Conscious Life After Death

Is There Life After Death?

"That one lives on in a spiritual dimension after one's body dies."

This is an important belief for some individuals. The teachings of some religions base their whole message on this assumption. It's the premise for sin, forgiveness, good, bad, the very existence of God. Heaven and Hell have no meaning without the presumption of life after death.

Some would argue that only by having a belief in Life After Death can one aspire to lead a good life and avoid committing a crime. Also, that the fear which comes from the idea of hell and punishment is what holds one "on course," to lead a good and worthy life.

Whether the above is true or not has been described as 50:50 odds.

I don't accept those odds of 50:50

I am 100% certain that after the death of mine, and your bodies, when there is no brain to function, no circulatory system, there will be none of the individual consciousness remaining. The lump of meat will break down into the elements and molecules, to be taken up again, sooner or later, by other life forms.

If there is a metaphysical element, an energy, a spirit, whatever you wish to call it, then it will not be anything pertaining to this life, "me."

The analogy is of a wave on the surface of the water. The wave manifests, then declines. The water of the wave joins the ocean. A NEW wave arises, possibly containing water from the previous wave, but not necessarily so. It's a new entity. The old wave existed momentarily then vanished for ever. Finished. Complete. Likewise with anything which gave life to my body and brain. The same thing happened to that person spoken of, called Jesus. His body dissipated in the same way. Like that of the ant; the horse; the bacterium; the oak tree. The physical body exists for a short time, then vanishes, forever. Unique. Never to be repeated in exactly the same form.

So -- no 50:50 for me. And with this realisation, out goes any "God," or "Jesus," or any imagined "life after death." It continues in the bacteria, insects, worms, etc., yes. But not "of this which is Me, right now."

What do I base this understanding on?

When I have had to undergo a surgical operation, and I have been given an anesthetic, I have never known the moment when I lost consciousness. Oblivion just happened, instantaneously. There was no warning, no feeling of "going under." For the duration of the operation I was totally unaware of anything. Yet, I DID NOT KNOW I WAS UNCONSCIOUS.

I would never have known I had been unconscious if that state had been continuous, without end. The only way I know I had been unconscious was the fact that I woke up and, deduced from the clock on the wall, and the people around me, that I had been unconscious for a certain length of time.

What did it feel like when I was unconscious? Nothing! No Thing!. No consciousness. No sense of sight, or hearing, or smelling, or tasting, or touching. Yet I cannot imagine being unconscious.

Death will be exactly the same. I become No Thing for ever more. Eternity. Infinitely, meaning unmeasurable.

How does this play out in my life?

Well, it means I need to concentrate on this Here and Now. Stop wasting time with the religion and arguing unfathomable questions. Give my all to those around me, and the opportunities presented every moment. At least this is the intention, the goal. Being so lazy sometimes, I will have to work hard at it!


What Are Our Options?

Personal choice is, of course, paramount. No one of us has all the answers or all of the knowledge with which to make final, conclusive decisions about life, now or in the Here After.


Personal history, background, cultural attitudes, discomforts and agonies being experienced, threats to life and lifestyle, etc....all these can make a difference to what each of us individually believes.


Good will, humility, Love in the true meaning of the word will carry us through the disagreements and allow us to be supportive of our neighbour. The genes within our cells mean that we are truly brothers and sisters, there is no such thing as "race," and it's cultural variations which define us more than anything else.

There really is more than enough room on this planet for all of us to live side by side.

© 2012 Alan

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jonnycomelately 2 months ago from Tasmania Author

Stas, thanks for taking the time and trouble to respond to my hub. You are entitled to your beliefs, as I am free to express my own understandings and points of view here.

Here are my own points of view in relation to yours:

You and I, and all humans,are animal. Period. We have bodies, brains, blood systems, biological processes all related to each other and in many respects very similar. So do plants, so do bacteria. Yes, humans seem to be unique in their ability to use mind-power. We have very advanced and sophisticated memories. We can observe, deduce, reason, manipulate our perceptions to suit our needs and the circumstances in which we find ourselves.

Yet there are things which we cannot do but other species can do. For example, watch a bird flying rapidly through the trees or bushes. It never hits the tiniest twig or leaf. It lands precisely on the branch it chooses. We would blunder through a forest and trip over a log that's staring us in the face!

