding drunkenness, Bible verses about weed specifically do not exist.

However, Galatians 5:19-21 says, "Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God."

In this passage, the word sorcery implies "the use or administering of drugs," from the original translated Greek word pharmakeia, according to Strong's Concordance.

Not only is sorcery found in Galatians, but in a multitude of other verses as well, all implying the use of marijuana and other drugs.

The most serious of these is Revelation 9:20-21 and Revelation 18:23, where scripture tells us mind-altering drug use, as experience by those who smoke weed or use other drugs, will lead to destruction and punishment for those who will not repent:

"The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, so as not to worship demons, and the idols of gold and of silver and of brass and of stone and of wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk; and they did not repent of their murders nor of their sorceries nor of their immorality nor of their thefts," (Revelation 9:20-21).

"...and the light of a lamp will not shine in you any longer; and the voice of the bridegroom and bride will not be heard in you any longer; for your merchants were the great men of the earth, because all the nations were deceived by your sorcery," (Revelation 18:23).

Bible Verses About Drunkenness

Wheras the Bible has little specifically to say about weed, Bible verses regarding drunkenness are plenty and condemn irresponsible drinking specifically.

In Proverbs 31:4-7, King Lemuel writes that his mother forwarned that drunkenness clouds the mind and can lead to injustice and poor judgment.  "For if they drink, they may forget the law," (Proverbs 31:5 NLT).

Had King Xerxes (also Ahasureus in Hebrew) been given similar advice, he might not have made the rash, half-drunken decision he made in Esther 1:10-11.  After Queen Vashti refused to parade before Xerxes' all-male party, in an effort by the king to show off his beautiful wife, he banished her from his kingdom and moved forward to choose a new wife.  Later, in the second verse, we find Xerxes realized how much he missed Vashti but could not undo his drunken mistake of banishing her as the decree could not be rescinded.

Even the great Noah had a moment of poor judgment under the affects of alcohol, when, in Genesis 9:18-27, scripture described a moment in which Noah became drunk and fell asleep naked in a tent.  His sons did their best to cover him without looking after his son, Ham, found his father naked in slumber.  When Noah awoke and realized what happened, he cursed his son illustrating how drunkenness can effect the relationships with friends and family.

Finally, Proverbs 23:29-35 is among the best Bible verses regarding alcohol and drunkenness as they illustrate the by-products of drinking:

"Who has anguish? Who has sorrow? Who is always fighting?  Who is always complaining?  Who has unnecessary bruises?  Who has bloodshot eyes?  It is the one who spends long hours in taverns, trying out new drinks," (Proverbs 23:29-30).

By drinking, these Proverbs provide that people can come to idolize alcohol, cause hallucinations, loss of internal censorship which speaking, staggered mobility, and eventual alcoholism.

While drinking might seem fun at the start, "in the end it bites like a poisonous snake; it stings like a viper," (Proverbs 23:32).

If You Have a Drug or Alcohol Problem...

Remember, regardless of where you have been or where you are now, God can turn around everything and give you a fresh, new beginning.  Scripture tells us that in Christ, all things are made new (2 Corinthians 5:17) and you can become a new creature, blessed, healthy and whole!  Get in a good Bible based church, find a good alcohol or drug treatment program and don't be afraid to ask for help!

Whereas the lust of your flesh for drugs and alcohol is strong, I know your partnership with Christ will make you stronger to withstand the temptation and see you through to a full recovery.

Remember, "[t]he temptations in your life are no different from what others experience.  And God is faithful.  He will not allow the temptation to be more than you can stand.  When you are tempted, he will show you a way out so that you can endure," (1 Corinthians 10:13 NLT).



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Lady Guinevere 7 years ago from West Virginia

Anyone who goes to a doctor or physician and gets drugs is doing this.  The pharmaceutical companies have just about everyone on some kind of drug.  Which version of that Bible are you using for some it says things a bit differently.  Also the verses that you used to describe things in Galations you should also add the rest of them for a more clearer pupose.  Everything in moderation and everything in it's own time and each has it's own purpose.

In the OT it states that every single plant on this earth is for us to consume--every single one.


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meetbrandon 7 years ago from Houston, Texas Author

Lady Guinevere, medicinal marijuana, in some cases, isn't smoked but ingested, in which case I might see how that doesn't fit; these scriptures, as I know them, refers to otherwise healthy people smoking weed for the calming effect of the drug. As a result, that makes the drug a vehicle for sin and opens the user up to idolizing and craving the drug. That is not what God intends for us.


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Lady Guinevere 7 years ago from West Virginia

Yeah right!!! Have you ever met someone that needed it for the pain of MS? He didn't crave the drug and much as just wanting the pain to stop. He finally died of a massive heart attack not because of Mary Jan. You will get a bit of a different picture if you did more research in the Health Forum and from articles on the net. Sin is the lack and suppression of knowledge. Speaking of Idolizing what is being done with the Jesus on the cross and the ten commandments that tell us that we should not have any graven image of anything in the sky, on the ground or in the water, or of anything in heaven.


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Lady Guinevere 7 years ago from West Virginia

Galations also says this:

22And the fruit of the Spirit is: Love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith,

23meekness, temperance: against such there is no law;

24and those who are Christ's, the flesh did crucify with the affections, and the desires;

25if we may live in the Spirit, in the Spirit also we may walk;

26let us not become vain-glorious -- one another provoking, one another envying!


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drpastorcarlotta 7 years ago from BREAKOUT MINISTRIES, INC. KC

You said it meetbrandon, God can turn around anything!!! Blessings!!!


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Ivorwen 7 years ago from Hither and Yonder

The Greek word translated sorcery is the same word we derive the term Pharmacy from. The mixing and making of drugs -- chemicals. I could see it applied to meth and most things prescribed by a doctor, but not herbs -- whether in a dry form, oil or tincture. Consider the way Fluoride is being used to create docile people, by placing it in city water supplies

For the most part, I think we tend to be quite ignorant of the benefits of plants, even in a smoked form. I am not for 'weed' use, but in moderation, just as with alcohol, I don't think there is a problem with the plant. In the USA, it is illegal, and Christians are instructed to obey the laws of the land.


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Tatjana-Mihaela 7 years ago from Zadar, CROATIA

Well, I are with Lady G. and with Ivorwen. There is difference between use and abuse. And I agree ith you, as well.

"Long hours in the tavern" is alcoholism...what is self-destruction.

...bu somehow some people think that " God is showing them the way out" through the alcohol, drugs, medications...and believe that since the beginning of the time. What is sad fact.

Noah was not showing the future generations very good example!

I like your article.


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meetbrandon 7 years ago from Houston, Texas Author

Thanks for the comments everyone. While this is certainly a sensitive topic which offers a lot of different view points, I think ultimately its important to remember we share one consistent foundation, and that is Jesus Christ died for our sins that we might be redeemed and find everlasting life with Him in Heaven.

I appreciate your comments and goodwill.


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Lady Guinevere 7 years ago from West Virginia

Now where in the orginal Bible did it say "might"? He came to Save us all. He siad that we can do exactly what he did and much much much more and what was that? Not all is in the Bible either and so we can only go by the 10% that is in there. What about the other 90%? Is it not just as important? Everything has a reason, a season and a purpose. Nothing was left out of that.


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meetbrandon 7 years ago from Houston, Texas Author

Like I already said, Lady Guinevere, I am not debating this point with folks. Thanks.


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Lady Guinevere 7 years ago from West Virginia

You mis-understand me. When asking quesitons they are for you to ask yourself, not debate with anyone about.

Good day, good thinking and finding. Truth does not fear asking questions and gaining knowledge about things which they do not understand.


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meetbrandon 7 years ago from Houston, Texas Author

With all due respect, smoking pot never helped anyone I've ever known; in fact, I've seen pot rip apart my family and accompany such things as greed, anger, jealousy and adultry. All of which are condemned by God.

I think it is quite easy to tell where God sides on this when you look at the fruits by which potheads produce!


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Mighty Mom 7 years ago from Where Left is Right, CA

Hello Meetbrandon! I logged into my email this morning and saw that you had published a plethora of new hubs. What in the heck? I thought to myself. How can the man be sooo prolific? Then I saw the topics were all about laughing. What a neat idea! I am ostensibly working right now but will check out some of your funnies later, when I really need them!

Now, as to the topic at hand. I admit I am not a Bible scholar so will not quote you verses or debate King James vs. Gideon, etc. As a general observation, I believe the Bible warns us of overindulgence in any of the pleasures of the flesh. It does not say sex is sinful, but it can be. It does not say drinking alcohol is sinful. It does warn of the deleterious effects of drinking too much. Clearly, the goal is to stay clear-eyed, clear-headed and focused on living by Christ's example. Why are people always looking for the loopholes on that:-).

BTW, the line, "Get in a good Bible-based church..." sounds familiar to me. Did you perhaps here that at Lakewood:-)? Good, thought-provoking hub, sir. There is/was a similar discussion going on over on the forums -- about if Noah had smoked weed instead of drinking. Just FYI. MM


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Lady Guinevere 7 years ago from West Virginia

Well you have seen one side of the equation while I have seen the opposite. You cannot say that your side is all truth and that the side that I have seen is not the truth. Like I said you will find alot of information beyond your emotional aspects that you already have on the health forum--mind you not the religious forum.


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Lady Guinevere 7 years ago from West Virginia

Acts 2:18-20 (Young's Literal Translation)

18and also upon My men-servants, and upon My maid-servants, in those days, I will pour out of My Spirit, and they shall prophesy;

19and I will give wonders in the heaven above, and signs upon the earth beneath -- blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke,


Robubba 7 years ago

Technically, everything we eat could be considered a drug. Hippocrates once said, "let your food be your medicine, and your medicine be your food" (Paraphrase). And these are some of the most true words that ever tickled my ears. But we do know some facts about all plants... God not only made all plants and called them all "good" (Gen 1:11-12), but also gave them to man to eat. (Gen 1:29-30). Now, God could have made hallucinagenic drugs during the fall of many when he made thistles. However, it's more likely that God simply changed the structure of already exsisting plants to give off thorns. Some examples that support this is the honey lotus, who's female offspring don't have thorns. And thorny amaranth vesus beautiful amaranths grown for food and decoration. Now hallucinagens could be the result of sin destroying what was once possibly something "good", and mutated it into a drug, which is very likely. Because there are other members of the Cannabid genus that do not produce the alkaloids for getting high. (Rom 8:22) "For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now." Indicating that it's very possible that these drugs are possibly just a curse-caused thing. But then what is defined as bad and good? Since it's not possible to make an exact distinction, we don't know. Could it just be the quantity that we use? God NEVER said drinking within itself was wrong in the least bit. Just the abuse of the substance was wrong. And although it doesn't take nearly as much alkaloids to get people into this state, you can simply take an amount that doesn't completely make you loose your mind.

God also told Ezekiel, while he was showing him how the temple of God is supposed to be, that the leaves of tree's will be considered medicine (Ez 47:12). Which implies that herbal therapy is a common practice among God's work. If that is true, that means that all chemicals form within plants created in the original perfect creation could be used for healing. And since people would never need medicinal plants in the garden of Eden (because the world was perfect within disease), it either was forknowledge of God to produce them (meaning he knew about cannabis' effects and approved), or that eating all herbs was a natural part of a perfect creation.

But, of course, It all depends on whether you think it's all right to do this. Think of this though, (1 Cor 10:31) "So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God." If you do get high, it would be a sin not to do it for the glory of God. Whether it's trying to become into this trance-like state in order to talk to God, or trying to come up with ideas for poetry or songs that glorify God. However, If you think it's sin, then it's sin to you. That was one of Paul's major doctrines. (Rom 2:15) " who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them". Sinning is sometimes relative to the conscience of the sinner. An example in Paul's time was how eating meat that was sacrificed for idols wasn't considered sin at all to eat if you believed in Jesus and knew in your heart that idols are vain. But he also warned them to be careful not to eat them in the presence of a "weaker" believer, because they might think it's sin, and see you do it. 1 corinthians 8 is a chapter devoted to that subject. Acts 24:16 "This being so, I myself always strive to have a conscience without offense toward God and men." Also supports the second thesis. (1 Cor 10:29) "'Conscience,' I say, not your own, but that of the other. For why is my liberty judged by another man’s conscience?" Indicates that those pure of conscience have liberty, but we shouldn't do it for the sake of others in the same presence (The whole chaper should be read for a better understanding). (Titus 1:15) "To the pure all things are pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; but even their mind and conscience are defiled." also supports the theory.

The most compelling thing against marijuanna however is stated in (Hebrews 13:17) "Obey your leaders and submit to their authority. They keep watch over you as men who must give an account. Obey them so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no advantage to you." Meaning the laws of the land your in should always be followed if it stays within God's will. Didn't Jesus also pay tithes to the church and give taxes to Caesar? We should follow his example.

However, in places where it's legal, without people who might think smoking is a sin, in an amount that doesn't disable you, for the glory of God, with a clean conscience... you may smoke marijuanna. Besides, God placed the receptors on the brain for that specific purpose. Because how can we say those chemicals are bad when our own bodies will produce similar substances?


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Make Money 7 years ago from Ontario

Marijuana was made illegal in the U.S. because Rothchild invested heavy in the pharmaceutical industry.  Marijuana eliminates the need for a lot of pharmaceutical drugs.  Everything in moderation.  Nice meeting you Brandon.

Mike


life 7 years ago

i like make money statement ,im with lady guinevere but meet brandon is right and robubba you the$


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twill4jc 7 years ago

Hello Brandon, great hub. Don't let all the people ran by their flesh lead you to believe something else or give in because this is a great hub. I was a weed head pretty much all my life. A quick look into my past life; Before i went to bed i would already have my blunt's rolled up so that when i woke up in the morning i could just light them and smoke through out the day. I stayed high all the time smoking dirty weed, cotton weed, skunk weed, purple weed, and the all so famus hydo which i kept in a class jar.

But even when i was high i could never get high enough no matter what kind i smoked or how much i smoked! The reason why was because the high i was looking for was not in weed! What i was looking for was in Christ Jesus!!! I rember sometimes i would drive down the street high form smoking some skunk laced with nyquil, only going 15 miles an hour singing give me a clean heart, a song that i just happend upon.

 I wanted to change and i knew this wasn't right, smoking weed, but the weed had a hold of me and wouldn't let me go. Until one day i met a brother who was like me but saved and filled with the Holy Ghost and wasn't scared to approach me and tell me there was something better than what i was smoking. He looked the part of a gansta and tallked the part of one but his presence was not that of one but rather someone you just wanted to be around and just chill with and even give a big hug. I could sense something different about him. I didn't know what it was about him then but i do now.

 Anyway since he looked like someone who was from the streets like me and he wasn't scared to talk to me, i listened. He invited me to something called Man Power and i went! The Glory i was exposed to was so wonderful and mind blowing i could not explain, anyway i got saved, gave my life COMPLETELY over to Christ and INSTANTLY i was delivered from EVERYTHING that held me bound!!! I never smoked weed from that day forth and i have never wanted to again! So what im trying to say is that when God touches you FOR REAL you wont have to smoke weed, drink, smoke, or do drugs; in fact you wont want to anymore. Im a living witness!

And for Lady Guinevere, no the Bible doesn't speak on everything straight out about things and certain sins because Jesus covered everything when He said "all that is in the world is the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eye, and the pride of life"! That covers all pionts and all sins in the world because every single sin in this world is under one of them pionts! So all satan has is three weapons. All you have to do is learn have to beat them, and you can!

God Bless Everyone


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Carrie Bradshaw 7 years ago from Manhattan

We are told to be sober and alert, so anything that makes you "not sober and alert" is against the will of God.

The apostles were accused of being drunk on the Day of Pentecost when they received the baptism of the Spirit. The Word tells us to be filled with the Holy Spirit, not drunk with wine.

Also, the fruit of the Spirit is self-control, so if something other than the Holy Spirit is controlling you, it's not of Him.


Heather 7 years ago

My husband and I disagree on this subject always and it can rip a family apart. He may not be doing anything to physically hurt me but it still hurts our relationship and I think of the future with my children. How will I ever teach them right from wrong when "daddy does it." My husband is not a saved man. However, I always ask him, if we do live in the time where we will witness the coming of Christ, what does he think will happen if he is sitting on the porch with a joint in his hand the day the Lord returns?????


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Kebennett1 7 years ago from San Bernardino County, California

Brandon, Thank you. Someone with not only common sense but also excellent research! I agree with you totally.

Lady Guinevere: In the bible you will find medicinal uses of herbs. I am completely satisfied that this covers pharmaceutical drug usage. There is a difference in using medication and getting "High".

You must also remember not all "Herbs" are good for you, would you smoke Atropa belladonna (deadly nightshade? I have a heart condition, there are a lot of Herbs and Teas I have to stay away from because they increase the heart rate.


Justcallmeleroy 7 years ago

God Bless you Brandon Keep the Faith and don't let everyone bring you down it happens sometimes. Amen


Alphblldg 7 years ago

Sorcery means Magic or witchcraft.


An7 7 years ago

I think most statements in d bible r lyk proverbs lyk jesus callin ur d light of d world, we r not actually light bulbs or torches bt source of truth nd direction dat light brings. So smokin marijuana for d highin effect shuld be considered sin cos its not of good virtue lyk paul implored us 2 be. So stop readin d bible lyk it was a book by charles darwin.


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oscarwms 7 years ago from PA

My younger brother died because of the so called weed. I tried it back in the day and I did not see any good in going around in a stooper, helucinating and being paraniod all day. For those who do need it for medicinal purposes there are less contraversal drugs that can do the same thing. Just because God made something does not mean it is for human consumption or use. Thorns and thissles, fangs and claws flesh eating all that came about because of the fall. I heard one preacher say that alcohol and drugs were given by God for the unregenerate man to find some form of peace. I disagree because all these things serve only to make life miserable for the rest of us.


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anglnflt4ua 7 years ago from Bay Area, CA

Overall I think it is a great hub. Whether comments here confirm your writing or conflict with it, it is a worthy piece and a very interesting read. Many blessing to you in your writing efforts.


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Jack West 7 years ago

Wow, Excellent hub.


Jacob Nelson 7 years ago

Wow MeetBrandon, Are you saying that people that who bake marijuana brownies and eat them are any different than those who smoke it? It has the same effect, wow, just more and more self righteous religious bullshit.


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meetbrandon 7 years ago from Houston, Texas Author

No Jacob, I never said that.

Thanks for reading.


Chase Poik Poik 7 years ago

Dude... despite what meetbrandon sounds like he is saying, the fact remains that Any mind altering substances is bad, and will have eternal effects that are the opposite of the "high" that you enjoy... what you just said about religion is wrong, and disrespectful. you just sounded like a frickn 2 year old when you typed it, and you have basicly stamped on your head, "RETARD WITHOUT MATURE DEBATE SKILLS"...


Chase Poik Poik 7 years ago

and in regards to baking brownies, or packin a joint, it is allllllll WRONG... IT IS ALL SINFUL... IT IS ALL UNPLEASING IN GOD'S EYES... IT IS ALL UNHEALTHY... and you need to go talk to someone and get some help NOW if you are addicted to any mind altering substance


Chase Poik Poik 7 years ago

yo meetbrandon... thank you... God bless you, and i pray that you can be strong in the spiritual fight... Keep it up, and God has a blessing waiting for people like you who are willing to take a stand... GOD BLESS


Meanpeace 7 years ago

Some people are confused, speaking of personal interpretation or socially manipulated. For those that fit this category alow me to clear this matter up. Where in the bible does it say NOT to smoke it or let alone anything?

  That is not rocket science. For anyone to try to manipulate the scripture to suit their own agenda is more or less  being a false profit. PERIOD. No acceptions.

 

 If is says do it. Do it. If it says Dont. Dont. To assume because it doesn't say not to do something (especially un harmfull and natural) for instance wiping your nose. Are you confused or think its against his word? 

 Law of God clearly states not to kill, steal etc. Quit trying to turn a gray area one color or another. If you look at it like an instruction manual then would you not FOLLOW exactly? 

Do and dont do. Remember that? Twist his words all you want. The proof is in the yes or no in the good book. 

  if your conscience is clean with God continue to smoke eat and grow it. Do not let false profits turn you into a sinner for conducting your phisical bodys functions. As there is no proof biblicaly or scientificly that marijuana is harmfull  or a sin to anybody. Period!

Move onto something more worthy like the subject of aborsion etc


illusions of hope 7 years ago

" Beer, proof positive that GOD loves us" Ben Franklin. IMO God laughs at what some people think is important.

Trust God and do good PS 37:4


Meapeace 7 years ago

Nicely put illusions of hope!


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Crawling Surface 7 years ago

HA HA HA its hilarious to me the way that certain people will take certain things way out of context to suit there own needs. It is not o.k. to smoke marijuana PERIOD! (I didn't make the rules and I'm not saying that I like them). Sorry no weed. If you believe otherwise, then I guess it would be alright for me to head out to Colorado or Northern Cali and start growing a ton of this stuff for medical purposes.Why not I would be doing it to help those that really need it, right, WRONG I would be doing it for myself As groovy and profitable as that may sound It just isn't realistic where walking the Christian walk is concerned

cool Hub though. Peace


meanpeace 7 years ago

So pop your pills and get wired up on coffee and energy drinks and still be an

inspiring christian to us all. Partake in gossip and judgement as

well. Eat all the food you want and relish in gluttony. All of that

and many more is accepted socialy and religiously.But is against the word of God. Is this the christian walk you walk by and speak of?

Im sure it pleases God that there are religious drones out there

that succumb to conformity. God doesn't make mistakes. He made

cannabis. You nor any other man have a right to remove it or pass

judgement on it. Talk to him and relieve us as well as your self of

the ego pride that consumes you.


Hopeforpeace 7 years ago

I have been smoking off and on for 30+ years. I read my bible everyday. I have fought myself on this subject for two decades. My husband says it affects me different than most people he knows. He does not smoke pot, it puts him to sleep immediatlly. I do have some anxiety issues that manifest in various forms. Life is stressful, and most of the time it is very overwhelming. I have three Children, two step daughters, a son-in law and two grandchildren. My husband has central nervous system damage from painting cars for 25 years and it has manifested in a spontaneous anger problem. I have been diagnosed with post traumatic stress. When many stresses build up, I get paralyzed. I can sit and stare all day, with all of it going through my head. I pray and pray and pray. I saturate myself with teachings and the word. My mind just goes so fast with everything that piles in my world. I will have many chores and work to do, but I just will sit. If I give in to my fight and smoke a bowl, it somehow breaks the paralysis. It will help motivate me and I will even do two or three things at a time. I am a very productive person, a hard worker and a moral person. My children have all grown to be great people of God. The biggest problem for me is that it does create a conflict. I want only to do what God wants for me. This is truly the fight of my life. I don't want to go against God. My mind tells me it is not ok because it is smoke in my body. My life tells me it helps me manuver through when my mental state stops me. I saw a special on TV about the different kinds of pot and how they effect people. The new "skunk or Kine" bug is very strong and caused the control group to show signs of mental illness. The other kind; what I call working mans pot, did not show the same brain activity at all. I will not smoke the new more potent kind. I know God has shown me that many ideas the main-stream church has is not in the book. I see for myself the effects of religion on society. I stuggle with the don't drink, or smoke but it is ok to judge and gossip doctrine that is rampant in our church. There is one women in my church that only wants "holy" people to come to church there. She is also the one that screams in toungues without an interpreter. I think we should all go by the book. Church (especially denominational) just puts God in a man's box. God is HUGE. I think it is sad that any of us think we understand even a small portion of what was, is and is yet to come. I continue to fight myself, for me that is the true sin here: Confliction. I was told once that pot greives the Holy Spirit, I know for a fact the "Holy Spirit has been with me and guided me when I was high. My daughter got a head injury and we were told she would not make it. I had just finished smoking when the call came in. I paniced and rushed to get ready to go to town. The Holy Spirit flooded me and told me she was in God's hands. I felt a peace come over me and I knew God was at work. I did not know if it mean she would live or die, I just knew God was in charge. She fully recovered, it has been a few years now, thank the Lord. God is always at work in my life. Daily I get confirmations of the lessons he wants to teach me. I would love to know the real truth about this subject and not just opinions of people. I did take one thing from your post, the part about socery and pharmacy. I was a nurse for 13 years. I loath the pharmacutical outbreak in our country, especially the whole antidepressant and ridalin epidemic. I don't drink or take pills because I like to be able to stay in control of myself. Many would like to separate God and science. God's laws are natures laws. I would like to have a direct word from God on this subject, the word he gave us is too unclear. As for me, the battle rages on and I stand on Romans 3. All fall short. Not that is it ok, to fall short and do what you know is wrong, but to know his Grace is sufficient. When I am sure it is wrong I am sure I will stop.


Meanpeace 7 years ago

  That was powerful and heart felt. I admire your personal relationship with God. Something that I think lacks in the world today. People perhaps out of fear or being lazy rely on the " assemblies" of saints (or church as we call it) To rule and govern their thoughts and actions. There is nothing wrong with that. But to limit ones self to dependency and conformity of the house is lazy and spiritless. Yes the word says to assemble. But to base a spiritual growth on that is like a seedless fruit.

  And like wise the word of God as well. I say that because interpretation is the key factor that regulates what the ears hear. Lets not forget the bible was written thousands of years ago. In a language that is not our own. As with any language a single word can have different meanings or spellings. A word can at the time of publishment have a meaning. However thousands of years later when the user of that word applys it the present day context  purpose of it is lost or obsolete. That's due to an ever changing world.. 

Heres an example: 

The word plaque. Am I talking about that stuff found on teeth, or that thing that hangs on a wall? And if the word is missinterperted one could think its a deadly disease (plague). And throw in another language and that makes for confusion for readers. For the publisher it leaves a door of opportunity to pick and choose what meaning each word shall have. As well as delete otherwise vital elements. Lets note who published the bible. Most of us know of the writers.  

  Having lived in the south "bible belt" for over ten years I have came to the conclusion that the majority rely on or unconsciously labor in their spiritual growth strictly based on obedience.     

  Again nothing wrong with it nor am I saying to disobey. The point is spiritual growth is not obtained through obedience alone. The lazy,ignorant, or content ones use that as a method of transportation through this physical world on earth. In everyone elses eyes those people are spiritual because they notice the obedience. Talking to God and having a relationship comes first and foremost. Pray without cease is an understatement. And why stop there? Try looking through the Fathers eyes. Feel his hurt, take in his joy, understand his anger. Step back and look at what people and society do to shape the way you think,speak,and feel. 

  Just imagine thousands of years ago it was illegal to be a christian. And in turn many people died. Also many people killed others for the cause of christianity or a religion. We know what the fathers word says about murder. Go beyond that and look through his eyes. 

How would you feel if one of your children murdered another. Would you forgive them if they repented. Would you condone their cause?  Well if it was for you then both causes are the same arent they! Would you grade you children based on their love for you? Or would you love them all the same?

 Ofcourse we all parent different.    God is love so you can only imagine that his love has no bounds. (this is where people get confused or think that its okay to disobey because no mater what They will be loved) 

  Imagine how God must feel about us bickering over a plant. Imagine how God feels about peoples lives becoming punished because they choose to use this plant. How would you like it if your child told the other child Mom wont love you if you do this. Mom wont let you in her house anymore because she says that is evil and so forth. Would you be angry and hurt? Especialy when you said nothing of the sort. Again you would love both children the same. And although you may not think that your childs use of this plant is helping them love you more. They still desire to come in your house but the other child is telling them they cant come in. That they have in writing from you that using this plant is bad. Wouldn't you be hurt that the child is Telling them they are wrong and you dont want them. Angry that your words are twisted? 

   Now the child that uses this plant is angry because he knows his mom loves him. He talks to his mom everyday.  He desires to be with mom and this plant has nothing to do with his love for his mom.

 As a mater of fact this child discovered this plant in his moms garden that she planted in her own back yard. Hows that for perspective?      It should not be a destraction from your relationship with God. On the contrary if it helps you in life then the people that tell you it is a destraction ARE the destraction.      


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aguasilver 7 years ago from Malaga, Spain

Hi Brandon,

You may well feel that sorcery refers to weed or hash, personally I believe it refers to what the Greek word defines; Pharmaceutical products, which are chemical medicines, rather than natural remedies.

As for it being against scripture, you will need to answer the following verse and be able to redefine 'defile' before you could substantiate that claim:

Mark 7:17-19 (King James Version)

17And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.

18And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;

19Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

Smoking may not be the most advantageous activity for a believer, but ANYTHING consecrated to God and consumed with good conscience is acceptable to God (your elders and your pastor of course may be a different kettle of fish).

Most people do NOT have a good conscience about things they consume, but whether it's chocolate or hash cakes, the sin would be using it when YOU thought it was bad, and THAT could kill you, not the consumption, but the lack of good conscience.

Finally, I believe this also covers the topic:

Romans 14:2-4 (King James Version)

2For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

3Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

4Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.


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HOOWANTSTONO 7 years ago

Not many people know this but God did condemn drugs, especially, herbal drugs like Ganga, and anything that is mind altering, coming from herbal origins.

Eze:8:17: Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.

Seems like sniffing and smoking is the problem.


meanpeace 7 years ago

More like not many people know why they say God condems marijuana.Where is your proof then? Show me where GOD condems it? Im speaking of marijuana ofcourse he didn't make drugs. HUMANS did .What dont you understand about GOD made marijuana? Are you telling us as well as him that he made a mistake when he made it? What do you think he gave us to use as medicine? He gave us water to quinch thirst. Animals for meat.So on and so on. You have many versus about herbs and plants presented before you here and in the bible.

And the best you can come up with is to argue is something about a branch? Do you know what a branch is? Do you know what it means? What kind of branch? Ha gee was it calamus? Or maybe a branch of denomination or worse? Not a physical branch! That passage is about sun worship. The writer speaks of seperation from God and his body or house (church) . Branching out. As i said before do not twist the words of God. Eat your snack take your nap and then go to time out. Nice try. NEXT please


big v 7 years ago

In gennisus GOD made pot plant, "any herb that bears seeds and fruit of the plant.

I Beieve kin GOD 1st as my master.......


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HOOWANTSTONO 7 years ago

meanpeace

You sound pretty much smoked up and protecting your own little garden herbs

You obviously dont read a bible so its pretty evident that your maturity and knowledge stay in the same plain, hence your blindness, walk in the light brew not the cloud off green stuff.

haha


Meanpeace 7 years ago

  I read the bible every day. And no i dont even smoke or USE marijuana. So now what say you? For such and expert on the bible how come you did not know that the verse you quoted is about sun worship? Furthermore where is your evidence to support your theory that God didnt make Marijuana? Wheres is your evidence to say that it is a sin? Try finding one that you dont have to mold like clay in order to suit your ego. Take all the time you need and dont forget to pray about it.


Repostits 7 years ago

The Bible people were doing the kinkiest drugs and sex all along in the Bible stories. From inhaling the smoke of “burning bushes” to doing some mushroom specialties as depicted by the mushroom shaped bonnets worn by the High Priests of God’s Holy Temple! God prescribed hard liquor offering to be poured on the altar of the LORD, too. No wonder the Bible God is so psychedelically oriented… and the theologians today go crazy trying to figure out what is that God is trying to say in the Bible INSTEAD OF GOING DIRECTLY TO THE SOURCE TO FIND OUT FOR THEMSELVE… AND MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU…!!! It is said that drugs make you feel one nature with God!!! You must bear in mind that for the first 300 years since the inauguration of the Temple of Solomon it was fully equipped with shrines for male and female prostitutes! So when Jesus went about saying, “my Father and I are one” he must have meant something more than just plain Holy rhetoric… If you do any Bible research work you MUST consider ALL PRECEDENTS and clues in the Bible not a few poached verses here and there to promote a particular prudish morality for the lay population that is contrary to the Bible stories! That is why I dropped out of Christianity!


repostits 7 years ago

Genesis 30:15-16 (NIV) But she said to her, “Wasn't it enough that

you took away my husband? Will you take my son's mandrakes too?”

“Very well,” Rachel said, “he can sleep with you tonight in

return for your son's mandrakes.”* (*Check “mandrake” in

Wikipedia! It is a hallucinogenic drug plant. Leah’s son was

obviously a very knowledgeable teenager, too!) So when Jacob came in

from the fields that evening, Leah went out to meet him. “You must

sleep with me,” she said. “I have hired you with my son's

mandrakes.” So he slept with her that night.* (*they probably had

plenty of mandrakes to go around that night, too…! Surely Rachel

didn’t keep all the mandrakes for herself. Rachel turned out to be

quite a dominatrix!) Not even Hustler magazine would publish such a

Bible stories promoting a particular drug. The morality of most of

these raunchy publications today is commendable!!! The Bible ought to

be censored!!! Oh it is that's right,because you did not know this did you people? How come there is no cermons or sunday lessons on mandrakes and this?? No drugs in the bible huh?


Rolando C. Doronila Jr 7 years ago

i been around people who uses drugs and one of them are my family member. I need advise and prayers for my family. i cant take to see them using it but i dont know what to do. I am really overwhelmed about this. somebody help me.


Rolando C. Doronila Jr. 7 years ago

here is my email address, I need some advise of what to do. I live in philippines and i am really confuse now. Please email me. rolando_afs@yahoo.com


Hopeforpeace 7 years ago

HOOWANTSTONO

Where is the anger and sarcasm coming from? Meanpeace is not your enemy, he is just a person. God is Love. This is a place to learn and share, not fight and be mean. Anger is by far more harmful to EVERYBODY than smoking pot. I see so many "Christians" who are angry-Why?


Hopeforpeace 7 years ago

Hey I have another question-Has anyone else caught the fact that John had to take a scroll and put it on his tongue (it was bitter in taste and sour to his stomach) in order to prophesy Revelation. What does that paper sound like to you? I remember finding this with a group of friends in college in the 70's. I haven't thought about it for years until I read Repostits post. I think that God is so big we will never understand all of it here on Earth. I told my husband I thought the answers are all in the Bible, it is just a matter of understanding. He disagreed.


Meanpeace 7 years ago

That's true hopeforpeace. I battle with anger myself. You made a valid point.


Meanpeace 7 years ago

And yes you are correct. We will never understand everything. Wisest is he who knows how little he knows. The important thing is to NOT stop questioning. And a final note that suits the judgement of those that use marijuana: Conscience, I say , not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience 1 corinthians 10:29


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Maraiya Storm 7 years ago from Prescott, Arizona

I agree with what you said in this hub. I wasn't aware of the Greek translation of the word "sorcery."

Any time you turn to any outer substance to make yourself feel better emotionally, you are basically saying that you cannot feel better emotionally without taking some sort of substance, and this viewpoint takes you away from God and away from truth. When you have no fear, guilt, or judgment (caused by false beliefs you were brainwashed with by society); and when you follow God's good advice in the Bible, then you will feel free and peaceful inside of yourself and will have no need or desire to smoke marijuana or drink alcohol or take any kind of drug. The issue is about addiction and what inside of you causes you to become addicted to outer substances.

The second issue is that when you take any type of drug, this attracts to you entities who will try to influence your behavior in other areas (such as sex before marriage). The Devil and his entities know that if you are turning to drugs to feel better, then they can influence you to turn even farther away from God. A person who is in false beliefs and fear can be more easily turned away from God's good advice.


Meanpeace 7 years ago

  People are confused or deny that marijuana is a medicine NOT a drug. God made plants,herbs,spices, etc for medicine. He knew we would have sickness. He also knew that drug companys wouldn't be around for for such a long time.  So man needed these plants for survival. Through social,thechnolgical,and political "advancement" we have through evolution changed our perspective on these plants. (some people have not).    

The point is that God made this plant for a reason. Satan did not manifest it, did he? In the begining he made all plants and said they were good. I

Believe HIM not MAN. He does not make mistakes. We do. 

   Let me see, the most profitable drug in the history of the world (aspirin) was found in the bark of a willow tree. Digitalis, from foxgloves, is prescribed to millions of heart patients. Insulin was extracted from mice, until researchers found a less cruel way to create it artificially. Quinine, a popular treatment for malaria, is extracted from the cinchona tree. Paclitaxel, an up-and-coming cancer treatment, is made from yew bark.

Big pharmaceutical companies are businesses heavily built on natural chemicals. 

Cannabis aka marijuana has many great attributes.

 1. Cannabis leaves, flowers and seeds are not narcotic. When the seeds are ground as flour, they provide up to 24% protein, and all the amino acids necessary for human nutrition. 

2. Cannabis seeds contain Omega 3, 6 and 9 fatty acids in a perfect balance for human cardiac and mental health. 

3. Cannabis seed oil, which is non-narcotic and identical to hemp oil, can be used in cooking, for energy, and as a health supplement.

4. Cannabis fibers can be used for biodegradable plastics, fuel, textiles, livestock bedding, construction materials, paper, packaging and many other products...

5. Cannabis is not physically addictive like tobacco, alcohol, or many over-the-counter drugs.

6. Cannabis is safer to use than tobacco and alcohol, which together cause 100 times more deaths than the total combined deaths resulting from all other illegal drugs.

7. Cannabis used in a mix with tobacco mitigates the cancer and heart disease impacts of tobacco.

8. Cannabis, used moderately, in conjunction with harm minimization techniques, does not adversely affect motor coordination, driving skills, cognitive skills, workplace safety, lung function, quality of work, or motivation in experienced smokers.

9. The estimated LTD50% (lethal toxic dose for 50% of subjects) for Cannabis is 750kg to be consumed within fifteen minutes, a physical impossibility. (Cannabis is safer than sugar!)

10. No deaths have ever been caused by the use or abuse of Cannabis in over 5000 years.

11. The psychoactive ingredient in Cannabis, THC (delta 9-Tetrahydrocannibinol), is useful for the treatment of pain, nausea, asthma, colds and flu, menstrual cramps, alcoholism, Crohn’s disease, spastic colon, muscular spasm in Multiple Sclerosis, glaucoma of the eye, AIDS-related wasting, motor neuron disease, mental irritability, depression, bipolar disorder (depressive phase), and drug addiction and it is supportive in radiation and chemotherapy against cancer.

12. Cannabis boosts melatonin levels in our body by up to 4000%. Melatonin is a natural brain hormone, which is a powerful antioxidant. Melatonin soaks up free radicals produced by our metabolism. Free radicals have been shown to cause cancer and other diseases and are involved in the aging process.

13. Cannabis is neuro-protective. It decreases brain cell death induced by alcohol and other toxins as well as diseases such as Multiple Sclerosis, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's and stroke. As an antioxidant and neuroprotectant, it slows aging. 

14. Cannabis helps prevent and cure cancers. Lab studies have shown and anti-tumor effect on deadly gliomas of the brain and other forms of malignancies. The Endocnnabinoids kill cancer cells by surrounding them and cutting off the blood vessels that help the cancer grow. And the list goes on folks. We will never discover all bexauae its illegal. And you know God is aware of what it does. Has been since he made it!

And as for using it to alter the mind or "happiness". We all do that with anything from coffee to a sad movie that makes us cry. Think about that. Have you ever watched a really sad movie and cried all day? Or how about a happy movie that changed your life.    Was that not a distraction from God? Did God make movies? Do you have a show that you just HAVE to watch?? Or else it upsets and ruins your day? Think about it alot? 

Do you crave ice cream before bed? And just have to have it!? Arent the same without that morning cup of coffee? Drink coffee all day? Cokes? 

EVEREYONE is addicted or altered by something. To judge wich is right and wrong is a sin. Are you saying you are God? Ofourse not. Leave judgement up to him. Is an overweight christian less of a sinner than a pot smoker? Gluttony remember that????????   


John 7 years ago

Actually, there is a difference between baking it and ingesting it compared to smoking it. Smoking weed is harmful to the lungs, which are part of your body, which is the temple of the Holy Spirit. Obviously, your lungs aren't harmed eating weed-brownies.


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C. M. Hoisington 7 years ago

Clearly you've honked some horns here Brandon, which is good for you, I guess. You've taken all these verses out of context and focused on nothing. You've even changed the meanings of words. This whole discussion misses the point of being a Christian so far that it makes me sad and angry. No wonder the world finds it hard to like Christians.


