Channelled messages but who or what are being channelled? Angels or Demons?

Spirit guides, demons, aliens or what?

Listening to inner voices is something most, if not all, people can probably do although many would not admit to being able to do so because they might be thought of as being "nuts" if they admitted to this. And it is true that mentally ill people often are plagued by voices talking to them and telling them what to do. It is a classic symptom of schizophrenia.

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But ask yourself: do you have an inner voice? If so is it always the same one? Can you talk to yourself internally? Have you ever heard voices?

Is there somewhere in your mind that you can hear speech or music? Think of a friend's voice or a song you like. Where are you hearing them? What is playing or making that inner sound or words?

But, whilst many people would not wish to admit to having inner voices, other people are only too happy to reveal what voices tell them. Some cults and books and belief systems are based almost entirely on spirit messages or "channelled" communications. Some people become very financially successful through telling others either directly or via books and recordings what they say they are being told by other beings.

There are people who are known as "mediums" who receive messages that only they can hear. These messages are said to be from spirits of the dead, from spirit guides and also from ETs and "ascended masters". The religion of spiritualism is based around mediumship and believers contacting the deceased via the help of a medium.

In paranormal research and the wide area of New Age beliefs and literature there are a vast number of channelled texts, information and people who claim to be channels. In the Bible there are dire warnings and threats against this interaction with familiar spirits.

Leviticus 20:27
A man or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death; they shall stone them with stones; their blood shall be upon them.

Deuteronomy 18:10-12
There shall not be found among you anyone that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire,or that useth divination,or an observer of times,or an enchanter or a witch,
11 or a charmer,or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard,or a necromancer.
12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

Cults such as Unarius were built around Ernest L Norman and Ruth Norman aka Uriel's channeled messages from "Space brothers." Wikipdeia tells us:

"The founder, and subsequent "channels" and "sub-channels", have written books filled with channeled dissertations from alleged advanced intelligent beings that exist on higher frequency planes. Over 100 volumes have been published since 1954."

At one point Ruth Norman believed that a fleet of spacecraft from the various planets of the federation she was channelling were all going to land one on top of the other on her land and build a tower of ships with each one representing the culture of a specific planet. Sadly it never happened!

I mention that because it seems very important to me to note that so much channeled info fails to come true if it is a prediction or conflicts badly with other such information meaning that one version at least is a lie, or simply isn't true.

The excellent book The Gods of Eden by William Bramley looks at how humanity has been led astray and kept prisoners over the millennia by other-world beings who interact with us and give us messages, religions, prophesies and rules and regulations. These beings can appear as angels, as aliens, as gods, but in all cases, according to Bramley, they are acting as our "custodians". We are their captives. We are living in a manipulated and controlled human zoo.

The book Oahspe was channelled via automatic writing to and through John Ballou Newborough. It is called "A New Bible." The old Bible would find fault with it straight away seeing as it has been channeled by spirits.

Infamous occultist Aleister Crowley channelled much of his work including The Book of the Law. This book was said to have been dictated to him by a being calling itself Aiwass.

Personally, I do not trust inner voices or most channellings, nor do I trust what mediums may say. In many years of research and experience I have seen very many examples of where the messages have not been true. It is clear to me that the "spirits" can be liars, tellers of partial truths, or are merely inventions of the channel or medium communicating their words.

Much of what is called channelled material does not actually communicate anything new, no new information, but is just a remix and rewording of what others have said or written. Much of it is couched in long descriptions and tends to have the same form of terminology.

You will find many references to "illusion" and "density" and "vibrations" in channelled messages, and possibly some information about Atlantis to spice it all up. It is easy to get bored with channelled messages. I say this because it has happened to me. I have read far too many similar-sounding passages in assorted books over the years. I am waiting for someone with something different to have their say.

Why are there so many people channelling "ascended masters" or going one better and actually claiming to be ascended masters?

Who are the real ascended masters? Can we believe them? Why are they all male? Why are there not ascended mistresses?

So where is all this stuff coming from? Why is so much of it unreliable? Is any of it to be trusted?

I am sure quite a lot of stuff that comes over is a projection of the ego, the desires and the imagination of the person channelling it. I am also certain that vulnerable people can be controlled by a medium or psychic in the same way that people will listen to a priest.

Peggy Kane has a new spin on the subject. She has followed on from the idea put forward by David Icke and others that there are harmful reptilian aliens operating from another dimension that control people and affairs in this one. These beings are the equivalent of demons or evil spirits.

Peggy, however, claims that the vast majority of all beings that are communicating psychically to people are in fact reptilians. She even says that Icke himself has been got at by these beings.

Peggy uses a system known as EVP or Reverse Speaking to get to the truth.