Each species of each living organism develops its faculties to ensure its best chance of survival. I contend that we humans do the same. In fact we can (and have since our beginnings) adapt very well to a wide variety of habitats and, in some cases, extreme climates and terrains. Hence our success at survival.

I can see the likelihood of some kind of intelligence which could have brought our physical world into being. I wonder and marvel at all I perceive around me. (This is a gift of our minds - we are allowed to marvel, allowed to enjoy the manifestations of our senses, in a way that other species don't. We cannot be sure what they perceive, there is no way that we can communicate sufficiently to ask them.)

One trick of our human minds, when we wish to explain something that is, to all intents and purposes in-explainable; this trick is to use metaphor.

You, Stas, have used metaphor when you say "love." As a word, that "love" has no meaning. But then you use "justice," because you don't quite know what you mean when you say "love." You get muddled and have to bring in an in-explicable concept like "God," "The Devil," "Hero," "Soul."

Your "Beliefs," Stas, are yours alone. The pictures you have in your mind of God, and Justice, and Hero, and Soul, are not exactly replicated in the minds of anyone else. You have built up those pictures to suit your own ideas and what you want to believe.

I have my own ideas, and they suit me for the time being. If at some point I wish to change my views, based upon new information that comes to me, I will do so....without needing your permission or that of anyone else.

This is the Journey. Each of us is free to explore for as long as we live and have consciousness.

I wish you well on your journey. Keep your eyes, ears, taste buds, olfactories, epidermis fully alive to new things. Enjoy it, for there is no second chance.


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stas karimov 2 months ago from Republic of Belarus

I decided to learn English. The best way to do it is to read English-language articles.

«I am 100% certain that after the death of mine, and your bodies, when there is no brain to function, no circulatory system, there will be none of the individual consciousness remaining. The lump of meat will break down into the elements and molecules, to be taken up again, sooner or later, by other life forms.»

Do you want to be rich? Then you have to sing like Michael Jackson. But why do you not sing like Michael Jackson? No, you just can not sing like Michael Jackson because you do not have the talent to sing! Can you create something from nothing?!

You have the body and any animal has a body. A human is anyone who has the ability to love another person. An animal can not love another animal.

Animals do not want to understand what is justice! God is love. God is justice. Our love must be eternal. Our love has no body. The devil can not love someone.

Only а soul can love. If you disclaim а love you disclaim а soul. If you are fighting against God, you are fighting against love. If you are fighting against God, you are fighting against justice. Jesus Christ is the Hero. Have you seen a heroes among an unbelievers?


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jonnycomelately 10 months ago from Tasmania Author

Thank you Jo. That open mind binds us in friendship. I also "live on a hill surrounded by trees," bit of a fire-risk here in the Eucalyptus forest of Tasmania, but I can cope with that. It's the eco-sensitive and eco-logical way of living that attracts me. In its way, this is the only means by which I can honour a "god-given world," without getting into any argument.

Wishing you well in that garden.


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jo miller 10 months ago from Tennessee

I read once that the first step in accepting God is accepting that you aren't, i.e. that there are some things that are still unknown, maybe unknowable. God is just a word we humans have made up to explain this great unknown and I'm always a little skeptical of those who do 'know' these things--100% certain.

I do agree that living in the here and now and not wasting time arguing unfathomable questions is important, but this post (and my comment) seem to be defying that very good advice.

By the way, I came to this post by way of a forum discussion on HubPages that was a great waste of my time this morning, something I don't usually do. But I liked your comment there and like the looks of some of your articles.

Have a good day.


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jonnycomelately 18 months ago from Tasmania Author

@ colorfulone, your choice to believe is fully respected. Thanks for visiting.


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jonnycomelately 18 months ago from Tasmania Author

@TheBizWhiz, thank you so much. Your own hubs are very worth reading too!


TheBizWhiz 18 months ago

This is an awesome Hub. You are a very good writer.


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colorfulone 20 months ago from Minnesota

Interesting hub to read and the comments section is as well.

I believe in life after death and I am comfortable with that.

Peace!


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jonnycomelately 24 months ago from Tasmania Author

@Misterhollywood, thank you.


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misterhollywood 24 months ago from Hollywood, CA

Powerful hub and very thought provoking John!


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Kiss andTales 2 years ago

You welcome thanks for your kind reply.


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jonnycomelately 2 years ago from Tasmania Author

Kiss & Tales, thank you for your comment.