Meanepace 7 years ago

 Yes you got it right. That's what happens when you judge others for using Gods gift ( marijuana ). Perhaps if Brandon wrote of worship and praise then he wouldn't have a single opposer. When you judge or accuse people that opens the door for judgement of thyself in this case being Gods word.  Judgement is for God alone. All herbs and plants are his gifts to man. The Lord has given us all things we need to live in this world so that one day 

we may leave it. We are under no obligation to use all of his gifts. We are 

under no authority to take away or punish and judge others for using his gifts. Absolutely right!!! Distract not from the most precious of all gifts. 


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C. M. Hoisington 7 years ago

Meanepace? You're as big a clown as he is. Defending marajuana? Unbelievable.


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meetbrandon 7 years ago from Houston, Texas Author

C.M., out of context? Pray tell how? Using Strongs' Concordance as a guide, and the Word of God, nothing is taken out of context.

Secondly, "a clown?" Because I trust in the Word of God? Remember what the Word says about judgement, C.M.! God Bless and thanks for reading.


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C. M. Hoisington 7 years ago

When you pull pieces out of place and declare them to mean something significant by themselves, with or without a concourdance that is out of context.

What is the point of being a Christian?

A clown performs for attention, which you have done brilliantly.


meanpeace 7 years ago

meetBrandon,

I think that was satire along with sarcasm aimed at me.

C.M: Exactly right. That's why you should go by what the bible says word for word. And what words do you have defend that marijuana is bad? NONE. There are none. You say its bad. God created it!!!! Satan nor man did not manifest it. The very first page in the bible states that all plants are good. Thus said God! You are not a phrofit! Stop judgement and manipulation of the word in order to confirm your self

ego. By rejecting marijuana as being God created. By rejecting that it, as well as many other plants are a medicine as prescribed to us by GOD himself. By rejecting that other christians have a GOD given and GOD created right to use his plants. By rejecting that its users are able to have a relationship with the father, and the son. You sir are proclaming to be a phrofit. As no where in Gods word does it say that.

So i assume you shall cast the first stone? It appears you already have by calling me a clown. And your accusation that I defend marijuana for attention is a destraction from the obvious. God created it. God expected\knew of us to use it. God knew the effects it would have BEFORE he created it. Do you deny that he did? God made medicine- doesn't need to be made kosher from people like you. The laws of God and nature were established from the begining. To alter or defray that for the politics and judgement of man is pointless. It makes egos grow instead of the spirit.


truthseeker 6 years ago

It's been a fun discussion to read.

To start, it's frightening to see so many "good christians" judging and becoming the hate and pretention they speak out against. To live in ignorance, to condemn without right or knowledge seems a far worse wrong than living a life of love, curiosity, and understanding that drug use (not abuse) can nurture in people. Abuse, overuse, and dependency, are easy to see in a drug user. But it is those traits that make using a drug bad, not the drug itself.

i leave just two quotes from the bible, The first from genesis has been stated already but comes across very strong, seemingly definitive evidence for legitimate use of botanical drugs.

Genesis 1:29-31

God said, ‘See, I have given you EVERY PLANT YEILDING SEED THAT IS UPON THE FACE OF THE EARTH, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food. And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I HAVE GIVEN EVERY GREEN PLANT FOR FOOD.’ And it was so. God saw everything that he had made, and INDEED, IT WAS VERY GOOD.

we have been given the precious gift of this world and everything in it!

MATTHEW 15:11

Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; that which cometh out of the mouth defileth a man.

The act of using drugs is not wrong, it's about what you let it do to you, what you let it make you. For many the choice to do drugs is a healthy and conscious decision that affords the mind a new perspective.

one last non bible quote from the late great bill hicks

"I have taken drugs before and you know what? I had a real good time. Sorry. Didn't murder anybody, didn't rape anybody, didn't rob anybody, didn't beat anybody, didn't lose – hm – one fuc*ing job, laughed my ass off, and went about my day. Sorry.


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Nan Mynatt 6 years ago from Illinois

Excellent article. We all know right from wrong, even as children. Foods contains herbs and can be used as herbs. All medicines are not drugs, and will not have the effects as drugs. Medicine for diabetes and heart disease make the body function better from years of research. Bless you for sharing the truth with us!


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Joseph2307 6 years ago

I agree. Every single plant was created by God, and we got no right to judge this. My frind told me to stop doing it and she is under antidepressants, I tried them and I felt more depressed, and the doctor ask you 3 questions and tells yopu what is wrong with you. I wonder when it will be the day that people that reads the bible are gonna start preching love and salvation without preaching sin. A lot of this blogs are written because people want either to smoke or drink so bad, they are trapped in religion and they start messing with others..


sasha 6 years ago

i cannot believe how whoever wrote this article takes the holy words of the bible and twists them around like this! I just read this whole discussion and it kills me that all the people who are claiming to be such great christians are the ones name calling and talking down on the others who are defending marijuana. I personally don't use marijuana, not because i think its "bad" but because i just don't want to.. we are not here to judge the actions of others as christians.. we are here to share love and salvation.. everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and opinions.. but what makes you think that another person is wrong for thinking something different than you? using marijuana is not a sin!!! i'm sorry but marijuana has never influenced me to partake in sinful actions.. even if it did.. it isn't the marijuana that is a sin it is the action itself that is a sin!!

personally i understand why people think marijuana is a sin.. it is human nature to conform to society and in the society we live in today marijuana is frowned upon.. wanna know why? because its illegal!! wanna know why???? because the government cant make money off of it!!! it is so easily grown that anyone can get it for free! if antidepressants or Ritalin could be grown in your backyard.. it would be illegal.

"Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. FOR EVERYTHING CREATED BY GOD IS GOOD AND NOTHING IS TO BE REJECTED IF IT IS RECEIVED WITH THANKSGIVING." 1 timothy 4:1-4

if you believe in the words of the bible than it looks to me like rejecting anything god made is against the word..


ClareBaros 6 years ago

Thank goodness we're under the blood of Jesus Christ in the New Covenant who took our sickness and dis-ease at the cross so we can have divine health. Egypt in Hebrew means stress. God can only work for us when we rest and just waits on us when we are stressed.


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Joseph2307 6 years ago

Nice comments girls.. Both of you..


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brotheryochanan 6 years ago from BC, canada

This is a no brainer for me but it does mean I had to use my "spiritual common sense". Of course i cannot go out and drink and smoke pot or do cocaine. ( i can't stay in and do this either :0) Theres enough clear scriptures in proverbs alone to reprimand being drunken, this would naturally apply to marijuanna too.

Aside from that, we are the temple of god. If we want god to dwell in us we need to keep ourselves sober and aware. I cannot imagine god moving into a temple where there is smoke and alcohol, etc. I dont need to see a scripture about something to abide by what i believe is obviously correct. As in the world we used our common sense so in spiritual. Bless god! in all we do and we cant go wrong.


brotheryochanan 6 years ago

to sasha:

In every other translation of the bible meats and food is used. View this proof here: http://bible.cc/1_timothy/4-3.htm You can't change words to suit your own definitions.

My king james version says in 1 timothy 3-4;

(3) forbidding to marry and to abstain from MEATS, which god hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. (4) for ever CREATURE of god is good and nothing to be refused, etc.

In keeping with the context of verse 3 the topic here is meat, this coincides with verse 4's use of the word creature.

In my discernment this has nothing to do with herbs especially marijuanna. A creature is an animal not a vegetable. I might even go as far to suggest that there need not be a division between verse 3 and 4, that it is one paragraph.


Amber 6 years ago

Ok, this is in response to mEETBRANDON and the others who say that pot does not help anyone. I am a living example. I have smoked pot for the last 10 years. I smoke it because it makes me a better mother. listen before you judge. I have bipolar, depression and anger issues. When i smoke pot, i am funner, i am more patient, and i understand things better because i dont have a million things crowding my head. I think of what's needs to be done at the moment and doing what is important. God is still with me and loves , i know because i can feel him. What's funny, is ive met my soulmate...and it was through marijuana. I can honestly say if god had not made us meet....I would most certainly be dead because of the stupid decisions i made in my teenage years. My husband SAVED me...but the only reason we even met was because of the Lord. Now that you have met someone who it has not destroyed but actually makes a funner, more attentive, and understanding mother...id like to hear what you have to say. by the way. Since Ive started smoking pot, my doctor says i am in the best health of my life, my stress has reduced, my anger toned down, and my depression is almost non existant. Lady G is right, every plant was put here for a purpose. Do not exclude marijuana because this horrible world we live in has deemed it unfit. Thank you.


sasha 6 years ago

to brotheryochanan.. i didn't change any words to suit my own definition. those are the exact words from my bible. ok. thanks :]

in case you didn't know there's a lot of different versions. haha


brotheryochanan 6 years ago

Amber: If it is not according to scripture then it is just wrong. Many independent cases purport unscriptural behaviour. How do you know the love of god hasn't given you the peace which supercedes all understanding. How do you know God hasn't quelled the bi-polarism. I suggest you turn away from your past habits and try using god through prayer and supplication to fix whatever is wrong with you and then judge which is stronger: the lord or weed.

Sasha: the url in my post links to most commonly used bibles i suggest you scrap that innacurate foible of a bible you have and get something that has the word of god in it. I also think you fibbed.


Meanpeace 6 years ago

Here we have yet another denial of the obvious and forementioned. God created it. 

Seems that will never sink in to some people so lets look at what the scripture that's provided as the plantif. 

Drunkenness. 

Lets look at the definition,the assumption, and the presumption. 

Assuming all of you know what each of those words mean lets move on. Snacks and milk will be

Passed out at the end of class to those who behaive:-D

Drunkenness has the word drunk in it does it not? Drunk is past tense of the word drink. And repetition is assumed. Drink is a liquid is it not?

And we can all quess what kind of liquid is implicated here cant we?

So what's the presumption? That it means any form of intoxication or

Mind altering?

The sole meaning of a word rests not on just it definition. Therein lies the catalyst that people take advantage of in twisting and bending words to suit their agenda.

To say that drunkenness includes the use of herbs that are smoked or eaten are a presumption and assumption. And that being the case there can be

No assigned or lawful definition of such. 

So we have once again oppinion interpreting Gods word. We have oppionion charging others as sinners for the use of an herb. For what ever reason it can be used for; God knows,

And knew. So if this devil of a plant we call marijuana is/was so evil im a little disapointed that God neglected to inspire all profits, and desciples alike to warn us about it. 

Did he hold off and elect busy body christians to do it instead? 

If our only caution and poorly demonstrated "commandment" rests upon peoples presumption,assumption and oppinions; then any logical and common sense aproach to this subject can be restrained by all the inhibitors of our spiritual progression. Its foolish to point fingers at herb smokers while patting the shoulders of busy bodys.

 The use of herbs are WELL mentioned in Gods word. The wise men brought forth two herbs as gifts for petes sake!

 To those o you that use herbs for practical and natural God inspired/created remedy continue to do so. Thank and love God for his provided remedy. Embrace his spirit in hope to abandon all earthly attatchements. 

To those who charge others as sinners for the use of herbs congratulations on your devine wisedom and self proclaimed prophecy. Maybe our heavenly father will use all of you as Judges at heavens court.


Mike92557 6 years ago

I call all Marijuana advocates to please stop abusing verses of Scripture by ripping them out of context for your agenda. I am so tired of people who have no clue about the Bible to use the Bible to support their position. It is absolutely ridiculous seeing the verses they use. "Oh, God says to use every tree and herb...that must mean smoke weed." Ridiculous! Does it also mean smoke poison ivy?

That is almost as bad as "rejecting anything God made is against his word." Didn't God make poison oak? Yes, so should we smoke it? Heck, no!

Pot smokers - please come up with more intelligent arguments and stop using the Bible. Thank You. And just in case people think that I am judging I am, just like everyone else in here :). And who says judging is wrong? The Bible only condemns hypocritical judging.


Meanpeace 6 years ago

Dude if you want to smoke Poison oak , and or ivy. Go right ahead. Nobody would condemn you if you did :-D

Im glad you brought this subject up. As you implied that poison oak is bad. Where are the scriptures for that? Is based on common sense? Obviously everyone has a right to grow smoke and use poison oak if they want to. Its not illegal is it? Why not? Its bad it causes allergic reactions. What if children "got ahold of it". Why in sams name isn't it illegal then? Yet marijuana is. This is the part where you wish that marijuana had a prefix; poison juana . Gee i wonder why they neglected to add that? Could it be that its not poison? As mentioned countless times its a medicine made by God. And thank you for pointing out that God also made poisonous plants as well :-D

And your request for intelligent arguments is satire for your own vanity. Shall we question why God made/allowed anything evil period? Atleast you aknowledged that we wouldn't be in sin if we did smoke poison oak or at least indirectly implied. 

As for abusing verses of Scripture by ripping them out of context you have failed to give a valid example of such.

 Your quote of  "Oh, God says to use every tree and herb...that must mean smoke weed." Is based on a direct abuse and misenterpretation conducted by your self. Are you trying to quote the book of Genesis? Surely that was a reference to God saying that they were good? Insert clarification please.

You see Mike, if you want to eat a poison puffer fish or

Bite the head of a rattle snake or anything else poisonous who are we to judge you? And yes the scripture wouldn't condemn you for it. You could even argue that its for meat or survival. Sure everyone would think your crazy. But therein lies your personal liberty if you know how to prepare such that it does not harm you , yet we assume that it does. Then we would be the fool wouldn't we? Let me remind you that marijuana is not harmful. It does not have to be specialy prepared. It has medical benefits. And there is countles scripture that you dont have to manipulate to back its existence let alone its porpose.

  And im Sure God smiled when you said that you are judging and that only hypocritical judgement is bad. What version of the Bible do you read by the way? There are many many verses about judgement. I only will list a few of them. No where do i see the word hypocritical in there. So to pardon your pride in order to justify condeming those that use this herb is crazy. I judge not of you or anyone else. You are entitled to your oppinions. However those that deffend their beliefs and actions are not in judgement for doing so. Its a deffense not a judgement. On the contrary you are not defending your position. You are charging users as sinners. The lord thinks no worse of a herb smoker than he does of a ciggerette smoker. Niether should you. If the Lord had it his way we wouldn't eat, drink or do anything but serve and worship him. So to nitt pick what little details of items that are incorporated in doing just that is pointless. I by no means am saying that God is bad for wanting our complete attention. That is/would be for our best benefit and intrest anyways! Its just that human nature is bound by this seperation from God. He is a jealous God. Rightfuly so! All the credit is due him! Suffer not however the minuscule addaptions man has used. If your brother or sister has fallen pick them up. If they are covered in sin pray for them. And never forget there is but ONE judge.     

 1 peter 4:15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.

1st corinthians 10:29Conscience, I say , not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience

  Mathew 7;1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again

Romans 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way

1st Corinthians  4:3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self. 4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord

Colossians  2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days.

James4:11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. 12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another

And regarding the law and peoples perception of it chew on this: 

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.


James 6 years ago

This is what God has to say.

Rev 1 v 9-13 he also says Prov 17:22 and Eze 47:12

But I think that we as stewards and bondservants of Christ must consider wether or not smoking pot and dringking is OK.

What we should be asking ourself am I saved.

God says in Romans 14:1-23

this is the word of god on this subject no doubt.

I hope this helps

God also says in 1 th 5:1 that we are called to a vocation.

What is that vocation? simply to share the Gospel of salvation,there is no doubt we are in the end times we have been for two thousand years ever since satan was released from the pit in Rev 20:7 to decieve the nations.

The antichrist is here and has been for a long time God says so in 1 Jo 2:18

He told us in mathew 24:15 to have understanding, Salvation iis the Lords

;1


meanpeace 6 years ago

The Antichrist is and was always "here" even in Christs day.


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mythbuster 6 years ago from Utopia, Oz, You Decide

I've enjoyed this hub, Brandon - but I've also enjoyed this post from "Mike" from about 10 months back:

"Marijuana was made illegal in the U.S. because Rothchild invested heavy in the pharmaceutical industry. Marijuana eliminates the need for a lot of pharmaceutical drugs. Everything in moderation. Nice meeting you Brandon.

Mike"


Tyler 6 years ago

Jesus said "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God. Blessed are those persecuted for righteousness' sake: For theirs is the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:9-10)and God gave us every seed bearing plant on this earth.

About alcohol Jesus' first miracle was turning the water into wine at the wedding and to say that alcohol itself is bad would be lie.

I believe it is a matter of choice and that you should not try to discredit ones beliefs God does not judge us by the things that go into our mouths but by the things that come out of it.


sasha 6 years ago

dang meanpeace you sure showed mike.. i was looking forward to what he could possibly say to respond to your post..... but i guess you shut him up haha

brotheryochanan... please show me the way! show me what is the "correct" bible... cause im sure you know which one is the real version that god intended us to read........ NOT


Meanpeace 6 years ago

Well put Tyler!

Ok folks regarding wine (alcohol) as a sin, here is the black and white end all verse. There is no ifs ands or buts about using it. As with ANYthing glutony its self is sin. 

Everyone get your bibles out, turn to 1st timothy chapter 5 verse 23.

I will display the kj version. And ironicly the new standard version makes it more plane and simple for chargers of sin to understand:

23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

If someone needs help understanding that then i will gladly help.

No brainers- yes that's not an excuse to be drunken.

Judges of man- mark that one off your list.

Gods peace


Texasbeta 6 years ago

Farmekia isn't implying anything with the direction to illegal drugs, except what YOU put towards that thought. Historically, most of the common illegal drugs were used by the very societies who built your church and wrote your scripture. Archeological evidence provides clear evidence of this. Furthermore, marijuana grows naturally, would have been put here by YOUR GOD directly, and nothing happens to it before it is used. How is that for straight from God and for a point? Your scripture has been rewritten and changed so many times, how can you believe that over something that would have HAD to come from the creator, and isn't change a bit before it is used? You could call it directly from God.


Meanpeace 6 years ago

Excellent view point Texasbeta. Thank you for directly pointing out the other wise inherent obvious!

Euphoria ; side effect?

Unless its a new girlfriend or sports car right? Then its thought association that produces the euphoria. Although marijuana is a natural euphoria producer (phun intended). Sports cars, girls, or any other material manifestation leading to emotional rush is a more acceptable form.


bibjoke 6 years ago

i actually believe the bible was written by a bunch of guys that were on some form of drugs. a lot of times the bible is a contradictions and some of it is hard to believe! if god was a loving god, why all the punishments? where did the dino's come from, the bible never mentions those either, and yet there is evidence they existed! how can some people in the bible be like 600 year's of age or older? adam and eve were the first people in the world and they had son's, WHERE did the son's get the wives from? god was jesus in the flesh, so he knew he could resurect himself ... i know i am gonna get slammed here by all the so called good christians, but would be nice if someone had a few answers to teach an under educated bible person!


JenForgiven 6 years ago

Regardless of everyones personal views or if God made the plants it must be good.. Scripture says to obey the laws and it is illegal. Therefore, yes, it is a sin to consume weed in any form. And it also says to be alert and on the watch for enemy attacks, which you cannot do on weed. I know from personal experience and I praise God that I am no longer involved with that crap.


Meanpeace 6 years ago

Here's a couple answers: Punishments or evil is a result of Human nature not Gods. That is evident in the bible and even worldy knowledge as well. Call it action and reaction if it floats your boat. Regardless the govenor of that is humans. God has control yes. But who is that control given to? Its like the game called dirty santa. We all control who gets what and what we bring as a gift to a certin extent. Its just that we dont have direct control. So do we question who "really" is in control? Ofcourse not its all part of the game.

  

The bible never mentions where turds come from either. Yet we all know! Emagine Adam or and Eves first bowel movement. Do you suppose it was mystifying regarding origin,purpose and cause? There probably wasn't any thought to it. Call it graphic or comical that's just breaking the crap down. :-D my point is we as humans loose sight of what is inherently part of "devine knowledge" from the moment we learn to walk and talk as humans.

Our minds,logic and reason become tainted with questioning of what already is. But in that mind it is "new" so it seems justifiable and logical to question.


Meanpeace 6 years ago

Scripture says to obey the laws:

Ok lets address this one first off with clarification between statutes and law.

There are only 3 LAWS. Harm, damage, or fraud. These were and always will be the first and only laws! They have been inforced on every soil since the begining of time. 

Next are statues or "acts". They are created by people or groups of people in order to isolate violations to another particular person or group of people. Plain and simple. There is no adding to or making new LAW! 

 

With statutes or acts in place it leaves a couple of scenarios. The ones that obey law will after time (however long it takes for a statute to be made that targets your particular group or person) be in violation of a statute or act eventually. Many many statutes were/are created out of some sort of monitary or corruptional greed and manipulation. 

 Do you have any idea how many so called laws as you call it have been made, re writen, removed and reinstated???? Seriously it is mind bogeling!! Stuff like women voting, or african americans restricted to being seen only in day light hours?? Ponder on that awhile. Now lets just say you dont agree with not letting your wife vote or not letting african americans vote or come out at night. Are you gonna support that "law"? Is fighting for changing or ironicly REMOVING it a sin or bad (illegal)?? 

Things change because people change them. If that never happened you and i wouldn't enjoy the freedoms that we have and are entitled to today...............

Gods peace


john jeckel 6 years ago

I read almost 100% of this and besides the follow the laws of the land thing I didn't really get an answer. so thx 4 nothing


Meanpeace 6 years ago

Regarding being alert to watch for enemy attacks and noy being able to do so when "on weed". Are you even remotely aware of things that have been acomplished by people while "on weed"? George Washington the founding father (president) smoked grew and cultivated cannabis (marijuana). Even grade school history books indicate that! He encouraged others to grow and use it! So please explain your reasoning in that regard. Also Michael phelps the olympic swimmer. Gee isn't "weed" sopposed to make you a vegitable? Doesn't it destroy lungs? Your points will never be valid with just sterotypical assumptions.


amelia 6 years ago

I have read all post and i think it is your own conviction if you believe it is sinful or not if you put it before God your family etc... then it is but if you use it to relax and help you like i do for my nerve problem and depression then i do not see it as a sin.


Bragi 6 years ago

Marijuana, pot, weed, sweet leaf, what ever you call, I say no one has an opinion about it unless they have tried it. I personally have tried, I have no medical reason to, but when I did I never felt like it was wrong. If anything, it feels like your closer with god in my opinion, it opens up locked parts of your mind that you can not access in this state of mind. It makes truths clearer, sure you don't react as fast as normal and it puts you in danger, but that's why you find a safe place or have someone to watch over you while in that state which can be used to find answers. In the rights hands, it can bring great wisdom


Meanpeace 6 years ago

Great point Bragi, but i disagree with the reaction time. Ofcourse anything can effect anyone differently as we all would agree. But i have found it benificial not only in meditation but kung fu as well. Kung fu Especialy because the relaxed state. It helps with fluid like motion reflex. Much like waters response to touch. Wasting no energy from bi product of stiffness and tense state. It truly is a powerfull tool for it. Stereotypicaly one wouldn't think it would. Sparring is a testament to its effectiveness :-)


Bragi 6 years ago

@Meanpeace

That's another good point too, but also it affects everyone differently but ultimately the same


Bragi 6 years ago

Plus Marijuana isn't addictive


Meanpeace 6 years ago

Speaking in terms of dependency sure. But anything can ba addicting. Like water. If i say im addicted to water, is that a good thing? Why? Because its good for you? Addiction period is bad. Even to much water will kill you. After all it tasteless, has no addictive properties. So pyscologicly the addiction is addiction its self! Its a product of human behaivor NOT the product of the substance that's being "addicted to".


Jen 6 years ago

I found it to be helpful in helping a friend with these issues in her free choice of life. People seem to forget that the Bible is a manual to seek Forever life in Heaven. Yes!! The bible doesn't not have 100% of what he did in it, but it does have 100% of what is going guide us to heaven. We are sinners, we are not to debate sin, but ask for God's forgiveness, blessing, and his mercy. There is a big difference in using drugs in a cure and then use them in a self mind-altering state. No matter what the topic is or debeta is there is always going to be a right and wrong side and people who stand with both.


Meanpeace 6 years ago

  Heres the problem with that synopsis. Theres 3 sides not 2; "yours" + "mine"+ the "truth". Unless Anyone is in direct harmony/communication with God they will always be on the "yours" or "mine" side. God alone is the truth "side".

 And the people on the would be "wrong side" will always have to defend. The people on the "right side" will always offend. So is it more of a sin to offend/judge meddle or more of a sin to glutton,enduldge, be drunken etc?

No sin is greater than the other,right? Ok back to square one then. The answer to all this is being humble and meek. Regardless of your "side". Foccusing strictly on obeidence and law will not sync your spirit into Gods plane of communication/use. (Look at the many people God used that were not in strict obedience. Moses, for example. Anyone with bible knowledge will not need further examples of lack of obedience. But lets note their willingness to serve,meekness, and open mindedness)

 Your body will reject anything other than what it knows. (and being a stewart of law and obedience you know it all right?) Not good if God wants to communicate/use you, is it now? 

And on the contrary those seeking mind body altered state are willing to alter their mind to accept new plaines of existence. So in a sense they are humble enough to allow their body/mind to be opened for use. However one can presume where that path goes. Especially if the said person is not even serving God.

 Let me leave you with this:

“One ship sails East and another sails West. With the self same winds that blow. ’Tis the set of the sail, and not the gale,Which determines the way they go."


Superconducter 6 years ago

?Any sincere follower of Yahshua who is calling a marijuana habit into question should certainly fast from it for a period, to which the spirit will guide you as you pray about it.

Forget all this human rhetoric.

Be honest with yourself and your heavenly father.

Is it an addiction?

If so, cut it off and pray against the spirit of bondage that has been tormenting you.

HERE IS WISDOM (not my own)

Anything that refreshes you without distracting from, diminishing or destroying your FINAL GOAL, is a legitimate pleasure. Therefore, you can never understand what a distraction is until you know your FINAL GOAL.

Be strengthened, and remember that the greatest 'high' will always come from LOVE and TRUST in our creator.

bless you all for seeking TRUTH. ? ?


alex 6 years ago

Genesis 1:29


Meanpeace 6 years ago

  Ok let's get philosophical shall we.  Why even question necessity becoming precedent over repetitive desire (addiction)? Regardless of right or wrong or even addictivion. It is all still then physical element. To question intent or constant use is pointless, as that is a destraction within itself. For example: Fasting: What is the point of fasting if you know eventually you will have to eat. That is a statement, not a question (I'm fully aware of the benefits and reasoning). Because in terms of goal it's not relevant. God doesn't need food. Spirit doesn't need "food". Fasting is striping away of ego or attatchment for a few hours or days.

An attachment or "addiction" is the same none the less. Whether in a form of necessity or a desire. 

But the reality of fasting is short term. Food is essential to exsistence (for most of us). Some choose to consume "an abundance " of food. 

Food as well as ANYthing else present in this physical world is provided for man. So that bieng said anyone who eats food is no different than anyone who consumes an herb no matter the frequency or quantity.

 Why, it's ALL physical attachment. If you want to starve your desire of marijuana to death. Go right ahead. But you better add food to the list. You will lay on your death bed with desire (hunger) eating away at your physical body. Unless you detach and literaly die of starvation  while fasting. It's all for your amusement and ego. Even as Christ fasted often he returned to food. Yet another earthly attribute we share in common.  Pick and choose our attachments. Other peoples attachments are no different than yours. 

And regarding measurement of pleasure. Measuring pleasure or even love is pointless.  Whether from a plant,food,human or God. Consider the source and the destination of pleasure. God alone. As humans we tend to alter and defray both source and destination and scale it accordingly to suit ego or physical mater. 

So partaking let's say of marijuana and not giving thanks or (credit) to God is no different than a partaker of food who does or doesn't do the same. 

We can ponder our attachments and question which ones we need to "get rid of". It's undeniable there are some that we "cannot" get rid of. So it's all rhetoric and trivial.  

Observe: "I am". You are not the "I". Yet without "you" there is no "am". 


Glyn 6 years ago

GOD sense is within us all and words are arbitrary.


jim bob the liberal 6 years ago

Genesis 1:29 says, "And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which [is] the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat."

Weed anyone???


Duck 6 years ago

Hey guys instead of arguing follow Paul's advise Romans 14 don't do it if it causes a brother to stumble. It is ok because everything is made clean before God. this was written for food sacrificed to idols, but te issue of ganja(weed) and alcohol I think also applies. If someone stumbles in their faith because of you doing so than don't otherwise it is fine.


Meanpeace 6 years ago

Ok, I'm vegetarian. All whom consume meat offend me!?!? I can't sleep at night thinking about it. I'm sure others share this hindrance of stumbling concern over pot smokers. They stumble daily and stay up late refraining from prayer just thinking about all those poor pot smokers. Seriously tho right track wrong race.

If standing for truth is argument, then opposers of truth better take advantage of the silent treatment.


Ganja Kahn 6 years ago

Why!!!, Good people Jesus used cannabis, or Kanebus as the

Jewish-Christians of the time were called to do. Its actually referred to it the bible as an ingredient in more than one ritual, and praise to god. Jesus even called his disciples to gather the plant for him so he could offer it to his father. And if God didn't want you and I to get stoned, he wouldn't have created the plant or commanded us to use all the see bearing plants. F.Y.I Cannabis is a seed bearing plant, and the death toll a year from direct or related deaths to consumption still remains 0,so instead of giving your kids wine and crackers and church maybe you should remember your roots and burn some Ganja, Like Jesus, and even his forefathers did.


Mark 6 years ago

Im really on the fence about this, i just decided to quit smoking weed for religious purposes, but i was smoking it every day, and fairly often. Though not as much as some, Id go through a quarter ounce every 3 weeks or so. Though i dont really have anything to offer for it being good or bad, im finding that after having read your replies to this suubject that those who want to beleive it is ok to absorb THC in some way or another each person will find evidence in the bible to support his beleif. I think that looking at the root of everything is imporant. We are not here for self pleasure, we are here to glorify God. We as his creations must first keep him in mind, though we arnt his slaves, we are definetly his servants. We cannot server our lord 'high' in the same way we can not serve him 'drunk'. Though jesus himself drank he warned us not to indulge too often. The scriptures make it clear that excessive amounts of anything can be harmful. I guarentee that Mary J will cloud your mind. What I feel is imporant is that I continue to focus on God, and he will provide the answers for me. Im on day 2 of not smoking weed every day. Im just going to pray for all of those in this thread, and hope that he provides us all with a solid answer.


Meanpeace 6 years ago

Although eating marijuana may seem kosher, in that frame of thought so could poping a pill. That is a subconcious testament to our humanly animalistic thoughts and regression. 

Consumption it self is in the form of anything be it eaten,smoked,injected,craved, and even in the form of thought,sound and touch!

Every time you see something, that image is consumed. Every time you hear a sound vibration, you take it in. Everytime you touch something, you feel its corrosponding pleasure.

In essense smoking is no different than eating in terms of spiritual or the (desire world). 

Congratulations on quitting pot. Now stop eating, wear a blind fold , put some ear plugs in your ears , stop talking ,  put on some mittens and relocate to a monestary with like minded people :-D 

Otherwise you will have stumbling blocks beyond measure and comparisson. Unrealistic? Uncalled for? Why, because we have so many good christian folks able to enter Gods kingdom without going that far? 

So many chariots going into the clouds these days, i tell ya that Elijah was onto something. (sarcasm).

Probably never happen this day and age eh? Gee why is that. Elijahs direction was pretty dagum straight wasn't it!

And addiction or (daily use as you stated) quantity is just a number. 

Hours,weeks,months, or years are numbers.

 There is no math in spiritual world. Take for instance the term "having done coveted in your mind, you have done so in your heart".

In the world of man not so:

 The count at that time for the mind would be "1". But the actual physical heart (felt) count is at "0". 

To say that the desire is as worse or the same as the manifestation, is a popular yet irrelevant comparrison in our precious little world.

If i was to desire, lust , want , and crave bon bons every living and breathing second. However did i not actually consume any, the math would be as follows 1x infinity x 0 = ZERO

Im no mathmatician but that doesn't make sense. So why even try to impose mans numerical system on something that has no use for it, and proves it incorrect?

So your daily use or desire is no different than the actual desire? Cant prove it with math. Hey its not

my rules its Yalls!

So how can it be proven with spirit? Direction.

Direction is not only limited by alteration,deviation, and cordnation.

When you decided to "quit" smoking marijuana for "religious" reason. Change was consumed by "you".

Regardless if that change is EVER manifested into reality. You desired yet even lusted for direction (change).

We will never know the full story and success of your new "religious awakening and triumphant glory over the use of your spiritual hindering marijuana consumption". We will have to be at your death bed to hear you say it was a success and you reached your goal, obtaining earthly bondlesness spiritual inlightenment beside God.

However plausible as that may seem. 

However amusingly simular the thought of quitting pot is the same as actually quitting.

However much that math equates the sample principal as a manifested reality under mans law and concept of addiction.

What's to say what your next or previous (gotta love them numbers eh!) cloud,addiction, or stumble will be? Least you got pot off the list eh?

You should never question you spiritual direction even when your mind is clouded. The questioning is the cause of deviation, it is NOT the cloud. 

As the cloud is just a security blanket for mans succumbing to temptation. Let us remember even Christ was tempted. It was not the resistence that liberated him. Its the direction of Christ that is "set in stone". As temptations come and go. Direction should never variate. Straight and narrow is a direction that has clouds along the way. 


merryprankster 6 years ago

Thing is folks, (the important bit here) In my opinion, all this religion stuff was invented a long time ago as a way to control the masses.

It was invented by ancient tribe elders to keep people from murdering, thieving and raping each other, to stop the big out of control men doing what they wanted.

A big scary threat to keep them in order.

A lot like the boogiemen!

There isn't really anyone/thing in the sky making decisions or controlling our destiny.

If there was something out there the government funded space travel progect would have seen them.

The Hubble telescope would have seen them.

Us humans are worse off than animals, because we have the intelligence to realise our own mortality.

It worries us that we are not special and we will die one day.

Its a nice story for the little kiddies, nice to have something to stop them having bad dreams, and of course to make them behave. Its also nice for the old folk or them near death to have something to comfort them.

The belief in an afterlife will do just that.

A free choice about what religion you follow isn't illegal in most civilized countries.

Its a good way to comfort needy folk. So 'in my opinion' neither should drugs be illegal!

The most harm most drugs do, is in the terrible inconvenience and trouble caused by the heavy handed attitude of some governments and legal systems.

The persecution of drug users pays for the legal system to function, the jails are full of people involved in the drugs trade. There are thousands of wages paid to the keepers. The government of some countries are supplemented by the funding prescribed to combat drug producers and users. Wars are waged to prevent drugs being grown. They use lies /disimformaition. They claim that the funds made from growing drugs fund terrorists. When in fact it buys food and clothing for under privileged peoples. Drug use and prodution like religion should be freedom of personal choice. Religion is just a way to bully people into doing what the governing bodies want. The USA want to be the United Countries of the World. They will use whatever they can to achieve this.

That is my opinion. If I am allowed one.


Meanpeace 6 years ago

I believe what you could be referring to as the means invented to control the masses, is called conscience. Try looking up the definition of conscience. I say that as a point, not as an insult. Point being, there are literaly several definitions. Just like any other word yes, however the subject of a "religious" internal govenor either is inherent or with a conspire to oblete. You have to admit that is odd to say the least. 

Why would the majority of authors of definition choose not to include a Deity or religious practice as a purpose therein?

Further more, the first conscience was probably established when a physical infliction, theft, or murder etc took place. And if ya want to get technical that time frame was no doubt in an age without "religion" established simply because of language barrier and other social evolvements let alone enough people to assemble with like minds.

 Now the aforementioned took place because of a Deitys creation. A Deity does not need a religion or a church to exist. It does not need a person to have knowledge of its existence to exisist.

People assemble in a church body to worship (respect) and serve a Deity.

You could destroy all the churches, and burn all the Bibles. What you cannot destroy is the Creator. 

Look at it like this; If you were to say that all the paintings of Leonardo Davinci actually do not exist or does he. Crazy? Lazy?  

If you were to say because he is not present to validate such. If the paintings were all destroyed, would he exist? Now what created the paintings? The "big bang" of paint, canvas, and a brush?!

Well ofcourse! Yes, it took such to happen. But whos hand guided it? Where did the paint come from? 

You see, its lazy logic to simply say that all of creation comes from a collision of space matter, or just an offspring of "chance" from something that already exsisted. We all know something does not exsist unless its created. 

  This is usually the point where some would say, ok who created God then?

If God created everything, who created God? The answer is we (you) did. 

As Christ said the kingdom of God is within us. Regardless if you know it or not.

The confusing and even contriverseal part of what I just said is, that eveyone looks at everything from a physical perspective. The kingdom of God is not physicaly in you. You (we) did not manifest God physicaly. 

Lets compare this to love. Say for instance how do we know love exsists if we can not see it? If I were a stranger to love, having never felt or given it. And If I were to wittness you and your mother exchange words and gesture of love. It would appear bizzare ,unlogical, uncalled for and so forth to me. If I were to say to you that Love did not exist, nor did I see it between you and your mother. How could you prove me wrong? By Showing me physical objects and emotional addaptions exchanged umungst you?

All that would be irrelevent because Love its self is not physical matter. So in essence the more you would have tryed to prove it to me, the more it would seem like a hoax. 

This is where religion comes off like a car dealership trying to increase numbers. Quite often the apparel is the same, and so is the message. More or less what you are using to "get where you are going" is not correct. You need to use their method.

Churches get off on tangents and come up with their own translations and denomenations. 

Simply because the majority of people that assemble within are not In Christ.

So ironicly there are contridictions within the church wich makes "religion" appear more like a hoax. 

What the salesman of the churches fail to tell you, or fail to realize is that the way to Christ (their sales pitch "where you need to go) is not held at their dealership (church). The fact that people come to church in order to be/go somewhere different makes for good marketing strategy. So in short that new car you just bought, has to be brought for inspection twice weekly into their (yours,Gods now) facility . Although "salvation" (that new place your headed to) is free. You will have to pay financialy and serve physicaly at your new dealership. And your encouraged to make sales too. 

All of this does come across rather comical and fraudulant etc. Its important to remember that a Church is not needed for salvation (saving your self from you). I must addmit attending one regularly (I do) is both nourishing and entertaining. You will be surounded by contridictory,jealousy,greed,gossip,judgement and so forth. Its ok though because we are all forgiven and are going to a good place. Ha!

   It is most critical for everyone to realize that spirittual matters are different than physical matters. God is not fixated in "the sky". Hell is not "literaly below you". And further more Heaven is not a physical place. If it is then history would repeat and this battle of free will and temptation will occur again. Communion is not literaly drinking Christs blood. Somehow that's the easiest concept for people to grasp because Christs blood would have ben gone by now, and that's just plain nasty. Now, why people can not catch on to other non physical refferences is beyond me. Maybe their underwear is too tight or something.

So how can a telescope or anyother instrument detect something that is not physical and of this world? And whos to say it hasn't been done, just humans are unable to read the results? 

 If i were to say magnetic field does not exsist. What would you think? Sure you could show me the works of it. But i wouldn't see the field would i? You could aquire the means to display the field. But that's just a picture, wheres the real field? Do you see how this logic correlates with the denial of God?

Spirituality is not about mortality. Once again theres another physical deception gleaming and shimmering like gold to appease a physicaly minded desire.

Also being spiritual is the realization that "we" are NOT special. It is ego that is the conflict and bridge to free will (the choices you make).

Spirituality is the conclusion that the "boogieman" is you (us).

Opinion away! They're everywhere. 

Whats is undeniable is life exsists (pinch your self).

 Something cant come from nothing (bang two rocks together, make a spark. Congratulations you know what created the spark. Now scratch your head and figure out where the rocks came from)

 Some things can not be seen ( love is funny like that aint it?)

And I must say you did hit the nail on the head with some of your drug comments.


Just bn real 6 years ago

Assuming that one is attached to the westernized way of thinking. Christianity is a product of what and how Europeans thought of religion and life. Since their way of thinking is the most prevalent today because of how the laws are in this nation. This nation was built on European influences, which researchers call a westernized way of thinking. All this is to say the majority of people busted for weed are minorities and the people who smoke it are minorities and open minded folk who aren't that religious. I love God, but I don't have to believe I'm going to hell because I smoke weed. You see this worlds religions are quite similar except they are in different languages and different concepts are called different things. No one will believe that because people are to busy being stuck in the way they think about everything. Read people, if you did your research you'd know that this world was created by God yes. His name is different among the cultures of this globe. If the bible is the only truth then every country that has law not based on Christian belief are going to hell. Everyone except the U.S and other countries influences by westernized European thought. So with all that said the one weed reference in the bible means what. Only people who haven't connected the dots of this world biggest social institution(religion) will be more influenced by people making reference to the bible and feel more guilt about it. Then again there are pot smokers who just don't give a fuck. Fuck the world, it's fucked up anyway, lets just smoke pot attitude.


kalisnik 5 years ago

Hi, I checked unsure, but here's my current oppinion:

Blessed are the peacemakers

Pot is no doubt a peace making drug

Even our Lord drank vine

And although there is not much about marijuana

even weed can get out of hand and into your mind

Therefore everyone should watch out not to let alcohol or marijuana, or sex or whatever else, to get them out of their good path. Its about self control.