Many years ago I was a Scientologist and came across a term in L Ron Hubbard's work that for me explained where some of these voices came from. He uses the term "demon circuit" which "takes over a portion of the analyzer (analytical mind) and acts as an individual being."

This made sense to me because spirits that speak to and through people are acting as "individual beings." But are they really? Or are they parts of the medium communicating?

Hubbard gave the advice, I remember reading, that if you have such a demon circuit that it is a bad idea to talk back to it or listen to it because doing this just strengthens it. Hubbard also talks about "valences" which are like adopted personalities and identities.

I had a friend who died about ten years back, whose real name was Tony but he called himself Merlin Starr. He was diagnosed as schizophrenic and spent a lot of time having psychiatric treatment. He was involved with some spiritualists from Swansea and Cardiff. At one point he produced a book of writings and geometric drawings that he said was channeled to him by the archangel Raziel.

At around that time he also nearly starved himself and was put on section at a local hospital. Several years later he died. I would think due to the harmful effects of all the psychiatric drugs he had taken. I don't know what happened to any of his writings but none of it was a good advert for how to live or the benefits of listening to "angels" or to any of his "mystical" advice.

Most importantly of all I would suggest: how do we know whether any spirit being or inner voice is who it says it is? How do we know if we can count on believing these "beings" and messages? How is intuition different to listening to an inner voice, or is it different?

Are we talking to parts of ourselves? Are we talking to good ETs, guardian spirits, spirits of the dead or are we listening to demons and harmful ETs and other dimensional beings? How can we test the spirits?

I believe very much in telepathic communication as a reality and in the reality of ET races who normally communicate this way, so in many ways I am all for this form of communication whilst at the same time also very wary of accepting what is being said as the truth.

I often think that humans as a race might do a lot better at sorting our very real problems out if we cut out listening to other-worldly and divine messengers and forgot about prophecies good and bad and about the threats and penalties that all religions and cults are keen to hand out. It all looks like a control system to me but who are the controllers?

© 2009 Steve Andrews

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Green Lotus 6 years ago from Atlanta, GA

Great perspective Bard. It rings true to my spirit when you say, "spirits that speak to and through people are acting as 'individual beings.' But are they really? Or are they parts of the medium communicating?"

I've been thinking about that a lot lately, having done a lot a research and pondering about the Holographic universe paradigm, so this adds food for more heavy thinking. I like that. Thanks.


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Bard of Ely 6 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you for posting, Green Lotus! It is a massive subject and I just touched on it there but it is amazing how much channeled info is out there and people are being controlled by or influenced by in one way or another!


pgrundy 6 years ago

Wow, you really nailed this, and you had me laughing out loud in several places. I'm fascinated by this phenomenon, but like you, I haven't seen much content that impressed me--not from mediums or channelers or any of the lot.

I had a freelance project to write about a woman who talks to ghosts (she is an advisor on the TV show 'Ghost Whisperer'). She seemed like a nice enough lady, and sincere. She worked with James Van Praagh a lot, so I read their books, and I thought (from the books) wow, this is amazing. I mean, tho books are full of stories of their amazingly accurate 'readings' and a talks with dead people. There is some of this in my family, so he had my attention.

So I looked up videos of JVP on the net and I couldn't believe what a buffoon and a huckster he was. He said things like, "I'm seeing a J, do you have a relative with the initial J in his name? How about P? How about H?" It was so freaking lame. He was clearly just bilking grieving people for money. Great hub, Steve, I'm with you on this one.


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Bard of Ely 6 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Glad you liked it, Pam! I am a lot less fascinated than I once was! Some of the channeled messages are just plain daft like the stuff that CJ did a hub about regarding the Crowley channelings about the Khabs being in the Khu! lol

http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/The-Khabs-...


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DennisBarker 6 years ago from Newcastle Upon Tyne,UK

writng as someone who trained as a spiritualist medium and channeller a few ears ago I can relate to some of this, i take everything with a pinch of salt. Sometimes I trust the source of what I say/write, sometimes I do not and filter it out.I've always had a strong inner voice so I'm very clear about who I am and that is the key to channelling. Knowing what is me , and what is not.


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Bard of Ely 6 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you for your feedback, Dennis! What you say is important because I think it is vital to know what is you and what is not if you open yourself up to receiving and transmitting such material.


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ethel smith 6 years ago from Kingston-Upon-Hull

A great read but I am still unsure


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Bard of Ely 6 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thanks, Ethel!


