Biblical Myth, Astrology & Astronomy

Biblical myth and reality are two different things

According to what we read in Ezekiel 1:4-28, there is a cherubim that is a composite of four living creatures. Many people see something like this as what is meant.
According to what we read in Ezekiel 1:4-28, there is a cherubim that is a composite of four living creatures. Many people see something like this as what is meant. | Source
Also within the description is a wheel within a wheel and a being sitting on a throne above the firmament.
Also within the description is a wheel within a wheel and a being sitting on a throne above the firmament. | Source
Here we see the vision as it appears from the sky and we are getting a little closer to the truth.
Here we see the vision as it appears from the sky and we are getting a little closer to the truth. | Source
This wheel is supposedly a device of prediction. Outside of that, it is a chart that interprets the sky.
This wheel is supposedly a device of prediction. Outside of that, it is a chart that interprets the sky. | Source
This map shows the Ptolemaic geocentric structure of the heavens that is apparently described in the book of the Revelation.
This map shows the Ptolemaic geocentric structure of the heavens that is apparently described in the book of the Revelation. | Source
According to astrology, the four fixed signs, which also formed the crucial solar transit points in ancient times, are Taurus, Leo, Scorpio and Aquarius. Except for Scorpio near Aquila. if we take the symbols of each, they match the cherubim.
According to astrology, the four fixed signs, which also formed the crucial solar transit points in ancient times, are Taurus, Leo, Scorpio and Aquarius. Except for Scorpio near Aquila. if we take the symbols of each, they match the cherubim. | Source
The cherubim is not the only cross in the Bible. The Crucifixion of Christ is also another type that reflects the sky and was also an actual instrument of torture by Romans for sedition.
The cherubim is not the only cross in the Bible. The Crucifixion of Christ is also another type that reflects the sky and was also an actual instrument of torture by Romans for sedition. | Source
Look carefully at this sun dog image and you will find three crosses. Here is another link between myth, history and sky.
Look carefully at this sun dog image and you will find three crosses. Here is another link between myth, history and sky.
We now know that great catastrophes are a fact of life on earth and the account of Noah's flood has a basis in fact. Catastrophes can come from the sky or from under our feet.
We now know that great catastrophes are a fact of life on earth and the account of Noah's flood has a basis in fact. Catastrophes can come from the sky or from under our feet.
The epic of Gilgamesh also contains a flood legend. In fact flood legends are found in almost every myth of the world's peoples lending credence to the possibility.
The epic of Gilgamesh also contains a flood legend. In fact flood legends are found in almost every myth of the world's peoples lending credence to the possibility. | Source
The message in the Bible and elsewhere tells of the end of an age and not the earth itself. The earth goes through periodic renewals and this runs throughout myth. 2012 will be no different.
The message in the Bible and elsewhere tells of the end of an age and not the earth itself. The earth goes through periodic renewals and this runs throughout myth. 2012 will be no different. | Source

Much of what is contained in the Bible links to the sky.

Before one delves too deeply into this subject, it is important to understand the basic cosmogony of the Bible. The Bible, like any other writing regarding the cosmos, contains views on the cosmos and humanities relation to it. This presentation is not a religious tract, but an analysis of influences that caused such a book to become written. Since the New Testament received much of its influence from the Greeks, it contains the cosmological theories of Ptolemy. This is made abundantly clear in the Revelation. Therein one will find a description of the heavens that contains a great crystalline expanse, the center of which is described the holy of holies. This parallels the idea of crystalline spheres in the geocentric cosmos of the Greeks. But there is one important clue that may be a carry over from Proclus. The Holy of Holies has the description of the sun. Proclus was a Greek astrologer who held the heliocentric view as opposed to the more popular geocentric cosmology of Ptolemy and his followers. This view persisted for more than 2,000 years, holding sway over the Catholic Church until 1992. There are three main influences to the Bible. They are the Torah; the Law of Moses derived from Egypt and ancient Persia, The prophets and the Greek philosophical influence. Elsewhere in the Bible lore we find more clues about the cosmos as viewed by the writers and from their direct experience.