I feel you are right about us not having control over the future. Simply, it never arrives, so let's stop worrying about it.

Instead of being so concerned with what might happen to us in that ethereal idea of an "after-life," just concentrate on doing and being the best "I" can accomplish right here and now?

Give so much thought and worry to that after-death experience and dream land, and you will avoid/ignore/neglect your responsibilities in the Here and Now.

Concentrate fully on here and now, in your own life, and that can have an enormous benefit to your satisfaction with life.

Sure, give a little consideration for tomorrow, learn from the past, apply all your skills and knowledge to working out a reasonable plan for tomorrow. But don't bank on it happening. That is never a surety.


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Kiss andTales 2 years ago

To jonnycomelately I took the time to read your hub and you are a good writer ,you really express some good points I can relate to.

And I do appreciate how you bring out the condition of being unconscious . I really know how you feel about the subject of God and the future . But I think the problem with us is we are scared that we have no control of what can happen now or in the future , so people just set their minds on the worse .

But the future is not ours to control.

We are just invited .


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Che Rogers 2 years ago from Los Angeles, CA

I agree with most of what you said. There is many stories of those who are conscious after death. Near death experiences are very common so it's hard to discredit athiests, christians, Buddhist all having similar experiences of a light at the end of the tunnel and seeing people they are familiar with. Not to say this makes it 100% true. I do agree that when you die you are no longer the earthly form you once were. I like the analogy of the wave. Great example. I do believe in reincarnation and there are many scientist who are starting to find evidence of this in their studies through cell memory. Not only with organ donars but children who can describe their previous life and families. It's definitely something to think about in the grand scheme of things I think we keep coming back to learn different lessons. Whether there is life on the other side of death or not I still made up in my mind that living peacefully with nature and those around me is true happiness above all the ego and money o can obtain. My quality of life is true beauty and thinking about the afterlife only prevents me from focusing on the one I'm living now.


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jonnycomelately 2 years ago from Tasmania Author

Mo, thank you so much for your comment here. This Hub obviously has a life of its own, beyond my immediate influence. Very powerful.

In the list of linked hubs below my writings above, I don't know if you get the same list, there is a Hub, The Meaning of the Christ Allegory, by "garebaldi," (nickname). I have only got through a couple of pages, but it's well worth reading, in case you have the time.


Motown2Chitown 2 years ago

jonny, I found this hub very interesting...for a couple of reasons. I often pray that my eternity will truly be one of rest. There is not one thing on earth that I enjoy more than deep, dreamless sleep...and have hoped that beyond my death, that is what I'll know. I hear you saying many things tht I've contemplated myself. Very, very interesting and well done. A heaven of glory isn't the one I dream of. Eternal rest - that's for me. :)


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jonnycomelately 3 years ago from Tasmania Author

Slarty O'Brian ,

Thank you.... just shows these topics are never closed!


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Slarty O'Brian 3 years ago from Canada

jonnycomelately

My sentiments entirely. I'm not even sure I'd want to live for ever. I think believers really know what they are asking. Most people don't know what to do with the lives they have.


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jonnycomelately 4 years ago from Tasmania Author

RBJ, thank you so much for your comment. I had felt this Hub had reached it's use-by date, but obviously not. Thanks for the re-invigoration.

So glad you have the blessings of children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren. "The Salt of the Earth." I have none, but occasionally a young man or woman comes by me and needs a "Grandpa." That injects new life into me!


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RBJ33 4 years ago

jonny my friend - forgive me for my lateness - I am on a quest to visit each and every one of my followers, read selective hubs of theirs and comment. I certainly hope that what I am about to say doesn't reinvigorate those folks that so passionately debated this hub it the past. WOW such emotion. Isn't it curious how some subjects just get some people's juices flowing and bring out the best, and the worst in them?

My beief is similar to yours. I don't believe in life after death in the manner that religious folks do. I know I won't see my parents after my demise. I will just die. That's it, fini, gone. I do believe however that I will live in the memories of everyone I ever knew in this life until the last one of them dies.

I've done a great deal of work on my heritage, searching my ancestorial tree. I remeber my paternal grandfather and grandmother, but not on my mother's side because they died before I knew them. My point is that my paternal grandparents are still in my memeory, as well as my siblings memory, but they will be gone when my brothers, sister and me are gone. Between my wife and I we have 5 adult children, 15 grandchildren, and 7 great grandchildren. I would hope that the adult children and grandchildren will have good memories of me - but I haven't even met 4 of the great grandchildren.


