Bible Verses NOT to Live By

Introduction

The following hub is a response to a recently published hub called 5 Key Bible Verses to Live By by hubber rtcomics. The hub used to be found here, but has since been deleted: http://rtcomics.hubpages.com/hub/5-Key-Bible-Verses-To-Live-By

The basic gist of rtcomic's hub appears to be to present Biblical verses that are inspiring and offer good advice of how to live your life. The purpose of my hub will be to entirely ANNIHILATE the absurd assertion that the Bible is in ANY way a book that gives good moral advice. How am I going to accomplish this? The same way that rtcomics does, by presenting Bible verses which support my position.

Passage 1 - How to Sell Your Teenage Daughter

Pretty much the entirety of Exodus 21 could be presented as evidence against the Bible being “divinely inspired” but perhaps the most damning bit is the passage about selling your daughter into slavery. The 20th Chapter of Exodus lays out the 10 Commandments that Christians and Jews praise so readily, the chapter right after that has God openly condoning slavery and laying out his divinely inspired wisdom regarding how to keep, own, buy, sell and beat your slave. Exodus 21 7-9:

“If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself, he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. If he selects her for his son, he must grant her the rights of a daughter.” - NIV

Yes that's right folks, the divine and infinitely wise creator of the Universe condones slavery right in that wonderful, inspiring, and perfectly moral book known as the Bible. But as you may have guessed you probably shouldn't live by these verses, or any of the verses I'm going to discuss in this hub, doing so might just get you arrested. Apparently the moral depravity of considering a fellow human being as your property was lost on God for a long while, but don't worry, moral men like those in the Abolitionist movement, and Abe Lincoln, eventually set right God's mistake.

Passage 2 - Every Sperm is Sacred

The following heartwarming tale of moral advice from Christianity's favorite book comes from Genesis Chapter 38. The story probably needs some context, it involves Onan, his brother Er and his brother's wife. Er was wicked, and according to scripture God killed Er before his wife could give Er an heir. So, as culture dictated at the time, Onan was meant to go to Er's wife and make sure that she got pregnant so that Er, even though he was dead, would have a son. Onan didn't like the idea, so when he slept with Er's wife (Tamar by name), he decided at the last minute to pull out. God didn't like this one bit. Please keep in mind as you read this story that according to the Bible God is “the same yesterday, today, and forever.”

“But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the LORD’s sight; so the LORD put him to death also.” NIV, Genesis 38 9-10

What a wonderful moral to this story eh? When attempting to impregnate the wife of your late brother every sperm is sacred, pulling out brings the penalty of being killed by the creator of the entire Universe.

Passage 3 - Rebel Yell

Honestly this hub is too painfully easy for me and it makes me wonder if rtcomics ever actually sat down and read the Bible in it's entirety. There are so many laws, morals, commandments, and stories that I could point out that I'm actually thinking of making this into a SERIES of hubs rather than just one response hub. Here's a bit of advice that should earn you a spot in the national news for a few days. Can you guess what the Bible suggests you do with a rebellious child? If you guessed murdering them than you'd be right!

The cherished text of the Good book reads as followed in Deuteronomy 21:18-21

“If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him,his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.” Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.”

This is another chapter where the WHOLE chapter could easily be put down here. Earlier in the same chapter they talk about how female prisoners of war, taken as spoils of war essentially, can be forced into marriage. Yes I'm sure there's plenty of apologetic tricks to get around this, fortunately for those of us with brains and a dash of compassion apologetics serve as no excuse. For more on when it's okay to murder your misbehaving child check out Leviticus 20 verse 9.

Passage 4 - Penis Envy

If there's one thing God is obsessed with in the Bible it's penises, that and blood-shed, but the two are not always mutually exclusive. The following wonderful statute can be found in Deuteronomy 25 verse 11 and 12. The phrase all's fair in love and war comes to mind, only the Bible attaches one caveat to that, one exception to the rule, all's fair except going for the penis in a fight.

“If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.”

The odd thing is that it's only the woman who is in trouble. Presumably if the two men were punching each other in their privates there wouldn't be an issue, but if the woman becomes involved SHE LOSES HER HAND! Harsh doesn't even begin to describe the pure barbarism in these two verses.