In the Old Testament, the first great creation event is described in discrete stages in the birth of heaven and earth.

* The Earth is formless and void in the beginning. It is dark. The Sun has not yet lit the early creation.
* Then the spirit of God (Elohim Plural, Hebrew) moves upon the waters.
* Then the light is created in the form of the Sun and Moon, day and night. Light and darkness are separated.
* Then a firmament (something that's spread out overhead) is created to divide the waters, some below and some above the firmament. The firmament becomes heaven.
* Dry land appears in the midst of the lower waters. So was born land and ocean.
* Next came the plants.
* The narrative continues with the creation of the stars that signify the times, seasons and years.
* Now we have a repetition with the creation of the Sun and Moon, as well as the stars. This is an important hint.
* Fish and animals make their appearance.
* The final creation act was the birth of the first humans.


Christians tell us that the Earth is a mere 6,000 years old. Science says it's more like 4.5 billion years. So, how can such widely divergent figures come to some sort of agreement? Reading a little further in Genesis, other creation events are described. Looking to the evolution of planets, the Earth in particular, we find a cycle of destruction and rebirth of 5,000 to 7,000 years. This is what has been found in connection with widely destructive impact events. That correlates well with the Biblical 6,000 year timing. When we hear that about 6,000 years is the extent of "this world," it further lends support to the idea. The Earth is not formed from scratch. It is described in the narrative as "being without form and void," an excellent description of the world in chaos after such an event.

Prophets, including Jesus, describe God variously as a self enfolding amber fire descending from the north, an invisible and omnipresent "force" or a character with traits expressed in animal or human terms. God is also described as something no man knows. We see only the effects of God and the so-called "backward" side. Jesus is often described as the Lamb of God, slain before the foundation of the world (Aeon from the Greek for age).

Regardless of the various attempts at describing the unknown, God always orders the universe in hours, days, seasons, years and eons. Creation takes on a discrete order. Within the Bible we find reference to astrology when we read,

"The heavens declare the glory of God: and the firmament showeth his handiwork Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard. Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof... "
Psalm 19:1 - 8

Elsewhere, one can read a typical description for the timing associated with astrology.

"To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;" Ecclesiastes 3;

Astrologers use what are called houses in the division of a horoscope. When it is recorded what Jesus spoke, he described mansions, another word for houses. He describes these as being located in heaven where God dwells. Hindu astrologers still use the term mansions.

"In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also." John 14:2,3

The Bible attributes the creation of cosmic timing to God and that these times are derived from the sun, moon and stars.

"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years; And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and I was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and morning were the fourth day." Genesis 1:14-19; Genesis 17:21;18:14; 21:2

In Revelation, we read of a woman standing on the moon with twelve stars on her head, a clear reference to Virgo. There are references to Scorpio in the same book. The seven lights and candles are a reference to the known planets of the period. Then there are the terrors inspiring visions of cataclysmic destruction.

The Bible of Christianity is filled with catastrophism of, well, Biblical proportions. Consider for instance;

"And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter." Revelation 8:8 to 11.

One reference is of a comet hitting the ocean and staining the oceans by stirring up sediment and the massive killing of sea creatures. Sea transport is also described as suffering. The other is the effect of poisoning the fresh water with "wormwood" which may be a reference to cyanogens from an impacting comet or even a result of acid rain created in the aftermath of a major impact.

Consider the prophecy of Peter in 2 Peter 3:10 and 12;

"The elements shall melt with fervent heat."

Also;

"Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven; And he overthrew those cities, and all the plains, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground." Genesis 19:24,25.

This seems to describe an impactor that is a carbonaceous chondrite due the presence of "fire and brimstone (sulfur), which is typical of such a meteorite. This is why nothing remains except sulfur as such an object would have burned almost completely up after the catastrophic impact. The "attack" came out of the sky and obliterated the cities and plains! Today, the region considered being the location of Sodom and Gomorrah is desolate and in a depression filled with salts.