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noturningback 5 years ago from Edgewater, MD. USA

1 Corinthians 10:23 (NIV)

“Everything is permissible”—but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is permissible”—but not everything is constructive.

This may have already been covered, but another that sticks in my head is "It's not what goes into your mouth that defiles you, it is what comes out of your mouth"

Matthew 15:11 and of course we should know that anything that creates a wedge between us and the LORD is in essence an idol.


meanpeace 5 years ago

Amen. In complete spiritual development, or relation with God there is no obstruction, idols, henderence (wedges). So first and foremost comes relation with father.

 Any earthly thing or action after that point will be second hand and irrelevant. An example being Christs speration from earhtly body and such. Christ could have taken a hit from a bong or drank a keg of beer or evidently even suffered death. The effect? Irrelevant! His body or spiritual state was not of this world. People get so caught up in the words but disregard the message. Thus why Christ spoke in parables. 

Its not the letting of stumbling blocks that interferes with God and our relation ship. 

Its the development or lack thereof in the first place.

So to cast stones at blocks (stumbling) instead of casting stones at relation ship or pursuit there after is truly ignorant and lazy. Btw,  Merry Christmas everyone!


Knotta_Dummy 5 years ago

Seriously? THIS is the subject you choose to debate about the bible? How droll. Historically, many of man's laws have proven ridiculous. So, prior to marijuana becoming illegal, its users weren't sinners? I seem to recall the bible mentioning apples as sinful. Shame shame on you nefarious apple eaters. Tsk. Tsk. Looks like St. Peter's gonna be forced to revoke your golden ticket. Neener neener.

Now then, let's debate the theory of Adam's Rib, oh wise ones. If Eve DID come from said rib, their DNA woulda been identical, making HER a closely related HE. Clearly, I missed the verse about our incestual gay ancestors...


meanpeace 5 years ago

To my knowledge there is no

reference to the type of "fruit" that was forbidden. Feel free to "google" and see?! May turn up another hub. But please hit the back button :-D

Would you agree that many spoken or written words are not to be taken litteraly? Words like heartburn, bread basket, or refrences like @$$ chewing etc etc (poor examples i know). The same applies in the Bible and many other spiritual texts. 

As previously mentioned Christ said eat of my flesh drink of my blood. Most of us understand the meaning of that. And im sure you catch my drift there.

 So moving on, the knowledge of good and evil was the "tree" that produced the "fruit". 

We all can grasp the concept of the term money tree etc. We know it does not litteraly grown on a tree. Its a name we give things like atm, bank etc.

The tree of knowledge of good and evil was/is, there/here and everywhere. 

Odd that it was ok to look at this tree or fruit isn't it? Odd that it was ok to touch it huh? Just cant eat the "fruit"..... So lets break down this vastly misinterpreted lesson.

If you see something do you know what it is? If you can touch it, without recourse, it isn't forbidden is it? If you eat something, is it not taking it in, becoming part of you, supplying you, and changing you?

The fruit is just that. The manifestation of the action-recourse. The tree or the fruit for that matter is irrellevant and in fact unforbidden. 

However most of us are like preschoolers and need to be shown pictures of a tree, an apple and a snake. Its quite comical really how blind we really are to these maters. We treach our kids the in same maner. 

You see, if you believe in santa claus or not. If thoses cookies are eaten that next morning or not. He exists simply because the words santa claus exists. 

Now that may be a hard concept to grasp. But if you ever speak or write any words you create millions of things every day. Thus the fruit. Now examine what the tree is? :-D

 Now lets address the incestial "gay" and rib comments.

Assuming you have a spouse, father , mother , father in law, mother in law, sister , sister in law and so forth. Find it disturbing that you have so many father/mother brother/sisters married and having kids together? 

Think about that.

If a manual has things missing or left out. Do you assume its not part of the procedure? The bible has many many things that are left out. 

An example would best sum this up; Where does it say that boys dont go in womens restrooms? Sure theres a picture or word. But no warning or prohibition. Inherent knowledge - compliance is assumed. We dont go around discussing that issue because .......why?! 

And ribs. Oh boy another literal assumption. Applicate the previously mentioned out of context assumptions we all make.

Would you tell your children that they came from your dna? Blood? Genitals? Its all connected so it doesnt mater. 

We dont know "what" our life was created "from". So why would refrences of Eves creation from a rib be omitted? What, you dont know what from, but sure its not that? If your God you can do as you please. So trivia over that, is pointless mater.


Christopher Kingstro 5 years ago

What i dont get is how everyone thinks that just because everyone else in the world is doing it, hey! it seems alright? just because you perscribed all different kinds of pills because of your pain, does it really mean you should be taking them? think about how many people the pharmacudical industry has inslaved to there lies. There drugs dont even heal they just get you high and make the pain go away from a while.. so how can you say the marijuana is such a bad thing. when those people in the labotorys are mixing together allll types of different chimicals to get YOU HIGH> YOUR DOING THE SAMMEEEE THINGGGG! sure deny it if you want but buy these grown ups going and buying all these over the counter drugz your leading are young genaaration to do it also. look at it this way, did man put the seed of weed on the earth? no he didn't. did man put pharmacutical drugz on this earth? yes he did. for what purpose? to get you high. and to get you addicted to spending your money. There is plenty of people that are able to smoke weed legale in the us because there pain is so server that they have to have it. because if they take the man made drug it willl kill them!!! wow why is this so hard to see? But i do agree that weed should not be used in front of younger kids. people that dont need it. weed should not be used in front of younger believers. and in front of weaker believers because they could take it wrong. they could take it as a sin. but everything should be done in moderation. everything.

and Hebrews 13.17 yes we should obey the laws of the land. but only if that does not get in the way of the Will of GoD, if man told you that you could not talk about your faith in Jesus would you? i certainly know i wouldn't, so if man told you it was okay to practice sorcery would you? i dont think i would. see weed can not be put into that category because it has no man made chimeicals in it your not mixing it with anything and if you are to get high then your playing with sorcery. one thing i noticed with weed though. theres a point were you just cant get any higher. the thing is you just cant let it control you. i smoke weed but last time i did was about two or three weeks ago. my back hasent hurt scence, i usually can tell that about 3-4 weeks after i haven't smoked it a little my flipped disk in my back starts hurting. i could go to the doctor and get prescribed like 50 pills of zanex but am i? no! because i believe that using such is sorcery is against the will of God.


the truth 5 years ago

God said in Genesis he gives us every plant now weed is a plant it has killed nobody[it has been proven it has not,also its been proven weed stops the form of cancer]only reason why weed became illegal is because of the oil,alcohol,and cig companies so who are you going to listen to man who tells you you cant use weed or God who says we can i for one listen to God not man, i am against alcohol that is the devils nector weed is from God


Coke Fiend 5 years ago

Yes the bible was written thousands of years ago as you said. And translated (and let's not forget edited a few times, to instill whatever the ruling class of the time wanted) from a foreign language. So why would anyone take the bible literally for any matter is beyond me (it should be taken allegorical, if at all). The bible was clearly conceived by someone on psychedelic drugs (mushrooms, the psychedelic type, grow around Mt. Sinai... think talking burning bush) or they had schizophrenia..... Just read any part of Revelations for an example. Seven headed beasts and stuff like that, sounds like lyrics from a Pink Floyd album to me (the bad trip portion of the song of course).


Coke Fiend 5 years ago

Yes the bible was written thousands of years ago as you said. And translated (and let's not forget edited a few times, to instill whatever the ruling class of the time wanted) from a foreign language. So why would anyone take the bible literally for any matter is beyond me (it should be taken allegorical, if at all). The bible was clearly conceived by someone on psychedelic drugs (mushrooms, the psychedelic type, grow around Mt. Sinai... think talking burning bush) or they had schizophrenia..... Just read any part of Revelations for an example. Seven headed beasts and stuff like that, sounds like lyrics from a Pink Floyd album to me (the bad trip portion of the song of course).


Coke Fiend 5 years ago

Knotta_Dummy

The Bible has incest all over it! I read some of the Old Testament and I remember several mentions of incest, specifically this one guy (his name is Lot) who lived in cave with his daughters. They got him drunk and conceived his children and raised them, like it was no big deal. Lot is considered a righteous, pious man by christians. So I am getting mixed messages from christians, is incest right or wrong? The bible seems to glorify conceiving children with your own children. That is just screwed up!!


meanpeace 5 years ago

Glorification or "beauty" is in the eye of the beholder. The bible doesn't do anything. Its a collection of text. You and I do the doing. 

A spiritual path yet even a righteous one is not without sin. As it were even saints live within sin. Perhaps A better prespective on this would be the unconditional love that is/should be present between a child and a parent. Yes either or may sin until death, yet each was righteous in eachothers eyes. 

Our seperation of eachother as a spiritual family leads to our critisizm and judgement of eachother. But if we dwelt in the realm of love this would not be the case. Our ego takes control.

So to be frank its easy for someone to say "yeah that lot guy banged his sisters and got away with it" or "how could Anyone think he is righteous". 

Its easy to say simply because there is no relation to "you". If it were your child in reference it may be a different case. 


Coke Fiend 5 years ago

If you look at my post before this one I said the bible should be treated allegorically. Most christians I know treat it as if it were the "true" word of god, thus they should except incest into their everyday life. If incest was in someone else's religious text you know christians would be the first one's to "crucify" them. They would say it glorifies child abuse. And unconditional LOVE? Most of the christians I see use HATE more than anything else. They feel threatened by those who have a different world view. I know no one is perfect but when people start thinking their superior because of their religious beliefs I WILL HOLD them to a higher standard. And please don't use the annoying post-modern relativism stuff, quite frankly I'm sick of hearing it. Believe what you want to believe, your not converting me so give it up.


meanpeace 5 years ago

Most christians sin the most. If Anyone can be put asside or into a group,any member of that group is a representation of that group. Sad but true.

Wether or not a single bad apple can spoil a cart load affects not the desire to make applesauce. Applesauce will always be there for the making. The fruit required for such may the problem. 

We could argue who grows the best, who spoils the least amount, and who wastes the most and so forth. At the end of the day its about the applesauce. The ones that make the "best" will relish in their own glory. They will profit the most. 

They may choose to share their sauce with others. They may choose to teach others how to produce a good sauce. Then again that may be a mater of taste, and personal prefference anyways. Some will boast in their teaching. Some will humbly serve. Some will be jelous of the fine sauce makers. Some will put down bad sauce makers. It would most likely be drawn down to a group of bad sauce and good sauce makers. 

 

Each will testify that theirs tastes the best, or is more efficient etc. And sure some may care less about this sauce. But whos to say what sauce God enjoys?

None other than God.

Im not capable of converting anyones taste buds, nor should i be occupied with anyone elses sauce making method.

 Truth is im a solitary spirit at heart. But as a fault will do, I do engauge in busy body meadlings as we all do, (hence my posts etc). 

I struggle making my own sauce, and claim not, it to be any more pleasing to God than anyones elses. I do know that my gracious God eats it no matter how it tastes. I do know that God eats everyone elses just the same. 

Personaly speaking The term Christian has been turned into something like a sales pitch. And its like the salesman are union members at that.

True christianity is far and few.

I will say that denial of a supreme being "God" is lazy logic. But anyones practice is their own buisness. 

In terms of standards, they are easy to make and break. I could look at a coloring book completed by you and say you went outside the lines a few times. Your color selction is a bit wrong.

But the observer has different standards than the person coloring the book. The standards will change from hand to hand and eye to eye. Im sure God enjoys your coloring books despite any critisism otherwise :-D

And personaly most of my coloring is outside the lines. Because who ever printed these darn coloring books was a bit off.

And the word of God is not a text book. It is life (death) itself. Moving pictures and stillness within. Anyone who claims the Bible as being Gods word is limiting God within the bounds of print and Paper.

 God has no bounds.


Coke Fiend 5 years ago

Applesauce? Did you just say you make your own sauce? (sorry I just thought that sounded funny)

Denial of a supreme being is lazy logic? Logic uses reasoning, which doesn't prove anything to me about a supreme being. Can you prove to me with physical evidence there is a God? Because that would be what I would need to be reasoned with. Religions are faith (and emotion) based and don't involve logic.

I believe there are true principles to nature that we are incapable of comprehending because we are merely animals. These mysteries are what make life rewarding and make every turn unpredictable. If you want to consider these natural laws my "god" then I guess I wouldn't object to that. There are a lot of things that are unknown but that doesn't make god anymore truthful or valid, at least to me.

I was talking about people taking the bible too literally, I find that a dangerous concept (and slightly outdated in a lot of respects, ex.) stoning people to death). That was where I was going with the whole incest in the bible thing. I will restate that I feel any religious text should be allegorical. Like the parables Jesus told, simply to illustrate a point, not to be taken as an event that really happened.

I do agree with you I was labeling people as "christians" in a sense dehumanizing them because of some of my bad past experiences. I know that not all christians are bad, just like I know all Muslims aren't terrorist. I apologize to you for any offenses I have caused you, I was being very petty. I think if god helps you feel good and gives you a reason to get through the day, good for you. I however don't take any comfort in religion and I think we should just agree to disagree on the idea of "god" and religion.


Peter 5 years ago

I'm not sure it matters to God if we overindulge in drugs and alcohol. The universe is a playground for us to work stuff out and attain enlightenment. How long it takes doesn't really matter. We should live clean lives because we want to transcend our hedonistic selves, not because we want to please God (or anyone else for that matter). Only intrinsic motivations will ever really 'stick'


meanpeace 5 years ago

Your right, it does sound funny! And no offense taken hopefuly none is given.

Lazy, As its the dismissing of the final or beggining stage in creation.

 Big bang. Sure it sounds logical to me. But what made the objects that banged? Was it planned? Through observation everything is inherently planned or has a plan.

There are patterns even in chaos.

There are a few simple examples we can use. As to any direct proof. Therein lies a problem. Its the indirect that comes accoss as faith. 

Take for example a watch. The universe functions much like a watch. Ofcourse in terms of synchronicity and so forth.

You may know where it was made. And who made it.

It no doubt has engraved on it the information leading to its creator(s).

 Those gears didn't by chance fall into place. If a single gear is off or if anything is out of place that watch will not function properly if not at all. 

That watch had to have been preconceived. Assemblers are not just given the tools and parts at birth and considered watch makers from thereon.

 Everything has to "fall" in place for watches to be made. Everything from the training of people to the trial and error of assembley and function. 

In terms of "chance". We all have had watches or anything else really that has not functioned properly. 

So to conclude that life stems from any earthly (wordly) or material function is in my eyes lazy logic. Lazy because it is reffuse to go beyond the "known". Its a way of explaining something without having a 1st source. But it gives reason for a second source.

Just like the watch is nothing without the thought or plan. The watch is nothing without the hands to assemble. Sure the materials may be there. Metal may be forged and so forth. But it does not forge itself. 

So the logic of "who or what" "made God" is an argument one could make. 

Ok, who or what made truth?

Can anyone claim the ownership of or the creation of truth? Surely it predates Honest Abe?

Truth is not just an emotion.  However It can be represented by any physical, mental, emotion, etc etc

I too believe there are true principles to nature that we are incapable of comprehending! So, having said that ruling out a supreme creator or "plan" is rather  contridictory?

We can break everything down using this logic. Like the function of our body. Earths axis, orbit and so forth. Wouldn't you agree that there really is to many factors that "by chance" have seemed to have fell or "banged" into place? 

And why grant evolution all the credit? Even evolution needs time. Why would time make a difference in any case? More chances? More shots at chance to forge more creation,evolution, and adaption? 

Wether its millions of years or a split second. Time would be irrelevant without a plan. Plan, internal map, whatever floats your boat.

It does seem Crazy to either dismiss evolution or accept evolution as the sole reason for life. I think its foolish to say that evolution does not exist. Everything evolves. I see nothing wrong with an "ape" evolving to a man. I think its hillarious that most religious types get all worked up over the concept. Just because its not in the bible or so forth. With out doubt it will one day bite them back. And vise versa. Science in general shouldn't openly discredit a supreme creator. Its important to keep an open mind. After all man kind wouldn't have made it thus far without an open mind. Well maybe but there comes the issue of time again :-D 

I agree with allegorical veiws. It is ironicly odd that most religious bodies pick and choose wich text to take literaly.  

I do agree that most religions are based on faith. Faith and

Knowledge however do differ as we all know. 

  Faith in general does resemble something like a tooth fairy or something.

 Through my own observation most faith is a personal one and seems to evolve around personal issue. This helps ego get bigger. How funny is that. Chosen one complex haha.

We dont need faith to know that there is ground beneath our feet. 

When we get out of bed we know our feet will hit the ground. To rely  on faith would be foolish in that regard. I look at spiritual and earthly matters the same way.

 

Sure we humans have our limitations. Unlike ants,termites or butterfly we cannot use telepethy. But we can go to the moon. Go figure huh? Ants use this facility, so in turn they dont lose it. As babes we lose our sense of such. And we trade it for glorious verbal communication. Wich is the more advanced form? I Could go on and on with this kind of stuff.... Im sorry just a little more.....

We know we love our children. We know our parents love us. As for proof where is it? 

Emotion disapates like vapor. Yet we know it will always reapear when summoned. For the same emotion to always be present a plan is set. If you planned to never love again would love not exist? 

Do you love your spouse? Wheres the proof? In daily function and re-occurrence?

If something happens over and over again it is concedered proof.

Yet we are created over and over again. Not just us but countless things. And some how it all magicly works out. Im sorry, To think that every cell in the universe hit the (would be ecolutionary) lottery fifty fricken billion times is a bit lazy to me.

 By no means am I saying its stupid or unintellegent. Simply its just lazy... Each to his own though.

 My children say they hate me and im not their dad because i didnt buy them the scooby doo video at walmart. Im sure its a unversal tragedy. With due time that will change. It seems with proper time anything can happen or change. Almost like its planned that way

 :-D

I dont need them to hug me and say that im the best dad there is.

And sure they dont need me to make it through the day or give them comfort for the days to follow. However without me they would not exsist. And likewise a father does not exsist without children. What a sick plan that is........


Lexy 5 years ago

Ok what got me to write a comment about this blog was not because of weed but because the writer put "this decision can affect your salvation"..Putting fear in people with lies is not right. You dont get into heaven by how many good deeds you do or if you sinned, you only get into heaven by accepting Jesus Christ as your savoir, Look it up and that is THE ONLY THING THAT CAN AFFECT YOUR SALVATION. For many years i believed like you who made God sound like He was a rigid God who just punished punished. God is love, He didnt give us the 10 commandments to condem us HE gave them to us to show us that we could never be 100% without sin, they are there to show us that we need Jesus. And as for marijuanna, Gen 1:11-1 read it! Weed wasn't made by humans and it does says in that scripture that He was pleased with all grass and seed bearing plants...key word here is PLEASED. I think the only time weed beca


lexy 5 years ago

...the only time weed becomes a sin is when it becomes your god and it starts interfering with you daily time with God.

But seriously dont go around saying that anything can affect your salvation unless your talking about Jesus. Im pretty sure thats not good to lie about the Bible to impose your own beliefs. and weed doesnt cause adultry, a wondering heart causes adultry.


The Guardian 5 years ago

If God wants us to be sober, then why smoke pot or drink alcohol in the first place? Even patiants with AIDs should stay away from pot, and this is why: marijuana can also affect the immune system by impairing the ability of T-cells to fight off infections. This demonstrates the simple fact that marijuana can do more harm than good in people with already compromised immune systems. A Columbia University study found that a control group that smoked a single marijuana cigarette every other day had a white blood cell count that was 39 percent lower than the norm. This impedes the immune systems capability of fighting infection, thus making the user far more susceptible to infection and illness, which certainly isn't a good idea for critically ill patients trying to fight debilitating diseases. Can you tell me how this HELPS cancer and AIDs patiants? If by HELPING you mean KILLING, then by all means go ahead and let people use it.


The Guardian 5 years ago

By the way, it is a sin to kill(that and what I have said proves that marijuana can kill. It may not be the direct cause, but it still is one).


blake 5 years ago

most people dont know the truth about marijuana. especially because of the government using propaganda to convince everyone that weed is bad. even though weed has many many legit uses. i smoke the plant myself. it helps me sleep at night bc i have bad insomnia, it helps ease my anxiety, and it is the only thing that has ever helped my migranes. plus it helps you have a good time! weed is not addictive. there is many "legal" medicines, foods, ect., that have way worse effects than marijuana

I believe im a good person, i love everyone, i try not to judge others, i respect my parents and authority figures, when i start to get money i want to dedicate my life to helping others, and follow jesus christ..

if god sends me to hell because i smoke a herb that he created than i will stlil know that i have helped people in my life so it was not a waste of time.


blake 5 years ago

btw The Guardian, you are very ignorant, i hate how so many people are not open minded about marijuana. weed does lower the immune system, but i take vitamins to counter the effect of it. maybe it is not ideal for patients with AIDS but thats not the only use for it?


meanpeace 5 years ago

Oh boy,

 Another "study shows". Ok lets study shall we? If you anyone truely studies anything all facts and conclusions must be obtained. 

If not, this leads to opinion or discrepancy. Study results vary from place to place. Look up marijuana strengthining the immune system. Look up it weakining.

Just like a few years ago, eggs were bad for you. To much colesterol. Now theyre good for you. Same with coffee, milk  etc.

Aint that a hoot!?

 

I tell you what, "google" government patent on marijuana- cannabinoids. :-D stick that in ya pipe n smoke it. Can i get woot woot? 

U.S. Patent # 6630507

In 2003, the U.S. Government as represented by the Department of Health and Human Services filed for, and was awarded a patent on cannabinoids as antioxidants and neuroprotectants. U.S. Patent 6630507.

For those who dont know; Cannabis AKA "marijuana" produces something called cannabinoids. And you can bet your chips they tried to market synthetic cannabinoids. But guess what?

 Yep, its not as effective and has drum roll please SIDE EFFECTS. much like those humorous drug commercials " may cause rectal bleeding, abdominal pain, loss of vision" and the list goes on.

Looky here folks, why is an illegal "substance" patented, let alone by the U.S government!?Study that. Antioxidants. Neuroprotectants. 

Does that Columbia university study mention that? Was there a ligit control? Blind study? 

 Are you aware that Drug -pharmacuetical industry funds and supplies countless universities and likewise with $ and equipment, scholarships etc etc.

Lobbyists and drug reps cling to doctors, medical fascilitys, and legislators like ticks. 

Ever walk into a Dr's office and see a nice looking person with a suit and brief case on wheels? They get priority ahead of you and have a little talk with doc. 

Catch my drift?

As far as university studys, I know first hand. As a former Cal Tech employee, let me assure you such is the case. Studys and such are done with various plants and animals. 

So lets ask this. If industry X is funding your education, your lab equipment, your discovery (wich will be THEIRS)  and or your time.

  Why would you (more so they) want to expose something that

 A: would dammage their credibility etc.

B: Conflict with their profit and contribute to the competitor.

  The competion here is Nature.

And im sure pharma discloses all information to us :-D 

Sure they wouldnt leave out something like yeah it lowers white cells, but in return it strengthens AO's wich fight against cancer and other deseases. 

Now we can go into patents on natural substances, or the market compared to synthetic substances. Ask yourself wich market dominates?

$ the most profitable ofcourse.

Ask this:  how many synthetic substances have been recalled?

How many have died etc from such.

Marijuana yet to cause a death is under constant attempt to be "recalled". Yet the only argument for this is well it makes you feel good. No really big apparent side effects. Oh it makes you hungry! Yeah lets see and um could make you want to try other drugs!?

Sure it all started with a coke. But caffeine isnt in competition. So next victim please. 

Basicly it doesnt matter if there is anything out there that makes you feel good. It doesnt mater if its not harmful. It doesnt mater if its free and natural. Anything like that must be stopped! Im suprised religion or spirituality is still legal. Oh thats right its hard to control the mind. Wait, no its not lets use some agenda shall we :-D

I dont know about yall. But once im happy im happy. It just dont get any happier. So this notion that it makes you want to stick a needle in your arm or snort some chemicals is absurd beyond

measure. Its plainly obvious the facts for marijuana's negative effects are lacking big time.

Observe the classification of marijuana when it was first prohibited. What is the classification now? Observe the difference in social, government, and medical perspectives past and present.

Notice how agenda overulled fact? Google everyday things that lower "white blood cells". 

All this considered something that has not caused a single death is being recalled by air breathing agenda-mites.

Air its causes death news at 11. What, it does! We all have a certain number of breaths for our lifetime. Getting deep now eh?

So why smoke and use up this aloted air? Question for a question.

Why should you be worried about what i do with my air. You have your own. Nobody is blowing smoke down your nose.

Good luck trying to convence people that you have to secret for longevity in that regard.

Got one for ya, how many pot heads do you see in an emergency room, or doctors office? Why is that? Shouldnt all these low white cell counts be flooding our medical facilitys!? :-D

Its a drag pot heads only end up with colds and flus. Wouldnt it be nice for Agenda-mites if pot heads got something like cancer to better suit their "studys"

Gee with cancer taking over mankind, why isnt Marijuana listed as a cause with all this white cell issue?

I can see it now, we are all at a funeral yep little johnny was a good kid. But he just got into that pot. It lowered his white cells and he just up and died on us. Meanwhile we all are alive and well full of cancerous cells, depression, adhd,glaucoma, MS, lupis, arthritis, parkinsons and other fun life keeping stuff. I wonder why that Willy Nelson guy is still alive? Gee all that pot aught to have his white cells gone about now!? Hardy har Har


Jtownhero 5 years ago

All have sinned and fallen short of the glory. Christians are still just human. The only difference is that they are striving to be Christ-like which since we are born into sin makes it a daily struggle. Not every Christian is a hippocrite. God made plenty of plants that are not meant to be ingested. He made many poisonous plants that serve a purpose. God gave us fruit bearing plants so that we may eat of the meat from them. Just because something has been put on the earth does not mean that we should put it in our mouths. I have been referred to as a "weed Nazi" from my exs family and friends, which I find to be true. I have had more than one relationship, one including my daughter, fall apart because of the affects of mj on people. It effects the brain and it is not okay. Especially if you are a parent. You should be clear of mind just to handle that. God wants to see you in heaven. He loves you no matter who you are or what you have done. I think there is so much anger because people don't know how to save people they love that don't want to be saved and they don't know how to deal with that emotion. It's a scary thought to know you wont be seeing a loved one ever again and to know that they will be suffering for all eternity.


meanpeace 5 years ago

For those who choose not to read all the above posts, prior to jotting down tear jerking personal stories and opinions about a loved one caught in the vicious web of marijuans life wreaking treacherous seduction. 

 Lets break it down simply. I might have to start charging for this! Just kidding!? No seriously its a riot!

Okay, Is a company that makes the tool widely known as screwdivers responsable for what you do with them? Ofcourse not. Ok Gods off the hook.. Next..

Who is responsible for the screwdriver then? The person using it.

If i stab someone either accidently or intentionaly with it. Who is responsible? I would be. Is it the screwdrivers fault? No, (ok so its not pots fault). Next...

If that screwdriver was not in this world would that situation been avoided? 

Yes? No? Okay, so i wouldnt have used a srewdriver i probably would have used a knife or another SHARPER tipped "tool".

Lets go with a knife shall we (a little crystal meth anyone?)

 Ok so now itnstead of a puncture wound, the said injured now would suffer a deep laceration etc. Wow what a picture that was eh?

So is this magical world of removing objects from exsistence ~because of personal opinion or expirience any better now without screwdrivers (pot)? Well, you could say that all screwdriver (pot) related incidents are non exsistant.

However what is the outcome of this? One choice of tool is gone, so now a different one will get used. Incidently a tool that is not designed for that specific purpose. 

So in effect a more dangerous outcome is in play. Hip hip horray for thinking that one through!

Just because john doe doesnt either have a use for, or want screwdrivers in "his world". That doesnt mean jane doe should have to be subject to improper tools or the lack of proper tools for her needs. Just because john doe's little cousins next door nieghbor slipped off the screw and stabbed his other hand with the screwdriver. Just because he got so disoriented from this dramatic event and somehow "it" wrecked his family and life. Just because he has a scar on his hand from this screwdriver. That Doesnt mean that jane doe has Not managed to be scarless, and fully competant without any negative effects from using this tool for what it was designed for. Do you seriously think God created marijuana or anything else for that matter out of boredom and no use? Go ahead say it i dare ya:-D

And who is anyone to decide what uses are valid or not?

And further more incase anyone has not noticed its not the pen or pencil that makes mistakes. Its the mind, that controls the hand that uses it. It must be nice to have scapegoats to use. Yeah that slot machine made me drain my life savings. Those greasy hamburgers made me fat and ruined my health. That devil made me kill. Its always something else. 

Marijuana either helps you get relaxed (picture opposite of coffee), hungry (opposite of coffee), or up lifted (picture coffee). It helps me get very philosophical. This idea

that its bad for your mind is complete nonsense. Anyone who is ignorant before using marijuana is STILL going to be ignorant after using marijuana. There is nothing that fixes stupid :-) so why blame a stoopid persons use of pot on them getting..... Thats right stoopid.

 Theres is NO evidence that it damages brain cells. Its been used ever since man was on earth. The Egyptians even used it. So guess what? Its was used and around in Christs day too. Funny Christ gave NO take heed or warning about this "evil" plant isnt it?

Apparently the many uses that marijuana can serve is not known by some of you. It can/is used as textiles (paper,rope,clothing etc it is stronger and more durable than cotton and can be grown very fast and efectivly versus cotton!!) its oil can be used just the same as canola, sunflower, vegitable oil etc very high in protien and ammino acids! It can be used to make oil as in motor oil folks. Yep thats right. So much for digging up and drilling the earth and charging us an arm and a leg for gas. People you have no idea the many uses it serves. Especialy since its illegal! So why attempt to ramble on about only plants with fruit bieng used?

 There is entire cultures and countless individuals that use marijuana daily. Doctors lawyers judges professors and so on. And im sure they manage to execute parental roles just the same. Although it doesnt pay monetarily like their "jobs" im sure the duty gets done. Hardy har har.

Anyone who claims that it does dammage the brain or any other bodily or mental capacity is outright lying to suit there personal agenda. I will not tell you to stop drinking snake urine if it works for you. Likewise dont tell me to stop using a plant if it works for me WITHOUT ANY negative effects. Dont claim that any plant to have ruined anyones life. Unless its a venus fly trap and the victim is a fly. Examine closer and its either a personaly inflicted neglect/discisions or the backlash of police enforcement that truly "ruins" the life. Use a bunch of meth yes you will die. Its shows signs and symptoms to the body. Yet use is continued. That is a human choice.

 Its physicaly impossible to die from using marijuana. Its physicaly impossible to show ANY evidence that it even damages ANY organ let alone worse than everyday things we consume.

Its all evident in autopsy. You will never ever see one from pot use. Case closed! 

In matters of spirit inhibition, using it is no different than you eyeballing the preachers wife or daughter any given sunday. 

Heaven is not a place. If it was it would be on a map. Not-a-place :This is why Christ can be like um anywhere and stuff duh. Its not that he transports himself from the kingdom to earth. Its that the kingdom is Not a place. As Christ said its within even you. Wherever you are there it is.  Hey thats just using good ole fashioned deduction there. Pretty spiffy huh.

Obviously the kingdom of God is without sin. If you are without something it doesnt mean that you dont need it. It simply is not there. Like a Void folks. Nothing. All be it good or bad. Any thought,substance, etc.

Observe the neccesity of Bad "evil" to "show" the good and so forth. Once again people.... heaven / the kingdom of God is not a place. If you think or profess it is so, then you are limiting Gods kingdom to Earthly, better yet mans standards. Remember the words the kingdom draw nearer? Is this kingdom on wheels? Nope. 

Heaven and hell have no latitue longitude nor do you have the coordinates or a manifest list to enter in. 

Clearly its not a geographical place nor is it bound by humanly criteria. It is entertaining though please dont stop speaking like heaven has a zip code and a homeowners association , on my account :-D

  

If you seriously think that you will not see a person "in" heaven because of what they chose to put in their mouth then you have major issues. And i hope the easter bunny brings you some nice colloring books.

We all walk by the gate daily. As Christ said look and you will not see it. Gee why is that? Looking outward are we?

Look closer! Few people strive to be Christ like. A christian in today sense is someone who accepts Christ as their "savior". Hes done all the work for you. Sweet deal huh? No need to be Christ like. Just attend church at all costs, pay your tithes, and read your bible. Show me someone Christ like? Let alone striving to be.

Who around you abandons the material world? Daily strugle, sure. Not if you leave it all! Put on your sandles, give your money and possesions away and hit the road telling others about your father almighty God. 

If you know how Christ lived you would know it takes drastic measures like turning your back to mankinds ways,thoughts and practices. Remember the parable of luke warm water? You spit it out. So if you dont turn your back to mans ways, then you are luke warm. So why would anyone judge anyone for bieng luke warm also. Hipocritcal. If anyone is not humble enough to recongnize thier own faults and hipocritcal ways then their path to christianity hasnt even began!

I find that marijuana will help relieve the stress involved with being a parent. Why is being hot tempered and stressed out considered more


meanpeace 5 years ago

more "clear headed" than being relaxed and calmed by marijuana? Im sure you have said and done things out of temper that you would not if you were calm.

Anyone who is/was a parent will understand what i say. It in no way affects me being alert. In fact i feel like a ninja on the contrary in that regard. 

And speaking of Christ like, what what did Jesus say about salvation? :-D

Exactly! If you study, it was the "apostle(s)" who created a "plan" for salvation. Kind of ironic isnt it?

Look back at Christs life and see the many people he "saved". Without "the" plan in place let alone a place in place (new testament view of  throne beside God etc). In fact Christ went against the grain. Pissing all the religous people off. The "man" was truely a marvel beyond words. Christianity should really be more based on Christ, and his teachings. Not some archaic practice of doctrine as thought of by a few "inspired" dudes hut hum excuse me i mean apostles.

Theres a reason Christs words are in red. If your bible doesnt have Christs words seperated from others. Give it away.


HerbOfGod 5 years ago

God put weed on this earth for a reason (if he exists), it is a plant of peace and healing, and jesus was a philosophical fellow, ever wonder if he got his inspiration from his fathers heavenly stash?


Ronnyvi 5 years ago

Meanpeace makes alot of sense (and funny too). Others have good points also. Agree "religious hennypennies" need to STFU. You ain't the boss of me!...ty


Mr: Truth 5 years ago

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?


Mr: Truth 5 years ago

And btw Marijuana and alcohol is not bad for you if you only drink and smoke once in a while. Everything with manners.

Did i mention god is a Lie?


Experience 5 years ago

1 Corinthians 6:19-20 - "Don’t you realize that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God? You do not belong to yourself, for God bought you with a high price. So you must honor God with your body


meanpeace 5 years ago

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent."

( my sons life's recourse will have to answer to his/others actions. If i wanted him not to be subjected to and or cause "evil" then I wouldnt have "created" him in the first place )

" Is he able, but not willing?"

( Its scary when you take off those training wheels on your kids first bike. Sure, the ability is there to put them back on to prevent injury etc. Like wise the will to is there. But whats the porpose here/there? )

"Then he is malevolent."

( Removing those training wheels with the knowledge of injury to be destined could also be considered malevolent. Then again what is the porpose here n there? )

"Is he both able and willing?"

( um sure lol you are alive arent you? )

Then whence cometh evil?

( evil comes when you open the door. You also have to open the door to let it out :-D~ Not a matter of time or place. A matter of space. We arrange our living room how we please. But you can only fit, what will fit in it. If your living room was infinite the possibilities are limitless. Are you complaining that your living room is to big? To many possibilities? need less room? Do other people contribute to the condition of your living room? Ha Ha and away we go.... )

 Is he neither able nor willing? 

( okay um yeah buddy its all a dream. We're not really alive..... 

 The training wheels are off. Ride the bike if you want. We fall at our own risk. )

Then why call him God?

( Its seem Gods role changes from person to person. I do not look to God as someone that miraculously intervenes giving me a free pass and cheat codes to win some game. God gave us life. This we know. I hope To return the favor and live it building those bikes........ )


meanpeace 5 years ago

"Don’t you realize that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God?"

( Yep. We are talking spiritual maters arent we? The body you are refering to is the spiritual body not a PHYSICAL body. If we were all sopposed worship and hold temple with our physical body that would be a sight lol. As mentioned theres another major misconception: physical world becomes misconcieved and mingled somehow as the spiritual one )  


Greg 5 years ago

I'm not advocating drug use by any means, but I do strongly believe you are misconstruing the revelations quotations you mentioned. You highlighted the word "sorcery", so I assume that's the evidence you are using to connect the quotation to drug use. I assert that at best you are reaching for a connection that isn't there. I believe the word sorcery is used to literally refer to heretics and occult followers, not drug users. Back then, they did believe in magical practices, and strongly disliked it. When they say "sorcery", they probably literally meant it. Of course it's possible that I'm wrong, I'm not infallible. But I believe strongly that it's more probable that you are mistaken, not me.


Justin 5 years ago

How in the world can anyone lead someone to the Lord if they are high? They can't because they have an altered mind. The world smokes weed and you so-called Christians smoke weed. How is that a testimony?! It is a perverted use of God's creation. It can not bring you closer to God so then why use it? Ultimately, alcohol and weed can lead someone to eternal damnation so why would you justify using it. Doing it in moderation is a joke. You might as well cuss in moderation, even though every thing we say is supposed to bring glory to God. It's no big deal as long as I don't cuss all the time. Yeah,sure. The world uses language so why would I say a cuss word, even if it was one word? It would hurt my testimony to an unsaved person. The point is simple. Weed and alcohol is wrong, just read the bible and find out. But you can go read health articles about how weed can benefit you, because I heard health articles are the new bible. Can you at least try and act like you belong to God?


meanpeace 5 years ago

"How in the world can anyone lead someone to the Lord if they are high?"

Lead to the lord? lol how can anyone  lead someone PHYSICALY to the lord? Know of anyone that claims the knowledge of the physical location of God? Didnt think so. Does mans weakness effect Gods power? HaHa

A location, of the lord is internaly within us all. Internally as in stomach? Nope. SPIRIT

Spirit its a funny thing. Everyone has one despite their actions or thoughts.

A spirit that is under your control is.... Guess what....... Under your control. If you let anything of this earthly exsistence get to or control your spirit then you are a slave. There are slaves to money,greed, and all the other forms of desires/vices out there. Why is it that people ignore all  the other somehow socialy acceptable spirit deviencies? Yet point the finger at marijuana consumers. Rather odd and annoying. Actually its starting to piss me off. There i said piss. 

How can you regulate, discriminate,judge etc, something that YOU CAN NOT SEE? Let alone what effects it :-D . Can you see my spirit? Can you see anyones spirit? LOL Oh you just know right? Um yeah you read it somewhere. Oh no you uh heard someone say it before. Heard a pastor say it? It says so in the bible? Oh ok. SHOW ME. Diddnt intend that? Opinnion then.

Show me where marijuana effects spirit, let alone life in a neggative way.

 How can anyone have the oddasity to say they know what effects someone elses spirit? How can YOU say MY use of a herb affects MY spirit negativley? My spirit is not yours to discern control or judge first off. Secondly im not obligated to use MAN made provisions. Thank you for your concern tho. 

Untill you desire God ALONE you will always have a vise. This is why Christ spoke of hate your family. Remember? Pretty strict qualifications eh? Love of even a family member that is greater than the love of God is a No no. As awful and Godly restrictive as an herb sounds who would have thought a mere collection of thoughts and emotions called we tend to call love, would be just as restrictive. That alone should rain on the parade of sin lablers. Stick that in your price tag gun but i aint buying.