Passage 5 - The Miracle of Childbirth

Most Christian women seem oblivious to the sexism in the Bible and many Christians like to pretend that most of the sexism is in the Old Testament. This is hardly the case however when you really get down to it. Most people know all about the Apostle Paul's demand that women be silent in church. Few read on into that passage, however, to learn about Paul's method for how women can be saved. Keep in mind as you read that the writings of Paul are the earliest Christian writings we have, pre-dating any copies of the four Gospels.

“A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through CHILDBEARING—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.” Timothy 2: 11-15

Emphasis added of course. Well this certainly explains the Fundamentalist QUIVER-FULL movement that has emerged in the last few decades so strongly. After all women apparently achieve their spiritual salvation by bearing children, not by following Christ's teachings or being “born again” nope, just by making sure that some people get born the first time. So ladies you better make with the submission and husbands, especially if you're wife used to be your brother's wife, remember not to pull out!

Conclusion

This hub shows a few of the many examples of offensive, barbaric and terrible moral advice a primitive book like the Bible provides. Are there a few GOOD moral points in the Bible? YEP. But they are overshadowed by the sickening, grotesque and immoral ones. For a book that was supposedly inspired by a perfect God the Bible sure does have some serious issues.

Thanks for reading and I hope you never EVER heed the moral advice of the Bible, chances are if you're reading this you're a better person than that.

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AKA Winston 5 years ago

Titen-Sxull,

It is so painfully obvious this book was written by humans who were limited in their knowledge that to try to present it as the ideas of an omniscient, omnipotent being is like calling The Three Stooges great Shapespearean actors.

Good work, but easy pickining.


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Greg Sereda 5 years ago from Sandomierz, Poland

Passage 1 - How to Sell Your Teenage Daughter

Oh, my misinformed friend. The Bible does not condone slavery (in terms of what we think of as slavery). The slavery of the Bible was willful in order to pay off a debt. When people fell into a debt, they had the option of working it off (biblical slavery) or being jailed. About beating her, which the passage you cited says NOTHING about, there was no beating their slaves. They guaranteed that by not selling themselves to foreigners. They treated each other with dignity.

We probably should still live by that rule. It would make people think twice about needlessly splurging their finances; and we may have avoided the financial crisis that is affecting more and more of the world.

Passage 2 - Every Sperm is Sacred

Once again, you misinterpret the Scripture; and the answer is right under your nose. If you read the text again, it is obvious that it is not Onan's "pulling-out" that displeased the Lord, it was his neglect of fulfilling his responsibility to give his brother's wife children. It's not the sperm that was sacred, it was his responsibility.

The moral of the story is, we need to stay true to our responsibilities.

Passage 3 - Rebel Yell

If only I was your father and you were my child in OT times...

You have to understand that when God ruled directly over Israel sin was not tolerated. Although people had opportunities to confess and repent of their sins in the tabernacle daily, if they refused to do so they would be stoned.

This is an example of what is going to happen to unrepentant sinners in the judgment. A few verses talk about fire and "brimstone" being rained on them from heven. That will be the ultimately stoning.

The only difference between now and OT times is that God does not directly rule over His chruch, and punishment for sinners is delayed until Jesus' return.

Passage 4 - Penis Envy

That's not even what penish envy means. Anyway, I wouldn't want someone squeezing my balls either. That could disable me from having children for life. Could you blame God?

Passage 5 - The Miracle of Childbirth

About women being silent, that is because women ware asking their husbands questions in chruch and disrupting the sermon. You see, back then they had to sit across the aisle from each other in church. About women not teaching men, some interpret that to mean women are forbidden to be ministers.

There is some science behind that as well. It is because it takes one with a logical mind to perform ministerial duties. Men are naturally more logical than women and women are more emotional. Have you ever gotten into an argument with a woman? You can't win, no matter how logical you are.

About the childbreating, I would have to look into that. However, one thing is for sure, there is no different way of salvation for men and women. They Bible makes it clear that there is one way of salvation for all; so that scripture about childbearing must have a different interpretation than the one your're proposing. But that's insignificant since I've already refuted about 90% or your rant.


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emmaspeaks 5 years ago from Kansas City

Awesome hub! You hit the nail on the head! The most popular path to atheism is, yep, reading the bible. I think you've done a great job showing us that.

And Greg, I only got to were you state that slavery in the bible was willful. Oh, you poor misinformed person you.


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TMApsey 5 years ago from Wisconsin, USA

I love it! The bible is ridiculous! Sure, it might have a few good ideas thrown in, but I think a good book on morality would be a much better book to live by. Most of the Christians I know readily admit that they have not read the Bible in its entirity, and it shows. A poll by the Pew Forum found that atheists and agnostics know more about religion than Christians do. Voted up, and looking forward to reading the next hub in the series!