Lot and his daughters fled to the mountains before the destruction event. Later the story goes on to recount that the devastation was so great that the daughters of Lot thought they were the only people left on Earth and tricked Lot into having sex with them in order to have children and perpetuate the race. Evidence exists for a major impact around the time that this story originated. This destruction could have severely decimated the human race to the point where inbreeding became necessary by widely separated pockets of survivors.

Another legend that abounds in other cultures too is the following account.

"In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights." Genesis 7:11

"The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven were restrained. And the waters returned from off the earth continually:" Genesis 8:2,3.

Both of these refer to a catastrophe that generated mountain swallowing tsunamis and the subsequent continual downpour for weeks after the event. A comet or meteorite of large size struck the oceans and "broke them up". There is no other clue to the nature of the impactor. Flood legends abound across the breadth of the Earth.

"So there was hail, and fire mingled with the hail, very grievous, such as there was none like it in all the land of Egypt since it became a nation." Exodus 9:24.

Here is described a peculiar, even miraculous event that results when an impactor strikes the ocean, in this case, apparently in the Atlantic Ocean. Water in the sea was either instantly vaporized in the billions of tons or disassociated into free oxygen and hydrogen depending on the distance from the impact. Away from the explosion, perhaps thousands of miles distant and safe from the tsunamis, there would be violent hailstorms, with lightening triggering the recombining of free hydrogen and oxygen from the disassociated water. This is described as a rare event at least in the time frame of Egyptian history.

"Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcasses, and the mountain shall be melted with their blood. And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling from the fig tree. For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment." Isaiah 34:3-5.

Here is a reference of a huge slaughter that resulted from an impact. This is clear from the "sword that comes down from heaven. Comets often took on the appearance of swords to those who saw them in the heavens. Even as late as the 19th century, comets were depicted as great swords in the sky, ready to hack apart the planet and bring great calamity. It is seen as a curse and a judgment from God. The streak of fire as the object burns in the atmosphere on entry, reaching down to smite the ground or sea, could very well be reminiscent of a sword dropping down from the heavens. As for the heavens rolling apart or together as a scroll, we can see this metaphoric description most clearly in large hydrogen bomb tests. Large impactors likely produce similar effects when the objects penetrate the atmosphere.

"And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a great wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places." Revelation 6:12-14

This describes an event that caused major earthquakes on a large scale, so much so that mountains were leveled and whole islands disappeared and new ones sprung up. The impactor in this case would have been on the scale of something like 10 kilometers in diameter or hitting at high speed. The results can obscure the sun, although the reference to the sun and moon describe eclipses, which suggest that planetary alignments figure in triggering such terrible events. The skies departing as a scroll is a beautiful description of how an impacting object would literally roll back the atmosphere, creating concentric and rapidly expanding shock fronts from the impact site. Atomic tests in the 1950s and 1960s gave us some appreciation of this.

Let us not forget Jesus' warning;

"And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken." Luke 21:25.

This describes a warning for the future based upon the firm knowledge of the past. With our knowledge and recent proof in 1994 with Shoemaker Levy impacting Jupiter, the evidence is overwhelming concerning our tenuous position on Earth. We need to look up, look carefully and consider the shaping influence and might of Jupiter, even now and for all time. These are just a few descriptions of sacred writings. There are others in the Bible and elsewhere. There has been much speculation from ancient times about the role of Jupiter in all this.

In early Genesis we are told that the earth was without form and void. Then creation began anew. In fact a few creation events are described in Genesis. The Bible also states that the earth will be recreated again in phrases such as a "new earth and a new heaven" described in Revelation 21:1. What can we expect of something the size of a mountain hitting the Earth? It depends on what type of material it is made of, how and where it hits, the speed of impact and the size. An Iron meteorite of such size would have devastating impact, bring the earth into ruin and chaos. These types do not dissipate, surviving through the atmosphere even in relatively small sizes. A small nickel-iron meteor about the size of an averaged sized two-story house created the crater in Arizona. If the impactor were a carbonaceous chondrite, much of it would burn up after impact and contribute to the carbon dioxide content of the atmosphere. Stony material will survive but may be difficult to distinguish from earth rock except for the presence of rare elements and sulfur. A comet, being made mostly of ice would leave almost no trace by way of a large crater, but other traces would be profound. Small ones would explode like an atom bomb in the atmosphere, such as the event in Tungeska Siberia on June 30th, 1908. This event left no crater or residue, but flattened trees in a radial pattern for a hundred miles wide. Larger comets, 3 km or more can do almost as much damage as the other types of impactors but may leave an insubstantial crater compared to asteroids of the same size. Any of these hitting an ocean, which has a 71 percent chance of occurring, will generate mountainous tsunamis that would wash over the highest mountains of earth with ease. So much ocean water would be vaporized and disassociated that there would be a downpour of rain and or massive hail for weeks or months planet wide and fires in the atmosphere sparked by lightening that triggers the burning of free hydrogen. The burning hydrogen of course would ignite anything that wasn't flash scorched by the initial approach of the impactor.