  Ok heres an example to suit your questions context. THE SAME WAY PAUL "the apostle" "lead" SOMEONE TO THE LORD. Familiar with pauls past? Past is irrelevant once he was "found"? um ok lets go with that then. 

Oh so JESUS came to him even tho he was conducting bad -EVIL works against "him" right!?

How in the world can a brain, conscience, or soul fathom that, yet disregard the scenario of devine intervention,( telling others of God etc) with someone who consumes an herb? Please do tell. I got to hear this. No wonder why murderers and rapists get out scott free while herb consumers fill the jail cells. 

And.... "Altered mind"? LOL the mind alters every nano second dude. Millions of factors contribute to it. And somehow marijuana is an elected inhibitor under this protocall? That is hillarious. Some people really do live in a magic world. I guess i can see why they dont need "weed" lol. 

Ah what it would be like to have a clear and consise mind, to better pursuit God. Oh what it would be like to clear my mind of my physical bodys pain and suffering and My stress. Oh what it would benefit to have a physical provision to do so.  Oh but wait there is...

And why is it that most people assume that consumers of marijuana smoke it? I prefer a tincture myself.

Testimony? LOL Dude.... Ok if you want a testimony then here it is; I seek and love God with my entire soul. I hope to do good works and speak praise of God in thanks for his blessings.  I thank my lord God almighty in the highest for providing me with an earthly remedy for my earthly body. A remedy that alleviates my pain, settles my bowels and relieves stress and anxiety associated with this world. Thanks to my father for all blessings of life Amen.

If the father and son relationship between person to person was detrimental to the father and son relationship between person to person, christianity wouldnt have made it even this far. Insert grace here. Dont worry you will be ok. lol

" Just read the bible"? I do every day :-) have read the entire thing. Working on second time around. How bout you? Any favorite books?

"I heard health articles are the new bible" Um ok was that sarcasm? So, you imply that the only arguement capable of rendering marijuana a dammaging thing is health degradation and that is not the case. So, going against the bible is the last resort. Yet there is NO evidence of even that. 

Sounds like a no win to me. lol. I will keep playing defense. Feel free to offend us. But you might want to atleast shoot the ball in your end of the court.


Justin 5 years ago

You are relying on something else to get closer to God? Wow. What's your excuse if there wasn't any weed? God, I don't have a clear mind without stress and suffering to follow you so I give up. God can only deliver you from suffering. Hey try focusing on God ALONE, just like you said, instead of something that the WORLD idolizes. Read 1 John 2:15-17. Yes God says in Genesis 1:29 that He has given us every plant yielding seed but would you eat poison ivy? The WORLD loves it, and does that draw them closer to God? NO. Our bodies are the temple of God. It does affect your body. It damages your immune system and leads to cancer. Your mind is not the same when you are high. Last but not least, it's illegal. I am not perfect. I have stress and suffering, but I don't need anyone or anything to relieve it for me. All I need is my Lord and Savior. Oh and I'm not talking about physically leading someone to the Lord, obviously. Who says I ignore money and greed? I'm not talking about money or greed, I'm talking about the sin of marijuana. I also read the bible and I love the Lord my God enough to not use anything else to get to Him besides the bible and prayer. And offend who? Christians? Every faithful Christian I've met believes it is wrong and doesn't draw you closer to God. I know a few Christians who believe it is right, and they are the ones who stumble the most and are of the world. I am not judging them but by the fruits ye shall know thee. I am not judging you either because I don't know who you are; only God knows your heart. I disagree but you can believe what you want. Dont mock what I say if I think marijuana causes brothers in Christ to stumble. Sounds like a no win to me? Of course it won't be to you because you want to justify something you like. I want to keep my mind on Christ instead of altering it, yes altering it, using marijuana. It's a lust of the flesh, but I'm sure you'll find every way possible to justify it. 1 Corinthians 10:31 "Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God."


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lillite1 5 years ago

I have been looking on google for the definition of sorcery but have yet to see it refer to weed or medicine??? I thought sorcery has something to do with witch craft and magic??


meanpeace 5 years ago

My physical body will not get closer to God NO MATER WHAT I DO. If there is a falure to destinguish between physical and spiritual, why is there not a failure to destinguish between Gods creations and God. God made things like nature,earth, and people are not GOD. they are what GOD made. Most people understand that. Yet they fail to

Understand that physical matter is seperate from spiritual matter. As christians we elect to be spiritual beings. We try to live in accordance with bodily discipline. Yet the thought proccess holds on to the mental/physical barrier. Its a final cord that usually neve gets cut.

Why this is so hard to understand, is beyond me. We live an dwell in material world. Our mind gets evolved to think materialy. By material i dont mean cars or tv dude. I mean the association and inslavement to earhtly matters. If there is a piece of advise I could give anyone it would be to learn to distinguish between the two. You say your not talking about physical, but yet you retain the physical perspective. The thoughts you possess are capable of bieng physical. That is why lust is a no no. Think about it....

The remedy that God provides me works. Its for my physical body. Its harmless and free. I dont need to get it from someone else. Likewise my consumption effects NO ONE ELSE. And the absolute and most important factor here? GOD is my physician! Who is anyone to question our (God & I) relationship.

 Or to question the medium he has provided. Any bible scholar will know that God always uses an intermediary. A medium to communicate or deal with man. Why? God is pure. We are not. God does not come face to face with man. Can ya blame him? Even as we are Babies we are stuburn and want to do things our own way. Playing God. There is no substitute. GOD IS GOD. Why not do it his way and use what he provided? Intermidiarys speak and perform Gods will to man. This is evident from moses to jesus christ etc. So obviously God does not touch and heal people LITERALY. He uses a  yep thats right a medium (something-someone else). Cannabis is a medium. An added bonous is that Its God made :-)

I live in constant pain. By pain im not talking about an ache. Im talking about pain that will bring you to your knees.  And guess what? It does. And you know God answers knee mail. :-D

Why would I take the risk of using a pharmacuetical cocktail of pills? God already provides me with a remedy. A remedy that ive consumed off and on now for 17 years. I just recently accepted the fact that modern medicine does not have my best intrest in mind- Big surprise there eh? Gave up on the pills. Back to Gods provision to/for me. I dont have any neggative side effects what so ever. No cough or nothing! Imagine that. Have you every the story of the boy that cried wolf? Yall keep crying wolf, and the wolf doesnt show. Its a wonder yall even believe your selves. Cannabis is not the boogie man.


meanpeace 5 years ago

While those side effects from prescription drugs sound promising, and bieng in a narcotic slumber associated with them sounds like a thrill. None the less, i preffer being productive and coherent. Despite popular stereotypical assumptions. I am a productive member of society. I vote,pay taxes and have no criminal record of any kind what so ever. 2 speeding tickets and oh um i dont use my seat belt. Sue me lol.  Bieng made into a criminal for using cannabis is absolutely against natural law. I will not succumb to tyranny. Either in the form of Government or my piers.

If you question his provision to me. Your are questioning Gods actions PERIOD. If you support man made medicine thats cool. Have at it. No skin if my nose. But dont label me a criminal or to be spiritualy declined.

I rely on God to take me by the hand. Somedays I rely on cannabis to give my body remedy to help lift my hand up. I dont HAVE to have it. The only thing i must possess is christ. The only thing that I absolutely must have is GOD. 

 Realizing that we dwell seperately (physicaly) from God. Such bieng the case it is inherent that physical functions must be made in order for us humans to maintain (physical) life. Breathing, eating etc. What is the one thing that you must have? Air? Food? Water? Anything beyond neccessity is excessiveness -gluttony- false idol- It is sin. Yet how many obese people let alone christians do you see? Dont see anyone labeling them as sinners or anything. Infact a majority of pastors are obese. Especially here in the south. Passively you will hear them joke about getting second helping of the pot luck dinner. Meanwhile the sermon was about sin. Left that one out...LOL

 If you were in the shoes of a person with medical issues you would know. So this buisness of "getting high" is a secondary result.

Is sin a number game anyway?are you  less of a sinner because you dont consume cannabis? ofcourse not.

 Excuse? I dont need one. Never will. Dont need permission either. 

Are you asking what I would do without "weed"? Same thing im doing now. Well, i would be paying a few hundred dollars a month in prescription drugs. Paying for doctor visits (co pays deductable and gasoline to and fro) in order to continue using those drugs and getting expiremented on with other drugs. I would probably be out of work on disability. I dont know about you, but i like to stay productive.  I would be to druged up to enjoy and contribute to my childrens life, like im able to do now. I would probably devlop other conditions from the side effects of pharmaceuticals. Yep, theres your answer. Id be further in debt, out of work and bed ridden. What a life!? Sit at home get a check in the mail and pop pills all day. No thanks :-D

Yep your right. God can only deliver me from suffering. And guess what the remedy is!? 

Oh ho ho no i diddnt.. Yes i did. 

Dude you really need to read the other posts above. Like The poison ivy comment. Want a quick answer? Its not called poisonjauna is it? Poison ivy has been known (botanical attributes) of for quite a while. Ok not as long as cannabis just a few hundred years LOL anyways- Its poisonous attributes have been documented ever since day one (1600s)

Cannabis? Its was used and documented as MEDICINAL (GOOD) since day one. Mater of fact its been recorded thousands of years back as medicinal. It was legal Until 1970 it was reclassified ( our government loves us and is so worried about us. Really lol try to find the word love in any law or constitution ) . So you probably should have thought that one out better. Its ok we all do it.

Our spiritual bodies HOLD temple to God. DUH

Our PHYSICAL bodys are not worthy of being a "temple". Does it occour to you that being christian is a spiritual matter??????

Do you look for arms or legs when you pass a BODY of water???? 

lol I hope not.

It dammages immune system and leads to cancer? LOL oh ok. And where did you find this out? Once again read the other posts. Have you seen the Dr Oz show about it? Look it up on youtube. That is; If it takes social security (the nod ok from your piers, saying its ok if you say its ok to consume cannabis) to pacify your concern for us regarding the dangers HUT HUM or the lack thereof....

Cancer? Have you even seen some of the breakthroughs lately with cannabinoids? I will put it plainly. Stuff in "pot" KILLS cancers. Yep! PLEASE do try to prove me wrong there. Infact google away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wish you would have researched that first, before you said it now dont you.... Its okay we all stick our foot in our mouth from time to time.

Dammages immune system. LOL dude are you serious?? How many pot heads do you see in an emergency room? Doctors office? Proof is in the puding man. Say it does this, does that. SHOW ME

Im living breathing proof of cannabis's effectiveness. Bring all the paper and thoughts you want. I have living breathing proof. Do you understand what im saying here? You, nor does ANY "weed" basher have any viable evidence. Thoughts and paper versus living breathing proof. Hmm 

My mind is not the same when im high? Ofcourse the mind is not the same after a cup of coffee either is it now..... Coffee is okay tho right... It alters the mind and body. It gives you a turbo charge and creates the feeling of energy. What do you have to say about it?

Okay so you dont have to worry about pain and suffering. So how can anyone realisticly critisize some who does.

All you need is the lord? Are you sure? Do you practice this? Cuz even jesus could not physicaly live on this earth with "just" the lord. He had to eat,breathe,sleep etc just like we do. Btw, do you Find it odd that he would make wine, if it is sooooo bad for you? lol

Its not illegal. Its classified as a narcotic. Narcotics fall under statute. Its a legislative RULE of society. Societys have a name. What the name of this so called society? And bieng in a society everyone must agree. Guess what. I DONT. 

The government reclassified it, giving them jurisdiction. Otherwise they wouldnt have any. Abortion isnt "illegal" what say you there? Bieng a christian used to be "illegal". If people didnt stand up and fight, there wouldnt be christians now. Understand what im saying?

Sin of marijuana?? LOL SHOW ME! Where does it say its a sin? Stop assuming. Research your self. Not just with this. With everything. 

Offend as in herb consumers..

Every christian believes this? To bad they couldnt have a common denomination then huh? LOL

Your statement there is oxy moronic. The huge trouble with the church is non disagreement. So if you were to find out that one of those faithfull christians you speak of thinks that cannabis is not a sin. Would they not be a faithfull christian anymore? :-D 

Stumble the most? Ok like how? They hang out with other stumblers and smoke weed. While the other "good" christians go out and knock on doors and have bible study, giving away all of theyre earthly possessions to the people they come to?

No win as in your accusations have no freaking FACTS to them lol. I meant your not going to when the basketball game if you keep shooting the ball in MY favor lol facts please???

I dont need to justify it. Infact as the offense (you charge me as a sinner for using a herb) YOU NEED TO JUSTIFY. YOU NEED TO PRESENT FACTS. im am defending, i dont need to justify JACK. 

Keep your mind on christ while I do the same. LOL

Yep thats right glory to God! God IS what matters.


meanpeace 5 years ago

Regarding Sorcery; is a use of "magic" that is not claiming God as the source or destination of the "magic". Nothing to do with herbs LOL.


Justin 5 years ago

Our bodies are the temple of God. If they aren't, we can all go get tattoos and act like the WORLD. Do they bring glory to God? NO. Do they show a good testimony? NO. If an unsaved person saw you smoking pot would he think you're a faithful christian? NO. You're testimony would be shot. Don't say it isn't because it is. People are supposed to see Christ in us 24/7. The WORLD idolizes it and you are of the WORLD. Tell me the world doesn't. Hey wait a minute. The unsaved would reject Christ but would idolize a plant you think is from Him? Hahahahahaha Absolutely NOT. Yes! All I need is my Lord and Savior, let's all act like we're smart enough to know that we are made to breathe, eat, and sleep, not to smoke. And not to give our pain and suffering to a plant. I have pain and suffering. Any faithful christian should. But I would not spit in God's face so that my little aches would go away. If you are talking about trials, then it's sad you would use a WORLDLY tool to make yourself better instead of letting God make you stronger. Dont you dare say that our Lord and Savior made a plant and an alcoholic demon that could ultimately lead someone to eternal damnation. Shame on you, that is blasphemy! I am watching my closest friends who were all for God at one point lose control of their lives because of a so-called christian like you who says it's ok to smoke pot and drink wine. I hope you know, you will be held accountable in heaven for doing so. Say you are right and I'm wrong, it wont be an issue when I stand before God. What do you have to lose? God doesn't use people as soul winners who are of the WORLD. Sounds to me like youre crying for a stupid plant. Live for HIM only.


Justin 5 years ago

Don't stand there and think you're fighting for Christ if you fight for marijuana. Is this what Christianity has come to? Be of Christ and of the WORLD? It's sad that Christians even have to argue about marijuana and alcohol being wrong. Would the WORLD take you seriously for Christ if you were thrown in jail for marijuana? No. But it would make a difference if you were thrown in jail for Christ ALONE.


Justin 5 years ago

Oh by the way, I said every FAITHFUL Christian,buddy.


meanpeace 5 years ago

 Apparently you maintain that bodys of water do have arms and legs  Uh facts for $200 please Alex..... Daily Double.....

Obviously this conversation is limited by the after math of Social reform and "some other stuff" lol so heres a deal. I will answer your questions. You answer mine? :-D 

"Do they bring glory to God?"

(Define they? The tattoos? Or the people? Going with Both, It depends what does God say about tattoos? Its a little bold and is assuming the role of God, to decide if tattoo bearers glorify god dont ya think? Thats for God to decide.)

Where do you see that God says "they" do not?

(note: I request specific reffrence to or regarding tatoos and the originator of this this tattoo = sin. No other than Jesus or Gods words (Note: Words God had said as communicated by Jesus. The old testament namely leviticus was jewish "law". It applied to them and old testament practicioners. Today as christians we follow the new testament, Wich says to my recollection nothing about tattoos. ) 

"Do they show a good testimony"? 

(The tattoos, are works of ink ettched on skin, that is representation that you carry on a carcass. Ok lol a nut shell. They "do" nothing. The tattoos release no audible sounds or perform no actions. Thus are incapable performing testamony. However it may display a remembrence/resemblence of a "testification" now that i think of it.

The people, God loves everyone just the same. Infact the bible teachs us that he loves a "struggler" just as much as a "saint". Bieng graded on a curve. I know, pisses ya off sometimes dont it.)

Are you aware that a testamony is regarding a legal mater? 

How can you can proove what is in my heart or soul? Until proof is presented it is just critisism.

"If an unsaved person saw you smoking pot would he think you're a faithful christian?"

 I dont advocate smoking anything. As mentioned before Smoking is not the only way to consume cannabis. I use a liquid form. One droper in the morning. One in the evening. As a matter of fact Nobody even notices.

To further address your question further lets look at  (Luke 7:50)  And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace. 

 Although the glory of bieng saved by christ must have been overwhelmingly a humble expirience, the beauty of this is what the woman had in her soul and heart. It wasnt that she Anointed christ, or washed his feet. It was that she submitted to serve. Something beyond complete and utter humility.  Even tho from a public perspective she was deemed "unworthy" by others. Wich includes Peter and a Pharisees etc. Do you see the irony in this scenario? Even tho she was "lowly" she had less (what she was holding onto. Not necessarly what she was willing to give)to give up than the others did. Once again im reffering to less physical attatchments. And christ said: thy faith has saved thee. 

"The unsaved would reject Christ but would idolize a plant you think is from Him?"

( God made all plants (its on the first page of the bible). That is undesputable. Christ is God. If you imply that i worship a plant in place of God, reffer back to the formentioned. God is God there is no other. )

 "What do you have to lose?" 

( Is that a retorical question? I have everything to lose. As Its infallible that we must let go of everything to leave this earth. The Spirit world doesnt fascilitate material matter in within the spirit world. My soul has no use for cannabis or anything else on this earth. It is impossible to Substitute the programs of God for his presense.)

 "Is this what Christianity has come to?"

(Christianity or the people that represent it? Christianity will never change. The people that represent it are a multitude of people with different cultures, prespectives and comprehension levels. So naturaly it will be near impossible to share the same views etc, although the goal is the same.

Example; Noah or Sampson, David or Jonah etc

Like Noah made and consumed wine right after he got off "the ark" as im sure you recall? Wich lead to his drunkeness and his boys seeing his pecker . Obviously the lord had a use for a drunken man. Obviously the lord knew the capacity and works of this drunk. Obviously the lord examined his soul thereby not basing his decision on his (Jonahs) earthly vessle (his body an its actions). Now we can go further into these examples and scenarios. But im sure you are familiar with the crazy earthly (worldly as you put it) things that some prophets have done. Lord knows that Sampson was loony and did some crazy things. Its releaving knowing  God uses "worldly" people too. After all to serve with selfish intent to recieve the credit for serving is not letting go of the ego. Im sure you are familiar with the "worldly" things prophets have done right? 

Perhaps you have not read the entire bible, or maybe just bits and pieces here and there? Well, incase you didnt know; yep they did some bad bad stuff. Did that turn the intrest of "the unsaved"? Obviously not, given the chronological chain of events that lead people to leading people etc that lead to founding and exsistence of christianity. Its all in the bible. The old king james says piss ans ass. As comical as that is it is the interpretation that is key. Not neccessarly the words, but how you percieve them.)

" Be of Christ and of the WORLD?" 

(Sure, if it be Gods will. See the forementioned. Its Gods decision not ours. Not touching that role. But i will elaborate and say that yes its all part of the struggle and striping of the ego and the human disire ego. We all must do it. Then when you pass the physical body ( die or transend Into the next wich is spiritual). Ironicaly the church aims to protect us from the dangers of the physical world but it ends up becoming an attachment in itself) 

"Would the WORLD take you seriously for Christ if you were thrown in jail for marijuana?"

( Hopefully the "world" wont take anything that I advocate, for the exchange of christ. Christ is priceless. Nothing that flows from me is worthy of his exchange or equivilancy.)


meanpeace 5 years ago

"You are relying on something else to get closer to God?" (No, you can only get closer to God by geting closer to God)

" What's your excuse if there wasn't any weed?" (Excuse for what? Are you presuming i need "weed to relate with God"? I need nothing in order to relate with God other than God.

"Yes God says in Genesis 1:29 that He has given us every plant yielding seed but would you eat poison ivy?" (You havent given enough conditions. If i was dying of hunger and mentaly dullusional from hunger maybe. Maybe if it was the new fad or a slow social reform byproduct. Maybe if it was specialy prepared removing the toxins or converting them and was renowned as some delicious nutricious treat. But yuck naw doesnt sound to good. I tend to keep my distance with poisonous plants.)

"The WORLD loves it, and does that draw them closer to God?"

(We can gatagorize all day long. A cannabis user that comited a sin belongs in a group with any other sinner that commits a sin. Each of us is no greater than the other)

"Who says I ignore money and greed?" (Naturaly, its part of this earthly exsistence)

" And offend who? Christians?"

(Anyone who offends anyone is charging the other. You can either accept or deffend. Its by human nature to defend. Offend as in offend cannabis consumers)


meanpeace 5 years ago

"How in the world can anyone lead someone to the Lord if they are high?" ( Gods will be done )

" How is that a testimony?"

(this isnt a legal mater)

 It can not bring you closer to God so then why use it? (niether does watching football or thousands of other things that shall remain ignored)

" Yeah,sure. The world uses language so why would I say a cuss word, even if it was one word?"  (If you were really an all or nothing kinda guy, then you would give away everything you own to people who need it)

Can you at least try and act like you belong to God? ( We are all children of god )

Ok i think thats it. Anymore questions?


Justin 5 years ago

Just answer why you would use it if the world loves it?


Luis 5 years ago

Exodus chapter 30 verse 22 - 33:

Moreover the Lord spoke unto Moses, saying: "Take thou also unto thee principal spices, of pure myrrh five hundred shekels, and of sweet cinnamon half so much, even two hundred and fifty shekels, and of sweet KINEBOISIN two hundred and fifty shekels.

And of cassia five hundred shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary, and of olive oil an hin

And thou shalt make it an oil of holy ointment, an ointment compound after the art of the apothecary; it shall be an holy anointing oil

And thou shalt anoint the tabernacle of the congregation therewith, and the ark of the testimony.

Upon man's flesh shall it not be poured, neither shall ye make any other like it, after the composition of it: it is holy, and it shall be holy unto you

Whosoever compoundeth any like it, or whosoever putteth any of it upon a stranger, shall even be cut off from his people

KINEBOISIN, according to the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, is the old name for cannabis - it was also spelt kannabosm. They claim it was mis-translated in the King James' version of the bible, as "calamus"


meanpeace 5 years ago

Ok lets reiterate;

Despite my spirit not bieng a resident of "the world", my physical body is a resident of "the world" and is surrounded by the other people of "the world". I am entittled to, and will use God  made medicine despite who else elects to use or not use it. Furthermore thier actions do not represent or demonstrate the capacity in wich it serves a purpose for myself or other likeminded individuals. Just like a pen is able to sign a declaration of peace or a declaration of war. Are we to assume that everyone who uses a pen signs a contract to war/murder? Ofcourse not, such is the case with cannabis consumers. 

Define "the world"? Are you talking about sinners? Because we are all sinners.

Are you talking about non christians? Non christians also "indulge" in some of the same "sins" as christians, even the most conservative and obedient christians. However clearly Marijuana is not a sin. If you say it is. Then show me. Examine all the above text (this whole web page) first, so you dont rebute with an already debunked assumption. Can you Show me where our lord says not to consume this plant that our lord made?

I gave you examples. Ironicly i shouldnt have to because as a human yet even a christian you can relate with the desires "of the world" and the other tools in the world in wich christians and non christians use alike. 

Let us examine our dear saviors method of dealing with the world. He went out in it. He walked the streets with whores, thieves etc. He did not isolate himself from the world. The apostles, the pharasees, and all the other religous people did not understand why christ chose to assosiate with such people. As im sure you recall, (?) christ did not seperate his physical body from other physical bodys (sinners). Christ was seperate spiritualy, as we should be. So often the church gets wraped up in isolation from "the world" physicaly, that they put themselves on a pedestool. That pedestool is for christ alone. The irony there is even christ did not step onto a pedestool. 

Now, if you want we can debate over symantics and isolation from the world if you want to. Yes there are times and places where someone indeed may need to stand apart from "the world". Examples are Pauls letters to troubled people etc. But let us be reminded Christ didnt. 


Brittany 5 years ago

So what you are saying is God Has not blessed my child who was BORN with multiple birth defects? when God does Touch him he will be ok? His Dr prescribed him phenobarbital at the age of 18 months he is 21 now and Addicted he will have severe seizures and die if we take him off. He was given valium at the age of 6 to stop a 4 1/2 hour long seizure and quit breathing he was intubated valium by the way is made from a herb Valerian Root. Asprin is made of willow bark people yes even Christian people see prescription drugs as safe and acceptable. I almost lost my son last year to the horrible side effects of zonagran an anti seizure prescription medication and the need for these prescription drugs would not even be nesessary if medical marijuana were an option. Good luck proving to me that me and my child have not been touched by God or these medications would not be needed


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michellesbusta 5 years ago from rhode island

ok i been reading everyone's comments and i must say personally im ont the fence with this one, i struggle with this subject. first of i will imply i dont smoke, however i did about 5 months ago. during that time is when i started getting thoughts to go to church andgod is love and looking at things in a different perspective, things seemed to make sence and that is when i seen what was really gpoing on behind the scenes in the world, the new world order coming up etc, i even felt God wanted me to smoke through the choas that is going on , now if i sound nuts i will hi five you to that, im a humbling person and the god book does indicate that each and every one of us are sick from the tops of our heads to thesoles of our feet, amen. Now i stopped smoking once i hit church i would even go high and took it all in but i was wondering if i was sinning, since i starte questioning i started getting paranoia. now i havent smoked since and i may again someday cause i enjoyed it, but that is my personal hang up with the lord. but this is the irony in it all folks, before i started smoking, cause i never smoked prior in my life up till this past year, the words god or going to church would never come out of my mouth, just a bit strange is all, and yea some can argue maybe it was demon possession, appearing as a light from god, well if that was the case i started going tto church and growing in his grace and knowledge so way to go satan and his crew!!! whoo hoo!! Oh one other thing to maybe help clear the air for people, i think the issue is based on you and your relationship with the lord not on what i or the next person thinks, but keep this in mind, that anything outside of faith is a sin, if you feel you are in the right then do you, dont be condemed or guilted by anyone. what people forget is He is a loving God and he forgives us, the only sin that is un forgivin is the sin of unbelif period. And contrary to what most people think, we can not impress him, sorry cant find chapter and verse at the moment but anybody hear, its by grace we are saved and not works should any man boast? In other words we cant dissaqpoint him nor please him he is not shocked by what we do infact he knows what we are gonna do, ha ha, faith a lone in christ alone that pleases him, and further more we sin contantly we are siners duh the whole reason for a need of a savior the lord jesus christ, so dont make it complicated name and sight it and move on thats living the spiritual life, dont let this non sence and gulit and worry keep you in bondage. God bless...


Yoel 5 years ago

Doesnt matter what you consume, when you over indulge that is when you are paving the path to sin. lets be honest, we all have and will sin, its all about the choices we make. If you choose to idolize dope instead of your god then expect some bad things to happen. Just use common sense. We all know that if you dont want it to happen to you, dont do it to others. Life is hard because many of us dont follow these simple rules.

BIBLE: Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth


Justin 5 years ago

meanpeace: Yes, Christ absolutely was with prostitutes and thieves and such, but Christ convicted them with His very presence. He did not partake in anything they were doing. When did I ever say don't be in the world? I said be in the world not of the world. So like I said, if you were hanging out with a pothead and you were ministering to him about Christ, would you be smoking with him? I hope not.


Justin 5 years ago

Yoel: Actually it does matter what you consume. It's the testimony that is important. The physical body is a testimony. If an unsaved person saw you drinking alcohol or smoking pot what would they think? Oh hey a christian! I am not saying you are not a christian if you do those things because only God knows your heart. But an unsaved person doesn't think that. You would be nothing but a stumbling block.


Justin 5 years ago

michellesbusta: Yes, you are correct we are all sinners and will sin. But don't you want to live a life the farthest away from sin? God calls us to be holy. How can we be more holy as christians to smoke weed? Well there's plenty of smokers in the world, and I must say it doesn't make them holy.


meanpeace 5 years ago

" Yes, Christ absolutely was with prostitutes and thieves and such, but Christ convicted them with His very presence."

Really?.. And why couldnt this "conviction" as you put it, "work" on the others like the jews that killed christ or the romans etc? 

Obviously the recipient of the power of his presense was on a contractional basis. ( contract; you either accept or you dont conditions apply )  As the jews and romans rejected "him" thereby not having contract or obligation to succumb to the lords will. 

Now, as christians we are obligated to succumb to the lords will. I asked you a simple question. Show me where it says in the bible that cannabis is a sin.

If you do not have refference(s) to address my requisition, then you are ---> illegitimately physical


meanpeace 5 years ago

then you are ---> illegitimately physical


meanpeace 5 years ago

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If you do not have refference(s) to address my requisition, then you are illegitimately accusing your fellow brothers and sisters in christ as sinners for consuming cannabis. 

"He did not partake in anything they were doing."  thats vague but lets go with it. How do you know this? Are you God, or eyewittness because there is no scripture to back you words, that is, regarding implication of the use of herbs etc. He didnt drink wine? Yet he made it? Sort of like saying he didnt smoke weed, but he grew it or gave it to people to consume. Isnt that ironic.

Herbs were used (burned, eaten, made into oil, you name it) for thousands and thousands of years. Wayyy before christ was made into a human. Furthermore herbs were used DURING christs physical dwelling on earth. Evidently he seen people using herbs. He was given herbs at his birth. Herb use was all around him. And bieng as wise and all knowing as christ was/is, you can bet he knew of marijuanas previous,current, and future use. There was no pharmacies, so guess what people used? Bingo herbs. They used natures elements.

 Yet, somehow there fails to be ANY i repeat ANY single shred of warning, prohibition, take heed, stay away from this, yall dont smoke or use this, NOTHING. nothing dude. The whole entire bible and all its writers, and phrofits some how some way forgot to even MENTION marijuana, let alone "CONDEMN" it. So logicly we must conclude that it was no big deal. Evidently it was no different than making tea, thus it was not worth even mentioning.

Dont agree with that? Tuff luck. The facts conclude otherwise.

If marijuana is sooooooo bad then why were we NOT specificaly warned about it? Feel free to get creative and try to come up with some other crazy thing that the bible doesnt mention yet we refrain from, thereby avoiding the question.

So here you are and people like you, are 2000 years later pointing the finger and charging marijuana consumers as sinners. You have no scripture, you have no facts, all you have is oppinion and some strange idea that your unclean unpure human physical body is worthy of bieng temple to the lord. You have the oddasity to refrain from cannabis , yet cast stones upoun your brethren as if your OTHER uneccessary and un Godly bodly or mental capacities draw you closer to God. Im sure when you watch football you shout out GO JESUS, and all your sports worshiping buddies look at you oddly and go back to smacking eachother on the butt and other Godly pursuant things. Im sure you address them when theyre thoughts and lives are consumed with football or . Im sure you say hey man dont you think all these sports team lables and logos all over your car,body and house are consuming "christ time" and are false idol.  Well maybe the thought  does cross your mind but you hold back after all that would offend a fellow "faithful" christian and you need not do that right? Or perhaps it would embarass you. So why do you pleasure in offending me or anyone else who chooses to consume an HERB, who is just as much as a christian as anyone else. 

"So like I said, if you were hanging out with a pothead and you were ministering to him about Christ, would you be smoking with him?"

Im very glad you asked that question. In light of proper conversation I will answer your questions. 

It depends. You havent given enough conditions. Are we in a cancer ward in a hospital? Is this person in need of a medicine? Is it a smoke free "zone"?

 The better aspect bieng your question's origin is revealed. You see, it is clearly demostrated that your question stems from a social perspective or social reform i should say. You see, just under a 100 years ago marijuana was used world widely without legal reprocussion. It was the most used and prescribed medicine. It was even given to babies to relieve stomach issues, pain, constipation, diahria, vomiting, nausea, and the list goes on. It worked and does work. As designed by God. History is full of cannabis use.

What i just said is TRUE. look it up. So along comes the mid ninteen hundreds and our lovely government decides to changes the federal "status" of this herb. Do you know what a status is? How can a status represent a fact? It doesnt. Infact it doesnt require facts. It only requires a classification. The gov classifies everything for commercial porposes. And it just so happens pharmecutical companys were having some "discoveries and breakthroughs" at that time. Apparently they can mimic natures remedies but at a higher cost monitarily and bodily. So whats to gain out of that scenario? Commercial gain. Commerce involves goods, services and money. It used to involve trade yet we never see trade anymore. Find that odd? How can person x benefit from person y & z trading? Or perhaps benefit is the wrong word. Monoplize maybe? 

Church and state are seperate? We would hope our state to have christian ethics right? Yet church has allowed the state infringe upoun thier moral biliefs etc by accepting this marijuana "law" from the start. Likewise with abortion etc. However this is/was not an option because that would be "going against our leaders" for the religous zealots that was a decing factor, and besides theres a contractional basis to uphold (church and state). Hence you have social reform. It simply happend because we the people did not speak up. Just like current issues involving athism views taking over our gov etc. We must fight, we must speak up. And such will i do.

Ok so to answer your question yes it would be no different than having a cup of tea. Infact i enjoy cannabis tea, theres an ideah! But i know you question had a stipulation of smoking tho :-D

You said  "Be of Christ and of the WORLD?"

Do you mean a christian and a non christian at the same time? 


Justin 5 years ago

Read the top of the screen. That's where you'll find your verses. Cannabis is very mind altering last time I checked. So that's going against Scripture. If cannabis as you say is "no big deal" then why is it illegal? Since when has weed been apart of a Christian moral beliefs? That's sad if you think so. I can't think of one faithful Christian or a Christian church that has weed in their "moral beliefs." Fighting against abortion is on thing but something like cannabis can tear the body of Christ apart. So if you choose to fight for that, if you choose to fight for you own worldy desires, then it's your problem. "So like I said, if you were hanging out with a pothead and you were ministering to him about Christ, would you be smoking with him?" Answer that question again not from the medical point of view, obviously. Offend you? it's a simple debate about why marijuana is wrong. It's offensive to me that you would see Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior as a pothead and a drinking man. That's blasphemy. Im going to fight to, Im going to fight for Christ who is LORD.


meanpeace 5 years ago

Scripture or facts needed. Otherwise you have no grounds


michelesbusta 5 years ago

like i said justin, im on the fence all iknow is i didnt even think of the lord then i started smoking pot and thats all i did was talk about him tell people to have faith, forming thoughts outside my own coming to my mind that god is love and go to church, i mean yea ok at worst it could have been an demon appearing as an angel of light screwing with me, (if people want to go that route) but it led me to where im at now, taking in the word of god daily listening to my pastor, idk im taught you cant be possessed unless you want to, and i really wasnt loking for that ha ha by any means, and even if that was the case the demon led me the wrong way to the right way , sttupid demon lmao!


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michellesbusta 5 years ago from rhode island

meanpeace u r too funny


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Justin 5 years ago

meanpeace, read the top of the screen for your Scripture.


meanpeace 5 years ago

Note: my all capitol lettering is soley for the intention of contributing to comprehension. (sometimes reading the words aint enough)

Facts: according to the Department of Health and Human Services (A Federal Government facility WICH OWNS A PATENT ON CANNABINOIDS FOUND IN MARIJUANA) 

Nearly half of Americans take prescripiton drugs.

Wow how revealing is that? Were surrounded by pill poppers.

Go to this site to verify that half of us, and that includes a majority of  "faithfull" christians are pill poppers: 

usgovinfo.about.com/od/healthcare/a/usmedicated.htm

Sorry I had to break it to ya. Stick around theres more.

For information on what cannaboids (what the stuff in marijuana does that the federal goverment has commercial rights to) Cannaboids:

http://christiansagainstprohibition.org/Protecting...

For proof of the US government patenting cannibinoids go here ( patent specificly mentions the exact medical benefits once again for comprehension purposes or lack thereof) :

http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6630507.html

Before you go spouting off a bunch more of myths and oppinions. Check this video out, i doubt you will watch (this includes comprehension) it all let alone the begining, because if you would you would learn the truth wich you seem to be avoiding. 

Cannabis's use as a medicine, PRIOR TO BEING RECLASIFIED BY OUR GOVERNMENT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Md2WNqqxTQ

Seriously that is myth shattering information there. Actualy it exposes alot of lies and corruption particularly by our government. No surprise tho. If you are a history buff or payed attention in school. Youd kbow our government has done some outright evil and corrupt stuff. 

No worry about that video tho. Its renowned doctors talking extensively about it. Dont worry its not dope heads speaking :-D

 And you Proclaim that a natural & safe medicine capable of treating the majority of symptoms related to prescribed medicine has no purpose in medicine due to a political issue. Who are you to say there has to be a medical reason to consume cannabis, but none is needed for caffeine? Or A.D.D or anxiety, depression etc. Wheres the morality with drugs there? You charge sin with no justification. A mind altering substence is caffeine. Check it out, its listed umoung other similar drugs and yes its listed as a mind altering substance i mean Drug. And caffeine causes bodily dammage. Marijuana DOES NOT. Once again no proof otherwise :

http://www.atour.com/health/docs/20000617a.html

How many coke,mt dew, dr pepper drinkers do you charge a sinners? Is dr peper evil or destructive? Niether is cannabis. If someone needs a pick me up they drink coffe or a coke. By your standards that should be a stumbling block or like whatever n stuff oh my gosh call the pastor lets pray for all the mt dew drinkers. Oh sure you say cannabis is. Say. Once again i show it does not, and show proof and on the contrary it does good. 

 How many prescription med takers do you charge as sinners (antidepressants, tranquilizers,stimulants,opiates,and pain killers)? All these kids and adults poppin all these A.D.D meds etc. Just because its a pill, that doesnt make it right right?. We can make marijuana pills too. Oh news flash THE FRICKEN GOVERNMENT DOES yeah remember that whole patent thing. Yep the government makes "marijuana" pills. Im not pointing at caffeine or pills to excuse what I do. I dont need an excuse.  Im pointing at it because few people even consider them drugs or "mind altering". Its sort of like them little "white lies". You know things that knowingly are wrong but get excused umung the brethren. Hypocritical. 

Am i saying the people that take prescribed meds do not need it? 

No, you are by your implication of saying all your physical body needs is the lord. Yet you do not give away all your possesions or only live with what you need. You take in and do unecessary things and you sin just like the rest of us. Im saying my med choice is no different than any pharmecuticals. Infact my choice was here first and it doesnt have to be proccessed or MAN MADE. If anything pill poppers and caffeine users should have to be justifying thier choice in the case of "the unnessary" consumption or mind alteration or whatever excuse you propose that put this below your sins. Did you realize CAFFEINE was nearly made ILLEGAL. And that caffeine is a DRUG? Theres that good ole classification thing again. Just think all that stands between millions of more potential law breakers is a classification made by the government.

Information on caffeine;

http://www.abc.net.au/quantum/poison/caffeine/caff...

Point is, look around you. Half the people you see pop pills, or drink CAFFEINE (non prescription hey kids drink up!).

Those alter the mind. And by the way are just as avoidable as cannabis is. Translation not needed. The effects you get from gossip or any other sin is mind altering (remember marijuana isnt even a sin, there is yet to be any proof). Now i could point out that a bonified bible backed world renowned sin is sure as heck worse than something that isnt even listed as a sin. Yet you proclaim the opposite. Kinda counter productive against what the bible says. Lets see SIN versus something thats not a sin. Hmm and this "draws you closer to God"..... Interesting......

Marijuana or cannabis is not even listed, mentioned,reffered to in the bible. Are you aware that the bible is kind of what christianity goes by?

  But hey its your world christopher robin. Talk about blasphemy. You charge me with blasphemy now? Are you aware Of what comparrison is? Do you realize jesus did make wine? Do you read the bible son? Do you study scripture? Study is not just  in application,deffinition or meaning. Its also in assumption. you have to look at the assumptions associated with things. Like you say im bieng sinful for consuming marijuana despite EVIDENCE thereof. Are we to asume your (certified) sins are lesser? Ok theres an example of assumptions. Need another? An apple is defined as a red fruit. Does that mean all red fuits are apples? NO theres cherrys, palmagranites and yada yada you get the idea. Well probably not but  keep trying.

The picture i was painting for you is that why did christ make wine? Dont religous zealots believe alcohol is sinful? Do you see where im going with that? 