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Titen-Sxull 5 years ago from back in the lab again Author

@Greg

Yes the God of the Bible condones slavery in the way I think about slavery. Slavery as in owning another human being as property, that's the primary definition of slavery. Slaves were also taken of prisoners captured during war AND slaves could be purchased from surrounding nations that dealt in slave trading.

It was not merely an indentured servant program as you wrongfully suggest.

Re-read Exodus 21, it talks about regulations on how you can beat your slave. It also says that if you beat your slave to death you must be punished BUT that if the slave recovers from the beating you are NOT to be punished because the slave is your property. Exodus 21 is meant to be coming right from the MOUTH OF GOD to Moses.

Congratulations on condoning the idea that those in debt should become slaves!

"it was his neglect of fulfilling his responsibility to give his brother's wife children."

Yeah, I know, and his pulling out directly led to him FAILING at that responsibility.

"You have to understand that when God ruled directly over Israel sin was not tolerated"

Except for all the times that sin WAS tolerated, like how David committed adultery and still lived to be an old man.

Way to go, you've just rationalized the brutal murder of a child! Trust me when I say your post reflects far more on you than it does on my hub.

"Could you blame God?"

Personally I don't believe in a God but according to Christians the Bible contains God's laws. He may be a fictional character from my perspective but that doesn't mean he's not a monster of a character.

So yeah, I can blame him. A woman is losing her hand just for grabbing a man's genitals in the middle of a fight, harsh doesn't even begin to describe it. If this happened to you in a fight would you allow the woman's hand to be chopped off? Even in my angriest state I could never see myself retaliating in such a brutal way, it's barbaric.

But what's barbaric and horrific to normal moral people is righteous and just punishment according to the God of the Bible.

The penis envy title was just to give the heading an interesting name.

" so that scripture about childbearing must have a different interpretation than the one your're proposing"

I'm not proposing any interpretation, I'm just looking at the text Greg. The Apostle Paul apparently suggests that a woman's salvation should come from silent submission and childbirth.


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Titen-Sxull 5 years ago from back in the lab again Author

@AKA Winston

Easy picking indeed. Love the comment about the Three Stooges though to be honest I think I'd rather watch the Stooges than sit through a Shakespearean play ;)

@emmaspeaks

Thanks emmaspeaks, glad you enjoyed the hub.

Yep, if I hadn't read the Bible as a Christian I would have never become an atheist :D

@TMApsey

Thanks TMApsey, glad you have you aboard for what will hopefully be a fun series. I remember hearing about that poll a while back, it doesn't surprise me. In depth knowledge about religion tends to create atheists.


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preacher2003 5 years ago

The Bible is a great book, when properly read and understood. It really is great, and God - is wonderful. www.harvestgathering.org

ALSO - there are versions of the Bible to avoid - nivheresy.com


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Paladin_ 5 years ago from Michigan, USA

Another awesome hub, Titen. As Winston observes, the Bible is incredibly easy pickings.

But what's even more important to note here is the utter absurdity of the claim that we can only get our morals from God (via the Bible). What is so easily demonstrated by your examples (and MANY, MANY others!) is that we begin with our own moral foundation, THEN pick and choose those things from religious teaching that fit into that moral structure (and not the other way around) -- and discard or ignore the rest.

What's even more outrageous is the semantic and philosphical gymnastics performed by folks like Greg, trying to rationalize the most evil, injust and ridiculous elements of the Bible. As moral beings, they're desperate to reconcile such obvious absurdities with their own humanistic knowledge of right and wrong, and usually fail.


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rtcomics 5 years ago from Laurelville, Ohio

Interesting hub. I have to respectfully disagree with you. I have posted a response at: http://rtcomics.hubpages.com/t/2cb3d9


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Greg, you need to grow a pair of balls and think for yourself instead of repeating what you've "heard". Learning to read would be a start. Sorry that your mother never "taught" you to read. Since she probably would have been stoned for doing so, I don't blame her for not teaching you a damm thing.


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WD Curry 111 5 years ago from Space Coast

Oh no. I am going to get in trouble at church . . . again. You killed it, bro!

How about the part in Deuteronomy where it says a wife can't kick her husband's adversary (in a fist fight) in the testicles when she jumps into the fray. I bet you hope they live by that one!