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livelonger 4 years ago from San Francisco

We don't know anything about an afterlife, whether it exists and if it does, what form it takes, but it's clear that consciousness as we experience it as living human beings ceases when we die. I'm not sure why anyone would dispute that, except maybe they don't understand how science defines consciousness.


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jonnycomelately 4 years ago from Tasmania Author

Keeping your mind active and open, reassessing as you see fit, looking at all manner of possibilities and questioning them time and time again, this keeps us doing what we humans are best at: Living life to the full, here and now, and - pardon the expletive - bugger the unfathomable theories. Leave those for another day.


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Mark Knowles 4 years ago

JCL - Quite right. Dead is dead. Without a body to power our thoughts we are nothing.

I was hoping IM here could define this god-thing he claims exists. I get now that when he says "RE"birth he doesn't mean "RE"birth, but - I held out hope he would define the god-thing without simply attacking evolutionary biology.

Not sure why that makes "majik" the default myself. I was sorta hoping he could explain that as well.


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jonnycomelately 4 years ago from Tasmania Author

Well, gentlemen, it seems neither of your arguments amounts to very much at all. Neither will ever convince the other of his point of view.

Back on my original discussion point, i.e. the existence of Consciousness after Death, my opinions are just that...unprovable either way. Yet, I can continue to hold these views despite your parts in the discussion. Nothing either of you has said in anyway tempts me to change my opinion.

For me, there is NO consciousness for me after the death of my body.


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Insane Mundane 4 years ago from Earth

You said: "Dear me. lol Any time you want to splain your god - I am all ears. Sorry you don't understand basic biology. Must be majik."

Let me mock ya for a whole minute with this:

"Dear darling; LOL! Anytime you want to explain your single-cell amoeba religion of Evolution and how life spawned from nothing, I am all ears. I'm sorry that you don't understand basic life; it must be magic."

LOL!


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Mark Knowles 4 years ago

Dear me. lol

Any time you want to splain your god - I am all ears. Sorry you don't understand basic biology. Must be majik.


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Insane Mundane 4 years ago from Earth

The aspects that I don't understand about the Theory of Evolution are the things you and other evolutionists can't answer or provide a definitive reason for. ...And you tell me who is truly religious and how you want a definition of God... LOL!

By the way, in an earlier comment, I used the term 'rebirth' when speaking about nature and cosmic events, in parallel with the terms 'recycle' and 'death' and you took it way out of context and now demand a silly answer that involves walking dead people. I was hoping you had enough cognitive function to realize what I was talking about, but you took it way out of context, used God as a Straw man, and tried to fuse it into your religion, which doesn't surprise me. Yeah, I see who is the one that starts conflict; ha! Your religion causes many fights, to say the least.


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Mark Knowles 4 years ago

Still not seeing how "majik" is the default answer because you don't understand evolution and we do not have a definitive answer to the origins of life on earth.

Still not seeing a definition of this god thing either, nor do I see some examples of REbirth where something that is dead comes back to life by majik.

I ask a question, you say you don't understand evolution? Odd - this is why your religion causes so much ill will and conflict.

This is where you tell me you don't have a religion. lol


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Insane Mundane 4 years ago from Earth

Mark, you can't define the origin of life, now why do you expect anyone else to be able to - since science or religion can't do such things with actual proof or approved definitions?

Inability to understand your religion, oops, I mean Evolution?

Yeah, I have trouble understanding why no evolutionist can explain the missing link between Homo erectus and the Homo sapiens.

I have trouble believing that an ape-like being suddenly branched off and became a humanoid while all the other great apes, etc., just sort of hung around unchanged.

I have trouble believing that we all used to be sea creatures and/or a type of fish.

I also have trouble understanding that some wolf, cow-like or hoofed animal decided to go swimming and eventually became a whale (and I've read papers from both perspectives).

I most certainly have trouble understanding how all the diverse life that has ever existed on Earth, spawned from a single-cell amoeba!

I also don't understand why the Big Bang was so uniform and organized while any other type of explosion is anything but organized.

Being an Atheist requires WAY TOO MUCH faith, for me!

Hence forth my proclamation that I'm not an atheist, plus, that whole religion of yours causes enough trouble as it is, since you spend too much time attacking so-called "believers," while they have enough wars of their own; LOL!