Are you aware the jews told christ he was guilty of blasphemy for going against their religous hangups (things that the jews thought were Biblicly sound)?  Find the assumptions there? No, by no means am i saying im like christ in this scenario. However examine the principals. Let me know if you need help with that..

No need for dramatic display of false accusations or making destracting commentary to avoid answering to the facts bieng presented.

 The scripture at the top of this page is followed by a commentary. Do you know what commentary is? OPPINION

Sorcery is regarding magic. We have already covered this. And mind altering? Yep we covered that too. Mater of fact at The top of the page also list some everyday things that we ALL DO too. Yes that means you an other faithful christians. Some more irony there eh? Which have been pointed out MANY times. Yet remain ignored. Probably because faithfull christians, such as your self, need to save theyre resources and mental capcity for the pursuit of herb users. Oddly enough that has yet to materialize. Pretty unicorns ya have there tho :-D


meanpeace 5 years ago

"The physical body is a testimony."

As mentioned before many times above:  Matthew 15:1 (its a new testament book in the bible) Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man. 

Do you require translation there? Obviously repetition aint working. Ok might as well. Nope it dont matter what goes in your pie hole. 

That is a scripture quote (mat 15:1. Please rebute with scripture. Otherwise you might as well be talking about unicorns and leprechauns.

Your heart and spirit is the testification. A physical testification is a sacrafice. You shouldnt idol your physical body. 

After all its gonna decay unless you plan on cremating or cryogenics or something.

God has recieved plenty of physical sacrifice dont ya think? Jesus bieng the supreme and the LAST. (more christian fundamentals) Sacrifice is under old testament covenant. (that law is used by muslims etc).

This body isnt gonna go with you when you leave. This is where you say ok then why consume marijuana and harm it at a faster rate or AT ALL. Or worse go against Gods will, or cause a stumbling block or someother emotional fact deprived outburst. Then i say look heres the facts see for your self ITS NOT HARMFULL. INFACT IT DOES GOOD. GOD MADE IT, ITS A MEDICINE AND MORE. There are just as many people that "stumble" regardless of what they put in theyre mind. This is where you say it alters the mind. Then I say yep we covered that so does caffeine or anything else really. Then you expose a bunch of oppinion and emotion. As for any logical exchange of anything resembling a point of view support that has reffrences or facts has yet to be produced by you. Pointing to legality and sorcery aint gonna cut it bub. Statutes or "Laws" come and go. Its an unjust statute, corrupt and its not working. Atleast if removal is the sole intention. Obviously it$ not. Sorcery. Dude that is potions and magic. Marijuana does not need to be proccessed. Translation: you dont make it into a potion. Its uses primarily in its raw GOD MADE form. Nothing magical happens when its used. You feel relaxed and sometimes hungry. Like oh my gosh call 911. Call david copperfield we have a new magic improv ideah.  

Yes its "illegal". So is not wearing a sealt belt. Or texting while driving, do i have to go on? Let me remind you those can kill. Yet its only reprocussion comes in the form of those law enforcement violations let alone any social or fellow christian concern. All that becomes of it is is a wee little fine. No sermons no marches. Nothing. Lives lost. Nothing. I wonder how may people die a year from no sealt belts? Im sure its more than the ZERO that have died from marijuana. Unless your counting DRUG RAIDS or dope deals gone bad. Which are even MORE REASON to make it legal AGAIN, let alone stop the unnecessary violence associated BECAUSE of LEGALITY. 

This is where you say well pot can kill you or make you kill someone. Um actually no there are ZERO deaths as a result of using marijuana. There are people who die from peanut allergies. Numbers dont matter there after. This is where you say it wont kill you but it will be a stumbling block to others. This is where i say if your doing "it"  (christianity) right so will the other SINS that haunt the physical body and thoughts that EVERYONE POSSESS NO MATER WHAT AND WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE TILL THEY DIE.

 CHRIST IS THE ONLY SINLESS. Thats a/the major concept in christianity. Anyone claiming to be beyond or equivilant to christ wouldnt not be on this earth as we know it.

" If an unsaved person saw you drinking alcohol or smoking pot what would they think? Oh hey a christian!"

What would they think if they saw you gorging your self at a buffet, checking out thier spouse, or other more likely stuff. Its been noted:

Sins of the tongue are mostly commited daily and are various, for example: 

Backbiting, speaking sarcastically, not fulfil a promise made, calling others by detestable names, speaking and blaming on the basis of mere suspicion, cracking jokes which are hurtful and which embarrasses others, not speaking the truth, by not acknowledging one's error and offering an apology, speaking ill of others, engage in gossip or slander or scandalising, insulting, uttering of a wrong statement without first thinking, using slang and vulgar speech styles, mentioning nauseates or disgusting things to others while they are eating, rudely interrupting others, being two-tongued, spying on others, tendering false evidence, taking of an false oath, defaming another, give different conflicting answers, asking for bribery, falsehood, false flattery, inconvenience others by asking a difficult request, and we could go on for a while. Guess what your at the top of this page too :-D

 How many people do you SERIOUSLY think are "faithfull" after that?

Perhaps you were taught all sins are SIN. Perhaps you do know we are all equal in the eyes of the lord

"I am not saying you are not a christian if you do those things because only God knows your heart."

So, that being said you still maintain that your judgement is of Gods position. This is a third party contract. God (The highest) YOU & ME. I would have to consent to that statements intent.And I do not consent. The contract bieng you as a christian, me as the same. You affirm that I am lesser, and you are greater. However you do affirm notice of Gods descision.

Insert that famous quote from JESUS "let who is umungst us cast the first stone". Translation were all equals.

" But an unsaved person doesn't think that. You would be nothing but a stumbling block."

I got news for you. An unsaved person thinks alot of things. They are filled with views,beliefs, mannorisms, actions and thoughts  that Need be "changed" just like EVERYONE ELSE who claims to be better than anyone else or otherwise. You can only get rid of so much junk before your left with an empty room (JUST YOU). And if you think your better than everything else beyond that room, i hope you like warm weather. Translation here is : #1 your not perfect (yes i know you claim not to be) #2 if you only knew what your so called faithfull christian friends do or think ( UNaddmitted things that are SINFULL ).

#3 no mater how hard you try you will always have sinful nature. Wich means you will never be any closer to god than I am or vise versa. We are equals in gods eyes.

 Or perhaps you as anyother common self, Can relate with THE strugle. Notice the singular? Struggle. Okay insert we are EQUALS again here.

So how can you imply that im a lesser because of a legaility? Remember womans right to vote. Slavery, segregation the whole nine yards?

 Have you noticed "laws" are changing. Remember it used to be legal?  Ut oh sign of the times? 

Laws come and go. Hooray for same sex mariages eh? Do you see my point there? We are not oblidged to support the law just because its a "law". Need more clarification? If same sex is legal wouldnt that make you an upholder of that law? No? Why? Insert cannabis scenario here.

Hows that evidence coming? Call your pastor, get some help finding reffrences or something. I could use some mental or intellectual support regarding your side of your rebutals other than arbitrary~ unicorns and leprechauns


meanpeace 5 years ago

michellesbusta: thanks, im just getting started :-D


Justin 5 years ago

Just because it can help someone physically doesn't mean you should use it. 1 Corinthians 6:12. So your saying that the Christians point of view is unicorns and leprechuans? Pathetic. Stop pointing a finger at me. I realize that I am a sinner too. Now tell me what Scripture I have gone against. I named a bunch you choose to twist. I am allowed to say when YOU ARE A STUMBLING BLOCK. We are all equals in the eyes of God. Some of us actually listen to what He tells us though. Have you ever read Genesis? God said that every herb that yields seed is ours Gen. 1:29 But I'm sure you remember when the ground became cursed. Gen. 3:17-18. I am tired of all the selfishness you show. I admitted that I am not perfect and yes sin is all the same. You can say what you want, but I am not going against Scripture. "I am not saying you are not a christian if you do those things because only God knows your heart." Whats your problem? Im giving glory to God saying He is the One most high. God is the only one who knows your heart. Wow. Hey the bible doesn't say directly not to go to strip clubs either but is it ok? No. If you want to do whatever you want to your earthly body then fine, its not like it's the temple of God or anything. Satan is the great justifier. Congradulations for listening to one of his tricks.


Justin 5 years ago

People, we are all God's children, is Christ divided? We have thoughts and opinions about truth, but there is only one. God is love, we are to love the brethern. To see most of these comments are condemning one another only brings to mind the truth of the world, that it lies in wickedness.. Marvel not for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Always remember, the world will protect it's own, and that's where conflict arises. Love not the world nor the things that are in the world, for if any man love the world the love of the Father is not in him, for all the things of the world, lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and the pride of life is not of the Father but is of the world. And the world passes away and the lust thereof, but he that doeth the will of God abideth forever. Amen.


Darren 5 years ago

god teaches us that our body is a temple and with keeping a clean heart and mind so that we can become one with god and jesus if we smoke Marijuana does that not seperate us


meanpeace 5 years ago

"Just because it can help someone physically doesn't mean you should use it."

(Are you serious? Why didnt you tell me that sooner? Im sooo sorry. Well that changes everything now. I tell you what, you go after the people who eat healthy and take vitamins, i will get those no good people that excersise n stuff. Together we can inform these sinners of their wrong doing. Taking in something thats good for you, what is the world coming to. The nerve of some people.) 

" 1 Corinthians 6:12."

(Wow, our first reciprical intellectual excange! Excellent job, we got those gears turning now. Thats what im talking about. Gimme a high (ta he he) five brother. Theres just a wee little problem. That passage is regarding SEXUAL IMORALITY. As you may or more than likely NOT know. That letter wich Paul the "appostle" wrote to the church of corinth. Do you know what the church of corinth was into? Yep fornication. Did you not realize this? This scripture is out of context with what we are talking about. But I will humor you and go with it. Im all for bible study. Lets break it down shall we.)

" 1 Corinthians 6:12."    12  All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

( God is the giver of sovereignty, there will be suffering, all things are not proper,the power of God unity prevails. Is it the all things are not proper, that you choose to use as a point? That statement is true, so is saying good things become of bad. Justin marijuana has been proven to be a good thing. You fail to prove its unbiblical authority.)

 13  Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. 

( As i said your body PHYSICAL body is a carcass that will die and rott )

Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body. 

( yep there it is that word FORNICATION. Sorry justin this passage has the wrong application.)

14  And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power. 15  Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. 

( No need for excuse why God would need any help, christ and us are 1, (on a funny note our physical bodies cant be One unless we are blendid together like hot dogs or something. Dang man is that why weinies are kosher?)  Anyways see that word harlot? It means prostitute or "whore". Once again this is a reffrence to sex, they were whore mongers dude.The corinthians were claiming to be of God yet they fornicated openly. Translation. Although theyre spirit body was "dedicated" to God, they occupied theyre physical body hypocriticly by fornicating rather absurdly. Our spiritual body(s) is the physical body of christ. After all he does live, yet his carcass is long gone. Although theres rumors of sightings of him and elvis. Har har)

16  What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. 17  But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. 18  Flee fornication.

( i would ask you, if you see that word again but i get a feeling its not going to mater. Im sure you have another destraction or tactic of avoid in the works? Maybe some accusations or something. )

 Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; 

(Heres your clue that ITS THE SPIRITUAL BODY that is the vessel for christ etc. Because IN SIN you are OUTSIDE OF YOUR SPIRITUAL BODY.)

but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. 

(see that word fornication? We arent talking about sex are we? Back to the topic)

 19  What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 

( In SIN (when you a sinning) you are in your physical body as demonstrated above, your SPIRITUAL BODY bieng the dwelling place ( TEMPLE ) of the holy spirit. Notice it says holy ghost wich is IN you? not talking about a suppository or something. Its not a hard concept to grasp. Why do you maintain marijuana is not good spiritualy or physicaly without proof. It Is the pilar block of your argument, i can see why you would pursue it. But its been proven otherwise. And even then fails in comparrison to dr peper. Yet you proclaim otherwise without evidence. Holy spirit body is IN your physical body. Does it say it IS your body? No it says IN. None the less this whole passage is about fornication)

20  For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.  

( Christ paid the/ultimate price. His physical body was tormented and spent. We are incable of exceeding that. Atleast I know i am. So what other body is ours to give that can glorify God? Our spiritual body wich houses our/THE spirit .Theres that word IN again. Your physical body is an OUTward thing by the way. So your arguement of bieng kind to your physical body as possible is absured BECAUSE marijuana is benneficial, so then you say oh ok well just cuz its good for you you dont have to use it. Dude.

 Perhaps you mean to say that i think you can be worldy, wild, crazy and runing around doing drugs and drinking etc etc. No, not the case. We all should be as christ like as possible. Again we could go back to the previous conversation, would he use herbs? Cant be proven either way. Both sides Equal there as well. We know he made wine. Spoke of wine bottles, he spoke of the difference in new and old wine bottles. Am I implicating that he used herb? He was given herb at birth. Same herb? No, but herb use period was common practice. That means other stuff was used too and thats truth. All facts given it more justification for using herbs, than what can be justified by people who say not to use herbs.)

Mathew 9:17 

Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved. 

(Out of the mouth of Christ and undeniable! We could go into the context and application. My point is obviously christ new of mans ways (wine & herb use etc yes its proven marijuana was around 3000 B.C. Thats before christ. Anyways he knew the facits obviously by demonstrating the reaction of fermintation (making alcohol). Im not saying he used it. What im saying is HE DIDNT say not to. And we know that herb use was everywhere. Frankensense etc remember?. If marijuana was such a concern All be a sons uncle if they forgot to write his warning down about it. Or anyother holy bieng at that!) 

"So your saying that the Christians point of view is unicorns and leprechuans?" 

(I got news for ya, your view nor mine is the christian point of view. The christian point of view is CHRIST. As for leprechauns and unicorns, i was reffering to your non sense display of emotion that materializes ( its admirable because it shows your passion. Dont ever let your passion deminish.) 

I was comparing Your argument, it is imaginary like the undeniably fake yet popular unicorns and leprechauns. Its like a something that everyone knows of, knows is not true, yet think nothing wrong of it. Im saying your hatred and the deminishing spiritualy and moraly of herb consumers is socialy acceptable. Yet is should not be. Especialy since every reason why you choose to do so has been proven as a false reason.)

( All your personal denominational hangups like physical body temples, A Sin point system that bring certain faithful christians closer to God while the other christians are stumbling, wich is  contridictory because we are all equal and if none of us did not stumble then we would be perfect. How many perfect people do you know. Yes this we all know. Yet there seems to be blenty of people who think they are special or more favored in Gods eye. So they choose to charge other sinners as well for the things they do. A major contridiction and a vise.)

(Old testament practices and principles are for for jews etc. Are you a christian or a jew? Then go by the new testament. Our body is not to be worshiped,idolized, sacrificed etc as cl


meanpeace 5 years ago

Darren,

If you let it, ANYthing will come between you. The signifigance in marijuana coming between you is in comparrison to caffeine.


meanpeace 5 years ago

 Our body is not to be worshiped,idolized, sacrificed etc as clearly demonstrated. Theres goes the whole why put anything besides food water air or God into you idea your trying to sell. What its not that extreme? Ok make a list of things "God says were aloud to consume" because evidently going by what the bible says isnt good enough. Once again using herbs is listed in the bible. Your view of not using them ISNT. Yet somehow you use smoke screen :-D and insist the opposite of truth)

( However given the context of this discussion, emotion isnt proving your "side", and given the facts you presented thus far, i have shown them to be iligitimate, out of context, and to put it plainly WRONG. Every charge you have given i have proven otherwise. Comparitively speaking its like Catching a child in a lie. The child will usualy avoid questions, do or say other things to destract from the original issue, and throw an emotional fit. The child knows you are right, yet they maintain they didnt lie despite what evidence you show them. Am i saying your lying. Well prior to our discussion you may have not known truth about marijuana and its impact on us physicly, spiritualy, or its biblical aspect. Now that you have been presented with irrefutable facts and reffrences You cannot say that you do not know of the truth. Going against truth is what? Justin i have proved your point wrong. Yet you deny it. Time and time again. Marijuana is a stumbling block that is no different than a dr peper. You fail to prove otherwise. How do facts and refferences get dissmissed over what ever it is thats your defense? Im sorry you dont agree. You can not argue with fact or truth. Keep in mind no one owns truth. I take no credit for truth, i didnt make the truth. But i shouldnt be Blasphemed because i expose truth, just because its conflicting with your point. I see your point. Why use it if you dont have to. 

Ok if thats the case. Why eat candy? Why drink caffeine, why anything else? How is a group of people that uses one thing over another more sinful than you. Especialy if its not even listed or proven as a sin)

"Pathetic. Stop pointing a finger at me. I realize that I am a sinner too."

( Im defending cannabis application to man as given by God. I can and will cause you to examine you, or others like you, for their false and unbiblical doctrine. My aim is truth. Your welcome and encouraged to prove otherwise).

 "Now tell me what Scripture I have gone against."

Do you really want me to do that?  My goal is not to belittle YOU, its to expose your frame of thought and its core purpose or origin. And to prove that cannabis is not a sin nor is it harmfull. I could list scripture regarding judgement, lying, false prophecy; you claim to be Gods voice on marijuana, and probably a few other things I care not to do.)

 "I named a bunch you choose to twist. I am allowed to say when YOU ARE A STUMBLING BLOCK."

Oh like what? A bunch? Show me the words i am twisting. I believe i have addressed everything. Infact it ends up exposing the falsehood of your point. Let me know if i missed something. I will be glad to answer. How is truth a stumbling block?)

" We are all equals in the eyes of God. Some of us actually listen to what He tells us though."

(Yep, thats my reason for speaking truth)

"Have you ever read Genesis?"

(Yep, its a rather long book, but i have read it twice and bits n pieces here n there and listened to its complete passages twice on my ipod as well. I reccomend getting one! Its really a blessing because you can listen in your car while driving. Might as well be learning while commuting eh?)

"God said that every herb that yields seed is ours Gen. 1:29"

(You said it :-D oh you left out That God saw that it was good;

Verse 12 same book;  And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.)

 (You cant even prove that its bad let alone against his liking. Seed after HIS kind. Hey dont it say after HIS kind there? Analyse that.)

" But I'm sure you remember when the ground became cursed. Gen. 3:17-18."

(Justin, sigh... Brother i really am ecouraged by your passion. However this again is an improper comparrison. Its application is for the disobeying of God. And there is yet to be proof consuming cannabis is disobeying God. You know this, i know this, they know this. Its like me saying to you eating ice cream means you make God angry. If i showed you in the bible were it hypotheticaly says that, youd probably believe me. But if i couldnt prove it, what are you to think? What would others think? More importantly What would God think.

And I hope you realize its not a physical fruit in refference there in genesis either. Even such the case there was a specific fruit that was forbidden. In our case dont you think God would let us know the fruit that was forbidden? :-D For crying out loud, anyone eating apples or bannas would be guilty then.)

" I am tired of all the selfishness you show"

( How is my defending of my fellow brothers and sisters who consume cannabis selfish? If anything its the opposite. Is that another destraction? Making accusations. Surely you do not do so, To cause me anger so i verbely attack you and defray from the subject and truth. Or is it to destract your self so you do not have to come to the conclusion that your view is inapropriate, or is it to destract others. Cuz if its to destract me it aint gonna work. Now what was I saying :-D  )

"I admitted that I am not perfect and yes sin is all the same. You can say what you want, but I am not going against Scripture."

( Well you certainly aint accepting what has been PROVEN say for instance its health benefits. Although subconciously you have addmitted that its beneficial by saying just because its good for you doesnt mean you have to use it etc etc.) 

(you might be going against scripture if i point out the meaninig, application or assumption is not what you think it is, yet you maintain that it does there after knowingly having the inproper view.)

"I am not saying you are not a christian if you do those things because only God knows your heart." Whats your problem?"

(Then what is your intension?)

 "Im giving glory to God saying He is the One most high. God is the only one who knows your heart. Wow. Hey the bible doesn't say directly not to go to strip clubs either but is it ok?"

(Nope, lust of flesh thats a whole nother subject dude. Keep em coming bro. )

"No. If you want to do whatever you want to your earthly body then fine, its not like it's the temple of God or anything. Satan is the great justifier. Congradulations for listening to one of his tricks."

(Huh? Yep earthly unpure bodies cant house God. To think so is mighty concieded to say the least.  Must study hard daniele son. Wax on wax off. Truth not tricky)


Justin 5 years ago

We've been over this. Truth is, it's wrong. Again, the bible doesn't say a lot of things specifically, but does that mean we should try them. NO. Alright I'll keep this simple. If marijuana is soooooo good, why is it always a part of crime? People always get caught with marijuana. Sorry this isn't apart of Christ. Youll say, oh but people were thrown in jail for the Gospel. Yeah for the Gospel, not for marijuana. Lets just say that a Christian gets caught with marijuana. They become a statistic. They won't be known for getting caught for Christ. Again, if an unsaved person saw you using marijuana in some way (not for medical reasons) what would they think?


Justin 5 years ago

Actually, its the other way around. Im encouraged by your passion. It's sad how you can fight for something that destroys lives.


meanpeace 5 years ago

"We've been over this. Truth is, it's wrong."

( If you claim something to be, proof must be presented. Otherwise its just opinion. 

Time after time my point is proven. You say its wrong but fail to show proof.)

"Again, the bible doesn't say a lot of things specifically, but does that mean we should try them."

( true, justin do you realize herb use is mentioned in the bible. Do you realize the bible says nothing about not using herbs for any reason let alone a bad reason. This is your sign that its not bad. Its one thing if were talking about something that wasnt around or used at that time period. But cannabis was around. History prooves this.  Sure you could say are we to use crystal meth or go to stip clubs. But was there fricken crystal meth back then? No. Once again on the right principal, however out of context.)

"NO. Alright I'll keep this simple. If marijuana is soooooo good, why is it always a part of crime?"

( Are you that naive not to realize it the law that creates the criminals? Im not saying law makes people do the things that they do. Im saying the things that are against law wouldnt be against law if it wasnt a law. Are you familiar with prohibition? Take alcohol for instance. Do you know why it was made illegal then made BACK to bieng legal again. Crime. There was so much crime, that is why government had to make it legal again. Think about all the bootlegers and mafia bosses that ran operations killing people over a liquid. Same thing now with marijuana. Are you that naive not to know this? Do you deny that prohibition didnt create crime there? Are you aware that the mexican drug cartel is working its crime into the U.S? Think about it justin. They are not pushing something thats LEGAL. They are pushing something that is ILLEGAL. If it was something legal we could get it from anywhere. But being illegal you have to get it from someone who deals in illegal things. And guess what, chances are they are into some bad bad stuff. Its the legal classification that seperates marijuana from crack, or a dr pepper. Its classification is not based on fact. Do you need a translation. Its the illegality that keeps them in buisness. Its the illegality that creates the unnecessary crime. Once again thank you for helping prove the truth again)

"People always get caught with marijuana."

(Get caught? Are you trying to incorporate a wrong doing with a mere choice of wording lol. Getting caught for marijuana is like getting caught not wearing a seat belt. You have no valid point there. Actually its a sign of weakness justin. Come up with something better.)

" Sorry this isn't apart of Christ. Youll say, oh but people were thrown in jail for the Gospel. Yeah for the Gospel, not for marijuana."

( bieng apart of christ, hmm niether is football,cafeine,icecream or anything else everyday people use and do. Are You basing your descision to condemn millions of people on that? Yeah dude because marijuana WASNT ILLEGAL :-D dude you just keep putting your foot in your mouth. Sure if marijuana was illegal back then maybe people were thrown in jail. However it wasnt even an option because it wasnt made illegal INTERNATIONALY ( the whole world ) untill the 1970's. Do you see the irony there? It was LEGAL in christs day. Its NOtt in our day. Even if you do realize this you will destract and deny.)

( Lets just say that a Christian gets caught with marijuana. They become a statistic. They won't be known for getting caught for Christ."

(how narrow is the mind that thinks that someone getting "caught" for ANYTHING represents CHRIST. Christ is uncomparable to anything or anyone or any group of people. The christians that go to jail for tax evasion or vehicle violation etc etc arent doing it for christ either. Anything can be a statistic. As long as its illegal yes there will be legal reprocussion. Same with seat belt law. Seat belts save lives too by the way. Its no different than a christian getting arrested for seat belt violation (as if law cares if we die), tax evasion, violence or anyother socialy acceptable christian law violations)

 "Again, if an unsaved person saw you using marijuana in some way (not for medical reasons) what would they think?" 

( you are implicating that we should lead by example. Ok then why teach others that unjustifed condemnation of fellow man , and false doctrine is ok?) once again you have no proof that it a sin or that its wrong. Herbs are mentioned in the bible many times. Yet you fail to produce one single verse about marijuana. Do you remember my point of same sex mariage? What does the bible say? What do you say? What does the law say. If its legal in a state, does that mean you support same sex mariage? Will you condemn those who say its wrong even though its legal? Do you see my point.)

(when are you going to realize that your view point is a product of the law and its social effect on people.)


meanpeace 5 years ago

Its the legality that destoys lives. Because medicaly,spiritualy, and physicaly it doesnt harm. On the contrary its been proven its beneficial. So yeah its sad Government chooses to make criminals out of herb consumers. While theres no second thought about coffee bean addicts. Maybe one day that will change.


Justin 5 years ago

"Again, if an unsaved person saw you using marijuana in some way (not for medical reasons) what would they think?" Seriously, are you actually going to answer this question or not? The answer you gave was nothing related to the question.


Justin 5 years ago

What kind of testimony does it give? I've given you proof plenty of times. It's not my fault if you don't even consider it.


meanpeace 5 years ago

Same thing they would think if they saw anyother christian doing anyother crime :-D


Justin 5 years ago

Actually thats wrong. Why would they think you're a Christian? Who in their right mind thinks oh hey a pothead? Must be a Christian! Good try though.


meanpeace 5 years ago

"What kind of testimony does it give?"

(Your insinuating that its wrong. I have proven that its not. So obviously youre the one(s) that would have a problem with its "testamony". I or likeminded people would have no problem with it. Its the brainwashed social reform religous drones that would have a problem with it. In a free and just society it is legal and acceptable. If you think we live in a free and just society now, your sadly mistaken. To me its like someone "giving testomony" with a dr pepper in hand. 

You see where i come from and how i was raised its no different than smoking a ciggerete. And facts are its beneficial, tobacco ISNT.  My grandparents consumed it. Both of  My mother and my father still consume it (legaly) and the rest of my family down to my cousins all know and or consume as well. Otherwise We are a loving law abiding people.  And you really wouldnt be able to tell we or better yet I consume marijuana. Where i come from its not a hidden thing. Its not evil, it has no negative aspects, except when coming accross people who oppose it like youreself.)

 "I've given you proof plenty of times. It's not my fault if you don't even consider it."

( like what? Proof that i have proven wrong. If proof is proven wrong, then other proof must be presented. Justin you cannot just submit the same reaccuring DEBUNKED statements.)


meanpeace 5 years ago

Justin 7 hours ago

"Actually thats wrong."

( yeah justin, So you say. We're still waiting on proof from you by the way.)

"Why would they think you're a Christian? "

( Because christ is my savior... Duh. Once again you insinuate that its wrong or worse than something else or more of a sin than anyother sin. We have already addressed that. And i believe its safe to say wrong is wrong sin is sin, everyone is equal. So what part dont you understand about that?   )

"Who in their right mind thinks oh hey a pothead? Must be a Christian! Good try though."

(the same ones who think of you a same sex mariage supporter, or abortion supporter wich is all of us. How dare you play God and say those who use marijuana are not christian or even play with the notion that others should think the same. Its this hypocritical practice that shines through in your rebutals. Your point will never be made with setting your brothers and sisters apart from God. Thats Gods job. Woe to the soul that thinks he can herd the flock as if he were christ.)


Justin 5 years ago

I have given all kinds of proof like I said. I'm not playing the role of God. Don't be stupid; I was being sarcastic and by the way that isn't playing the role of God. Again, by the fruits ye shall know they. Good for you where you grew up it was ok. Ooooooooo That must make it right. Nope. No, I need the proof from you. Medical benefits isn't going to cut it. If anybody is trying to play the role of God it is yourself; calling someone a hypocrite is the same thing as you claim I am doing. Brainwashed? No not really. It's called conviction. I choose to listen to what the bible says. I guess my question is, if a brother in Christ thinks what you are doing causes another to stumble, would you still choose to be a user?


Abbeyroad 5 years ago

I am a born again believer in Jesus Christ. Given that, I have HIM in my heart. I have smoked pot before and I LOVED it. It was a BLAST! We can honestly go on all day about what the bible says and where it says it... And I honestly believe that staying in the Word can help direct your path in the right direction... But you also have the HOLY SPIRIT in your heart. Why not just take a week or two and pray, pray, PRAY about it? As much as I loved smoking weed, after praying about it I felt God telling me that it isn't right. I know this in my heart. As much as I TRY to justify that it isn't wrong, the Holy Spirit inside of me let's me

know that it is.

If you found out your pastor smoked weed would you think differently of him? I would! Why would I trust someone to lead me closer to Christ if he, himself isnt separated from the world? Am I to be a light unto the world? How can I be if I'm doing the same things they are? Christianity is such a watered down belief anymore.


Abbeyroad 5 years ago

I am a born again believer in Jesus Christ. Given that, I have HIM in my heart. I have smoked pot before and I LOVED it. It was a BLAST! We can honestly go on all day about what the bible says and where it says it... And I honestly believe that staying in the Word can help direct your path in the right direction... But you also have the HOLY SPIRIT in your heart. Why not just take a week or two and pray, pray, PRAY about it? As much as I loved smoking weed, after praying about it I felt God telling me that it isn't right. I know this in my heart. As much as I TRY to justify that it isn't wrong, the Holy Spirit inside of me let's me

know that it is.

If you found out your pastor smoked weed would you think differently of him? I would! Why would I trust someone to lead me closer to Christ if he, himself isnt separated from the world? Am I to be a light unto the world? How can I be if I'm doing the same things they are? Christianity is such a watered down belief anymore.


Abbeyroad 5 years ago

Christianity is black and white. Read the bible, meditate on it, listen to what God tells you to do, tell others. Instead we spend our time arguing about whether smoking weed is wrong? We need to stop trying to mold and create Christianity into what WE want it to be and just let God take over and do what HE WANTS to do with our lives.


meanpeace 5 years ago

"I have given all kinds of proof like 

I said." 

(oh, ok guess i missed it. How fast was it going? Still here? Cuz i dont see it)

"I'm not playing the role of God." 

( If you seperate or dictate who is a christian or not then yes you are  assuming the role of)

" I was being sarcastic and by the way that isn't playing the role of God. " 

( Gee doing Gods descisions for him, or telling him or us whos allowed to be christian. Your right thats beyond God, how dare you.)

"Again, by the fruits ye shall know they."

( What makes you think your fruits are better than anyone elses fruits? If you think your fruits dont come out stinking like everyone elses does......with that mind set: I'd guess you would really know what the crap you were talking about)

"Good for you where you grew up it was ok."

( Yep plant earth, where we all live. And theres more justin. Many many more all around you oooooh lock your doors, hide your snacks a roo who ha ha. Some people you would never imagine. Doctors lawyers, judges, law enforcement. Did you know that Steve Jobs inventor of Apple computer-iphone or better yet personal computer technology (wich government was trying to prevent by the way)   consumed marijuana? Look it up. Know where he got his inspiration from? Bet ya would have never known otherwise. So much for stereotypical sherades)

" Ooooooooo That must make it right. Nope. No, I need the proof from you."

( What proof? That its accepted as beneficial by your fellow man? Been provided. Proof That its not right? Yeah its absent. Or proof  that its not right, that its beneficial. As you proclaim lol. This once again exposes your core principal's origin. Social reform. Again you say its not right, but neglect to show proof. You will need proof justin. You can not charge millions of people as sinners or anything other than bieng just as spiritualy equivilant as you, without proof of your claim. I dont need to prove anything. You are the one charging. The ironic thing there is theres has been numerous reffrences to its beneficial properties. I have provided direct web site links that spell it all out for you. Once over, they are with delegation from federal authority, wich is ironic because its the federal that keeps it "illegal" and thus is the creator of your view..)

"Medical benefits isn't going to cut it."

( Bravo justin bravo. Well said sir. Never such has been a more robust rebutal than youre "isnt going to cut it". Such passion such cunning witt.  Are your arms crossed? Is your botom lip sticking out? Got the whimpers? Tail between your legs? I dont need to convience you. You have been presented with truth. Its on your concious now to apply or deny.)

 "If anybody is trying to play the role of God it is yourself; calling someone a hypocrite is the same thing as you claim I am doing."

( More Unicorns and leprechauns. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Bring me the witches broom stick and we will talk.  )

"Brainwashed? No not really. It's called conviction." 

( ok justin your conviction speaks volumes, however we are talking about your personal view not a conviction. Cannabis has not  been proven to be harmful, or degrading let alone prohibited by God, its maker by the way, again. 

I only hope you go all the way with this " conviction" and become a celebate monk or an african evangelical missionary n stuff giving away all your possesions and earthly attatchments and pursue only christ. That kind of conviction? Is that the kind of conviction you have justin? Or is it just half ass like all the rest of us. Passion pure passion. Bravo young lad.)

(Or is it more along the lines of stay away from "drugs" alcohol etc, meanwhile you retain spiritual division and condemnation upoun your brethren while hypocriticly stumbling over personal ego and old testament doctrine and many other hangups anyother living breathing person goes through. Wich is it?)

" I choose to listen to what the bible says."

(Great! So, even though "we" consume cannabis, we are all equals in the eyes of the lord. Awesome we have made some progress!)

 "I guess my question is, if a brother in Christ thinks what you are doing causes another to stumble, would you still choose to be a user?"

( User? lol well We are all users of something arent we.  Yes, because you can bet, that "another" is going to "stumble" on anything that they let THEMSELVES stumble over. If i wanted to i can say your causing me to stumble. However a weak desire for the lord will allow anything to become a stumble. Talk about excuse makers lol .Your reffrence of stumble is regarding pauls addressing of weak minded/desire God desiring individuals. Why  do you maintain that a "potential" or hypothetical stumble over marijuana is any different than a stumble over ego or pride or anyother thing else that we all surely stumble over?.)


Father of six 5 years ago

One question to everyone what happen to the body being a temple?


meanpeace 5 years ago

That would be spiritual body not a physical body. Physical body "temple" is for old testament doctrine. The human physical body is unpure. Did you not read above?


meanpeace 5 years ago

Abbeyroad , for clarification purposes. Are you reffering to born again in the sense your spirit has been born again because of your acceptance of christ in general. Or are you reffering to born again as you have accepted christ before but drew away, now your accepting christ again?

You insinuate that marijuana is wrong. No proof has been given to demonstrate that it is wrong. Sure you have "used it before". 

And you say it was a blast.  Well, i bet there is still personal vises you have right now that you had before, as well as vises that you will never be able to flee. We are not perfect. There is only one perfect. And Christ's blood makes us perfect. Obviously we are incapable of bieng perfect. Thats the whole reason in needing a savior. If you want to refrain from "weed" to please him or gain spiritualy. Go for it. Thats great.  But theres a whole bunch of other stuff to add to that list, that you need to address too! 

Yep Prayer without ceasing. Thus i shall do. It is of Gods provision and its of Gods reason that i defend my and my brothers and sisters consumption of an herb. So yes prayer is, was, and will continue. Belittle not my God given right and duty by saying i should pray about it. Im christian i pray many times a day about hosts of maters this included. To charge others of wrong doing without any proof other than that of  a conviction of "spirit" that resides in only you or others like you, thereby telling other spirit bodys whats right and wrong". Comparitively speaking Your saying a vapor is giving you signs and prophecy to direct others in their wrong doing. I say vapor because it canot be seen by the others (to verify its validity) that you say do wrong. So is everyone to trust this reasoning? Because it isnt biblicly sound. That is prophecy are you a prophet? Or is it better to trust Gods word? What does God say about weed? So one could say well wouldnt it be better to just not do it. Uh like yeah, if you have reason to believe so sure. We have reason to refrain from cafeine. But thats never gonna happen is it.

That is a personal mater. Once again as demonstrated biblicaly there is no reffrence to demonsrate the justification for "believing" such as you believe. Yes you may believe or feel that its wrong all day and all night. As for any validity of the fact that it is wrong has yet to be seen. I read the bible, pray and meditate on the lord DAILY. This is no lie.

 I do consider myself a bible scholar (we all should study the bible many times over) and welcome any biblical discusions. And as for biblical context about this opposers have no grounds. My spirit desire is no different than yours. Why try to paint a picture that it isnt by saying that it cant be? 

If i "found out"? That is insinuating its wrong. And it is not.

I wouldnt think any  different of a pastor that "smokes weed" than i would of a pastor that drinks coffee, wich caffeine is a drug and is classified in the same category as cocaine, or stimulants. Do you partake of caffeinated beverages? Then you are just as much "of the world as anyone else is. So your comment about the hypothetical weed smoking pastor is preposterous because regardless if "weed" wasnt his vice. Than something(s) else will/would/is. Thus its Contridictory and hypocritical to point the finger at marijuana consumers. Failure to realize this is denial of personal sin and human temptation that we ALL will have till the day we die. Even saints. Only christ is perfect.

" Why would I trust someone to lead me closer to Christ if he, himself isnt separated from the world?"

( i got news for you, your not seperated from the world. After all here you are. You sin and stumble just like everyone else including "otherwise faithful obiedient" pastors do.)

 "Am I to be a light unto the world? How can I be if I'm doing the same things they are?"

( And where do you draw the line? Have you given up television, given away all your earthly possesions, gossiping conversations etc etc. I bet you still harbour thoughts of flesh,ego, or anyother humanly desire or vise. Thats different you say? Yep thats right,  so you say. What does God say. Sin is sin. Marijuana is NOT a sin and its not harmful. Once again. If you say it is prove it. Otherwise i could say eating sweets is a sin and all who partake of them displease God. Sound crazy? Thats the same line of thinking that im hearing from you people.


Justin 5 years ago

meanpeace: You can't witness to someone high. Sorry, therefore it ruins a testimony and isn't helpful for CHRIST!


meanpeace 5 years ago

Lets look at some of what Jesus taught, on the sermon on the mount. For those who dont know off hand, it starts on the 5th chapter of Matthew.

22: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

(  Dare you call me a fool for consuming cannabis? Dare you call me a fool for anything? Dare you to change the word fool into something else? )

28: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. 

( wow, how convicting is that. Even so called "faithfull" pastors will admit they strugle with sin. Funny how they wont tell you what sin. Hmm so you say a bonified adulterer (one whom merely thinks of flesh) is more "faithfull" than a weed smoker? ... )

47: And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

( Respect no mater what. I respect you in your decision to refrain from cannabis. Do you respect me in my decision. Even non christians will.  )

25: Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment

( Hmm )

Chp7 1: Judge not, that ye be not judged.

( Straight out of Christs mouth! Whom here claims glory in judgement? )

3: And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4: Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5: Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

( so yeah man, like ive been saying.... We are all equals no mater what is proclaimed otherwise. A non "weed" consuming christian is just as much of a sinner as a "weed" consuming one)

15: Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

(  What does a wolf do? Hunt. Have you come here to hunt marijuana users? I came here to defend sheep, bieng my self, and my brethren.

Are you proffessing marijuana is a sin? What does the word of God say about it. Still maintain that it is? Do you have the gift of prophecy? )

17: Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

( in context of marijuana, Proof has been presented that it is beneficial ( good ) for our human body. This makes it a good tree. However with any any logic a person can see what the true context of this passage is. )

Yes, it is funny how many christians believe in christ, but dont believe what he says. 


meanpeace 5 years ago

Justin,

" You can't witness to someone high. Sorry, therefore it ruins a testimony and isn't helpful for CHRIST!"

Who are (you) to say what (I)cant do. Christ doesnt need "help" by the way.

 And furthermore i hope there isnt anybody claiming to "witness" while high on cafiene, pills, or ego or a whole boat load of other mind altering things you continue to ignore. Yet you insist marijuana is consumed because of a "high"? Thats rather odd. Its beneficial properties far exceed a secondary effect; mind alteration. Do you witness to others while condeming others? Talk about "cant".  ;-D


Justin 5 years ago

Im am NOT angry. Im simply stating something. You do not know who I am. You claim me taking God's role. Nope. You've taken that spot. If anyone is angry look at yourself. I don't condemn you. You're pretty good at twisting words. For the last time, I am not judging you." You can't witness to someone high. Sorry, therefore it ruins a testimony and isn't helpful for CHRIST!" I am saying this in general. No I do not ignore those things. Last time I checked caffeine didn't effect talking to someone about Christ. I am a Christian and love Christ with all my heart. I do listen to what he says.