Think about it. It must have come up on the "trail" to the promised land. Two dudes were fighting, the wife came running over, kicked her husbands rival in the nads and closed the deal. The fight was over.

Later, when the swelling went down, the victim went to Moses and now it is a thing in the Bible.

Am I crazy, or is that how it got in there?

At the same time, your arms are too short to box with God.


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Titen-Sxull 5 years ago from back in the lab again Author

@Preacher2003

No the Bible is not a great book, it's possibly the most overrated collection of books in history. And yes there are translations to steer clear of, such as the King James which mentions Unicorns.

@Paladin

Thanks Paladin. Yes it is sad to see folks defend the immorality of the Bible. I probably used to do the same thing when I was a Christian but that changed when I actually sat down and read the whole thing and realized just how large a portion of it was horrific.

@WD Curry 111

It's not that the rule about being punched in the junk is a bad one, it's that the penalty is too harsh. I can see there being a law about that, but getting her hand chopped off just for a low blow is barbaric.

I don't box with God because he's too busy playing dice with the Universe ;)


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AKA Winston 5 years ago

(Oh, my misinformed friend. The Bible does not condone slavery)

Dear Greg,

I know you are a believer and thus have confirmation bias toward this book ( we all suffer confirmation bias so I point this our as informative, not as condemnation), but at the same time some things are so crystal clear as to be laughable when denied. If nothing else, the following quote should cause cognitive dissonace in you:

"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way." (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

Yep - great book if you are one of the "chosen", but not so great if you are one of the "unchosen". The book is a compilation of Jewish mythology, comparable to Greek mythology, as well as legends and folk tales.

The fact that this book describes a god that gives guidance on the abhorrent practice of slavery - which humankind has since unanimously rejected as consummately immoral - but was common during the ancient era in which these ideas were expressed only serves to reeforce the notion that not only was this particular god a creation of those ancient nomadic imaginations but the ideas expressed by them were simply a representation of what was held as common and normal practices in those times. In other words, nothing at all magical or supernatural about them at all.


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Christy Stewart 5 years ago from Oklahoma

Maybe we shouldn't read the Bible as a book of rules to follow, but rather as a love story meant to draw us into a relationship with a loving God.


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Titen-Sxull 5 years ago from back in the lab again Author

@Christy Stewart

In that case the Bible fails even more spectacularly as it's "loving" God condones slavery and openly commits genocide, not to mention his plans to throw the majority of humans into the Lake of Fire. I'd sooner seek out a relationship with North Korea's new dictator, I'm sure he has a bit more compassion than the psychopathic deity the Bible depicts.


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Christy - I tend to think of the Bible as the Soap Opera of its day. It's fiction of the highest order, extreme drama, it has all sorts of fanatical fans and tons of plot twists. Enjoy.


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WD Curry 111 5 years ago from Space Coast

Being that I have had much experience with Southern Baptists, may I chime in? "If you are called as a slave, remain as a slave." (New Testament)

Also if an indentured servant works off his debt, and he loves his master and his household, he can pierce his ear and remain his master's slave. (Old Testiment)

Condon? Allow? Synonymous to a great degree. The real point. If God's love is flowing, any system works. I would rather be a slave on a Rice Plantation in coastal South Carolina where the "Masters" were kind, than work in a publicly traded American Corporation as an office manager.


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WD Curry 111 5 years ago from Space Coast

Playing dice? Yeah, with a weighted set. They always roll his way.


pridekills 4 years ago

Atheists, contributing nothing useful. Nothing to see here.


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Rayne123 4 years ago

I have to agree with Greg, you are reading the bible wrong and not understanding it.

You really need to believe in God and know him to understand the bible.

First of all Jesus spoke in parabables so Jesus himself commented on why he did this. Second of all, things back then were different and yes God expects us to live by those words.

Last but not least, Jesus was of flesh, before he rose from the dead, he was normal and had feelings like the rest of us. However he never sinned and was spreading the word of his father.

Lastly, take is as a lesson and learn what God is trying to say.

Its called "wrath of God" he wants us to know, he has a side to him that can take down the world if he wants. Our Lord is great in power and will not punish only judgement day, but this day on earth.

If you feel like you are always running into bad luck, its called Karma, as the bible says, you reap what you sow. Our Lord has an angry side and I don't think its something anyone wants to feel.