Don't include me in your group of religionists.

This whole debate is futile...

We just end up with a bunch of frivolous nonsense.

I thought the title of this Hub was about Conscious Life After Death, not about how much you hate God concepts. But we all have opinions...

Ahh, the joys of the comment fields. :D


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Mark Knowles 4 years ago

lol - All I asked you to do was define this gid thing yiu say exists and give me some examples of RE birth.

You did neither and accused me of being "bitter" instead. But - good for you on spreading some more ill will.

Believers in god seem very good at that.Any time you want to answer my questioons - I will repond reasonably.

STill don't get why your inability to understand evolution means it was majik - where is the logik in that?

ciao


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Insane Mundane 4 years ago from Earth

You were trying to have a reasonable conversation? LOL!

You used God as a Straw Man, and you call that reasonable?

I never promoted dogma or any religions that you should follow nor does my way of thinking start global wars. I think you got me confused with Islam and Christianity or perhaps some other religion that you hate so dearly.

Yes, you admitted to being bitter.

Perhaps you didn't like it when I said I'm not an atheist. That's right, I don't follow that religion either.

Just never mind...

I can't talk to people that believe that they magically spawned from a single-cell amoeba.

You can't even answer simple Evolution-related questions, but yet you expect me to define the reason for our existence when you know that is impossible.

We might as well start debating on the "which came first, the chicken or the egg?" crap.

Have a great day, and good luck with that single-cell amoeba stuff. Ha!


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Mark Knowles 4 years ago

IM - Thanks for reinforcing my opinion of people who claim a belief in a God.

I was trying to have a reasonable conversation and asked you 2 reasonable questions - you replied with condescension and judged me "bitter" because I refuse to believe nonsense.

This is why you religious believers cause so many wars and ill will. Really - honestly - please stop.

Thank you.


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Insane Mundane 4 years ago from Earth

Mark, you sound like you have been abused!

What have I lied about?

I'm causing wars by being open-minded and diverse while not adhering to organized religions? LOL!

You got me confused with a group of people that obviously pervaded your sphincter in such a way, that you didn't like it anymore.

Here I was assuming that you were a rational being, now you are talking from your backside.

So, going by your misguided logic, YOU also cause wars - since evidently, it only requires breathing, by your standards; blah! What a shame...

Throw your books away and go outside and grab you up some nature, as you're in desperate need of animal education, for starters... We'll get to the other lifeforms and the cosmos at a later date, as you should progress one grade at a time, sweetie pie! :D


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Mark Knowles 4 years ago

Not a chance sweetir pie. I asked you 2 straight kwestions. You spoke garbage and accused me of being bitter.

But - it is true. I am bitter at religious liars such as yourself causing so many wars.


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Insane Mundane 4 years ago from Earth

Mark, I'm far from a religionist as I don't currently adhere to any organized religion nor do I support Heaven and Hell concepts. What you seem to miss (among many other things), is that my intuition forbids me from ignoring the obvious.

You want answers about a divinity while you can't even answer my seemingly simple questions, like I mentioned prior.

If you are so knowledgeable and believe so strongly in the Theory of Evolution providing your Bible of Human existence, please visit my Hub about the Missing Link and answer the question that nobody has ever answered.

Until then, go back to that mirror and look at the problem!


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Mark Knowles 4 years ago

I forgive you. I also pity you.

Little wonder you religionists cause so much hatred tho. Odd - I thought that was against what your majikal super being sed 2 do. lolololo,l


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Insane Mundane 4 years ago from Earth

Mark uses the "Straw Man" to his fullest; ignore everything else and pick out something you can relate to.

By the way, feel free to drop by my Evolution Hub and fill in the missing link that no other human has ever done...

In fact, why don't you describe the universe and the life therein?

Oh, you can't, hence forth your overgrown, childish comments as you are a flea that refuses to see the cosmos for what it truly is.

No harm done, as I'm almost beginning to feel sorry for you; I'd hate to know I had my head stuck that far up my ... Call a proctologist soon, as they may have found your brain!


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Mark Knowles 4 years ago

Mark: Please go get some linguistic help and possibly locate a dictionary that isn't located in the atheist library. Re-, as for "Re-" anything, equals: again; for a second time; anew; in a new or different form and, although it doesn't relate to this particular form of usage, Re- can also mean 'back' or 'backward'...