"so yeah man, like ive been saying.... We are all equals no mater what is proclaimed otherwise. A non "weed" consuming christian is just as much of a sinner as a "weed" consuming one"

Yeah I know.

22: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Hey "man", I have a cause. It's a shame you don't see that, but that verse is about unrighteous anger. Trying to stick up for Christ when so called Christians do worldly things is not unrighteous anger.

In the end, yeah I respect your decision. You can do whatever you choose to do. You have your opinion, I have mine. But I just hope that someone you know doesn't fall away from Christ because you told them it was ok to use cannabis. Don't say it doesn't happen, because the Christians I knew that started using cannabis turned away from Him and didn't give glory to God. It all starts from Christians who say to others,"It's ok to do weed."


meanpeace 5 years ago

Justin,

"Im am NOT angry. Im simply stating something. You do not know who I am. You claim me taking God's role. Nope. You've taken that spot. If anyone is angry look at yourself. I don't condemn you. You're pretty good at twisting words."

( Twisting words? You probably mean turning the table :- D 

How have i taken Gods role? By saying your not as high and mighty as you think you are? By saying its not your decision who is "in sin" using marijuana? By saying we are equal? How is that playing God when i stick up for Gods decision for it to be his decision? lol more destraction there justin?

 I dont even deny that i get angry. Thats my biggest stumbling block, anger. Seriously even in church when the pastor says something thats not true or is just a mere personal oppinion but trys to convey it as bieng a fact, it infuriates me. Its a battle. Im not talking about when he mentions this topic we are discussing either.)

( It doesnt matter if you are angry or not. Do you deny that you do get angry? I know I get angry. Dont worry im not perfect either.   My point is  how many "faithfull" christians do you think, get angry  even while "bieng saved"? (ones who dont smoke "weed") 

oh ok are you aware a statement is not a fact. Once again facts regarding the positive context and scriptual refrences of marijuana have been provided.)

" For the last time, I am not judging you."

( last time? cool! What about the others? :-D )

" No I do not ignore those things."

(So, you visit forums etc and "testify" or "witness" in a like manner as you did this subject/ this page to christian people that battle those things? Sit around and discuss those things with your brethren? How deep is your vessle that holds concern over those things? Is it the same size as your vessle of concern for marijuana users? Do you really consider all christians equal?)

" Last time I checked caffeine didn't effect talking to someone about Christ." 

( Like, niether does cannabis. Did you check that too? The topic of this page is :Bible Verses About Weed and Alcohol -- Drugs and Alcohol in the Bible.

See the word weed, or drugs? Caffeine IS A DRUG. A refference to verify that, has been provided. That refference provides the dangers,efects,legality, and application, associated with human (thats us) consumption (we use alot). It efects the body and mind. Thats why its added to drinks. Theres plenty of uncaffeinated stuff to supplement not using it. Hence its not a "neccesity" as you might say marijuana isnt either. Caffeine is highly adicting.  Point there is millions and millions use caffiene without getting the pleasure of getting caught :-D

 "I am a Christian and love Christ with all my heart. I do listen to what he says."

( Excellent )

"Hey "man", I have a cause."

( Everything has a cause and also on effect. The effects of your "cause" is harboring false judgement and accusations on your cannabis consuming brethren if not directly from you, with your consent. Your initial accusation was cannabis is sin. Its been demonstrated its not a sin. Then yous say its wrong. Its been demonstrated its not wrong. Then you say its harmful. Its been demonstrated that its not harmful. Then you say it illegal. Its been demonstrated that same sex marriage is legal. Then you have the nerve to say your not judging, showing anger, thinking of any neggative thoughts or any other sinful thoughts about marijuana users. Forget about the reason you came here? Forget about the claims you made about marijuana?  You say that using drugs (of wich marijuana is of that list,) is sinful and makes you not a true christian or whatever it is that you think seperates us from you.)

(To me thats a major accusation. And it may not come accross as no big deal or seem wrong to you. But i have shown you otherwise. Now you say its not that deep, or thats not what your saying.

 Your just doing your cause. Thats right, just doing your job? Whos job? Whats job? Judgements job? If this is not your intention than im sorry, its coming across as otherwise.)

( You say its better not to "do weed". Thats great. It would be far more beneficial for your cause to demonstrate reasons why that is. 

I mean come on man, show the positive results of a weed free life. Show how they have one less "sin" to worry about so that draws them closer to God than others.

 :-D

  As ironic and simular as the results of wich bieng twain, it would be more constructive of an argument for your sake none the less. Or continue your journey with raw anger and passion. Im sure it attracts supporters as it seems valient untill you expose the facts. Then its root force is just a passion. No different than a passion anyone else could have. This is were facts help you. I Could help ya with some word twisting if ya want.)

( Speaking bluntly, To make stereotypical, Sociological reformitive, assumptions and statements without any validity isnt helping your cause. And let your anger out bro, it causes roids :-D) 

" It's a shame you don't see that, but that verse is about unrighteous anger. Trying to stick up for Christ when so called Christians do worldly things is not unrighteous anger."

( Justin,  my point bieng, everyone has unrighteous behavior and or anger even outside of the realm of this subject mater. To deny that is vain. Are you saying you dont get angry about other things.)

( So if your in accordence with we are equals in christian terms then im cool with that. But it shouldnt be proffesed otherwise. Because as we all know, only christ is perfect. And how can you say you are not "wordly" after reading christs sermon? Jeez even st peter should feel conviction after that! Hallelujah christ!)

" You have your opinion But I just hope that someone you know doesn't fall away from Christ because you told them it was ok to use cannabis."  

(i have given facts and refrences in place of oppinion. I claim no instruction or responsibility for anyones actions or decisions. That is personal mater. There is no excuse for people neglecting to make proper decisions PERIOD. it aint satans fault, it aint marijuanas fault, it aint gamblings fault, it aint no one elses fault but yours (they'res)  If any one is looking for a bailout they should have accepted christ from the get go. Then they would have their prioritys straight. And that is seeking christ and his teachings, and telling others. Loving thy neighbor AS THY SELF. To get "caught"  (something thats not a sin) and say it was something or someone elses fault is yet another lie. Lies are made all the time by everyone. Thats how sin works.)

 (If a person makes wrong decisions, its their OWN fault, regardless of what the subject mater is. Especialy if its a repeated voluntary proccess. Thats called self infliction. Need i explain more? Maybe we'll see lol) 

(And someone that i dont know happens to be alot of people. The people i know accept christ and you sin as much as them.)

( People "fall away" from christ and his church for anything. In fact the top 3 reasons why, are some of the things that i pointed out. Check it out; 

 http://www.intothyword.org/apps/articles/default.a...

(At #4 on that list is the unability to cope with sin. It hasnt been proven cannabis is sin. Let me remind you that the number one reason why people give up "christ or his church is conflict and gossip. I say this as not a in your face but as something to think about.)

" Don't say it doesn't happen, because the Christians I knew that started using cannabis turned away from Him and didn't give glory to God."

( Started? So we have gone from getting caught to "started". Sounds like something that somebody says when they start a diet program or something. But thats an interesting perspective. So you insist its better to excersise then start a diet..... )

(Yeah if you look around ya justin there are non drug using christians around ya that do far more crazy stupid stuff than the weed smoking ones that "just sit around worried about smoking", and eating cheetos)

( Like Those few money mongering televangilst of the past, crazy acults, doctrine wacky etc etc loons that end up wacking someone how or some way or get other p


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michellesbusta 5 years ago from rhode island

doesnt anybody realize this is exactly what satan wants to cause divisions with God's people? nobody seems to be mentioning the fact that sin was paid for on the cross, you guys know the passage, "it is finished" cmon and also that when we face judgement we will be judged according to our deeds, not sin, wow, thats the problem people be harping on the sin factor too much, thank God his son the lord jesus christ payed the price for them, does that mean sin it up, no however if it comes down that smoking weed was a no no after all its been dealt with. stop being so damn legalistic people you take the free right out of christianity..........


meanpeace 5 years ago

( Like Those few money mongering televangilst of the past, crazy acults, doctrine wacky etc etc loons that end up wacking someone how or some way or get other people to kill thereselves or sacrifice theier efforts time and money, emebzling, condeming and you name it.)

 (What about those that apear to "give glory to God" but are hypocrits like christ pointed out about the scribes etc? What about the people that proffess christ but contridict christ by doing the things he taught against (wich that have been pointed out.) Theyre not ignored?)

(Or  we could say thats due to a product of legalisim. As a "user" you have to isolate your self. After all your "breaking law", so naturaly every thing else becomes altered. How you live, where you go, who you "do it" with etc. Its a changes events and theyre outcome. Once again, in a free and just society its no different than coffee. And statisticly speaking cannabis is no different than the people that break away because of bieng  promiscuous or anyother human desire.  In fact statisticly the amount off people falling away are low regarding drugs compared to the people that break away because of intolerence with hypocricy. Know what that means? People see the hyporiticical judgement and practices within christians or a church. So if you want to a bigger or more signifigant cause, theres a biggin)

" It all starts from Christians who say to others,"It's ok to do weed."

(what all starts? Talk about twisting lol Are you talking about Drugs? Nope it all starts with caffeine. When was your first swig of caffeine justin? )

(Talking about Sinning; Nope it all starts with human desires hate,ego,pride,lust etc etc.) 


meanpeace 5 years ago

michellesbusta;

Yep Christ paid the price. Christ was the perfect and the last physical sacrifice. It is comforting in knowing that i dont have to be perffect.  it is troubling knowing that i will never be. Glory be to christ, as my ego probably couldnt handle bieng perfect anyways. Be born ye again, daily.


Justin 5 years ago

Can you witness to someone high?


meanpeace 5 years ago

Yes. 

When ya gonna answer mine by the way? 

I Already answered that before justin. You know that. Are you trying to avoid..... yourself? 

After all, its you, who needs to be held accountable if you believe your a prophet or a pure appostle or  whatever it is that think you that allows you to be the one who dictates whos genuinely able to be christian or "witness" or like whatever n stuff .

Christian? Yep so are we. 

Are you prepared to go there son? Are you saying you are more pure than a christian who has  smoke vapor effects within there human body? 

Your human desire consuming body brings forth proper witnessing? 

Can you "witness" to someone while bieng consumed with SIN your self justin? You can? Why is that?  

But your sin is different than, someones doing something thats um at best maybe "wrong" right? Do you realize what i just said? Do you see any signifigance in being contridictory to christs teachings???  Do you realize by saying your christian walk, or witnessing is official and ANYone elses isnt. You are taking on a role justin, you are saying your of purity and even worse, GODS authority to decide. God decides who is "witnessing" officially, and who is not. Not you or anyother human being. Period

You need not to insist your pure to me or or your fellow man. Yet thats what you do. If its not your intention then owell, its whats going down. God knows your not pure.  God knows your human desires are just as prevalent as any weed smoking persons.

How is it that your "allowed" or "pardoned" from smoking of Pride, greed, envy, anger, lust, sloth, and gluttony? You smoke just as much of that crap as anyother smoke inhailer does smoke. Do you not realize what im telling you? You Consume just as much SIN as a herb consumer inhales. Did christs words not resonate? Sermon on the mt remember? You still think your better than your weed smoking brethren? Did you not hear christs words? By bieng contridictory you are not luke warm like some weed smoker is, you are scalding. Examine christs words and see if what i just said is not true. What would christ do? Christ would make you accountable before, YOU even attempt to hold others accountable. 

Grrr you say. meanpeace now your saying what, so would christ smoke weed? What im saying is ya cant go around pointing the finger or saying nope God doesnt like that, when you are not without sin your self. That is contridictory. It doesnt please God. ( proof of that has been provided by the way ). 

Or do you have to wait till the effects from those 7 deadly sins wear off before you witness? And how long does that take?  Have a 15 min le way? Say a prayer and poof your sin is gone now you can witness? Is that what weed smokers should do? Or are you still in sin until you confess? Untill you repent? Untill you change your ways? Good luck there. Only christ is perfect, so theres the bar hieghth there justin. So in a sense it will all happen again. You Sin daily!  Gee kinda sounds like a habit?? That sin Sounds addicting Seriously, do you think you can partake in wordly thoughts ( anger,lust, judgement, ego, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc one minute and then the next minute "witness" to someone? Do you really think  all that neggative, and GOD forbidden thoughts and or behaivior, will just disapear because your ..... Special? Because your different than your other christian brethren?  Because God understands that justin gets angry and lusts after wordly thoughts and emotions. But justin is special. He has a cause . It the weed smokers that arent specialy forgiven. Sure the weed smokers arent actualy sinning when they "smoke" like justin is. But none the less God understands and forgives justin right before he goes to witness to someone. That way justin is pure. 

The weed smokers have to wait till the "hi" wears off or until they quit right. Sure the neggative thoughts of ego, lust, judgement etc will never wear off, but its ok. Justins cause and effect is far better than any weed smokers testamony or witnessing. Justins complete voluntary and self produced and uneccessary hypocritical thoughts and actions that christ spoke against, are pardoned in the name of christ. 

lol at the irony there eh? Read what i say 3 times, pray then go look in the mirror bub.

 All weed smokers hail to justin. Hes onto something here.

Thats not what your saying right. Im twisting words right.

Youre aware that your sinful by nature. Youre aware that you will never be perfect. Youre aware that nobody else is either. Its just that you believe marijuna is wrong. And "it doesnt bring glory to God" right.

Well son niether does sin. 

The advantage there is a weed smoker can "quit" anytime they want to. Can you quit sining? 


Justin 5 years ago

No actually theres a difference. Sin is sin. Correct. But I don't accept sin like you do. You accept bringing shame to God if you witness to someone high, that's your problem. Who takes someone seriously if they are high? Thats sad. I will pray for you. For the last time, I am no greater than you, I don't think that. This isn't a debate about me buddy this is a debate about weed, so let's keep it that way. I don't think I'm better than you. Seriously, I think you have no arguement so you're bringing something up thats totally different . Sin is sin for the last time, but this is about marijuana.


BJWhite 5 years ago

KJV-Bible "Distinctly state"--Matthew--"Jesus came to the world; not to CONDEMN THE WORLD, BUT THAT THROUGH HIM THE WORLD MIGHT BE SAVED". HE DIDN'T JUDGE THE PEOPLE OF ADDICTION--BUT CAME TO SET THEM FREE --ONLY THROUGH THE BAPTISM--YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN.


meanpeace 5 years ago

" But I don't accept sin like you do"

Yeah, im sure king david heard that one before as well. 

The author claims it effects salvation. This implys that using marijuana is sinful. 

What effects salvation? Sin and christ. Christians accept christ So whats left... Yep.... SIN

Talking about sin is in context justin, why would you say its not? Trying to persuade the origin of condemnation of your brethren wich is of you, away from......you again? Why do you say that im talking about something different. If something is different than sin, that makes it not sinful. Thanks for finaly admitting to that :-D

It doesnt mater if sin is accepted or not it is still there and used by us all. What is your motive in stating that i accept sin? We all do. You sin everday dude. Therefore you accept it. 

Quit avoiding answering of questions, quit avoiding having to provide tangible input (facts) quit destracting, quit saying its not about YOU. Because it is 

YOU that says marijuana is wrong. So YOU better prove it. Remember the millions of people your are charging as sinners? Remember the millions of christians whom you say are not christians?  It would be best to be providing some substence to your arguments other than your opinion. Or im telling daddy

While your at it quit sining too :-D Your input of drama, emotion, assumptions and accusations is getting rather unfruitful.

Who takes ANYONE seriously if they are hypocritical? Im bieng transparent. Im not going to say im closer to God than anyone else nor am i gonna say that im doing it properly and others arent. That is what you are saying, am i wrong? 

Or are you just gonna go with your "witnessing" while high, there?

Ok weed smokers,  no witnessing while your high. You have to wait till it wears off. Like the other regular non weed smoking christian sinners who wait till their sins wear off. Must be nice to have special pardon unlike us other christians.

"Who takes someone seriously if they are high"

Yeah they didnt take steve jobs "the weed smoker" seriously. Who proved who wrong there.

"Thats sad. I will pray for you."

Why would you not pray for me?

You are speaking about something you know nothing about. Marijuana. Everything that you claim to have known has been proven to be false. So how can anyone take you seriously :-D

Thats a little egotistical and some other stuff like oh my gosh there goes your testamonys. We could say that You lie so whos to say your testamony isnt a lie..... It is the christ embodiment that makes "wittnessing" or "testamony" valid. Its not the mental or physical condition. This is evidentry.

You assume some sort of a higher role in judgement ,  and in seperation than your brethren. Yet you say your not any better. Fibbing now are we? 

In christ, is in center. Of God is in center. We all cant be in center if you say others shouldnt be in center. Do you know what i mean vern?

 If you dont reply with some substence im no longer responding to your jiberish any longer.  Your aim is valid. Your points are dull and broken and you keep sticking your self with them to boot. Put some tips on them arrows n we will talk.


Justin 5 years ago

I have not said they are not christians. But out of millions who use marijuana, nearly all of them are unsaved and you choose to partake in what they enjoy. How can anyone take me seriously? My friends take marijuana and they claim they are christians, when their fruit shows nothing. This is not jiberish.

Fine meanpeace, do what you want. Do what you think Christ is telling you to do. I think you are completely wrong but it's not up to me. I feel sorry for you since you choose to put yourself in a position where you are a stumbling block but whatever. It's not my opinion, it's what the bible says. Be in the world not of the world. But you seem pretty close to your opinion. This debate is pointless if you are only going to look at one side.


Adrian"marryjane"blood 5 years ago

1 Timothy 4:4 "4 Since everything God created is good, we should not reject any of it but receive it with thanks." God tells us in the bible to give a glass of wine to the saddened man to make the heart merry. Wine, although grapes were made by God, is a man made substance, which can technically be considered a "drug". So by drinking wine to make the heart merry you are using a "drug" to change the way you feel, which God obviously has no problem with, as long as it is used within moderation. I believe this is the answer to whether or not God has a problem with the use of Marijuana, moderation is the key. God gave this herb to us, knowing its effects, for a reason, to make the heart merry, and for any medical use that it may aid in. To completely reject anything God gave us is clearly against his word. Once you are to the point that you are either too drunk or too "high" to function and think normally is where it becomes a sin. Marijuana has only been illegal for 1% of the time it's been used, and not until it was illegal did people start forming negative opinions towards it. The government has brainwashed people so far to the point that even Christians will outwardly slander a God given gift.


meanpeace 5 years ago

Observe the conditions and applications from the result of social reform.

Look up the definition of social reform.

 Apply this effect with the classification of the said subject. 

As mentioned before and as should be prescribed by common sense: if something is illegal it will effect the live style and conditions to all whom obtain said illegal subject. If john has to get something thats illegal from someone who deals with illegal subjects, ultimately his lifestyle will have to addapt in order to avoid legal and social reprocussons. Therefore personality and associations become altered as well. Unless we are talking about something thats legal, the legality will always be the dominating persuading factor in every avenue. Commercial, personal, social etc etc. 

 Its important here to realize that ofcourse we are speaking in stereotypical terms here. We are all different, likewise things effect people differently according to values, charictor etc etc. If a persons charictor was not strong enough to pursue christ head first to start with, it sure as heck aint gonna get any better no mater what they decide to put in theyre body.

As stated before its social acceptence is a result of legality. An overwhelming sign of this is 50 percent of americans support its use. Despite current legal classification. Whats the signifigance there. There is overwhelming positive attributes to this illegal subject. Otherwise it would be shunned by everyone like heroin. 


meanpeace 5 years ago

Well said Adrian. Thank goodnes Gods not an "indian giver". It used to be that cannabis was an everyday common thing like coffee is now. This gift was embraced and used widely. 

Man has tried to tyrantly remove it and nearly all our other God given rights. And will continue to do so. Why is it that spiritual people do not recongnize how "satan" is using man for propaganda, tyranny and removing of our God given rights. People are quik to say "the end is near". Ok lets review history then shall we.

There used to be only1 law. Do no harm.

This is self explanitory. No damage,fraud,abuse etc etc.

Now its all corrupt political driven statutes and codes that have deviated from Gods law. Gee in Christs day cannabis was accepted by everyone. Now its not. Yet, they say the end is near. Umm hello, how many more signs are needed to reveal that the politics of man are not in Gods favor. To ignore that is no different than lying in my eye.

On a lighter note

Of the world is sin. Everyone sins

Not of the world physicaly is isolation. We all cant be celebate monks. 

Not of the world spiritualy is having christ as savior.

Woe to those who stumble over truth. 

Gods side is one sided. Its been covered what God says about herbs. 


Justin 5 years ago

Adrian- Moderation is a lie. Why not do everything in moderation? Like cussing, or sex, or anything sinful. It is just in moderation. Doing things in moderation is not different from the world.

meanpeace- Not of the world physically is not even remotely speaking of isolation. Obviously you don't know what Im talking about. Well living the life of a Christian is following Christ. We are to be holy and Christ-like. A peculiar people as a matter of face. Doing whatever you want with your physical body is Christ-like. You also have to look different and act different, so using marijuana shouldn't even be in the question. If you have a problem with that, just read the bible like you say you do.


meanpeace 5 years ago

Each and everyone of us pursues God in moderation. Each and everyone of us is a christian in moderation. This conflicts with your point. The fact that your unable to not sin, the fact that you have not given away all your possesions testifies to that. Such bieng the case how can you not hypocriticaly say you do not agree with moderation. You do not abandon your material life and give everything to God. You do not go beyond what is expected by your piers. None of us do. Lets look at what christ said to someone who thought they were doing everything God wants;

From the book of mathew;

The Rich Young Man 

    16  And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17  And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18  He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19  Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 20  The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 21  Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. 22  But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. 

    23  Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 24  And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 25  When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? 26  But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible. 27  Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? 28  And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29  And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. 30  But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first. 

Theres many many lessons there!

Once again its not what you have. Its what your willing to let go of. Can you let go of your self? Your sins. No? why not? Then so you live in moderation. Claim otherwise? See christs words.


Justin 5 years ago

Dont tell me that story. I know Christ's words but that has nothing to do with moderation. No I am not a Christian in moderation. I don't know about you but I don't live half for God. Living fully for God doesn't means you give your all to Him. Because we sin everyday doesn't mean that we accept it. You are talking to yourself here. Give up marijuana and follow Christ to the fullest.


meanpeace 5 years ago

0boy, well heres some words on that for those with ears or an eye.

Christ gave away all his possesions. Do we? Christs didnt sin, do we? Christ was umungest "lowifes" are all christians? We could go on for ever. You can say we aim to be christ like, however our actions or even perception of other peoples souls in christ clearly demonstrates otherwise. If you are not 100 percent sure that you absolutely are christ like in everything that you do, you are degrading the persona of Christ. 

Namely, we name the same name as christ. As for charictor we can all point at aspects. When someone does point to a statement that christ made, especialy when dealing with subject mater, it should not be taken lightly. It should be taken in consideration 1st.

 Clearly your concerned about the direction of your brethren. We all should be. However if you were concerned as much as the ego would alow, you would be equaly concerned about the "lost souls" reception as well. You would hold  and guide your "misguided" brethren right to the door.  Letting them have your car, wallet or whatever they need. However what is it that we do? Yell out unclean, blasphmemus, depart from me, you are not like me, yada yada. It forms a nice little safe haven barrier for the "holy" hyocritical.  You want to be apart from the lowly as paul prescribes right? You want to shine.  Be holy as it were. 

 

Ok, look at what christ said. Look at what he did. How can anyone who is truly "holy" be apart from anyone. You cant. Because in the unholy person,  is the holy spirit. Look at how christ saved a whore about to be stoned to death by people who thought they were holy.

 To teach others of christ is one thing. To love you neighbor as yourself is another. The apostles struggled with this. As any bible scholar knows. Christ constantly taught people this. Yet it remained ignored even by the apostles. Perhaps its best to look at it like this. Within a bad person is a good thing. The holy spirit.

 As spiritual biengs we embrace the holy spirit. So to ignore the holy spirit in the bad person is Contridictory because in accepting the entire kingdom (collective souls) of God, you accept everything of God. 

This is where the term holy strikes me wrong. Its not that i dont agree with the overall God inspired concept. Its that it builds ego of the "holy". 

Why is it that the meek and humble will inherit the earth? Why would they be blessed for thier sacrifice of bieng meek spirited?

Is it because even in terible cituations they remain meek, therefore closer to love than a contrary judgemental,angry, hating spirit?

 Anyhow something to consider, words from our sponser. Jesus;

Mathew  ch22:

Verse    34  But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. 35  Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36  Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37  JESUS said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38  This is the first and great commandment. 39  And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40  On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. 

When a commandment from christ gets watered down or dismissed over anything let alone a feeling that is beyond proof of reason or judgemnent beyond jurisdiction. Then it maters not the outcome. Glory to God, will prevail.

For some its best to not go by someones description of how to be christ like. Its better to look at christ and his teachings WORDS and replicate.

Others need a spread sheet or check off list or a coloring book to go by. But i guarantee you, once they get to, give away all your possesions and  seek only the lord, or love thy neighbor as thy self. They will stop checking off. And concentrate on things they have already done. That is doing so in moderation. When you draw a line and say im not going to the next rung on the ladder. That is moderation. 

To be christ like envolves many things that we are not willing to give up or do. It is hypocritical to be christ like in some ways, yet ignore other ways and refuse to go that far.  Dare to claim you do not do a thing in moderation. 

And the fruit that the few christ like qualitys bare, will be infestesed with gnats from the unchrist like qualitys fruit. 

Would you speak up for a whore about to be stoned by people who were no more holy than she. Stoned by people carrying the same holy spirit as she. Christ did.

Would you speak up for a weed smoker in the same cituation. Not that deep? Seperating me from God in any shape or form is Gods duty, not anyone elses. So yes its deep.

You cant be holy on one hand and play with your tally wacker on the other. Anyone who claims their selves as bieng holy, id be weary of. Its far better to have someone else call you holy, than call your self holy. Kinda like getting straight A's in home school in my book. 


Justin 5 years ago

Yes, I would stick up for a weed smoker, it's not hard. But the prostitute was convicted of her sin. Why would I stick up for a weed smoker who chose to keep doing so? Thats pointless. Now if they were convicted to turn away then of course, but otherwise no. I won't stick up for a sinful nature. I'm not separating you from God so dont play the victim. I don't call myself holy, I strive to be holy. The first commandment says to love the Lord with all your mind. Pot smoking is not loving the Lord with all your mind. Again you are talking to yourself. A hating spirit? Not even close. I don't hate you. I don't judge you.


meanpeace 5 years ago

Loving the lord with all your mind? 

Ohhh k.

The mind doesnt love, the heart does. My heart loves the lord completely. The mind makes decisions. Ya know like the decision to play football, smoke weed, or watch tv or spank your monkey or anyother activity that removes time from "loving the lord". Something that EVERYONE does in some shape or form.   

Im a bit confused justin. You have said some contridictory things. For example you said;

"The first commandment says to love the Lord with all your mind. Pot smoking is not loving the Lord with all your mind"

But on your previous post you stated ;

 "I am not a Christian in moderation. I don't know about you but I don't live half for God."

Wonderfull! Im glad you have reached saint hood! Just kidding, but ya do give a 100 percent thats wonderfull.

Ok you dont live half for God. But then the very next thing you said is ;

"Living fully for God doesn't means you give your all to Him"

So, ya dont gove a 100 percent. Hmm wich is it??

Huh vern? That is tottaly hypocritical an contridictory. 

 Biblical reffrence  of Jesus speaking about that has been provided-pointed out.  Do you not have "conviction" to realize there is always more room in your capacity for pursuing of God? 

Anyone who is content with their current level of pursuit of God is at a stand still- stagnant.

If you do not go all out on anything, that is moderation. This is fact justin. 

  We are all christians in moderation. There is ALLWAYS more we could be doing in/for God. No mater WHO you are.

 To think otherwise is egotistical and naive to say the least. 

This is the mind set christ spoke of. Bieng content with your current spiritual capacity. He pointed out to someone who thought they were giving theyre all, that they were not. 

So wheres the justice in someone who does not give theyre all, pointing the finger at someone else who doesnt give their all. Hypocritical and naive are those thoughts as christ demonstrated.


Justin 5 years ago

"Living fully for God doesn't means you give your all to Him"

You're right, that statement was wrong. I didn't mean it like that. Living fully for God doesn't mean you have to sell all you have.


meanpeace 5 years ago

Ok, moving on ..  ya do know selling would be for profit. Even if you do give the money made from it to church, hypotheticly. 

Where do you see in the bible that it says you dont have to? And who told you that? Christ? A phrophet? I dont recall seeing that in the bible. And why would you tell jesus that, no you dont have to sell/give away all posessions? More or less that is what you would be doing.

That was the advise of christ our leader. Doesnt it make sense to follow a leader, especialy if someone is wanting to be like them? Giving away all possesions is what christ prescribed and did. He specificaly told that to someone who felt they were giving their all, in turn, exposing they are really not willing to give it their all. Dont worry bro I think we all fit that catagory. My point bieng if anyone is not capable of giving their all, how can they critisize anyone else who doesnt either. Thats just going on the basis of equality. And we have already covered the morality etc.

 So how is it that not going that far, isnt considered moderation. I hope you see my point. Or more importantly christs point.

More bread on the mater In terms of God and man:

Luke ch16  Verse14  

And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him. 15  And he (JESUS) said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. 

Christ is speaking about the hypocritical pharisees. How they relic themselves in bieng so called pure. However such is/was not the case. Do we know what a pharisees is? Do we see how this can be applied to people who think they are holy- above others, or give more.(present day pharisees) Do you see how we may think that were are pleasing God in one way. (strict obedience, judgemental insert what ever) Wich indeed may very well be the case. But in another way quite the opposite. By restricting how far we are willing to go for God, there is a divider being put up. And we inherently know we should not put dividers up between us and God. Is this wrong? Yes. Will it effect salvation? Gods will be done. Do we all do it? Yes. You cant say to someone stop what your doing, it wont get you to the finish line, when you are not willing to do what it takes to get to finish line. Then again that brings up the question of full obedience and salvation. Either way having christ as savior is surity for our debt.

 The pharisees thought they were holy. Everyone even regarded them as holy. That is until along comes christ. Christ sees their  lies,hypocrisy, and hearts.  Hallelujah what a savior!

Christ spoke of this very thing that millions of people do. Many pastors preach sermons on sin yet fail to preach on the unity of spirit, we are all sinners, they may

Mumble right before the invitation song. The sermons are designed to make people feel guilty and repent. Yet it most often causes the "holy" to stick there chest out and put their nose in the air. Oh, if only sermons were about hypocrisy umungst the so called "holy". Makes me imagine christ coming through the doors and down the pews and speaking the truth. Not to lift others up or to put others down. But to expose truth.

Whats this got to do with marijuana, it addresses the hypocrisy within those that charge people as sinners. 

 

This justifies marijuana use,like eating past the point of neccessity justifies gluttony. All of us do that. Were all in this together. Love thy niegbor wether they be a cannabis consumer or a hypocritical zealot. 

The question of sticking up for a weed smomer wasnt literal justin. But thank you for giving an answer. It was a point, that im afraid was missed. Its not about "sticking up". I was talking spiritual mater, regaurding spirit. Even if she was stoned, christ was savior. The stopping of her bieng physicaly stoned didnt effect her salvation. Christ did. What the other people thought of her isnt relevant to her "conviction".

However

What the other people thought of her is relevant to christs response. That woman should have been embraced not stoned. She should have been guided, helped and ministerd to. Guilt is inherent. She knew she sinned, For others to throw guilt at her is wrong and contridictory. And above all else she should have been loved as christ prescribes. What is more captavating there? The hypocrisy of the stone chuckers that was exposed by christ, or the conviction of a whore? Gods will be done. 

The point bieng, christ knows all. Christ knew her heart and the stone holders hearts. Who is the victor there? God. The lady didnt "win" the stone chuckers didnt "loose". The holy spirit was glorified. The vapor from marijuana brings no more glory to God than a second helping of food does.  

Brother justin, peace be to you and your spiritual journey.


Justin 5 years ago

"Where do you see in the bible that it says you dont have to? And who told you that? Christ? A phrophet? I dont recall seeing that in the bible. And why would you tell jesus that, no you dont have to sell/give away all posessions? More or less that is what you would be doing"

Well David, Moses, Jonah, Noah and other bible hero didn't exactly do that,and they will inherit the kingdom of God.

This was not only Christ's message. When did Christ speak only of hypocrisy. Christ is God, and God's message is not just about hypocrisy. The first commandment is Mark 12:30. This says to love the Lord with your mind and you say you can't. Well the bible says you should. Weed smoking doesn't do that. Now weed smoking isn't the one and only thing, many things take away from loving the Lord with all you mind but I'm throwing weed smoking in there.

"The vapor from marijuana brings no more glory to God than a second helping of food does."

That does not justify marijuana.


meanpeace 5 years ago

"Well David, Moses, Jonah, Noah and other bible hero didn't exactly do that,and they will inherit the kingdom of God."

As christians we all will. And thats presicely my point. Even tho we dont "go all the way" salvation prevails. God is the examiner of heart n soul, not man. Why do people pride themselves as a judge of Gods people on one hand yet sin just like the very people they judged against on the other hand. We shouldnt be so foolish. We all do it. Im not saying that i dont.

 If we presume a weed smoker isnt giving all, how is that different from anyone else who doesnt give theyre all. The point bieng theres a hypocritical charge, that is bieng made by people when they yell out so to speak sinner, unclean etc. 

"This was not only Christ's message. When did Christ speak only of hypocrisy. "

Your right. Christ our lord spoke of many things. Things that some people will grasp, while others wont have the capability or the will to. Faith in christ be our salvation. 

We may try to place rankings and classifications here on earth. But in terms of spirit. Spirit is spirit. There is no national champion or a second place third place etc etc. 

 All spirits are apart of God, having within them the holy spirit. This is why christ was passionate about the lowly,meek, poor etc. Of wich were full of sin just like the so called holy ones. 

We are CHRISTians.

 Christ is the head hauncho. Fact is, christ indeed spoke of hypocrisy and judgement. We are free to accept that and apply it, or deny it and not apply it. Choose as you may. 

"Christ is God, and God's message is not just about hypocrisy."

  We cannot Legitimately say the bible says not to consume cannabis without showing where the bible says not to. And trying to rationalize a point with something that can be compared to anyother sin that we all do, is leveling the playing field at best. It doesnt confirm anything.

  The buisness of affirming a neggitive is always a fun task eh?

Anyhoot, Yeah people do things. We know in Gods eye no bad thing is worse than the other. And its been proven that cannabis is good. Thats why over half of gods people accept its use. But this has already been proven. Using marijuana doesnt need to be justified. What needs to be justified is man condeming the use of a natural remedy designed by God. What needs to be justified is the false judgements and accusations against people who use marijuana. Justifying marijuana use would be like justifying coffee use. It isnt neccessary, its of personal descresion. We dont go around hating on java (speed) drinkers now do we?

"The first commandment is Mark 12:30. This says to love the Lord with your mind and you say you can't." 

The heart loves. The mind makes descisions. Again justin remember were talking spiritual mater here. I said i do love the lord with all my heart. And indeed i do. 

What you may be mistaking is that true "going all the way" is nearly impossible/practical for us all. By going all the way, ofcourse im speaking of giving away all your possessions etc etc. Truth is most of us would rather die in Gods name rather than give away everything in Gods name.

"Well the bible says you should."

Yep. You gonna give your car,house tv etc etc away? That is, If all you need is the lord = wich is equivilant to full love for the lord. Thereby having full faith. Not worring about food shelter etc etc.

Hey man, its not my words its the words of jesus christ!! Do you see my point? It is impossible for us to be perfect, except through the eyes of the lord, except through the supreme sacrifice, the blood of christ. 

"Weed smoking doesn't do that."

Do what? Love the lord with all...? Ofcourse not, niether does watching football or anyother activity. The only thing that attributes to loving the lord is loving the lord. ALL other things, are other things. 

Why then is one category of christian people any worse than another. Given that the love of the lord is the same, outside of the other things that incompass everyones time or life. The way to gain soul is to gain soul, not to cast away. Casting away is the biproduct of judgement. Take for example American Indian culture. Tribes had a chief. No vice pres no secretary etc etc. Chief heard everyones voice. All were to speak. Even children. Before a descision was made that would effect the tribe, ALL were heard.

Our society doesnt allow for this. Sure we content that it is so. But our political system is set up to honor "majority" wich hypocriticaly is Represented by a single person. Wtf? This leaves room for coruption greed you name it. As a spiritual family we should hear the voice of ALL. Point bieng, the legal status of marijuana is a result of one man voice, not ALL's voice. 

Sure we can remove anything that takes away time for the lord. But if anyone really REALLY truely did that in spirit of removing EVERY detourant, then they would HAVE to go all the way and give away all possesions as CHRIST spoke of and more importantly DID. That is not questionable. Christ has spoken.

"Now weed smoking isn't the one and only thing, many things take away from loving the Lord with all you mind but I'm throwing weed smoking in there."

Justin as long as you realize that even the most faithful fully obedient christian ( according to man, according to you )  that you may know of still battles sin and obsticles that keep them from full reliance on the lord, full loving of the lord as specified above. Then we have reached an agreement of some sort.

 If not, i aim not to "convert" your thinking or reason for your point. I only aim for you to love your weed smoking brethren, as you love thy self. 


5 years ago

Psalms 104:14 "He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man"

Genesis 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things


Justin 5 years ago

meanpeace-In the end it is your choice what you believe. Im not going to not talk to somebody if they are a pot smoker. Christ is Lord and that is the most important thing.


Swattleme 5 years ago

Idk about you but for me this isn't up for debate I'm gonna do what I want.I dont even consider it a real drug cause its not manmade. I somewhat believe in God but it doesn't matter cause nobody does what he says anyways.If people are gonna be a fake christians then whats the difference between that and not being one at all.I lost my faith in religion cause it just seems like its dividing instead of providing that level playing field that were all seen as the same in the creators eyes. Somewhere in the bible it says man cannot direct his own steps.Which is why I feel religion is just totally man made. Maybe God is some kind of enlightenment we'll reach in the far future. So I'll be chillin in my dorm room with my roommates smoking weed until I lose my mind and need it for medical reasons.This plant just grew here if God created such intelligent beings, would he not expect them to find it? Test it? You don't need a heavy artillery of machinery to smoke it. Why would we have been able to find it so easily? The natives didn't know what it was and they used it in ceremonies.That had nothing to do with God. Are they in the wrong because they didn't know? Or because they believed in Natural structures as deities?I really want an opinion cause I'm going crazy here,seriously.


meanpeace 5 years ago

Lets ponder those thoughts and what we know;

Religion is formation of earthly charictor-vessles to refine the spirit for the masses. Its a system for many people. I preffer a home cooked meal as apposed to Mc Donalds. But each his own

Spirituality is for individuals. That is, its an individual proccess. Regaurdless if we attend church or practice a religion, everyone refines their spirit in some shape or form. We remember things, do things. We take into account and adapt. Some of us refuse to adapt  so we ignore things, like atheism or any stuburn headed person involving any mater including my self. Somethings we do over and over even tho we know the outcome. Like sex, sure its wonderful while your doing it. Afterwards? Who cares eh? That is till the next urge comes. And we could go on for days with examples there.

The best perspective is to retain individual spirituality, while using everything around you as a learning expirience. Bread as the bible calls it. Food can nourish or sicken us depending on what is taken in right? Same applies with anything we touch taste smell smell do think or feel etc. People gather in groups (church/religous sects) hoping to remove bad bread so they have only good bread. 

Personaly i attend church regularly. In actuality it henders me in some ways, in others it helps me grow. I go because of my wife and kids. Go in a sense reffering to a particular church- denomination. I gain more knowledege on my personal studys. However the fellowship and worship with brethren does nurture me in ways that comphensate, for me personaly. Were all different ofcourse. We should not be afraid to grow. That can be either in the form of change =  or adding something + or removing something - . Water becomes stagnant with no motion ya dig? 