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Titen-Sxull 4 years ago from back in the lab again Author

"You really need to believe in God and know him to understand the bible."

Does being a Christian most of my life count? You know I read the Bible as a Christian, read it all the way through, and that was the first step I took toward atheism. I understand the Bible just fine, it's a book about a primitive barbaric God invented by primitive barbaric people to explain shit they didn't understand and rally the troops when they were about to raid another civilization, rape the women, take the children as slaves and put everything else to the sword. A tribal, small-minded, petty God who deemed homosexuality and the consumption of shellfish a sin but condoned slavery as perfectly fine.

"Second of all, things back then were different and yes God expects us to live by those words."

The old "things in the Old Testament were different" card, never seen that one before. Things were so different that slavery was okay, and stoning people to death for simply trying to get shit done on a Saturday was mandatory. According to scripture God is the same 'yesterday, today, and forever' so pack up your get-out-of-the-old-testament free card and go home.

"Our Lord is great in power and will not punish only judgement day, but this day on earth."

Is that what he's doing to all the kids starving in Africa right now? Punishment? So he'll punish evil but neglect the starving and hopeless? And all of this so that he can show us his "power". Like if Superman floated down to a dying little boy with a banana and said "I could save you, but instead I'm going to go punish a woman for cheating on her husband by making her womb dry up."


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days leaper 3 years ago from england

Hi. I'vwe only read the first two. Sorry, very little time left. It shows interpretation is very much a subjective thing. Point 1. A hard question to answer. But answerable nonetheless; though believe it or not you helped with my answer! Abe Lincoln fixed it, correct. And it was the job of the ruler of the nation/s to do so, not God. God or rather his worker (If memory serves correctly, it was Moses in the time of which we speak) was, is merely an Ambassador for trying to make the best of a bad situation. If God were a vengeful God then he might of intervened with how man runs the world givenn to man -or the devil, if you read the scripture. And of course, the war of contentions between good and not so good continues today.

Point 2. The bible does not say whether wasted sperm is wicked, or the affair as the later is cheating. The former isn't that healthy as it takes the body energy etc. to produce.

If you read the New Testament. The one where Jesus Christ is going about making a more positive sense of it all. You may see that sex is more about the building and maintaining the bonds of a special relationship (ie. "marriage") between a man and a woman...

My own upbringing did nothing for me tyo believe. Thhankfully, I heard a good psychic on the radio whom I met. And he gave me a way to ask for proof, which I duly got in due course. (I didn't ask for anything, just sat down on my own one night, put hands together, said the Lords prayer - "...If you do exist, give me proof enough to know, and I will believe." ...I still won't go to any church, except as a family event. ie. births, weddings funerals etc.


oopap 3 years ago

No, no, you're misinterpreting it: 2 +2 = 5!


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ValKaras 9 months ago from Canada

Titen-Sxull - The craziest facet of religious delusion is rationalizing over the "interpretation" of Bible. So, let's say, you tell me that I am stupid, and when I protest, you say how "there was a metaphor hiding in there that I didn't understand". And then you punch me, saying that "there are many expressions of love". And then you kill me, and you explain to my family that "you did me a favor, so that my arthritis stops hurting".

What fascinates me the most is the enormous power of social brainwashing, religion being the icing on that cake. Great hub, I like it a lot. - Val


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days leaper 9 months ago from england

One set of brainwashing against another. Yet if you have nothing to question how do you learn? If nobody bothered communicating there would be too little to go on. Nothing yo live by. Nothing to learn from. But tell me how much better off we are in this age of chaos and uncertainty by having given women the right to vote. The right to question mans autonomy and his wish for some privacy from women and togetherness socially with his fellow man.


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Titen-Sxull 9 months ago from back in the lab again Author

I'd say we, as a whole, are a lot better off having allowed women to be just a equal as the rest of us. What excuse could we have for not granting them the equality they spent decades fighting for?

Are you AGAINST equality for women?


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Austinstar 9 months ago from Somewhere in the universe

days - We spend our formative years learning how to communicate and how to treat others. How you apply what you have learned is up to you. What thoughts you have are yours to think.

If you want "privacy from women", then go meditate in solitude somewhere or go to a social club for men. What is stopping you?

Every "age" of man is full of "chaos and uncertainty". YOU have the power to live your life.

And so do we all - women and men alike. You have brainwashed yourself.