The angle of impact is important and determines whether or not there will be antipodal volcanic outflow on the opposite side of the planet. Large impactors hitting more or less in a radial line to the center of the earth will cause massive exploding volcanic activity on the opposite side of the Earth. In addition, the traveling supersonic atmospheric shock front will converge at the antipode creating tremendous havoc at the place of convergence, where the atmosphere crushes together in a type of implosion. Everything there would be instantly crushed. A skidding impact will cut a swath of destruction for thousands of miles, but will not create an antipodal volcanic outburst. This is why some large craters have antipodal volcanic shields and others do not. The angle of impact is important. Most impactors come in at angles near 45 degrees just by the law of averages. Antipodal volcanism is a sign of the angle of impact and/or the direction from which the earth was struck. We can thank the influence of Jupiter on the remaining solar system debris for these impacts. Since there are still a lot of leftovers out there, we can reasonably expect more impacts of all sizes for the balance of the Earth's history. There will be many more new earths and new heavens, unless, we smarten up and do something about it and prevent huge Jupiter inspired catastrophes from occurring. In the context of present profit motivated civilization, this seems unlikely. Jupiter's dominion still holds unchecked.

The Bible contains within its passages, descriptions of the grand fixed cross, not to be confused with the Roman means of punishment. This cross is in the skies consisting of Taurus, Leo, Scorpio/Aquila and Aquarius.

"Then I looked, and behold, a whirlwind was coming out of the north, a great cloud with raging fire engulfing itself; and brightness was all around it and radiating out of its midst like the color of amber, out of the midst of the fire. Also from within it came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance: they had the likeness of a man. Each one had four faces, and each one had four wings. Their legs were straight, and the soles of their feet were like the soles of calves' feet. They sparkled like the color of burnished bronze. The hands of a man were under their wings on their four sides; and each of the four had faces and wings. Their wings touched one another. The creatures did not turn when they went, but each one went straight forward. As for the likeness of their faces, each had the face of a man ; each of the four had the face of a lion on the right side, each of the four had the face of an ox on the left side, and each of the four had the face of an eagle . Thus were their faces. Their wings stretched upward; two wings of each one touched one another, and two covered their bodies. And each one went straight forward; they went wherever the spirit wanted to go, and they did not turn when they went. As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, like the appearance of torches going back and forth among the living creatures. The fire was bright, and out of the fire went lightning. And the living creatures ran back and forth, in appearance like a flash of lightning. Now as I looked at the living creatures, behold, a wheel was on the earth beside each living creature with its four faces. The appearance of the wheels and their workings was like the color of beryl, and all four had the same likeness. The appearance of their workings was, as it were, a wheel in the middle of a wheel . When they moved, they went toward any one of four directions; they did not turn aside when they went. As for their rims, they were so high they were awesome; and their rims were full of eyes, all around the four of them. When the living creatures went, the wheels went beside them; and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up. Wherever the spirit wanted to go, they went, because there the spirit went; and the wheels were lifted together with them, for the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. When those went, these went; when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up together with them, for the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. The likeness of the firmament above the heads of the living creatures was like the color of an awesome crystal, stretched out over their heads. And under the firmament their wings spread out straight, one toward another. Each one had two which covered one side, and each one had two which covered the other side of the body. When they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of many waters, like the voice of the Almighty, a tumult like the noise of an army; and when they stood still, they let down their wings. A voice came from above the firmament that was over their heads; whenever they stood, they let down their wings. And above the firmament over their heads was the likeness of a throne, in appearance like a sapphire stone; on the likeness of the throne was a likeness with the appearance of a man high above it. Also from the appearance of His waist and upward I saw, as it were, the color of amber with the appearance of fire all around within it; and from the appearance of His waist and downward I saw, as it were, the appearance of fire with brightness all around. Like the appearance of a rainbow in a cloud on a rainy day, so was the appearance of the brightness all around it. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD." Ezekiel 1:4-28 NKJV