I can't give a "solid" definition of this God thing if you refuse to believe that life didn't spawn from nothing. Plus, maybe you have no reflection in a mirror, as that would explain a lot.

What started out as rational, as ended up being inane.

Why can't you realize how bias you are?

I bet you used to be more diverse and now, you are just bitter; it happens... :/

Ahhh - condescending garbage. Typical of haters such as yourself. Why do you hate those who don't beleive in majik?

Little wonddr you believers in majik cause so many wars, hatred amd ill will.

In "new or different form" now means "re" huh? LOLOLOLO

Any time you want to give me a solid description of your god that does not rely on me beleiving in majik - I am all ears.


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Insane Mundane 4 years ago from Earth

Mark: Please go get some linguistic help and possibly locate a dictionary that isn't located in the atheist library. Re-, as for "Re-" anything, equals: again; for a second time; anew; in a new or different form and, although it doesn't relate to this particular form of usage, Re- can also mean 'back' or 'backward'...

I can't give a "solid" definition of this God thing if you refuse to believe that life didn't spawn from nothing. Plus, maybe you have no reflection in a mirror, as that would explain a lot.

What started out as rational, as ended up being inane.

Why can't you realize how bias you are?

I bet you used to be more diverse and now, you are just bitter; it happens... :/


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Mark Knowles 4 years ago

Why would I ask any more questions? You completely failed to give an example of RE birth. New life emerging from dead things is not RE-birth. It is birth. The cycle of life, whatever you want to call it. Things die, new life emerges from that. RE birth requires a dead thing to come back to life.

Nor did you give a solid definition of this god thing you claim exists.

Once you have answered these I will happily ask mopre questions.

Thanks


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Insane Mundane 4 years ago from Earth

Hey Mark, I see that you still keep a check on things, which is always good.

Rebirth is not uncommon, if it never occured, everything would cease to exist upon death from the initial start - especially since no scientist can ever figure out where life spawns from. :)

Even if you think a single-cell amoeba created you during a war against the mighty trilobites, something still had enough sense to reproduce.

I wasn't talking about biblical stuff, actually, but yeah, that God thing as you say, is very imminent when you talk to yourself in the mirror, as you are looking at the problem and also the solution.

Rebirth in the Cosmos is also very natural. All stars are born from collapsing clouds of gas and dust, often called nebulae or molecular clouds. Nuclear fusion powers a star for most of its life. Stars similar to our Sun gradually grow in size until they reach a red giant phase, after which the core collapses into a dense white dwarf and the outer layers are expelled as a planetary nebula. Larger stars can explode in a supernova as their cores collapse into an extremely dense neutron star or black hole. It all recycles back into the energy from which it came from, forming, colliding, blah, blah..., but yet still expanding into the New.

I gave you a good example of this God thing, and unless you deny the fact that you exist, it should be pretty simple for ya to understand. I never spoke of a fairy God, now did I? I never spoke of magic, now did I?

By the way, I read all of the comments on this page and when you said "Ah - so you are enlightened JCL? You must be, because I cannot go to that place and still function in the "real" world. lol It takes me days to return from there and I am totally useless during that time." - It reminded me of something I thought about a few years ago. Going by what you said, there is no need for subliminal thoughts that produce sublime notions if they can't function in society via the mechanical rat race at hand, eh? Now that's funny, right there... LOL!

Please, feel free to ask more questions, as it is always nice to talk to a rational being with sound intellect and sincere queries...


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Mark Knowles 4 years ago

Hey IM - can you give me a few examples of "re-birth" when the dead thing comes back to life?

It would help a great deal if you could gove me a solid definition of this god thing you claim exists.

Thanks. :D


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Insane Mundane 4 years ago from Earth

This is one of those very interesting, highly debatable subjects that often entice comments ranging from baby babble to intellectually sound remarks.

However, regarding this Hub, I wouldn't rely on the state of being under anaesthesia as being your universal eureka when it comes to concluding that there is no conscious life after death.

Mother Nature and the Cosmos that surrounds us, demonstrates recycling, death and rebirth, on a regular basis.

With that being said, the belief of reincarnation is anything but preposterous. What about the soul?

The term 'soul' is just that. But what drives life?

If you think about it, as great as science is, the explanations of life often sounds way too mechanical as if we are all robots and when we die, the battery simply goes out and the electrical circuits no longer have current.