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ValKaras 9 months ago from Canada

Days - Sometimes it's good to remind ourselves that this is the 21st century, not Stone Age when man was treating his "female" as a slave. Maybe it would also help to start honoring women by remembering that one of those "creatures" you want some privacy from used to change your diapers.


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Austinstar 9 months ago from Somewhere in the universe

@Val - Funny comment! That would be something a misogynist needs to remember! It also creates the horrid mental picture of Trump's mother changing HIS diapers! So, thanks for that image!


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days leaper 9 months ago from england

ValcKaras & Austinstar

1. depends what equality is. Very few, if any clubs wholly for men these days due to womens lib activists -yet plenty womens groups springing up, gaining momentum etc. If that's your equality you keep it.

2. Spent whole life surrounded by women, dad perhaps being led to drink to avoid the nagging, the shouting, and the EXTREMELY long silences, not to forget the controlling and the fierceness of their arguing. Your right men don't hit women but sometimes it is quite tempting even for saints! In adult life regularly surrounded by nurses, albeit beautiful and well respected people. But all women. Damn right I want a break at 40! From the illness/es and all these (married) women! You would too, Sorry but You would!!!!


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days leaper 9 months ago from england

posted other too early: Was going to say:-

I believe I was asking a question. How are "we" (men & women, society as a whole. Better off. And no I don't think women shouldn't vote. I do think maternity leave costs too much as a whole, and I do believe because both male & female have to work to survive (if so) that this does nothing for stability in the home. And as far as politics and jobs. It's BS about "there aren't enough women in... (whatever job, role etc.) because of statements and beliefs like that. There aren't enough of the right/best person for the job in such roles!

Equality is the search for power which causes inbalance by it's very nature. And now in motion will be very hard to stop from getting out of hand. Wait and see!


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Austinstar 9 months ago from Somewhere in the universe

Days Leaper - Do you have any idea how offensive you sound by insulting half of the human race? No, obviously you do not. If you hate women enough to hit them because you think you are bigger,stronger,more intelligent, or for whatever reason - you are the problem, not women.

Equality means equality, not "power". Read a dictionary some time.


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Say Yes To Life 9 months ago from Big Island of Hawaii

Your videos are hilarious! And right on target!


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lockman moss 6 weeks ago

Come on! That is the Old Testament.

OLD and NEW are completely two different words!


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Titen-Sxull 6 weeks ago from back in the lab again Author

Jesus said the following about the Old Testament Law of Moses:

"For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." Matthew 5:18

There are many verses where Jesus supports the law of the Old Testament.

Unless you're being sarcastic and joking around at the expense of Christians who pull the "Get out of the Old Testament Free" card.


Sanxuary 6 weeks ago

There is a greater story being told and you assume that God is doing all the talking and writing of scripture. Imagine a time your living in and your Earthly and God is trying to teach you something. Then imagine you got that lesson and provided your interpretation. Imagine your message is cumulative, in otherwards you have to connect the stories of others to understand the real message. That obeying god who creates life should be your priority no matter how strange it might sound. If you lived in a World of slaves then perhaps they learned to treat their slaves better but had not matured enough to realize that no slaves is a better idea. Some would say the Bible contradicts its self but the bigger message is much clearer. Read the passages of the bible on the creation of men and women and ask yourself how they were not created equal in the begining? I read the Bible and think they are. Now be a slave owner years later and God is trying to convince you of treating all people as equals as they will be in Heaven. He got a message but did not even understand obeying God. Why would the story not have the desired picture we would imagine today? Sometimes I wonder in a journey towards greater spiritual maturity where Heavenly goals are most important and not Earthly goals. Who understands the Bible? Its easier to make up your own stuff for Earthly reasons and even believers do it.


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Titen-Sxull 6 weeks ago from back in the lab again Author

@Sanxuary

Hi Sanxuary, thanks for the comment!

"you assume that God is doing all the talking and writing of scripture"

This is not MY assumption but the assumption of fundamentalists who believe the entire Bible is the Word of God. The Bible itself says that all scripture is "God breathed". The point of this hub is as a response to believers who say that we should live by the lessons the Bible teaches.

"That obeying god who creates life should be your priority no matter how strange it might sound."

I don't see why this is the case at all. Can you explain to me why a created being is obligated to obey its creator. A god can be evil, but we wouldn't want people to obey an evil god would we? Society wouldn't function very well if everyone was serving an evil god that told them to do horrendous things.

"Why would the story not have the desired picture we would imagine today?"