Nor is the above, the only cross in Biblical cosmogony. There are at least two others. One is that of Moses whereupon he raised up a looped serpent up to the heavens on a pole as a protection agreement provided by God in order that He would prevent death from poisonous serpents provided the Israelites looked upon the brass or fiery serpent (see Numbers 21:8,9). This was done because the Israelites had sinned and murmured against God. The other is where Jesus, the mythical Son of God is raised up on a cross as a sacrifice so that God would return the favor by the forgiveness of sins. This parallels the snake lifting of Moses that protected people from their sins and is clearly noted in John's gospel in Chapter 3, verse 14. Moses is also a parallel to the Mesoamerican equivalent of Orion. Upon this constellation is a metaphorical cross with a looped serpent. The cross is the intersection of the galactic equator and the zodiac. The Heart of sky is the intersection upon which the snake's coil is superimposed. Orion also figures prominently in Egyptology.

It is clear in the narrative that a cosmogony is involved that relates to humanity and influences them totally. This is just the "tip of the iceberg" as far as this cosmogony goes. There is much more. This is a study in its own right. Some of it also agrees to the findings of contemporary astronomy, particularly where great earth changes are involved, and humanities total dependence upon and influence by the cosmos is concerned.

Acknowledgement

This work is co-written by myself and W. F, Raymond, who provided the inspiration for this series.

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theastrology 4 years ago from New Delhi

Nice information!!


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Jay C OBrien 2 years ago from Houston, TX USA

This is a very good summation of repeated catastrophes. You also mention regeneration via incest (Noah and Lot). I propose the mental and physical problems we have today are as a result of incest long ago. What do you think?

Also, what about Ezekiel's description of something mechanical flying out of a cloud? Was this a description of an advanced technology?


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syzygyastro 2 years ago from Vancouver, Canada Author

Incest is certainly a source of a lot of problems within humanity today. The most recent example is with Queen Victoria and intermarriage with the Russian royals that lead to the development of haemophilia. As for the mechanical wonder in Ezekiel, an alternate explanation lies in the nature of the heavens and the way we see them. Consider a planisphere or an orrey and you will get a better idea.


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Jay C OBrien 2 years ago from Houston, TX USA

An out take above stated:

"According to astrology, the four fixed signs, which also formed the crucial solar transit points in ancient times, are Taurus, Leo, Scorpio and Aquarius. Except for Scorpio near Aquila. if we take the symbols of each, they match the cherubim."

Am I to understand that Ezekiel is expressing astrological symbolism? To what end?


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syzygyastro 2 years ago from Vancouver, Canada Author

The answer to that question is contained in the Bible itself:

“The heavens declare the glory of God: and the firmament showeth his handiwork Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard. Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof. The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes. Psalm 19:1 - 8

and;

“And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. Luke 21:25

There are of course, more where that came from.


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Jay C OBrien 2 years ago from Houston, TX USA

It is my understanding that this Hub is about The Bible and Astrology, Astronomy. Clearly you have demonstrated that The Bible is written with the stars and planets in mind.

My question is what do passages of violence have to do with the stars? Is the author justifying the actions depicted in The Bible? Why does Ezekiel say:

"And the Lord said unto him,... And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house." (Ezekiel 9:4-6)

Is this just a metaphor? If so, why give it? Why would anyone say to kill women and children? The depiction of God is indefensible, yet it is supposed to be, "Scripture."