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Amanda Severn 6 years ago from UK

A friend of mine dragged me along to a local spiritualist meeting a while ago. Like Pam, I come from a family with a strong inclination towards so called 'second sight' and intuition, so I'm fairly open-minded. The meeting I attended brought no surprising revelations, and I wasn't too impressed by the medium's abilities, though maybe she was just having an off day. If we go fishing around in the deep pools of our imaginations who knows what fantastic creatures may tug the line, but I suspect that most of them really are just the stuff of dreams.


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Bard of Ely 6 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you for your feedback, Amanda!


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Becca's Blog 6 years ago from A Cornfied in the Midwest

EVP's are most interesting when the respondant appears to answer a question. Sometimes we have to 'read' too much into what is being said to have it make sense at all. Not sure what it all means. Wish little voice in my head would tell me winning lottery numbers...


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Bard of Ely 6 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

I am personally not at all convinced by Peggy's EVPs either but I agree with her that certainly a lot of the beings on the other side are not who they say they are and not to be trusted. I think that basically that just as people here can be liars so too can the same spirits on another plane. To expect a spirit to become automatically truthful and honest just because they lost the physical body would be asking too much!


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DennisBarker 6 years ago from Newcastle Upon Tyne,UK

Bard, my approach is that its a 50/50 deal but i am responsible for what comes out of my own mouth, even if I'm officially channelling some other being. Often I upgrade the filtering system to be 80% me and 20% other being if I'm unsure. anything that doesn't sound reasonable to me gets filtered out at that point which is reasonable, and protects my reputation as well as my client.

I don't do very much voice channelling these days as I'm too busy selling kitchens most of the time.


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Bard of Ely 6 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thanks for explaining, Dennis!


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Georgina_writes 6 years ago from Dartmoor

Interesting hub. I've visited mediums a few times, and only once found the information reliable and meaningful. The rest of the time I'd equate it with pgrundy's experience.

However, I've had some pretty unusual experiences happen to me over the years, so the jury's out.


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Bard of Ely 6 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

I have had loads of unusual experiences too but not enough to convince me of the validity of most channeling or mediums as reliable sources of info.


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Dr. Marie 6 years ago

I enjoyed reading your Hub. You make a lot of sense. I am a medium, but do not consider what I do as channeling. I really don't like the label "medium", but I guess it fits. I have had my abilities all my life. I don't try to convince anybody of anything. I just try to help people if I can. :) Thank you for a great Hub!


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Bard of Ely 6 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you for posting, Dr Marie!


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marcel285 6 years ago from New Zealand

Reptilians are definitely the dictators on earth i think, but possibly another species is governing them?? Or are they the leaders? If the queen IS one of them, then they are probably superior?

But aliens arnt the only ones to worry about are they? Deamons exist among them, although some aliens are demonic..

When i was younger and sillier, i did a ouija board. This brang forth 2 deamons whom harrassed me until my spiritual mother got rid of them.


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Bard of Ely 6 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

I think demons and 'evil' aliens are often the same beings. I have just been watching a long but fascinating video of Bill Ryan of Project Camelot in which he talks at length about the reptilians and how he has heard they are controlled by some really weird silicon-based ETs and that the reptilians lost their own world amongst other stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic70cVN5IdQ


Rainbow Serpent 6 years ago

I have read various channeled works, and listened to channeled voice sessions. I am not convinced that an actual entity is being channeled. The material is too general and the same over and over. However, channeled material that has been published does sometimes offer great insights, if the material is actually true. Much of it contradicts itself. I think that people may be channeling alternate selves or fragments of their own personality. The reverse speech analysis is interesting, but Peggy Kane's predictions did not come true from what I can summize from research. I find the Pleiadian channelings interesting, especially Barbara Hand Clow's, but I guess I won't believe entirely until an entity speaks through me that I can clearly identify as something other than myself.


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Bard of Ely 6 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

The problem is who is the "self"? How does one identify a voice from a part of us to a separate entity? Is it wise to listen to voices if we cannot be sure of who they are? Can you set up a conversation in your head and hear the voices? Think of the voice of someone you know well or a famous star - can you hear that voice? I can and I can say OK, I created all that so it is from me. But how far does this go? It is why I mentioned Hubbard's idea of "demon circuits." People who are unable to stop voices in their heads are labelled schizophrenic and they may choose to listen to what is said or not. Where are their voices from? Why do they so often prove of no help at all to the person hearing them if they are parts of the self? On the contrary such voices can be a torment.

As for channelled material entire cults can be built around such stuff but that doesn't make it true. I was researching Elizabeth Clare Prophet recently and she claimed to channel St Germaine but some people hold that she was a fraud. Personally I think it is easy to do. It is easy to channel something or other and give it a name, and it is easy to get other people to listen or read what comes through. Problem is if the source of the material is an evil or lying spirit surely it is a bad idea to pay attention to it, and equally if it is a fantasy creation of the channeler's mind but also not real then isn't it a waste of time believing in it?