Why would a story inspired by or written by a perfect God not be entirely perfect? How does a perfect God create an imperfect world to begin with?

I don't think the Bible's larger picture makes any sense either. The larger themes seem to be that you can either be a slave in submission to an immortal tyrant who will make you worship him forever or you can be tortured forever for not agreeing to be a slave. Doesn't seem like a very good overall message to me.


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ValKaras 6 weeks ago from Canada

Titen-Sxull - I totally agree. The whole thing becomes quite ridiculous when we think about having a brain but not being allowed to use it. If god gave us "free will to think" - but only for as long as we agree with everything in the Bible (or any other holy book), then it's not a "freedom". Was he a typical democrat - propagating freedoms, but hitting you with a riot and looting when you dare to disagree?

Besides, when a person, any person says a few horrible things and then expects me to trust his judgement "on account of those "better" things he has said" - I am not falling for that, I simply don't trust them. So, those "evil" verses don't get any better with those Ten Commandments; the "taste" is spoiled by adding pepper and vinegar to milk.

But then, my friend, how do you make people see it, if they insist on refusing to question their beliefs? Like someone has said: "Mind is so terrible thing to waste".


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Austinstar 6 weeks ago from Somewhere in the universe

Val, pre-judging Democrats much?

The gods of the bibles do not say just a few horrible things - they say and DO many horrible things!

The whole planet seems to be a terrible thing to waste.

Why don't we use our brains to actually think with instead of trying to obey an arbitrary, invisible god or thousands of gods and superstitions?


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ValKaras 6 weeks ago from Canada

Lela - as for "Democrats", I don't care much about labels, people can call themselves whatever they want - it simply doesn't look right (at these times when revolutions and wild mobs are obsolete) to riot and loot just because some others' dare to think differently. It wouldn't be right if Republicans were doing it, or if Middle Eastern refuges were doing it all over Europe. Primitive impulsiveness should not be a surrogate for brains, no matter who does it.

However, this hub was not about politics, and I do agree with all the rest that you said; although I honestly don't take the whole thing about deities so seriously. Let people believe what they want, I am just voicing a different opinion, and no one has to agree.

Anyway, that's my idea of "freedom" and "democracy" - feeling free to think and allowing others the same.


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Austinstar 6 weeks ago from Somewhere in the universe

Words matter, Val. I love most of the words you use. Keep up the good work!


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ValKaras 6 weeks ago from Canada

Lela - I can't say it much differently than I said it in a few of my hubs - people use different "ideological tranquilizers", so finding a version of "peace" in reading the Bible over and over is in the same category of pecking on Valium.

Of course, we may all gang up against this avoidance to face those emotional issues and doing something about them - and it may even be quite an intellectual fun. I have done it, and you have done it your own way - but what's the use really? Folks will forever stick to their "sweet poison", and you can't take it away from them.

When I used to be a chain-smoker, no words were good enough to get me off cigarettes - until I figured out that I was using them as chemical crutches. Then I quit them cold turkey. But to these days I can empathize with all other forms of addictions.

Religionists don't oppose your opinion because something is "wrong" with it, but because they can't emotionally afford to agree with you. So, from my corner of observance - we will keep doing "our thing", and they will keep doing "theirs". Why the hell not - it seems like everyone is having fun. - Be well, my Texan friend.


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Norine Williams 6 weeks ago

I wish unbelievers knew what God was doing since the day of creation. Before He formed man out of the dust of the earth, He knew that he would disobey and would have to come to give man "The Way" back to Him! Consequently, He created "laws" so difficult that man wouldn't be able to keep and to make man realize he needed a 'Savior;' Jesus Christ (aka Himself; I Timothy 3:16) because He "looked for a man to fill in the gap; but found none" (Ezekiel 22:30)!

You know "It's lonely at the TOP" and "man" was created by God for us to give Him "Praise" although if we don't He said He'll "make the rocks cry out" (Luke 19:40) so no big deal; He gives us "choice" (Joshua 24:15)!

GOD SAID in Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do ALL these things." HE SAID again in Isaiah 14:27 "For the LORD of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?" Well, since GOD'S original intent was to create man for us to give Him "Praise;" if we don't He'll "make the rocks cry out," and HE will "purpose" it anyway HE pleases for "who shall disannul it" or "who shall turn his hand back," why do "we" (the creation) criticize HIM for how HE accomplishes It? Can we "disannul it?"