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syzygyastro 2 years ago from Vancouver, Canada Author

Indeed! Part of the message of the stars is about wars and conquest. No matter what kind of society one has, there will always be the influence of planets like Mars, Saturn and Uranus. The moon has also been implicated in conflicts. Planets for patterns and these patterns acn influence for good of evil.

“I am the LORD, and there is no other; There is no God besides Me. I will gird you, though you have not known Me, That they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting That there is none besides Me. I am the LORD, and there is no other; I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the LORD, do all these things.'“ Isaiah 45:5-7 NKJV

A reading of Ecclesiastes would do well to explain things as well. A popular song was written called "A time for every purpose under heaven" is based on Ecclesiastes.

To everything there is a season, A time for every purpose under heaven: A time to be born, And a time to die; A time to plant, And a time to pluck what is planted; A time to kill, And a time to heal; A time to break down, And a time to build up; A time to weep, And a time to laugh; A time to mourn, And a time to dance; A time to cast away stones, And a time to gather stones; A time to embrace, And a time to refrain from embracing; A time to gain, And a time to lose; A time to keep, And a time to throw away; A time to tear, And a time to sew; A time to keep silence, And a time to speak; A time to love, And a time to hate; A time of war, And a time of peace.” Ecclesiastes 3:1-8 NKJV; Acts 11:28

Also understand that the system of Judaism is based on the Kaballah, which is ancient Jewish mysticism of how the entire creation works. There is certainly plenty of tragedy in the world and the verses you point out suggest that God encourages it. This is where the matter gets tricky and one has to look to extra-Biblical sources for answers. We are certainly not told everything there is out there. For one thing, not everything ever written in that place and time made it into the Bible. No two Biblical translations are the same either. To fully grasp all of this, you need to delve into the hidden mysteries, kept out of the view of most.

What is presented to the careful reader can be confusing enough, which is why it should trigger more questions.


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Jay C OBrien 2 years ago from Houston, TX USA

You began by saying:

"Indeed! Part of the message of the stars is about wars and conquest. No matter what kind of society one has, there will always be the influence of planets like Mars, Saturn and Uranus. The moon has also been implicated in conflicts. Planets for patterns and these patterns acn influence for good of evil."

Are you saying the movement of planets actually affects us for good or evil?

Should God/The Ideal/Yahweh/Allah ever be depicted as violent?


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syzygyastro 2 years ago from Vancouver, Canada Author

Did you not read the quote from Isaiah? Does not the moon raise and lower the tides? Where would any of us be without the sun? These are the profound miracles that most take for granted. God is behind it all and is beyond the comprehension of mere mortals like us who scratch a living on the earth for a mere 70 or so years in a cosmos that is so ancient, it practically defies understanding. What is good and evil? What some would call evil, others call good. Are animals that devour other animals to curb hunger evil as a result of killing another? We need to get beyond relativism in order to come to terms with things absolute. There is an old saying that the planets impel, they do not compel, but alas, here is the catch: you must be aware of the specific nature of times to do this.

Consider the flood of Noah. Was this not violence on a planetary scale? I understand that humanity had become exceedingly evil and were thus taken out in destruction. All life was affected. But the act of the flood was a violent occurrence that impacted all of nature on earth. The earth often goes through catastrophe and we are seeing more and more of it these days, which some see as the end times.

Not only is there the flood, but there was the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, brought to ruin by fire and brimstone. But Abraham bargained with God to spare the cities if just five just people could be found in the entire population. Only four were found and the cities were reduced to cinders from the sky. Some folks think it was a nuclear strike, but that is uncertain.

Humanity is diffidently a cruel and sadistic species, doing things no animal ever does. Sometimes it can be argued that God is fashioned after our own understanding, which is violent and cruel. But elsewhere we read that God causes the sun to shine and the rain to fall on the just and unjust alike and that God is no respected of persons. The invisible actions of God are mediated through the visible world.


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Jay C OBrien 2 years ago from Houston, TX USA

"You Are Gods," by David H. Ehl is a good read on this subject. Read beyond the personal account pp. 1-31. Here are two chapter heading: Chap. 10 "God is not that Psychotic!" and Chap. 11 "The Disappearance of Hell."