MAZOE 5 years ago

I HAD AN AMAZING EXPERIENCE WITH A YOUNG GUY CALLED EDWIN COURTENEY. THE ONLY PERSON I HAVE EVER ALLOWED TO DO A CHANNEL FOR ME, IT TOOK ME FORTY FIVE YRS TO FIND SOMEONE TO TRUST THAT WAY. HE DID NOT KNOW ME AT ALL, HAD MET ME ONCE WHEN I SOLD HIM A TICKET TO A GIG, NO CONVERSATION WAS ENTERED INTO. AND WHAT HE CHANNELED, JUST BY HOLDING MY HAND, AND NOT ASKING ANY QUESTIONS WHATSOEVER, WAS ASTOUNDING, PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE.

THERE IS NO WAY HE WOULD HAVE KNOWN WHAT HE SPENT TWO HOURS TELLING ME AND DID NOT CHARGE ME A PENNY. THERE IS A HUGE ANTI8 MOVEMENT AGAINST PSYCHICS, MEDIUMS RIGHT NOW. SO MANY I AGREE ARE FAKES OR DO NOT HAVE THE STRENGTH/ABILITY TO DO WHAT THEY CLAIM TO DO. BUT I DO FEEL THAT THIS CAME FROM THE METEORIC RISE AND POPULARITY OF THE SPIRITUAL PATH, SO MANY PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO EARN A FAST BUCK LEAPT ON THE BANDWAGON.

THERE ARE TRUE CHANNELLERS OUT THERE ETC, BUT THE NEED TO TAKE UTTER CAUTION, RESEARCH THEM, NEVER ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS CONCERNING YOURSELF OR ANYONE AROUND YOU, NO TRUE PERSON NEEDS ANYTHING FROM YOU. TEST OUT THEIR ENERGY AND THEIR PSYCHE, DO THEY SEEM STONG?, GROUNDED? WELL MENTALLY ETC? TO TRULY KNOW WHAT IS COMING THROUGH I BELIEVE YOU ALSO NEED TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT IS OUT THERE TO. I SEE AURAS AND LUCKILY FOR ME I CAN USUALLY SEE A FAKE A MILE OF.


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Bard of Ely 5 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thanks for sharing!


Channeling Spirit Messages 5 years ago

Dear Bard,

We agree with your position of it is very difficult to tell who is channeling what exactly? Is it the unconscious mind? Is it the fantasy life of one's, albeit somewhat fantastic imagination? Is it a form of mental illness or is it a variable expression of normal human brains?

All humans with functioning brains (even the blind and deaf) can talk to themselves in an internal voices and see mental images without being in a dream state or psychotic; and then there are dreams and 'lucid dreaming' experiences which offers more of the same.

Who, if there is anyone qualified to be an expert on the immense variety of the human experience to offer a reliable, believable, authoritative opinion, can say what another experiences is real or not? A neuropsychiatrist? A priest? An average joe?

However, what a person can say is what they experience is real to them - just observe their physiology. For example, a rape victim who has a flash back of being raped has immediate recurrence of the physiological changes of fear as if it were happening again, yet it was only a memory. Tell that to her heart and shaking hands.

As as a physician who has examined hundreds of hospitalized psychiatric patients with mental illnesses, I can say it is difficult to know who is seeing what. But frankly, as long as the hallucinatory and delusional worlds that others experience are not 'ego dystonic' - a fancy word that means people like his or her delusions and internal experiences and are NOT bothered by them - doctors seldom get to see these, let's call them 'creative' individuals to offer an objective opinion.

Yet, doctors, scientists and visionaries have intuitions, hunches, premonitions, visions, dreams, gut feelings and act on them too. To desire to Avoid Being Duped is common financially, socially, emotionally, and and perhaps the reason for the hubpage. But, all who have an experience of the Divine or have an unwanted out-of-body experience, let alone a undesired-and-unasked-for stress-induced psychotic episode, will tell you that their life has been forever altered by the profound experience. Interestingly, historically many world cultures and religions have used psychotropic substances to purposely experience the Divine and channel.

Perhaps our suggestion could be… why not begin write now to channel your own messages of your truths for others to read. Who cares if they agree with you? One needs only to follow his or her own heart to know if one is on the right path - for them.


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Bard of Ely 5 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal Author

Thank you for your detailed feedback, CSM! I do publish my thoughts on many subjects but would not wish to channel messages from any inner voices. In my understanding your thoughts and conclusions are different to spoken voice messages. I do not trust spirits or such inner voices.

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