In the end the result is the same. God, and "his" will be done

 Yes indeed, ironicaly churches deal with their own wheat and ingredient infestations so to speak while they try to bake bread for the masses , while the non church goers just battle bad loafs. No one is pure. So naturaly no mater how you do the math, the outcome isnt going to be pure. A church full of sinners is the same as a street full. The difference bieng the bread bieng taken in and christ salvation. That is in terms of individual spirit. 

 If you go to church or practice a religion that should not be the foundation of your spirit. No one should base their spiritual progression or capacity, on what other people say. Church should not be the glue that holds our spiritual body together. It is merely a popsicle stick to help spread the glue onto things/people etc.  

Its important to always keep in mind that only christ is perfect. All other fall short. Lesson there is yes there is hypocrisy lies etc etc within the spiritual "community". After all no one is perfect. We are not to give up, even tho we know we will never be perfect. As children when we learn to walk we fall, n get right back up. We wash our cars only to get dirty again the next day or two. There will be pain, and dirt always in this earthly exsistence. We deal with it as best as we learn how. Each of us have different methods and thoughts on how to deal with such. The bottom line is it must be delt with and we must adapt. 

Christ is center. Christ is the perfect harmonization with God. Within every person is christ. Christ the living "man" is "dead". This we all know. Yet within our center is the center (christ) wich is the center of God. You do not have to "get to" the center by going to church, obeying other peoples will, or practing a relgion. You "get to" the center by going there. 

Never base your spiritual progression on the perception of how things are around you. Remain steady and true to its course. Learn and adapt. There is hypocrisy, lies, and deception all around you. However beneath those dark and charred lumps of coal are beautiful diamonds. 

Dig through them, smash them up. Your gonna get dirty. You will see people walking around with many diamonds on, and they seem clean outwardly. Let me assure you they have inhailed alot of coal dust. Theyre inards are full of dark dust. They will boast they are clean outwardly, saying behold my beautiful diamonds. Fact is, if they really did all the work it took to earn those diamonds, they should be chocking on dust. Ironicly the diamonds are not for us. All that belongs to us is God. Keep digging till you find God.

Gods Peace to you


Anonymous 5 years ago

So, smoking weed is sorcery? Guess that makes me a badass motherfucker.


sam 5 years ago

to the guy who started this this little talk i would like to say im disturbed with your lack of knowledge of the bible and gods word plz do not get on the net talking about things you know nothing about sure we follow the law of the land intell the law is no longer going along with gods law and if you havnt looked around lately thats what is happening in todays world people are lost and idiots like you who try to throw god into your talk to make your point seem a little bigger really discust me the lord loves us all and we are all created in his image and he died on the cross to save us all and as long as we have accepted that fact we will be saved now those idiots that are like you and trying to stear people down a false path are doomed to burn in hell


JESUS FAVORITE EPERRY 5 years ago

WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS HOW CAN US REAL CHRISTAIN DEBATE ABOUT WEED LIKE REALLY YES GOD MADE THE PLANT BUT HE DIDN'T MAKE THE THC AND OTHER HARMFULLY THINGS THAT'S IN ITGOD WONTS US TO KEEP OUR BODY PURE AND BY PUTTING ALL THOSE BAD THINGS IN OUR BODY IS NOT THE WAY


JESUS FAVORITE EPERRY 5 years ago

WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS HOW CAN US REAL CHRISTAIN DEBATE ABOUT WEED LIKE REALLY YES GOD MADE THE PLANT BUT HE DIDN'T MAKE THE THC AND OTHER HARMFULLY THINGS THAT'S IN ITGOD WONTS US TO KEEP OUR BODY PURE AND BY PUTTING ALL THOSE BAD THINGS IN OUR BODY IS NOT THE WAY


meanpeace 5 years ago

"WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS HOW CAN US REAL CHRISTAIN DEBATE ABOUT WEED"

What do you mean by real? 

debating hmm, im exposing truth. Youre perception of "weed" is a product of the governments classification of "weed". Need proof, okay.

Once "gay marriage" is legalized will you agree with the "law"? As a "citizen" you must support it. Catch my drift? 

Stand and whatch classifications or laws change. It used to be against the law for women to vote, and im sure you catch my drift there too?

Dare you to prove the things that i have said wrong? Have at it! Fact is you cant. So this its not a debate. We have one side "marijuana" exposing facts, reffrences and logic.

 The other side "the holy and pure, Gods chosen judges yada yada" is exposing assumptions, emotion, and hypocritical practice. 

  Thus far cannabis has been proven to beneficial. What has been proven for it to be against God? Nothing. The only rebutal for people such as your self is like the following; Saying that it doesnt please God, doesnt glorify God, its sinnful, yada yada. But providing proof of claim is a different story. Im wrong? Ok show me.

Its a very simple task. Look through your bible and show me. Put your money where yo mouth is. Fact is your bankrupt, and you could use a tic tac.

Funny how there is lack of evidence for this claim bieng made against marijuana consuming brethren. No evidence, just emotion and assumptions. Go ahead find the same ole bible versus that have been clarified and and addressed already. 

Its just come to "weed supporters" having to defend an unjustified offense made by people with the mindset of marijuana such as your self. Yes indeed the accusations are unjustified. The explanation of why that is has been layed out before you. Have you failed to read/comprehend the above statements (everything on this web page) ? Didnt read them all? Ya might want to. Come 

back then we will talk. If youre tooooo  lazy to read/comprehend every response then whats to say your not toooo lazy to apply or seek truth even if/when you do realize it. Your content with settling with your prexsisting thoughts and judgements.  Wich having a closed mind is no way to pursue a spiritual path anyways. If you want your relationship with Christ to be a physical one, your prolly gonna end up waiting awhile. Fact is relationship with Christ is spiritual mater, not physical. Do you see him physicaly? No. Do you see anyones spirit physicaly? No. So how can you say what effects something that you cannot see? And absolute pure is something that you cannot see. Its intangible. Its a "concept" not a physical thing. 

Thats why your prehistoric or kindergarden like view of the PHYSICAL body bieng a holy or pure temple is old testament practice. Scary stuff actually. But hey if you want 9 wives and sacrifice first born or whatever go ahead. 

As modern (new testament) christians why emphasise the spirit body. 

Seriously man, if you can realize that God's perception and capability is far beyond our comprension let alone creativity.  Then We are in no way capable of thinking like or equivillant to God. But just to get even a step closer to thinking like him your going to have to accept some things. Wether the topic of this page is ever truly evident to you is irrlevant. Point bieng your mind is gonna have to change (proccess thought different) in order to even move a hair closer to the absolute absurd possibility of thinking like God the almighty and supreme. 

Thus proof that the spirit body is only capable of bieng pure, not the physical body. Need an example? We're made in the IMAGE of God.  Otherwise anyone could be the Christ.

"LIKE REALLY YES GOD MADE THE PLANT BUT HE DIDN'T MAKE THE THC AND OTHER HARMFULLY THINGS THAT'S IN IT"

Harmful? Obviosly you have not read the news lately. There are many many many benefits to using marijuana. Infact your statement that insinuates that its harmfull is a flat out lie. The OPPOSITE is the case. I will gladly provide you with verification to debunk every single harmfull assumption that you make or have. However it will save you time to just read everything above.

Ok, who made "the thc then"? Are you aware thc is produced by the plant, and its function is for the equivillant to our applicating sunblock? Are you aware the human body has receptors that are DESIGNED to recieve and use "THC"? Yes hundreds of them all over our body. That is why there is bieng done now as we speak, many scientific breakthoughs and discoveries with the proccessing of this thc and receptors. Odd isnt it? God made a plant with thc and humans with receptors designed JUST for thc. Now what say you? God messed up? Dont think so. 

"GOD WONTS US TO KEEP OUR BODY PURE AND BY PUTTING ALL THOSE BAD THINGS IN OUR BODY IS NOT THE WAY"

Ok, do you eat only what is neccessary to survive? Do you drink cafiene? Eat sweets? Use tobbaco? Masterbate? I could go on for ever. Are you obmitting those things? Christ is the way and anyone who partakes of the above or marijuana ALWAYS has the capacity within Christ to with God, no matter what judgement you assume upoun them. 

Heres a trivia question; What body houses a spirit? The SPIRIT body. A spiritual body is only not pure when its occupied with sinful nature. Marijuana use is not a sin. 

However your over indulgence of coke and ice cream is sinful. Yet you have the oddasity to point the finger at someone else for using an herb.

 Examine thy self before you examine others. You will find you are full of hypocrisy and sin. If not, your spiritual path hasnt even began yet . Your just looking at the ship wanting to get on board.


Christian k. (yes thats my real name) 5 years ago

Oh kay. So we are not supposed to do drugs. Well who classified weed as a drug. Well a goverment


RAS MICHAEL X 5 years ago

Redefinition of so called "Defiled" as stated. Anything that is non-organic consumed into the body is a defilement, including the air that most of us breath. Eating dead chemical calories from your local drive thru is defilement... who so a man judge anothers "defilement" when each and every one of us on this planet who consume GMO foods in some form or fashion, the air that we breath, the tap water we cook with and consume... Get over yourself. The bible is a personal book of B.asic I.nstructions B.efore L.eaving E.arth and if someone wants to "defile" themselves by using the fruit of a plant that sprout from a seed that yes OUR FATHER CREATED in his OWN IMAGE despite the fairytales that you may believe, you are a lost soldier. LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE. Our Father who art in heaven created LUCIFER ... PERIOD. HE IS EVER AND ALL KNOWING. Do you not think He created Lucifer to rebel after knowing our every move before we are even conceived? YOUR PAIN, YOUR SORROW, YOUR HAPPINESS, YOUR JOY, YOUR ESTABLISHMENT UNDERSTANDING OF WHO OUR FATHER REALLY IS AND THE GLORY OF ALL HIS CREATION....BUT THIS WORLD IS SO MUCH BIGGER THAN OUR OWN "OVERSTANDINGS" and nobody can deny the medicinal effects on those who suffer from Cancer, Severe Anxiety, Glaucoma..Try telling these people that this is a defilement, no, thier condition brought upon by the chemicals ingested into thier bodies over a lifetime cuased them to be defiled...going to doctors for man-made medication is a defilement...GODS LAWS OVER RIDE THE LAWS OF THIS LAND WHEN THINGS ARE DONE WITH COMMON SENSE AND SELF GOVERNANCE AS CHRIST COME TO TEACH US...Not to use the bible and twist it to call GODS OWN SEED and DEFILEMENT!!!!!! Looks like someone fell into the secular religious population control method of understandng as suppose to the spirit of Christ. STUDY FOR YOURSELF FOLKS!!!! RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION OF BEHALF OF US MEDICAL MARIJUANA PATIENTS IN WASHINGTON STATE. AND CHRIST STILL BLESSES ME....

IF you believe that you are free under this method of conntroll then truly, you are a slave to the system who hijacked true Christology, turned it into Christianity which is vanity in Christ name, a luciferian bait and switch if you ask me.... Church is on Sunday in Babylon.... The Sabbath is Saturday..... I can go on and on about western christianity...but if we do not get back to the spirit of excellence and CHRISTOLOGY...The Science of applying UNDCONDITIONAL LOVE.... Then yes, I bear to this false witness who uses Gods word and the re-written sequences of King James to control population into beleive one such lie as calling Cannibus a defilement. Its Gods Seed. Anything of seed is of my Father, my Creator and of me...its like calling human beings a defilement on this earth as for we are of the same sequence of Creation so eloquently discovered and defined in mathematics by Fibonacci. The sequence of life of all seeds....Our Creator....THE CREATOR OF OUR BIG BANG AND MANY OTHERS.


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jtjesuslover 5 years ago

I HAVE READ THROUGH MUCH OF THESE COMMENTS.... and here's what I want you all to know.

True Pot is a plant of the earth, given to us by God...

BUT

If we live in an area that specifically outlaws something, the bible calls us to follow the law, given to us by God, in order to witness as true Christians.

I know it's a very shaky subject, because it's "legal in some states" for "certain purposes". And some ppl argue "well, what if the law makes gay marriage legal".... well, if the law did that it would obviously and clearly go against the bible. I can't say whether it is wrong that people have made Pot illegal, but there are MANY people who do abuse it....

idk, what it comes down to is this: PRAY ON IT. Ask God and the Holy Spirit to talk to you AND through you, and be sure to PRAY WITHOUT CEASING and ALWAYS refer to the Holy Bible.

one last thing.. guys, in order to witness as true and loving Christians, we cannot condemn or say hurtful things or revile others with our speech. We are, according to the bible, to love and be accepting of ALL.. including those who even go directly against the bible. True we are to avoid those who are very deep in sin and refuse to ultimately repent, but that doesn't mean we should ostracize them and make them feel bad.

Once again.... idk..... all I know is the word of God and SOME of us here are not truly following in His holy word. I say that in the nicest way possible... let's all just take a step back and let God work through us.


macthusm 5 years ago

Didn't God create the tree's and the herbs and everything he created was good....Weed is only illegal because of groups like Pfizer...No you are not suppose to be high all day just like your suppose to be sober and vigilant...but didn't Jesus turn the water into wine?


Richard Greene 5 years ago

Titus 3:1 (NIV) says:

 1 Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever is good,

With it saying to be subject to rulers and authorities it is saying to follow the law. And in breaking the law, you are going against God's word, which is the pure definition of sin. The possession and use of marijuana is against the American law in most states, and requires a perscription in others. So, if you smoke weed in forbidding states, you're sinning, and of you're smoking weed in California, you're still sinning if you don't have a perscription. And my guess is that if you've gone as far as getting a perscription, then you're pretty dedicated to marijuana, and you won't be reading this thread.


meanpeace 5 years ago

 I must say RAS MICHAEL, we need indeed to truly study and apply christ.  Guess that ole saying "what would jesus do" was copywriten eh!? Its more of a church or "doctrine" thereof now days. Most sermons evolve around paul and his message, wich is missinterpreted to glorify the church. Paul this paul that.  Its about christ folks. Christ the God center NOT THE FLESH. Flesh is for humanity, wich is apart from God. He suffrerd for our sake remember? Flesh is for man. 

Ok let me rant again and please note i use the word "you" in a general sense not to address anyone in particular; We seen the passion of Christ, ok what about the love of Christ what about the words of Christ etc etc. Instead people hover over love of the CHURCH or IMAGE, Touting hey check me out im clean your not.  Wich is all secondary at best. 

We all know There IS something bigger and better. Spirit

My "wittness" is the fruit of my spirit. Not PHYSICAL fruit. To think otherwise is allowing "satan" to destract you so that you focous on the physical world. People often fail to realize physical world is not just material things either.

Its IS wrong that man made it illegal. Need proof? Did moses or or anyother phrophet or even christ, heck even the revered paul speak about it? Nope. Just one corrupt man, made cannabis illegal. Look it up. Look at the things he claimed. Look at what the facts tell us now. Pure corrupt motive. You can see it in the rascist language he used in describing who used it, as if that alone was a threat. He was no Godly man by no sense of the word. Marijuana can be used for many many things. This isnt good if you have a motive for monopizing industry. Commerce remember that word. So lets see, no mention by Godly man (all in the bible), versus a condemnation by an ungodly man (a single government official at that) . Hmmm wich one to consider. How much more proof do you people need for crying out loud. Ignoring that alone is grounds for bieng pert near mentaly handicaped! 

Anyways The concept is sure easy to grasp. Some may even go about darn nearly "perfect" from our stand point. Let us be reminded Christ is not physical as it were, within our reality (our sight, our touch etc etc). So any so called display of what Christ would do is secondary. Person to person Christ comparisson that is; Comparisson is secondary, on this earth, is just that, a comparrison, to the "real thing" Christ. The source "creditor". The spirit. 

 Ever had a goosebump over something you heard or seen? Ever had one over something you didnt see or dont hear? Precisely, this physical realm is just another realm. We get destracted everyone does with physical things. Wow that sure is a glorious thing over there or wow thats appauling isnt it. Dont do this, do that, go here stay away I like this or you shouldnt do that yada yada.

Yep taken in considertion. Now what? lol

On with other physical things? lol. Listen Folks christ is in spiritual realm, our father is in  spiritual realm. 

All of  this non sense in the physical realm is realy time consuming and to be honest is wasting time. Translation? Ok weather you see or not see Christ, even if you resemble or know someone who does resemble (fat chance but for the sake of argument) Christ, it is only secondary. It doesnt mater. The spiritual realm is where we intend to "dwell" is it not?  After all that is where christ is. 

Christ lived/ is living from the inside out. Why do you all say to live from the outside in? A physical body temple is outside. Even paul spoke of this.  A spirit body is inside.  Marijuana effects the spirit like a bowl of ice cream does. Translation It doesnt. All this crap around us is physical. Unless its something that inhibits spirit development your arguement is irrelevant. Marijuana DOES NOT inhibit spiritual development. On the contrary as demonstrated by supporters above, it helps. 

Another pray about it... Why would anyone assume that i diddnt? As a christian it is common practice to pray about everything. insinuating that marijuana is wrong, with that statement. I beg to differ. I dont need to pray about my use of an herb everytime someone says to. They are saying to out of theyre own vanity. 

On the contrary i already i have prayed about it, so are we to conclude you disagree with my authorization from GOD? Tuff luck. Ya might want to reconsider your authority position. (ego). You are not my intermediary between the relationship of God and I. 

God is my physician and his provisions are my prescription. Period. You can abide by mans prescriptions if you want. I am under NO OBLIGATION TO FOLLOW MANS. 

I am perfectly capable of retaining or pursuing my relationship with Christ DAILY. Unless a valid arguement, or even some proof cannabis is against  Gods will is produced?  (impossibe! he literely physicaly, directly and intentionaly made it!) And do you, doubt that he isnt all knowing? Enough said. 

So, There is no, yeah God made it BUT, there is no but. That is that. Who are you to BUT in on Gods will. God made it. No buts. He said it was good, no buts. Made after his own image no buts. Throwing in a but, That is twisting Gods word. But, but but, ya gonna say to God but? I dont think so. Well you are, think about it. I have my fathers permision to accept and USE his gifts to me. 

And regarding legality If i was to say yeah the bible (GOD) says not to kill, but its only meant to apply where its illegal for people to kill. What kinda message is that.  If you cannot distinguish between Gods law and mans law then you will likely never distinguish between Gods will and mans will. The law of the land is mans will. Its for mans conduction between other man COMMERCE. Our laws are for transactions with eachother. Our laws are not for spirit. A child can comprehend even that.

But but BS God has spoken that is that. Take your buts somewhere else. God has spoken.  And i see the proccess of social reform is still not evident to some people. Ok i feel sorry for all you damned seat belt LAW violators . Living in sin not wearing your seat belt. Yep its "law" that gets broke by holy and unholy people alike. Uphold the law its for our good? Yeah and whats the price of a seat belt violation 20 bucks. Ok using your logic If you knowingly drive with a burnt out tail light you have sinned. Gonna throw in some more but but buts now? Hopefully you see the point. Our " laws" as you know them are for commerce. Mans law is different from Gods law. Observe moses and his peoples occupation in Egypt. Observe Daniel and his following of Gods law thereby denying and BREAKING law of his "master" the king. If anyone really studies the bible like they should, you will know what im talking about.

Wanna talk Law? Do you know the difference in law, lawful, and legal?  How about statute or act?  Lol ok,  remember render unto ceaser what is ceasers? Render unto law what is laws. Money, revenue, commerce. The law of our land is for commerce. Its not even biblicly or spiritualy sound or based law. 

Shouldnt we be inclined to change that?  Nope just go with it. Atleast thats what your sayin more or less by conforming to outrages and corrupt laws like marijuana prohibition. How is it that you think laws go about getting changed? Dont question why everyones jumping just jump. I dont think so. Question everything, turn over everything, look for Gods approval. Dont see it? Begone with it. Thats our plan eh? The "law" as you know it is NOT NOT NOT Gods will or in Gods favor. Its MAN made and maintained. Maintained by crooks, and liars at that. We all know that! They know that! For petes sake they make smear campaign adds exposing eachothers lies. On the news its this party did that the other did that. So dare you say to support the works of crooks and liars? Wtf? Bad advise to give anyone. God is my supreme authority, all, i repeat ALL others are equal to me. Thus said the lord!  Law Is do no harm. Thats it. pretty simple law actually. 

Remember christ broke laws? Remember healing on sabbath :-D Is that justified? Does it conflict with your point? Why? Dont we aim to be christ like? Where did christ get "


meanpeace 5 years ago

authorization" to break law? Exactly the same place i get mine from. Begone with your vain comprehension of my personal God given rights and relationship thereof.

Statutes are a rule of society that is given FORCE of law. Marijuana classification- thus enfforcement is a STATUTE. Its not even citizen inACTed. You would know this if you were aware of how cannabis became "criminalized".  Corruption pure corruption. 

The marijuana "law" you are reffering to is a STATUTE. Its a rule of A society given the force of law. Why would a law need a force of law? Translation its not a law to begin with. Thats why statutes acts etc come and go.

What society are you a member of? Exactly, cant come up with a name can u. America? Us? Each person will have a different answer. So how is it that this soposed society that we are in has no name? Or a name that we all agree on. Sounds like a fraud to me.  A society is in agreement and has common goal. Do you honestly think government is doing Gods will? Abort any babys lately? Well its legal. Im not in agreement with marijuana prohibition. Therefore take your society and shove it. I can and will be a part of any society i want to. I was born here, you cant remove me. This is my home, given to me by my father GOD.  I look talk walk and act like most other men. I work pay taxes and have never even been arrested. I dont kill or steal etc etc. I do no harm to anyone. I violate no laws. PERIOD.

All of the ACTS as you call " LAW" are man made man driven motivated corrupted and profited bologna! Go by the dates. Go back to the year 1776 look at the view of individual sovereign rights that everyone had. Look at how few "laws" as you call them, there was at that time. Oh and marijuana was "legal" untill the mid 1900's.  Wasnt long after curroption followed our nations formation. Yeah lots of statutes. Technicaly if law was so "just", shouldnt it have iliminated corruption a long time ago? That is, if law is for mans benefit? Corruption;  Its never went away. Do you deny that it has? Translation is  the ammendments to this formed societys "law" are called statutes and are mans motive NOT GODS. Ironicly a bi product of something humorusly called an ACT. Go figure eh? :-D

Wanna talk more law? 

Anyways you cant and will not deprive me of right to have personal undictated relationship with GOD CHRIST or his provisions to me. That  is tyranny umung other things. I will not, not succumb to pursuasive and or factless assumptions that you say overide my authority from God. Even in the smallest form. I have prayed and will continue. 

 Im in Gods provision society (yeah huk huk just made it up) You can be in man made society if you want. But do not question my GOD given rights. The society  "law" of the sea or whatever the name is, you are in goes against Gods will OPENLY. Yet you retain that you should obey any rule that the society comes up with regardless of morale or Gods will or design. Hogwash. I will be obedient to GODS design not mans.

What, be peace loving and just follow orders? Okay, do you have that same thought proccess when someone messed up your drive thru order didnt realize till you got home, got a flat tire and speeding/seat belt ticket on the way, and a msg on the answering machine voice mail says your fired. And given this lovely state we are in, no other jobs are available, so you have no money. Do you seriously think the government is gonna help you? Especially if theres millions of others. Remember The hurricane that wiped out luisiana? Where was the government then? Thats just one sate. Emagine if it was on mass scale. Its all in Gods hands and plan. Government could care less for gods plan or his design.  Its a seperate entity. And you say to obey everything that spews from the mouth of liars and crooks? That same kind peace loving conformitive attitude that they have?  Aww whos hands would it all be in? Right christ! All boils down to you and christ. All other bs is bs. 

Need to pray lol Heck Why stop assuming there, i just might be a reptilian illuminati eh? Cut the bull. Marijuana is not wrong in any shape or form. There is zero validity in saying that it is. You need to pray about your stumbling over physical world distractions. That includes what YOU think that I should be/not be doing. So you can focous on your spirit. Its like a child opting out of playing the game dodgeball. If you dont play you dodged it pretty dang good didnt you. My point? Ponder it.

Primary is the force, the spirit of Christ God Alighty. Thats folks is the supreme above all above anything! SPIRIT

Now heres where our physical minds capture this concept of spirit as a "feeling". Its not a feeling, im sure it has a feeling tho eh? 

 So you would think in spirit of progress in any avenue, every aspect of Christ should be pursued,discovered applied. Its all about Jesus eh!? For instence the direct intervention "he" had for/with all man, if they be clean or as Christ pointed out, those that just think they are holy. Proof of this, is the concept that yes spirit world is different and  isnt affected DIRECTLY as we tend to imply that it does- Our laws or interpretation of how things are on earth. A sinner "saved" within in the very physical presence of christ", is no different than a person that is not in the physical presence. Another clue there folks. 

Now days Its all about pauls letters. Its all about glory holy glory. Power to the cause, power to the church yada yada. Hogwash i say. Its all irrelevant. Its not our glory folks. Its Gods glory. Drop pride its heavier than your self. Besides a spirit has no use for the arms or legs to carry anything with, let alone to be carring something it has no use for PRIDE. Christ always glorified/glorifies our father. We may think we glorify our father when we cast others asside, but the truth is "he" doesnt even do that. So why do we insist on doing so? But yeah he dont use weed either right? Really? Why did he make it then? For me to use. Case in point.

Our judgement of eachother is  Kinda self centered to say the least. Christ alone is perfection. Tell me you know where what when and how perfection is. Frankly its irrelevant. Because the spirit thereof, is out of our perception physicaly anways so its all secondary. Remember the main mission?

Cast stones all ya want.  Bring on the clowns and the smoke n mirrors all ya want to. All of us aint gonna fall for it. God bless those that do.


Fellow sister 4 years ago

I have read the postings above and found them to be as unique as the person writing them. On such sensitive issues I do my best to not judge the person writing but seek to see what my view is and why. I am interested in growing and know that I do not know all there is to know. I know that many times in my life God has shared with me points that has changed a complete picture. Picture a puzzle of a family with excited faces in a hot air balloon. Now picture there is a piece missing and when that piece is put in place you see a hole in the balloon. Suddenly, you see their faces of excitement in a whole different way. One missing piece can change a picture completely. Not saying any of you are wrong but just that you all sound so certain and very opinionated on a subject where there is no concrete evidence on what you believe. Maybe it's a feeling or an interpreted scripture. Without seeking God's confirmation and knowing it in your hearts as being something by saying it brings God glory. In this stage of growing I choose to be open to God correcting my views and not so much for me to stand in confidence. There are a few major points I believe He would like for us to stand confident in and other directions to practice faith and stand firm in the unknowing, expecting for Him to reveal in His time. I am not perfect and I am learning that "most" of the times I felt I needed to be right it wasn't from God. A wise man once said to me "Sometimes, you can be so right, you are dead wrong".


meanpeace 4 years ago

Lets review some things ; If we all sat down and made of list of the things that we absolutely "need". We all would have different "requirements". God, Food, and water most likely will be the common denomination. 

Any possible physical act, proccess or thing beyond God, food or water or proccess thereof would then be considered excess. Gluttony, self indulgence, etc etc. However is doing so sinful?  Is it sin? Does it inhibit spiritual growth? Does it vary from person to person as well? What is spiritual growth? 

Growth is not just limited to getting bigger. Growth can be in the form of merely having an "IN and "out" simultainusly. Giving or taking or what ever. Point being theres two sides God/christ and antichrist/Evil are working perfectly as planned (foreknown). Two sides come across like a coin. So we often focous on just the coin or the sides. Point bieng is if it was just sitting on a shelf it wouldnt have sides. Just one side. Its gonna take a lifting to expose the other side. Dare try to convince that some day soon the coin would flip its self over and expose its other side and its purpose as a coin with two sides that must work in tandem ( they do dont they? God and evil are in tandem) 

Once again observe the crazy and "evil" things David did. And many others of the bible. Yet they are revered and "holy". 

 What kind of God would just be in a world with just God? Kinda boring eh? Sure God can decorate with nature. But being a real God requires something much much more. Creating some "things" that are capable of recongnizing God would would be and is the start as we know it. God doesnt exsist without you. Ofcourse you in general sense. If we ( anything capable of recongnizing) all die and never communicate or seek with/of God. God would "die" (our standards). God would most likely be upset ( id be too) and cause more phenominon with man in order for realization to take effect. Hence neccessary "evil" etc. 

Now given the subject or better yet the context of this web pages statement. Is using an herb evil, sin, or sinful? If you dare to be bold and say yes. Okay, well then its all part of the preconcieved plan, that is Gods neccessary "evil". What are some of the things that God has done or allowed to have been done that are "against his will? Remember David having his whore killed so it wouldnt be known? Yet, David remains a saint? But im going to hell for using an herb? Do you see the point? Our standards are OUR standards. Not Gods. Our logic is corrupted and egotistical.

 Remember when God forgotten his promise to his people and was going to reek havoc, until he was remenidid by a prophet that he promised not to?  Observe that there are many conflictions within "purity" as we know it. Point being "pure"  or holy as we know it is just as that. As we know it. Gods will works differently than our own. So how is it that any man can boast they know what pure is? Given that God even isnt then pure in the sense of our worldly perception standards. Am i saying that God is not pure? Ofcourse not! Im saying its according to the standards you or I use. We shouldnt use mans standards to gauge that or salvation or any other spiritual matter. Its kinda like electrical codes. What is considered paramont and law varies from place to place thus person to person. However one thing we know is electricity will flow regardless.

Now hypotheticly speaking,  if all possible other physical world things and or distractions were removed from our hypothetical scenario, what then would be our number one destraction from God?  Our own self.? Our own personality? Our ego? Our inability to coexsist with eachother peacefully would be a product of ego, or attachment to ones own self.

Being Given complete isolation from any possible negative influence does not effect spirit desire. In the sense that we think it does atleast.( Spirit desire being the desire to pursue spiritual mater God, christ etc)

Look at adam and eve and the lesson there. Look at Gods people, and how many chances they are/were given. Look at how  bieng strict in obedience  , law, discipline etc in the old testament yet, still gave birth to "going astray". We could look at why God even decided to create anything, let alone "evil". Being omniscient, God knownly new a confliction would occour with/WITHIN  "purity". Yet it was done. Evil was "allowed" or "manifested" with pretense. Now sure we can ponder the nessecity of evil or purity. But life as we know it is the ballance within. Essentialy a ballance between God and us. We are seperate physical beings. The notion that this "distance" can be increased or decreased physicaly is preposterous and rather 2 dementional. And very comical i might add.

 Because the goal is spiritual isnt it? That is why we have people who dont recongnize God. They cant physicaly see. And likewise they havent developed spirit Either. You have to develop spirit also folks. First comes the basics like sight sound touch. Then comes recongnition and interaction etc. Spirit body develops like the physical body does. Like the proccess from a baby to an adult. 

Prophets develop their spirit enough so they can make transactions with other spirit. Most of us just struggle with our own spirit, let alone learning to deal with others. 

Im not talking about having seyonces or metaphysical mumbo jumbo. Anyone who has a heavenly father christ relationship knows what i mean.

What effects the spirit desire is......... spirit desire. Observe  When a lowly person "accepts" God, they realize its not about them. Its God. 

What about When a Godly person (from our point of view) reaccepts God ("back slide) "what is the case there? Its about God..........the most and complete righteous is  Christ God. That is something that never changes and is undisputed. Even if assumed by athists or other religion. Change the name to molecular power source or to buddah, it doesnt matter. The absolute and undisputed thing is there is something greater or another side wich exposes a twin sided purpose (think coin)

Clearly there are choices that lead to paths. However if the one true path wich is  CHRIST GOD, the one and supreme, is ever detoured from, then it maters not WHAT (physical) did it, the destracting from God. Its HOW  it happened. Point being its "self inflicted". Self caused. No one to blame but you. Often we blame things, acts, people, thoughts, satan etc. How come "how" is never examined? Always , always its the "what". The HOW is always YOU. 

Now, how is pointing the finger at anyother thing that is just some other thing (outside of God food water) any better? Point there is that EVERYONE falls into that catergory Except Christ! 

Do you opt to throw in an exception, maybe another messiah? Ofcourse not. So, bickering over this or that is not going to make the spirit grow.  Its all physical world mumbo jumbo. Just that 4th thing, remember God, food, and water? Numbering or schematics past there is for personal vanity. As Individual gatergorization of each possible thing,act, or scenario would vary from person to person. Gods will is pure yet ours fluctuates, rejects and pulls. Only to be pure when we "dwell" with God. Thus leaving only one possible scenario. GOD

Ofcourse speaking in terms of salvation. Hence removing all possible physical world scenarios attachment or things.

 Sit in a room with nothing but you. Stay there as long as you can. There you are with no distractions. What is the "hold up" between you and God? Anything physical? Your mental state of mind? Or is it the desire to seek? Pure uninterupted God desire should be our desire. 

And whom can claim that? None other than Christ the lord.


G blanch 4 years ago

Mandrakes Roots: (see below) It sure seems to me that the Bible is full of parables and stories to help us understand the fallacy of man and the awesome power of God...they trusted in drugs to do the work that God is meant to do. I want all power to come from Him.

Should we also listen to Lot's daughters and have incest with our family? In Genesis 19:32 they lay with Lot after getting him drunk and those children became Moabites and Ammonites...enemies of Israel...It seems that there are consequences to all evil acts throughout the Bible.

In Genesis 30:14, Reuben, the eldest son of Jacob and Leah finds mandrake in a field. Rachel, Jacob's infertile second wife and Leah's sister, is desirous of the mandrakes and barters with Leah for them. The trade offered by Rachel is for Leah to spend that night in Jacob's bed in exchange for Leah's ??????. Leah gives away the plant to her barren sister, but soon after this (Genesis 30:14-22), Leah, who had previously had four sons but had been infertile for a long while, became pregnant once more and in time gave birth to two more sons, Issachar and Zebulun, and a daughter, Dinah. Only years after this episode of her asking for the mandrakes did Rachel manage to get pregnant. The predominant traditional Jewish view is that mandrakes were an ancient folk remedy to help barren women conceive a child.


meanpeace 4 years ago

All power does come from , will come from and is from God. It is contradictory to say that something  is made by God on one hand but not of his will or power on the other. Plain and simple.

 God is supreme all knowing. Everything is preconceived. So, are we to say the power of God is only in the form of some light ray streaming down from heaven? No, Gods power is not limited to such, or anything. Gods power is unlimited. And can and is, in the form of many "things". His power could be in a tuna sandwich. 

Whom are we to say that its not even possible. God is God. The tuna could be spoiled to cause harm to a tyrant or enriched to nourish a God fearing servant. Are we to discern Gods methods?

If you don't want to accept Gods will or power in the form of a plant or herb. What makes you think your spiritual minds perception has the capacity to accept Gods will or power in anyother shape or form. You dare to train your thought to only accept what you deem acceptable? Why? Especially of form you cannot see!? Stand there and wait for that heavenly light ray to touch and heal you. While I partake of this herb, that which has within it, omniscient and perfect preconceived design and capacity to be of Gods will and power. God alone chooses his medium of his power or will. Not man. Happy sunbathing


meanpeace 4 years ago

Oh how mans view can become distorted by his minds eye. Man will cast his belief onto what he sees, or onto what he think he should see. Then in the same breath cast it elsewhere in another breath. Let us look at the words of Christ regarding this. 

Mathew chapter 11 verse 18 &19

    18  For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil. 19  The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children. 

What is Christs message here? Do you see the correlation with the beam thats in your eyes now?

We often think we know what "should be". And once we are shown otherwise we tend to dwell upoun what we think then that should be as well. Christ alone is what should be. Our souls focous is Christ. There isnt a man woman or child umung us who battles not with things of this earth. Not just with desire. But with neccessitys as well. However, somehow its not the battle that is in common, and that makes us all equal. Somehow its the perspective or justification thereof that some people feel their sin or strife is pardoned while other people are not. Not the case folks.

There is but one spottless. Theres is but one christ the lord. Hate and judge not your neighbor for using an herb. Because doing so is not scriptually sound. Nor is it adhered to the second commandment from our lord Christ; love thy neighbor as thy self. 

On a side note. Remember the passage ;  The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners?

See the word winebibber? Christ is personifying the exaggerated personification of mans ways. The way we assume things. For example. Soppose you see someone with a beer in hand. Whats your first thought? A drunk! Perhaps this is the only beer that person has ever had or will have. Or perhaps its a medicine for him. Or perhaps its not a stumble for this man at all. Yet for you it is. etc etc. 

 However the lets examine this. Christ said eating and drinking. Ofcourse he is speaking of his self. He ate and he drank. Taking those to extreme would be gloutony and drunkeness would they not? In order for something to be taken to the extreme there has to be a starting point. If i was to become a drunk i would have to drink atleast some. So, here can we presume that Christ drank wine. According to his words and deduction of grammer and context and point. Yes we could presume that. 

However my point is not if christ drank wine or not. Frankly its irrelevant to me. To you on the other hand it would be a different story. As you would more than likely have to change your prespective and judgements etc. that would mean all your assumptions and charges would have to be dropped against your wine drinking brethren. Not gonna hapen? Yeah it would have to be that you were wrong. And ego is to big for that eh? 

Anyways Point is that we tend to make false judgement according to what we see or think we should see. Christ centership is not the pursuit of having only pure before thine eyes. Its merely the pursuit of christ. Leaving only room for christ. Does this leave room for putting bad before thine eyes? No, when you only have room for christ. You only have room for christ. And my

Point to everyone with eyes or ears here is. None umungst us makes room  ONLY for christ. Christ is put into different rooms within each and every one of our physical bodys mansion. He may be in your foyer or you dining hall. Yet other things reside in you closets. 

Lets us hope and pray christ IS the mansion in all our spiritual bodys mansion. 


Irrelevant 4 years ago

Genesis 1:29 if the world was a gift why do we forsake it..? Mother nature helps our body because we were made from dirt.


Steven 4 years ago

I think marijuana shouldnt be judged for the simple fact god said he gave us every herb bearing seed why is it ok that you can take ten pain killers and die but its not ok to smoke a joint and feel better you would be wrong saying that God made man and everything on earth but man made alchohol I may just be a 16 year old kid but i still use cannabis because i am in pain everyday And god said judge a man not for what goes in his body but what comes out of it.


Steven 4 years ago

God said it himself were all sinners and know bodys perfect you shoulnt be called a criminal because you use an herb that happens to alter your mind but takes away a pain so hurtfull were all gunna sin its a part of life but it doesnt matter if you kill some one or medicate your sinning and god will forgive


meanpeace 4 years ago

I concur. Lets examine this Luke chp 7 verse 39 Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner. 40  And Jesus answering said unto him, Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And he saith, Master, say on. 41  There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty. 42  And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most? 43  Simon answered and said, I suppose that he, to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged. 

Here we have Christ pointing out that God loves (has reason to) sinners MORE than self proclaimed "saints". Yet, we have here people trying to claim the opposite. Im going by what Christ says, not some other man proclaiming to be closer to God, because he doesnt use marijuana. All the Meanwhile battling with sin every human endures. It is pure contridictory. And we know Christ spoke against hypocritical embodiement. 


Emily 4 years ago

Anything that alters your mind is bad.


meanpeace 4 years ago

Yeah like Greed,envy, lust, judgement,hate, and anger to name a few mind altering "things".


Spiritual lids 4 years ago

Conciousness is a State of being or knowing your surroundings. Lust, greed, gluttony ect...can alter a


Spiritual bliss 4 years ago

A person ability to think clearly. I know of many who do not drink, smoke or use drugs but have committed adultery, have stolen and some who have murdered even after declaring faith through being active members in the church community. Knowing the difference of consequence with action speaks louder than words. Whether your drunk off the Lord or high after smoking a spliff, you know what is right and wrong. Only The Giver of Deliverance will have that right to judge and no one else. I am not going to quote the bible because only those with a higher understanding of wisdom within its sanctity should do so. It should be only used as a tool for spiritual enlightenment and discussion.


Born Again Former Addict 4 years ago

I can tell you from experience, as a born again christian, SMOKING WEED is a manifestation of the FLESH.

It's something you do to escape reality. I have an anxiety disorder, and the first time I smoked weed, I had multiple panic attacks, so I smoked it in conjuction with alcohol, and then in low low doses. Weed brings on euphoria, it alters the mind. When I was anxious, and couldn't handle life, boredom, or emotions, I used Marijuana to escape, as someone would with alcohol, Let me repeat

MARIJUANA ALTERS THE MIND. Hence, it is NOT LEGAL. this is the main reason it is NOT LEGAL.

