God and Gravity

Gravitas....Veritas

A very perceptive hubber dropped on my lap the rather tantalzing conjecture, apparently posited to him by Sir Stephen Hawkings (the noted astro-physicist) in a half-awake dream, that Gravity was the only "entity" present before and at the moment of the "Big Bang". The concept that God was in fact there in the beginning, the "initiator" of all things that is in the universe, have always been the core belief of theists. SO THE QUESTION ARISES, IS GOD AND GRAVITY A CONGRUENT ENTITY? Both as an astro-physical as well as a meta-physical REALITY?

The run-of the-mill conjecture can easily be discarded either because the human mind that may have initiated it is feeble or diseased. Mr. Hawking's mind is neither. The hubber, who thought he was just being made the conduit for such a tantalizing conjecture, I believe is intellectually well intentioned.

For this particular conjecture to be given serious thought by serious people, it should be plausible enough, in the context of current astro-physical thinking. For this conjecture to become a concept it should be inferred in ways that it does not escape into the realm of the purely metaphysical. For this concept to be composed into reality, it should be meaningful, purposeful, and finally truthful to the human mind that initiated it to begin with.

I believe that this conjecture proposed above is one of those that could in fact travel the process of conceptualiztion to composition, without being degraded along the way. But effectuation? I seriously doubt it.

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OpinionDuck 6 years ago

This is a great example of a word meaningless circle, sort of like the visual I get looking at a M(o)bius Strip/

I did a hub on nothing, really nothing.


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A.Villarasa 6 years ago from Palm Springs Author

Opinionduck:

I am so disappointed that you found nothing of substance on this hub... gibberish all!!!!!!!!

And I thought I was on to something earthshaking. Oh well

back to the drawing board.


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BJBenson 6 years ago from USA

My thought is someone is always stirring the pot. I would rather believe it is a higher power then the power of an apple falling from a tree.Interesting thoughts with big words. I think He ( Sir Hawking) may have a great mind,but I think we all do if only we would use it.

Just keep writing and have fun with it.


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A.Villarasa 6 years ago from Palm Springs Author

BJBenson:

Thanks for dropping by and sharing your thoughts. I must tell you though that gravity as per Sir Isaac Newton's Laws was not only responsible for that apple falling from the tree but that it is also responsible for holding everything in the universe in their proper pre-determined places ( proper orbits around a sun, in the case of the planets). I of course share your view that a higher power does exist i.e. God.


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Daniel J Brereton 6 years ago from New York, NY

Who says that the positions of all things in the universe are proper and/or predetermined? There is no higher order to the universe.


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A.Villarasa 6 years ago from Palm Springs Author

Hello Daniel:

Let me see now: if the earth was any closer to the sun, do you think life would have evolved on earth?

IF the moon was any further from the earth, would we have the tides , that regulates the ocean current, that give rise to the clouds, rain and snow... what we call weather.

If the earth did not rotate on its axis would we have night and day, 365 times a year?

So of course there is order, not only in your immediate universe(earth and you, and your family, and your community, and your country on earth.

Now you said, there is no higher order, so is there a lower order in the universe?


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Daniel J Brereton 6 years ago from New York, NY

There is order because as humans we actively search for ANY hint of meaning in ANY circumstance. Notice that my comment did not state that order was nonexistent, but rather that this perceived order is neither proper nor pre-determined. In response to your examples, who says that the year has to be 365.25 days and does it really matter? are the tides necessary? is life necessary? The universe would exist without humans in it, so the order of particles and entities in the universe doe snot matter at all.


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A.Villarasa 6 years ago from Palm Springs Author

Hello Daniel:

Thanks for dropping by again, and so soon too.

Of course you are right when you say that humans actively search for meaning, and in the process, because of their sentient, volitional and creative nature, also applies not only meaning but also purpose and verity to everything that comes their way.... which of course includes the question of whether God exist or does not exist. God's existence, physically, could never be proved or disproved, but in the process of conceptualizing God, humans applied to the concept, a meaning,purpose and verity. Once he has done so, then God takes a form not just transcendentally, but closer to reality, a reality that is not materially based.

You are also correct when you say that the universe would exist without humans in it. But what would the universe be if it exist, and no one to put any meaning, purpose and verity to it. An existence that is utterly futile, so why even bother?


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Daniel J Brereton 6 years ago from New York, NY

I do agree that through discussion and human interaction and reflection on religion humanity does give a more realistic nature to God. This is the purpose of organized religion.

To put it bluntly, there is no point to life. Humanity's existence in the universe is minuscule, it has no effect on the grand course of all things. Furthermore, why do you think it is necessary to insert meaning where there is none?


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A.Villarasa 6 years ago from Palm Springs Author

Daniel:

So what you are bluntly saying is that the existence of the Universe has no meaning. Since you are part and parcel of that material universe, are you then saying that your LIFE HAS NO MEANING?

I am so disappointed with the formulation. Have you ever told your parents that them being involved mutually in the act of procreation that resulted in YOU, did not have any meaning, purpose or verity?


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Daniel J Brereton 6 years ago from New York, NY

the purpose of life is to create more life, but yes, there is no reason for me to be here just as there is no reason for anyone to be here. if my life were suddenly and instantly extinguished then the universe as a whole would continue on in the same way as before. there is purpose in my parents procreating, so please do not fall into that logical fallacy. just because there is no reason for anything to exist does not lead to there being no reason for procreation. take for example a board game. there is no real necessity to play the board game. in the game however, the players willfully and purposefully make moves. following your logic, the moves made in the game are purposeless because there is no purpose in playing the game. in latin this is "a dicto secundum quid ad dictum simpliciter", a.k.a. the converse accident or hasty generalization.


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A.Villarasa 6 years ago from Palm Springs Author

Daniel:

I am just following the linear trajectory of your debating points.

You said that the purpose of life is to create more life...it does not make any sense to me or to any other resonable human being that anything or anyone would make more life if its/his life and the life that preceeded its/his life did not have any meaning purpose or truth?

We are not talking about a board game here, and to analogize human existence to a board game is I think silly.


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Daniel J Brereton 6 years ago from New York, NY

as a note: logic does not always follow linearly, that is where fallacies arise

That is why sane human beings do not think the way i have laid out: it is the complete opposite of life's purpose. If we were all to think that life had no purpose then we would not create more.

I am not necessarily comparing life to a board game, but rather the actions brought about by life.

I think the best way to end this is to agree that we each have opinions and the right to such. I would like to thank you for this excellent debate we have had!


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A.Villarasa 6 years ago from Palm Springs Author

Daniel:

I always appreciate differing points of views... and you certainly expressed yours lucidly.

Drop by anytime. You are always welcome to peruse some of my other hubs.

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