GOD SAID in Isaiah 55:11 "So shall my word BE that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall NOT return unto me VOID, but it shall accomplish that which I PLEASE, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it." Now how can the "creation" argue with the "Creator?" It's WORST than arguing with the Constitution of the United States! It's WORST than arguing with Presidential elect Donald Trump whether we "agree" or not! That's how "ignorant" you unbelievers sound! GOD "Created" EVERYTHING (man included) and how, why, and for what "Purpose" is given to ALL in Scripture (II Peter 1:3) whether we "agree" or not! As Donald Trump "is" our President, GOD "IS" our Creator, whether we "agree" or not!

It is what it is!

Isaiah 55:8 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD."

Blessings


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Titen-Sxull 6 weeks ago from back in the lab again Author

How can a perfect being possibly need company? And even more so why would he need it?

As human beings we evolved to be a social species and we need each other to reproduce and raise those children until they are old enough to reproduce. Biologically it makes sense for us to need companionship. But for a supernatural entity, a perfect and all powerful one at that, there is no logical reason to create others, unless the others God creates are peers.

Instead, by the Bible's own admission, God makes himself some servants. Adam's first function is to name the animals and tend the garden. After things go awry God's best laid plans involve wasteful cruel animal sacrifices. The use of blood magic sounds an awful lot like a human made convention, a hallmark that the Bible and it's God are the invention of superstitious ancients. As the Bible there is more and more confirmation that it's God is not looking for a loving relationship with his creations where their free will is taken serious but rather for submission, fear and constant subjugation. The penalty of those who do not shackle themselves to the unjust sacrifice of Jesus (more blood magic) is eternal torment.

If it is what it is, Norine, than it is a choice between slavery or torment or, as I have done, recognizing the signs that the whole thing was made up by other humans like every other religion before it.


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Norine Williams 6 weeks ago

GOD has "feelings" as we do (Hebrews 4:15) and therefore loves "Praise" as we do! As stated before, He longs for it so until if we don't do it; He'll "Make the rocks cry out" (Luke 19:40)!

"...unless the others (we) God creates are peers." PRECISELY! That's exactly what He wants from us to become ONE with Him! We were given "a spirit" to do precisely that; reconcile or reconnect to our Creator! We have the same capabilities as He does (John 14:12); "IF" we utilize it! That's why the Psalmist David wrote in Psalms 82:6 "...Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High." Therefore, we ALL have the capability (a spirit to "connect" to THE SPIRIT) of doing EXACTLY what God can do! As a matter of fact, in John 14:12, Jesus said, "...He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do..." but the problem is not even "believers" believe!

If you read Genesis 1:26;28 "God gave "dominion" over every creeping thing on the earth" which included "dominion" over other men as well. Does this sound like a "servant?" If someone bought you a mansion and told you "You have "dominion" over every thing in and pertaining to the mansion, would you be a servant?

"Things went awry?" Did the "All-Knowing God" not know before creation of man that he wouldn't obey? As stated before, God new before creation that man wouldn't obey but the plan of God was for Him to show mankind His love for us by coming and dying for us in order to return or be reconciled to that ONE SPIRIT! What is more "loving" than "laying down your own life for your best friend?" Jesus said so in John 15:13 "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." He only wants to prove to us that He loves us!" But as there is a recipe for baking a cake, there is a recipe to "connect" to THE SPIRIT to acquire "supernatural Power!" John 15:14-15 says " Ye are my friends, "IF" ye do whatsoever I command you." That is the recipe! We must follow the recipe to acquire the Power for "connection!" Listen to John 15:15 "Henceforth I call you NOT "servants;" for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you." Did you hear that? We are not "servants" but His "friends" IF we "follow the recipe" or "obey His commandments."

As when the mansion was given, there are rules to maintain possession. You must keep the grass mowed, paint every 5 years, clean pool as required, etc therefore what you call "submission" are only commandments to follow to maintain and the only "fear" is one of "repossession" and which is not "subjugation" in the sense that you use it. The "penalty of those who do not "obey" is loss of mansion and you will not be able to "reconnect" eternally to THE SPIRIT!

When we "disconnect" from God (or live in unrighteousness) there's always an "empty spot" or a feeling of "emptiness" which reminds us we show be "connected" to THE SPIRIT and to be "disconnected" is pure HELL! Have you experienced? I did! And if you think it is only in "recognition of the signs that the whole thing was made up by other humans," you truly are not alive!

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