There are only a few substances that are LEGAL that ALTER the mind. Caffiene, Tobacco, and Alcohol.

Caffiene and Tobacco don't alter the mind sufficiently to cause impairment. Alcohol DOES, infact it was made ILLEGEAL in the united states VIA Prohibition but since so many people couldn't live without it, the prohibition was revoked.

I threw 5 years of my life away by becoming addicted to the escape of Marijuana. Along with Tobacco, and Alcohol, but Marijuana is what got me sucked back into the WIDE PATH OF DESTRUCTION.

When Adam and Eve were thrown out of the Garden of Eden, he said you will now have to till the soil. Nobody is exempt, everyone will have to sweat, and bleed, and suffer.

LIFE is going to have suffering! It says in scripture that one of the fruits of the holy spirit is LONG-SUFFERING.

I know of one professing christian who smokes pot, as I once did, and let me tell you, she's legally blind, cannot drive, and spends most of her time alone at home. in my opinion, she's far more deserving to smoke pot, and her stance is "ON THE FENCE" about smoking it. She might repent, she might not, I do not know this, but I do know that God will Judge her according to it.

By no means does she use the bible to JUSTIFY smoking Pot.

The bible NOWHERE Justifys smoking weed, just as it NOWHERE Justifys drinking alcohol.

Paul says to ABSTAIN FROM ALL APPEARENCES OF EVIL.

So far, Marijuana drug trafficing in Mexico is responsible for the death's of thousands of people. Do you consider this Holy?

Paul says ALL THINGS ARE LAWFUL, BUT NOT ALL ARE BENEFICIAL. I WILL NOT BE MASTERED BY ANYTHING!

Are you mastered by marijuana? If you cannot go without smoking it, you are mastered by it.

Why even give attention to something that will NOT matter when you die and go to heaven if saved? Do you think people will be smoking weed in heaven? I dont think so. Do you think people will be drinking alcoholic beverages in heaven? Nope!


meanpeace 4 years ago

By stating that it alters the mind, therefore its made illegal, are we to conclude "laws" are formed for the sake of our well bieng. We know they are not entirely. 

Laws are for our "protection" you presume. This is what Government "needs" you to believe in order to justify theyre actions. However we have obvious cases where infact Government has infinged upoun their "duty". Yet you maintain that its for our good that they do. Turn on the news. After a few minutes you will see. The law of God is infallable. Common law is infallable. Statutory law of man IS fallible. This is 100 percent true. Ask even a child.

Sure some laws appear to be protective to us. However majority fall under DO NO HARM wich is common law :-D . But many "laws" are not for our well bieng. Example abortion, its legal. Thats not for our well bieng is it now. Infact its the opposite, DEATH. Is a hungry man with a fishing pole in hand, a criminal because he is fishing without a license? I can go on and on. seriously...

How vain is the mind that understands not that the politics of man is NOT Gods politics. 

I have layed out before you the origin and the application of LAW and its predecessor statutory law. 

Statutes are a legislative RULE of society wich is given the FORCE of law. Its NOT LAW. Tell me whats the name of the society that youre in? Having trouble finding the exact name? It will varry from person to person. If you know not the name of a thing, all knowledge of that thing will perish. Another maxim law :-D  if i were to ask you whats your best friends name, and you were to say im not sure. What then am i to conclude?

Societys have a common agreement on issues within that society. Its evident here we 

dont have a common agreement. So the society and its rule is void. Statutory enforcement within that society is void to all who do not agree. And they have every right to remove them self from that society as well. Fact ; Bieng a society we must all agree in order for rules within that society to be valid. And majority rules representation and legislation contridicts and voids just that! Be ye not decieved. 

Force is force. 

The statutory enforcement is given the FORCE of law. It is forced upoun us. Look up statute in Blacks law dictionary. Feel free to look it up your self, Ask your self this. Why is it that everyday people use a websters dictionary, mean while lawyers,judges,legislators and politicians etc use law dictionary. They are different languages. One is used for common use , one is for legal use, better known as legalese. The language of "law" is based on redefenition of words. If you want to we can go further into examples or to as why would anyone want to redefine a word? If i was to redefine words in the bible to suit my agenda you would rightfully recongnize that the mere notion is agenda based. So why do you not recongnize the same scenario with legislation? With modern "law etc etc?


meanpeace 4 years ago

There is no "reason" let alone a main one, why its "illegal".

There doesnt need to be. Thats the "beauty" of legislation and governments role. All in favor, majority wins. Money talks by the way.  Welcome to the politics of man. Legislators, politicians, lawyers,judges, congressman alike DO NOT represent me nor will they ever. I will not belittle my representation into the hands of another man. That is the fallacy of statutory law. It does NOT represent everyones vote,beliefe,moral thoughts etc etc.   You NOR anyone else has the authority to hold me personaly accountable to the statutory mind set of the politics of man. Look up common law. It is the law that every human is bound by. Common law is LAW. All other is statutes, man made. Do no harm. That is the law. 

" caffeine and tobbacco dont alter enough to sufficiently to cause impairment" umm unfortunately you are wrong. Have you ever been around someone who drinks coffee daily (demonstration that its addictive)? Then also have you ever seen them in a situation where they are unable to get coffee or thier precious stogies? How do they act? How do they change? Try meditating on the lord while having nicotine cravings or bieng hyped up on cafiene. Ha ha yeah be still now, be still....And you have the oddasity to say that its not enough to alter the mind? 

Like there is a standard of measurement When it comes to impairment? Besides, its not how much it alters its that IT DOES. 

Theres no need in belittling anything to raise another here. We should all be honest. Anything and everything can and does alter the mind. We prove this to ourselves daily.

This escape that you speak of, is it like the escape of being painless for a few hours? Bieng able to sit or lay down for awhile without twitching? Is it like the escape of bieng able to sleep at night or more like the escape of gaining a few much needed pounds? Surely you speak not of abandoning reality? Like we all do when we watch ANY movie. Who would want to escape their responsibilitys? That is not a marijuana problem, its a mental problem. Handling your dutys are part of life.

 If you want to sit in a chair and become a vegitable BEFORE you "smoke marijuana" you sure as hell are going to AFTERWARDS. 

Point bieng, if thats your goal, its going to get accomplished no mater what the "tool" is. Look around you, theres people who do that who dont even consume anything that would be considered "mind altering". 


meanpeace 4 years ago

Is there some other escape you seeked? An escape that ONLY GOD CAN FILL. Welcome to the school of life. Only God can fill your escape. We all learn this even as christians.

We as humans go through trials and tribulations. Are your sopposed struggles with matijuana more valid than positive scientific, demographic and more importantly  God providence fact?

Your dramatic "dependence on marijuana" has transfered to something else im sure. It didnt suck you into "a path" YOU SUCKED IT AND USED IT AS A REASON TO ABANDON RESPONSIBILITY. 

The point im making is not that its not possible or valid. Its not even that not inevitable. We all as humans get "hooked" to something. That "hook" is in the form of anything. Literaly, physical and spiritualy.  But your "path to destruction" could happen with anything else. Even food. Turn on the tv. Ever heard of the biggest looser. Enough said. You dont see food bieng made illegal. Again you have no proof that marijuana is harmful. 

What the federal government cant proove it but you can? Thats right. I said they cant prove it. Thats the nerve of them. Funny thing is they dont have to prove what they say. Despite bieng proven otherwise by its own research and development, and marketing of a synthetic substitute. It still maintains that its bad for you. Why? So it can make $. But thats about to change.

Heres an Example: The point with tobbacco is not that it can "kill" you. ITS THAT ITS STILL LEGAL. If Government is looking out for us, like you presume, why is it still legal? Its says on the wraper it will kill you. Shows pictures. Yet government allows it to be sold marketed and consumed in mass amounts. WHY? This tottaly exposes the incompotence and corruption of government yet you maintain their sound judgement regarding marijuana. A point there is marijuana has proven benefits. Tobacco has NONE. Yet tobacco is legal. Once again the "law" is not valid or just.

Another fact is that the statutory enforcement of marijuana prohibition  is like a Cure that is worse than the desease its trying to cure. Forget the money made from legality. What about lives lost. While we are so blindly distracted with satans viel of deception, (worried about hypothetical souls lost to pot) peoples physical lives are bieng lost simply from it bieng illegal. Those are not hypothetical lost souls. Were talking dead bodies. No chance for salvation at all. Example drug deal shooting etc etc etc. How exactly can you witness to a DEAD body anyways. You cant. So in favor of doing the will of God. You could atleast work for peaceful means of coexsisting with these pesky pot heads, "legalization" or other means, other than poilice enforcement or exposure to danger in any circumstance thereof. And supporting current federal or state "law" as you put it, is not doing that.

Taking away Accountability is unbiblical any way you look at it. No mater what your excuse is. Just because you slipped on ice and busted your head doesnt mean that i cant put ice chips in my drinks. Ok sure it hurt John but john slipped, tryed again, slipped, and so on and so on. Its ALL Johns fault. Hes the one who walked out onto the frozen lake. Who is he to make lakes illegal because they have potential to freeze. And what is a frozen lake to those who have a use or right to use. How can anyone seriously not see the big picture?


meanpeace 4 years ago

The Providence of God is my unalienable right. And your personal expiriences are just that, personal expiriences. Given the seemingly valid "majority rules" with legislation, more people reporting positive personal expiriences with marijuana AUGHT to overide the lesser amount of neggative personal ones. One would think. But this world is not fair or just. 

And living without alcohol is possible sorry.  It was the violent crime that was associated with legality that made alcohol legal again. You know bloody bodies death guns murder etc etc. mexico cartel is a repeat of history. That is why prohibition does not work.. You see, wether you realize it or not placing something in an "illegal" catagory turns one market into an enforcement and another into a criminal. It twin streams of revenue. Highly profitable industry. Criminal involves guns death.....yep all that stuff. So how can you say that alcohol was made legal again because people couldnt live without it? I guess getting killed by the violence is what you mean! It was death and destruction. That far out weighed damage done from the consumption. Prohibition does not work. It didnt work with adam and eve, and it sure as hell aint gonna work with modern man.

We learned that in the first few pages in the bible. And if two people couldnt adhere to prohibition given from God himself, millions and millions of people arent going to listen to prohibition coming from man. Yet you insist on repeating the fallacy of prohibition?

Everyone will suffer.... Okay, do you take a tylenol when you get a headache? How about when your legs hurt so bad you can hardly walk? Pop a ibuprofren? Why, arent you sopposed to suffer? So you choose synthetic medicine over natural. Its doesnt bring you any closer to God using mans medicine than it does using Gods. So whats you point? I must endure bodily pain? I have other man made options? Be gone ye workers of iniquity. I choose Gods providence, HIS provisions. 

Long suffering, fruit of the spirit. Hmm do you see that word SPIRIT? Thats exactly right the spirit will suffer. Suffering is adhering to Gods plan, not MANS. Because we as humans want it "our way". Fruit of the spirit is doing Gods will. Every sinner is capable and more importantly DOES Gods will. 

Theres physical and then theres spiritual. Bieng christian is a spiritual mater. Anyone who has the capability to relieve physical body pain VIA A GOD CREATED AND BLESSED provision has the right to do so. Do you maintain that we should torture ourselves enduring pain?  Like you have a checklist of acceptable things someone is allowed to take. Where did you get that list? Uncle sam? Whom do you serve your uncle or the father? 

Oh i know, i know smoking weed aint serving the lord right, well niether are your DAILY SINS that you commit every day. Christ is our salvation. The will of the Father be done regardless.

Your blind christian friend who is on a fence smoking pot commit som of the sam sins you commit DAILY... Deserving? Who are you to say who deserves what? My father made it for me. You cannot come between that. I know our ego may be telling us other wise, but Gods children are intitled to his provisions. Period.

She might repent from what? Sin? Will you? You should daily, but i bet you sure as hell sin daily DONT YOU! No sweat, we all do!

Its Christ who redeems us.

The bible doesnt justify anything. It cant. Its a collection of text. What does the justifying is truth because in the end it endures. Justification only manifests in the end of a situation. Ponder that one. 

It "justifies" herbs and seed bearing plants. God himself said so. Sorry buddy i believe him over you or some corporation posing as a society. Are you suggesting that i am falsely using the bible to "justify" my words?

How so? Please be specific, and i shall address it.


meanpeace 4 years ago

The bible doesnt justify smoking anything. Who said anything about smoking it anyway? It doesnt need to be smoked. We shouldnt smoke anything! Are you aware that you savior made wine for people to drink, are you aware that the bible does "justify" wine? We all know Wine is alcohol.

Turn to 1st timothy chapter 5 verse 23 here is the  King James version

"Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities." 

straight from the mouth of an apostle! Another thing that paul says :-D

 

There you have it. New testament scripture "justifying" wine drinking.

Let me guess, its just says a little. Well you said it doesnt "justify" it. Are we to assume you forgot to clarify other things in your invalid assumptions as well??

An appearance is what? An image. Wether its 3dementional or a representational object ,appearance is a physical manifestation. A plant of ANY kind is not an appearance of evil. The thoughts that your minds eye brings behind it IS. Nice try.

Drug trafficking is a result of what? Say it with me now "LAW". As i pointed out many times, its the "law" that creates criminals. The governments answer "the cure" is worse than the desease "marijuana". You have proved my point to your self :-D

Once not long ago bieng christian was illegal, while slavery was not. Go figure. As i said politics of man is fallable by nature. The only thing that i consider holy is Christ Jesus. All others fall short. Tempt me not.

Okay paul says..... Its proven to be beneficial, so you just shot your self in the foot! 

Im servitude by my master mr. water, mrs. food, and my children. Christ is my lord. And ofcourse i can and do go without smoking it. Can you go without even excess of food or water let alone other nonessentials? Can you go without sining?  If not, you are mastered by it. You see, the playing field is level, we are all equals no mater what you say. Christ is our salvation.

Why give attention to anything then? Do you think that God wants you to suffer and be unhappy? Ofcourse not. Will ye give away ALL your possesions and walk ONLY with God, traveling the world preaching the gospel? If not, then you have no room to talk! As Christ addressed that very question. 

If the will of God is done than it should bring joy. You can still be in sin and do the will of God. You are proof of that. The apostles were proof of that. The prophets were proof of that. The entire BIBLE proves that. Christ is salvation. Christ is the ONLY spottless! Our holiness is NOT our salvation. To teach or think otherwise is blasphemy. We ALL sin. Christ is our medium between God, not ourself preservation or anything else. 

Am i using that to justify marijuana? Nope, im using it to clarify that CHRIST ALONE IS OUR SALVATION. For we ALL will sin till the day we die! So how can anyone say that salvation lies in self preservation, knowing it will never truely happen? They cant, no sin is better than the other by the way. We sin till we die. Thats why we need Christ. We all desperately need Christ. 

 My smelling and tasting of herbs is no different than king Davids whore mongering. Or Noahs drunkeness, actually there is alot of "sin" that our founding fathers did. God knows our hearts and uses us to do his will. Even hitler has done Gods will. God is all knowing. Only Christ is perfect. Are you saying that you are? David the whore monger walked with God none the less, so shall i. 

What kind of question is that, there will be no need to drink anything in heaven. As it is within a different realm than our physical realm.  Therein is mans delima. We cannot seperate the two. Our bicameral minds associate everything physicaly. God is spirit, his angels are spirit, your soul is spirit. It has no need for food or water or sex or television or anyother physical thing. Christ ALONE is salvation. Its not our capability, its not our holiness, its not our call. Jesus Christ the blessed redeemer, is my hope and faith given unto me by Gods everlasting grace. His grace and mercy is why i am. Glory to Christ


Anonymous 4 years ago

I think you're all nuts! Especially You Michellesbusta! You a nut in itself girl!


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MarioRossi 4 years ago from Westerly Rhode Island

Yes Marijuana is made by Christ. But the THC that is put into it is man made not Christ made. Remember that people! God Bless you all.


meanpeace 4 years ago

 Haha yeah, saying that T.H.C is Man made is like saying cinnamon is man made. We know that its not, its a bark from a tree. Yet It is both subsituted and synthesized ofcourse. Man has to try to perfect nature, and fails every time. 

THC is the plants own self made substance of wich was given its genetic structure as designed by God himself.


Matt 4 years ago

God gives us the right to smoke weed like the right to do anything else. Free will, but it is your choice to follow God's teachings and do what is right over doing something that is selfish.


MarioRossi 4 years ago

I really don't see what the big deal is about. Yes Meanpeace you are right and I never thought about it that way. And to whoever that person is that is anonymous should respect people! Obviously you have no clue! And you should whoever you are talking about a little bit of respect!


meanpeace 4 years ago

MarioRossi,

Its is a fact that our view on things are simply a result of what we know and accept or not accept. Its what we dont know, that has the ability to change our veiws. Weather we accept it as factual presented as such or if we reject and stuburnly adhere to our egotistical pridely point of view regardless of factual truth. God indeed is the grand engineer. Everything nature provides us is preconcieved and made by him. Sure we have bad things like poisonous things, but then we have beneficial things as well. Providence of God is not for humans to distribute or govern umungst each other. It is for every man,woman.

Everything we need God has provided. Its mans doings to try to alter,police,dictate or change what God has provided. Through time we learn what to use and what not to use. Science and history is full of marijuana use. Along came the law  changing man to change things. Marijuanas beneficial properties are still there no mater what the law is. I have said this before, if law is for our good than why are ciggarettes still bieng sold? $ $ $

It is quite histerical that we have people saying we shouldnt allow marijuana to be used when its proven to be benificial. 

Ironicaly it is all based on legality, funny thing there is all that the legality side validly claims is addiction.

And we all know addiction is found in anything. So if everything can be classified as addictive then, yes the classification is correct but the list of other things in the same category are endless. People drink cokes everyday and all day. Nothing is thought of it, because its legal. Make it illegal and you have a criminal element. After a few years comes social reform. People automaticaly think because its illegal it must be bad. How about giving felony charges to all those people who fish without a fishing license? That will teach them.. Oh but that protects our waters? Ok drink it then. Oh thats cuz of the ones without license, yeah right. See my point? Its a sorry state that we live in,for,with,by, and after.

 Add many years to prohibition and it transforms into an industry that has twin streams of revenue. Look at any Federal site. They will list the money spent on enforcement etc. They regulate commerce and marijuana is a commercial comodity. 

Ok tons of money is spent on erradicting something that is proven to be beneficial and not harmfull. Tons of money is spent on inflicting life dammaging precussion  on the people who are in possesion of something that is merely "addictive." Not harmfull, deadly or dangerous. Just addictive. 

Oh sure Fed sites list marijuana as harmfull.  Look closer at what the harmful claim is, its a CLASSIFICATION people!  Impaired thinking. Duh yeah thats why people use it. 

And what exactly was the result? Over eating? Driving slower? People desire alteration in many forms. From sports to coffee. Just like alcohol. Just one thing, alcohol will kill you and others around you. Marijuana, nope! Go ahead look and see, there are zero deaths as a result of marijuana. Harmfull? Hello, exactly what is the fricken problem then. We are decieved by marijuana being classified. I could classify a frog as a butterfly. You would say thats preposterous. I would say well, theres is metamorphosis. Oh that is decievingly correct. Yes there is metamorph, but they are not the same creature are they. The Government uses deception like this manner to decieve us with many things. I could list many.

We dont need anything addictive? Okay caffeine, sugar etc etc should be ilegal as well then. Too extreme? Tell me about it. Marijuana prohibition is ridiculous. If someone is addicted to something, give them proper treatment, not jail. If someone is addicted to something that doesnt harm themselves or others, than so be it. We've got bigger issues to  address.

Recently i wrote a letter to a federal division responsible for releasing data on abusive drugs, asking why is it that they do not list caffeine as a drug of abuse like they do with marijuana.

 Know what they said? Its not our call. Its the FDA (food and drug admin). Go talk to them. Hello, them is you, Fed is fed. Ironicaly on their web site within the resource links, they list caffiene as a stimulant as well as it effecting mental and physical conditions. And heres the real kicker folks.....caffeine has WITHDRAWL symptoms. Yep, all right there on the same federal web pages that claim marijuana is addictive and dangerous. Need i say more?!?! Drink up kids. 

Physcologicaly speaking anything is addictive. What is addiction without harm? Its like a glass of water. Its not harmfull unless you drown in it. 

Look around you, people are simply doing as told. Even down to Governmental branches. 

Go to the white house web address. Find the "facts about marijuana".

Do you really see any "facts"?

Its funny, with every other issue there are numbers that correspond with the impact. However with marijuana it is all hypothetical. The impact you ask? Well, all they can come up with is Emergency room visits and addiction.

The only numbers you will see are regarding use. What impact does the use directly have? 376,000 emegrency room visits a year they say. Okay, what is the treatment given? You know i asked that question and have not recieved an answer to that one. You see, there is no treatment for using it. It simply does no harm. Theres no developed mental condition, no brain dammage, no immune system weakening etc etc like they say is "possible" as a result. They say that because of the attributes of other DRUGS that are in the same CLASSIFICATION as marijuana :-O

 Technicaly they have to say that. Lol If its reclassified, guess what. All them alleged dangerous attributes will be changed, as required by "law" LoL. Do you see what i am saying here folks? Ever notice one year you hear eggs are good for you, the next they are bad for you... Hello?

 A study will be sited in any federal refrence to marijuana. Folks whenever a "study" is mentioned what does that tell you? Its a manipulation of implementing an agenda, that ordinarly goes against either common thought,practice or sense. If i was to say to you, a study shows masterbation will make your hands hairy. You will believe the possibility it in a split second, even after seeing that your hands remain just as hairy as they ever was. Then you think gee doesnt that happen over time anyways? 

So all them emergency room visits are uneccessary. How about instead of jail, Educate people about the cause and effect. 

As far as deceptive classification "data" How about information regarding the ratio of first time "users" per ER visit. I bet its 100 percent first time users whom go into emergency room as a result of anxiety and panic from altered perception. Just the same as prescription visits for the same reason! Oh just one thing, prescription drug related emergency room visits are into millions range, and that includes life damaging or threatening conditions as a result of consuming the pharmecueticals. Go figure that one!  

Heres how  a typical emergency room visit as a result of a marijuana "reaction" might be.

ER "What is the porpose of your visit mr brown". 

Mr brown will say "i smoked some pot"

ER will say "what are your symptoms"

Mr brown will say "im hungry and feel weird".

ER will say "how do you feel weird?"

Mr brown will say "i feel good and i know im sopposed to feel bad, like i did before i smoked, thats why i wanted to smoke something knowing it would change me in the first place"

ER will say" theres nothing we can do but do some tests. The results of the tests will be the same weather you took marijuana or not."

Mr brown will say "so i came here for nothing"

ER will say "lets run them tests"$$$

Thats it, theres the dagum truth i tryed to convey in a comical yet bold fashion. There are no negative attributes to marijuana. If the side effect of mind alteration is not wanted then it shouldnt be smoked. That is a personal self inflicted choice. If that is ever realized then emergency room visits would be zero. 

Cheat pains, fever, swelling, none of that crap is associated with use. Now y


meanpeace 4 years ago

our pills are a different story......... 


Justin 4 years ago

meanpeace- Give it up. This topic just isnt worth wasting your time. Christ means everything more than marijuana. Whether it is ok for use or not, Jesus Christ is the only thing that matters. Its time to move on.


meanpeace 4 years ago

Ok, where are we going? Are you driving, cuz im rather critical and nervous of others peoples driving. You know there will be other stops dont ya.  :-D I do see your point but maybe your missing mine.....

If, my defending of my fellow mans Souls (sinners) is wasting time so be it. Perhaps you might want to move on, cuz im just getting started lol. Seriously tho. Its not as if the instant this issue is "over", we will all be called home. All those that seek another issue, will turn the page. If Christ was all that maters then we wouldnt even be in seperate churches. We got alot of work to do eh?

Let me assure you that my life does not revolve around this here. It is merely something that i do in passing. Equivilant to someone reading a book while doing theyre doing theyre morning paperwork. Infact that pretty much sums up its accumulative effect that it has with me. 

So let me put emphesis on my intention. Werther or not Christ is, was or will be involved in any marijuana as we see it, the issue is irrelevant, because on contrary therein is involving souls bieng wrongfully judged and condemed by unworthy fellow man. And that, rest assured Christ is indeed involved in. Therefore it is thereby which i stand, not for the issue of an herb or anyother. 

Christ stood for sinners, as for the righteous they shall recieve theyres. I remain unworthy of grace given unto me no matter what issue is at hand, just like all the rest of us.

 Sin like the rest of us? Then grab a stone and see who chucks one first. (Its my observation that  its the self righteous ones who are usualy the first lol) 

Maybe its not right that im putting super glue on the rocks, but when the glue runs so will the rocks. Ha! ;-D


Mario Rossi 4 years ago

Meanpeace

Yes you are right. God did provide us with the plants and things to make chemicals but it was chemists that actually make chemicals not God! So it is chemists that make THC to put into the marijuana not God! I think you are beating a dead horse with this by going on and on to try to make people to go your way on this. I believe in Jesus Christ very much so but the BS you are trying to brain wash in peoples minds is ridiculous!!!!


meanpeace 4 years ago

I sincerely hope that you dont believe that "chemists" put the chemicals that are present within plants, ie marijuana!? Are you serious? Thats i like believing that storks deliver babies. 

Chemists Infact do the opposite. They extract,combine,modify etc. they cannot really create anything. They only discover. Its seems as if tho they create, to the simple minded. It is God who makes everything.

In order preserve your dignity, i suggest that you do deligent study on that. Call who ever you have to,  google it or what ever. I say this as  a true concern my brother. 

Lets look at the simple facts. The cannabis plant is older than man. Its documented use predates early egyptian use. From what laboratory did these prehestoric people make thc? Thc is the plants natural defense against ultraviolet light. Do you think someone put thorns on roses? 

I am not brainwashing, i expose the dirt. Its up to you if you want to wash the dirt away or not. Im not sure of your age etc, but i honestly hope you dont believe that humans put thc into marijuana. This mere notion exposes the direct effect of social reform. If your in school ask a science teacher, if its a entity of authority that you desire than call the health department or department of agriculture or something and simply ask them, who put thc into marijuana.

However i suggest a simple google   To save you embarassment. 

Yes it may be a hard concept to grasp. You can accept that God allowed evil,pain and suffering. Yet you cant accept thatGod made thc?

 Humans modify and extract to make your tylenol or even asprin. Thc is present within marijuanas genetic structure. It was not placed in there by man or some space aliens either. 

Nobody is telling you to use it or to like it. What im telling you or anyone else is...... Im (we) are allowed to use Gods provisions without judgement and condemnation from my fellow brethren (sinners). Christ is salvation. Its not our deeds or absense of sin that saves us. It is only christ. That sir is fact. How thus you call that bs?


Justin 4 years ago

Why use marijuana? If the world idolizes it, then you know that it is not of God. Plain and simple. You DO NOT see Christians fighting for the legalization of mariuana, do you? nope. You see hippies and weirded out people push for it. You have no arguement against that. The world hates God and everything that has to do with God, so in conclusion, marijuana is of the world.


meanpeace 4 years ago

He we go with catagories and seperation again.. the world hypothetical agian eh. Hippies? Dude you watch too much tv. See how you are putting people in catagories that you dont even know, havent even seen? That is prejudice. Yep sure is. Am i to assume all christians are abortion doctor killers? No

See my point? 

Here we go again....Alright.....Why sin? :-D 

if you know sin is wrong then why do you do it? Time and time again you sin. The "world" sins. So do you. You are taking sides with the world? :-D

See my point?

But .. but its okay Right....right...

And thats because of.... Jesus

And thats speaking in terms of knowing what is sinful, let alone something that isnt! The "world" sins and so do you. See where this is going...again? 

What you are essentially saying is that you refuse to accept that someone who consumes marijuana can be a christian. So its worthless proving to you that yes there are christians that favor it or have no problem with direct legalization or medicinal use etc. Because its not the pressence of weed smoking christians thats the problem. Its the acceptance of them. Sin is sin.

Your lack of seeing them as part of your fellowship expresses just that. Take a look around you, there is information regarding those who favor legalization etc. Its over 50 percent. So look around you, if you travel like you should teaching and preaching the gospel, thereby getting your self out of the protective rock you live under, you would see that half of the people around you favor it. Wow! Thats like alot of people hyuk hyuk. And you are saying where are they at? How is it that you have not came across people like me while doing The Great Commission?

 Oh i know here it comes......You know some people who smoke pot. yada yada insert here some stuff that doesnt pretain to subject mater, or stuff that is a direct result of legality. 

 There is the staggering realization that should take effect in your awarness now. Were not talking about the legalization of a drug. We are talking about the reclassification of an herb. Your classification of marijuana is just that, a classification. It changes from person to person, place to place. But we know what God says about it dont we. Yep said it was for us to use and that its good. That is no lie. 

Just as coffee is a stimulant,  a mere bean. In terms of effect yes caffiene does surpass marijuanas neggitive medical and physical effects. 

Im also a bit perplexed that despite that, you instinctively know that what i say is truth, that you manage your view all on the account hypotheticals. We have real physical harm bieng inflicted upon every day tax paying people for just using an herb. Not an herb that makes you crazy or that harms you in any way. All it does is make you hungry and feel good. And you are saying that fines, tax money, jail ,death etc and harm are better for us in the long run than oh I dont know ummmm people feeling good or eating alot.

That is a no brainer, and so is continuing the same eforts as put forth by our current iligalizaton and criminalization policy. A true christian would favor a less harmfull aproach in ANY mater right?

Is that saying spark it up? No, its saying put down the damn guns, the bars and the chains. Put up the arms and imbrace,educate, and help. NOT KILL lockup and fine, and eat up tax money.

Current criminal policy regarding marijuana gets people killed and injured. There is no justifying that! People die in drug raids etc etc. Drug mafia takes the lives of the inocent. Yet you maintain that we should have the same failing criminal policy that has this war zone outcome? 

Yes, i do see christians fighting for legalization. I am one of them. Its RE-LEGALIZATION by the way. It used to be legal ya know. In our saviors day it was used and what do ya know nothing is mentioned about it. Guess its not as bad as some people hypotheticaly claim it is after all. 

Here is a site umung many, check it out. 

http://christiansforcannabis.com/e107/news.php

What makes you more "christian" than anyone else? Your absense of sin? No. 

You not doing something that another does? No

Nothing does.

Christ. Like it or not I am christian. In terms of comparison with your standards,  My favor of marijuana is no different than your masterbation or gossip or whatever. Its all gonna burn up. fiath in Christ is what saves. Good luck trying to discredit faith in christ. If such is your task than actually you would be doing the devils deeds :-D

We shant do that shall we lad? lol

The bible says this about it; 

God said, "Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed which is upon the face of all the earth.…To you it will be for meat." … And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. (Genesis 1:29-31)

Do ya know what meat is son? Are you aware that its reffering to substance for our physical body?

Gods word says its for me to use, and he says its good. Sorry that your hypotheticals are panning out. But how can you disregard tangible biblical scripture regarding subject mater? You cant. 

So let me correct you, the catagory that you put people in is of the world. The beam thats in your eye is of the world. The judgement that you make is of the world. Marijuana was made by God, and it is good. Thus says God. Unless your God, changing what you have said? 

Not going there are we. 

So right about now you are mad. You are thinking how is this guy claiming to be christian when he "gets high". You are looking at whats going into my mouth. Christ spoke on that. By my fruits ye shall know me. I deffend my brothers and sisters against false judgement. This is my fruit. Dont like it, then dont eat it. Its for god anyway.

Let me ask you this. Whom umungst Gods servants was perfect?.............. Only 1

David was a whore mongerer. Noah was a drunk..... We all know there are more. So, clearly its Gods choice isnt it.

Doing Gods will is personal mater.

Your sining daily is a personal mater. Its between you and God. I am nobody to say that you are not a follower of Christ for sining, and likewise vice versa. 


Randy 4 years ago

One thing that seems to be over looked is that one of the acceptable offerings that is specifically mentioned is "new wine" which was basically a fortified wine much like brandy today. The wine that the jews produced was not the grape juice alot like to say but actually so strong the romans are recorded as diluting in the cup with water. History shows us that when you take all the propaganda out that drunkeness is bad, but alcohol is ok.

With "weed", again I believe that it is the misuse not the use that is a problem. The pharmakeia was drugs used for pagan reasons like speaking to spirits, or altering consciousness to gain a "spiritual plane". That is a far cry from smoking some to relax and de-stress.

To clarify, drinking or smoking in moderation with no pagan intent or actions is just fine, but getting trashed or seeking your "spirit animal" or whatever is no.


katie 4 years ago

I disagree that the Bible is anti-marijuana. God made the plant for a purpose, as an herb to either relax, focus, or take away physical pain. The drugs i think the Bible is referring to are man-made ones that are actually extremely damaging to the body, such as meth or acid.


anonymous 4 years ago

man peace all u have said is just wonderful i would love to get ur email address or facebook page sumwer i can ask u some questions about hw marijuana is d fastest and easiest way for one to mortify his flesh and leave in d spirit where a greater understanding of God's word will come... i also advice all weed supporters on dis page to stay away 4rm alcohol for it is man made and is not in accordance with d spirit of God but a weapon of the devil to cause household destruction...


meanpeace 4 years ago

Sure. meanpeace@charter.net.

 It is important to remember that God alone is the source of wisdom and understanding. We merely aquire glances of bits and pieces from other people,places, or things. While it is true that things can either hinder or help us on the journey of understanding Gods word. Only God understands what God manifests. So naturaly only God is the truthful medium to the remote posibility of the understanding of God and his word. Marijuana can help or harm just the same as anything else. 


wainesworld 4 years ago

JUSTIN -

did you see this comment?

""Swattleme 8 months ago

Idk about you but for me this isn't up for debate I'm gonna do what I want.I dont even consider it a real drug cause its not manmade. I somewhat believe in God but it doesn't matter cause nobody does what he says anyways.If people are gonna be a fake christians then whats the difference between that and not being one at all.I lost my faith in religion cause it just seems like its dividing instead of providing that level playing field that were all seen as the same in the creators eyes. Somewhere in the bible it says man cannot direct his own steps....""

I'm not here to defend anyone, but please look and pray for understanding whether you are doing our Fathers will to argue this point.

SWATTLEME -

I believe your thinking of Proverbs 20:24

"Man's goings are of the LORD; how can a man then understand his own way? "

I will refrain from my own earthly wisdom and only offer a few verses I find applicable.

1Ti_4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

MEATS : bro'-mah

From the base of G977; food (literally or figuratively), especially (ceremonial) articles allowed or forbiden by the Jewish law: - meat, victuals. (Strongs Concordance)

Rom 14:20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.

21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.

22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.

23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Mat_10:10 Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.

Rom_14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

Ecc_5:18 Behold that which I have seen: it is good and comely for one to eat and to drink, and to enjoy the good of all his labour that he taketh under the sun all the days of his life, which God giveth him: for it is his portion.

Ecc_8:15 Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry: for that shall abide with him of his labour the days of his life, which God giveth him under the sun.

Luk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

Psa_60:11 Give us help from trouble: for vain is the help of man.

Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


Futamarka 3 years ago

Известный термин «энергетический вампир», о котором писалось в статье о «энерговампиризме», говорит нам лишь о том, что это человек визажистивного типа, нуждающийся в энергетической подпитке, и получает он эту энергию от людей, и при этом делает это неконструктивным образом. Проще говоря, «энергетический вампир» это визажист, который получает энергию, причиняя людям зло и нанося им вред (через обиды, страхи, необоснованные обвинения, критику и т. д.). Но, к счастью, есть визажисты (и их большинство), которые получают энергию, делая людям добро и принося пользу.


Max Neale 3 years ago

and to think the lord even drank alchohol is stupid and based on an opinion of men who drank just like weed smokers want to find scriptures that comfort there believes on smoking pot but the difference is the bible clearly states to different types of wine unfermented and fermented . christ would never drink alchohol or eat meat or smoke cannabis but yet he learnt us not to judge people who do because judgement is reserved for him alone not us.

ive smoked weed for ten years found the lord 4 years and quit meat 6 months ago and try not to touch alchohol at all but found myself to have a biass opinion on not drinking it due to my childhood of being brought up by a dad who loved the drink beat me and my family but now is a righteous man . you see we can not judge no matter the situation because all fall short and all will repent eventually . god will give us all everlasting life hes just learning us in different ways but the kingdom of god will not tolerate non belivers of christ but doesnt mean they wont gain approval.

the lord knows that most people have to see to believe because of how corrupt man has made it . he does not judge nor has favouritism he wants all to gain repentance AND GUESS WHAT THEY ALL WILL because this is what he has stated by that scripture alone by stating HE wants all to repent. if god wants the moon to turn to blood it will . if he wants you to know the truth and be comforted through scripture he will and so likewise everyone will gain everlasting life and to think that they wont is judging anyway lol because one day your happy one day your sad but all days are for the progress of our lives to become closer to the creator which has to be 100% love if he is not then im sorry you havent found god but some man made traditions twisted for there own ear tickling pleasure.

i use to judge man on my opinions and search scriptures to back them up and learnt that whoever is going against the bible doesnt know that they are because god knows its not the right time but when it is then how amazing will it be for that woman whos daughter was murdered in a sinful world to see her again in the kingdom of god, do you honestly think that woman will have hate for the murderer of course not . her love for god will grow immensly and so will all of ours .

the bible is beneficial for setting things straight and this is one thing id like to set straight

THE LORD IS KIND SO IF YOU HAVE A KIND CONSCIENCE THEN YOU WILL GAIN EVERLASTING LIFE BUT IF YOU HAVE A BAD CONSCIENCE THEN YOU WILL ONLY HAVE TO DENY YOURSELF ANYWAY

THERES NO HELL WERE YOU BURN LOL ITS A SYMBOL OF THE PAIN A MAN WILL HAVE TO FEEL SPIRTUALLY FOR NOT ACCEPTING THE LORD IN HIS SINFUL STATE

DONT JUDGE HELP THE POOR AND NEEDY AND PREACH THE GOOD NEWS WHICH IS

EVERYONE WILL GAIN EVERLASTING LIFE DEATH WILL BE NO MORE ITS BEEN SWALLOWED UP FOREVER


Max Neale 3 years ago

But please rest assure everyday i try to quit or build myself to that because i want to be blameless like you should but in order to attain a christ like image we must accept that the holy spirit takes time and will eventually settle on a blameless and upright man . i dont go church not because i judge them or hate them i love all christians and non believers but for my faith i have a battle with authorities and things not seen so i must always be prepared to protect my spirituality and the churches teach there own opinions and the lord states DONT PUT TRUST INTO NO MAN not in a bad way but discern what god is not what mans opinion on god mixing worldly knowledge with spiritual NEVER MAY THAT HAPPEN but understand god is 100% love and by being like him you also must so you have to go into the world find yourself and leave it there BELIEVE WHAT I AM SAYING because all humans will know eventually that god loves us all the word ALL means all not half not a quarter ALL . so enjoy your walk with the lord its a great expereince but to become like christ is something very difficult but can be done by becoming BLAMELESS . i know most potsmokers on here feel the same we want to do the lords will but takes time but likewise look at yourself ANGER , LUST ,GREED,HATE,BACKBITING ETC ETC there all present somewhere you just need a situation to spark them and then boom thats the spiritual fight. defeat it and you will see the spirit JESUS IS LORD no matter whereyou feel in your life hes not

HE REMAINS FAITHFUL BECAUSE HE CANT DENY HIMSELF


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D T Pennington 3 years ago from Columbus, Ohio

weed is an herb, look up verses on herbs


Mary 3 years ago

We serve a Holy God. We are Not to conform to the world but be transformed by the renewing of our minds. To many people are looking for loop holes in the word of God to justify their behavior or the way they think. Present your body as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God. Jesus is our example on how to live, act, and speak. Engaging in drinking and smoking pot and taking pills just to get drunk or high is not what we as born again Children of God should be involved in. Medical reasons is a different issue all together. We are talking about those who are undisciplined and carnally minded Christians..babies.


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Andrea 6 months ago

This is FALSE! Be warned about changing the words of the bible to meet your personal feelings or agenda! Sorcery is exactly that, sorcery! In the King James version it says witchcraft! Sorcery DOES NOT refer to drugs! That's insanity to even attempt to say so! The Lord Himself refers to a merry heart being as good as medicine! Read the bible folks and don't fall for man's interpretations!

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