I read the book and agree with different phraseology, "God is not schizophrenic!" God, the ideal, is never violent.

Edgar Cayce is worth some research. See website: Edgar Cayce A.R.E. Cayce postulated a multiverse where Earth (our dimension) contains more free will that other dimensions.

Here are some ideas about Cayce's Astrology.

The word Astrology is a misnomer; it is actually Cayce’s Cosmology. Perhaps a better description would be: multi-dimensional life readings. The universe is actually a multi-verse through which the soul travels. The soul is an energy force, energy field or light body which passes through different dimensions for education and enlightenment. The light body is the sum total of all the sojourns through the various dimensions. The most recent dimensions travelled affect the light body the most. The dimensions were labeled with planetary names to distinguish one dimension from the other. The soul travels to different dimensions not to the material planets. Traditional aspects between planets in the birth chart give little or no clue to the most important planets which will exert the most influence as indicated by the readings.

What do you think of David Ehl and Edgar Cayce?


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syzygyastro 2 years ago from Vancouver, Canada Author

There will be a soon to be released hub on reincarnation that deals with such topics. You may wish to read that when it is up.


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Jay C OBrien 2 years ago from Houston, TX USA

"God is not schizophrenic." God, the ideal, is never violent. Both my brother and my father were paranoid schizophrenics so I am sensitive to the subject. I have observed my relatives prone to sudden outbursts and "acting out." The Flood and other natural disasters are part of the mechanism of this Earth dimension and do not occur in the other parts of the multiverse postulated by Cayce.

Edgar Cayce founded A.R.E. (Association for Research and Enlightenment). Cayce postulated a multiverse where Earth (our dimension) contains more free will than other dimensions.

Yes, The Bible uses astrology. In the Cayce view the names of the planets are used to designate the various dimensions. Besides gravity the physical planets do not affect the physical Earth.

I am interested in your further comments about Edgar Cayce and A.R.E. I invite you to read the Hub, "Cayce Proved Jesus."


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syzygyastro 2 years ago from Vancouver, Canada Author

At this time it is difficult for me to post anything here as there is plenty of interference by parties unbeknown, I will get back here ASAP when the problems of jamming are rectified,.


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Jay C OBrien 2 years ago from Houston, TX USA

You may also wish to read the Hub, "The Cause of Dracula." It does have a bearing on the subject.


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syzygyastro 2 years ago from Vancouver, Canada Author

Edgar Cayce is an interesting figure was nicknamed the sleeping prophet for prophecies he made while in trance. Some prophecies he made have not come true, at least not yet, nor in the timeframe he suggested. Perhaps we misunderstood. His remote healing fared much better. His statements on reincarnation, astrology, the Bible and the like, are fascinating, but some of these are hard to prove. On the other hand Mme Blavatsky made an accurate prophecy in regard to documents unearthed in the mid 20th century, would shake the foundations of Christendom. This was half a century before the Qumran and Nag Hamadi finds.

As I understand it, Dracula is based on Vlad the Impaler, who fought against the Ottoman empire, using horrific techniques of torture, one of them based on the Roman practice of staking anyone in opposition to Roman order. Vlad was part of the Holy Roman empire and was located right on the front lines of two clashing empires.


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Jay C OBrien 2 years ago from Houston, TX USA

Yes, Cayce was nicknamed, "The sleeping Prophet." However what he really did was a form of telepathy as to the firm intent of individuals. If the people followed their intent the "prophecy" came true. See Hub pages, "My Telepathic Experiences." Cayce also did medical readings which are on file with A.R.E. The reason I am interested in Cayce is I have done medical readings even as he did. Both he and I have a very high hit ratio.

"The Cause of Dracula" is a Hub page and has nothing to do with Vlad the impaler.


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syzygyastro 2 years ago from Vancouver, Canada Author

I'm glad to hear you are doing healing like Cayce. I have also been involved in healing, though unlike anything Cayce did or what established medicine suggests. I managed to help a friend half way around the world survive and overcome typhus. I work on other issues too. Nature can be strong medicine if you know how to use it. I'll check out you hubs.

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