Medical science is yet to unravel the mysteries of the brain and how mind-over-body concepts exist, and the study of consciousness often leads to similar boogy-boogy situations like quantum entanglement portrays, for example.

I don't like dogma dung, as I'll tell ya right now, albeit I'm not an atheist and I'd like to say, as painful as it is, that we are all apart of this thing we call God. Perhaps I favor the Anthropic Principle to a certain degree, when I contemplate such things, but judgement need not play a role here.

I also strongly disagree with the "Hell" concepts out there, as it simply makes no sense whatsoever.

Oh, yeah, where in the hell is that soul? I know a lot of mystics, whether they failed or not and/or even if they are complete lunatics, often mention something about the Pineal Gland for being the host for such things. Your guess is as good as mine...

I know that whatever or wherever it is, proportion does not seem to matter.

Just think of the cosmos and like I always say, "I'm glad the universe is so vast, as my grand imagination permits such things..."

I would say more, but I figure I'll save it for the potential replies I get.

I will say that we are sort of like, in my opinion, on individual journeys via a gazillion tentacles from one being, each reaching out and feeling something different. Dang, no wonder this thing is expanding; ha!


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aguasilver 4 years ago from Malaga, Spain

But you managed it.... congratulations!


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jonnycomelately 4 years ago from Tasmania Author

Thanks... "Age shall not weary them!..." but my mind is not so fast, lol


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aguasilver 4 years ago from Malaga, Spain

Hi Jonny,

Open in edit, go to the comments box and in the box 'capsule settings' you will see 'Display most recent comments first' click that and you are done!

John


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jonnycomelately 4 years ago from Tasmania Author

Thanks John. How do I change the sorting? I went into Edit, but don't find any help there.


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aguasilver 4 years ago from Malaga, Spain

Hi Jonny,

Good clear hub on why you think as you do, I had the same dilemma, though for me it was on the hetro side of things, but that's for some other time.

Point being that a hetro has the same problems as any homo (and the sexual addition is left of both for convenience, not scorn)

Fornication is fornication.

Having seen Marks and others comments, and your guidelines, my comment is as follows.

We are a soul with a body, not a body with a soul.

Having said that, you hold a viewpoint I have also passed though, though you hold it in a purely physical sense and I held it spiritually.

Before I came to faith, I at one point concluded that we merged into, let's say 'the great spirit of everything', when we died, because at that time I would not nor could not identify it as God.

I assumed that because I had been experiencing spiritual encounters, non godly, for a period of time, and hence could not deny that there was a spiritual dimension to be considered.

The eventual realignment with Christ came from the recognition that if evils existed in spirit form, then good must also, and from a desire to realign my soul to the 'good' team. I was a defector rather than a convert.

The search and the ensuing battle led to Christ in my life.

I also try to live in the present, the past is gone, the future will never happen because it becomes the present in any case, so no point in worrying, any more than the birds in the trees worry, where we are is where we need to focus upon.

So my uptake varies from yours in that when I die, I see it as returning BACK to my spiritual existence, my soul will finally shake off this body and return home.

As for the hell aspect, I have long contended that hell as it is used in propaganda is a device invented by man, however I concede that God, if all powerful, must create a place to accommodate those souls who have rejected totally the concept of conjoining with Him.

To do otherwise would be unjust, and folk like Mark, who stand in horror that their souls may be forced to share eternity with souls like myself and DJ, need a place where they can be also.

The other category that needs that place will be those who by their actions have demonstrated that they really are bad souls of evil intent, who refuse Gods grace and will not turn away from evil.

Now I guess God could segregate these people by rank of rejection, however the primary point would be that they have rejected God totally, despite opportunities to reconsider, so it seems logical that they should be contained together in one mass of souls who have rejected God.

That MAY be 'hell', at least it may be less convivial than 'heaven'.

So I cannot agree with your opinion that we are set for annihilation, which is good, for should I ever reach that conclusion, come to realise that my efforts to widen my understanding here were to no avail, then I would surely have no restraint in how I lived and dealt with those who offended me.

Incidentally, it seems to me that your rejection was of Churchianity, not Christ or God, or at least caused by Churchianity giving you bad council concerning your sexuality and the options available to you, but that is just my summation.

Suggestion: Edit the hub and switch your comments setting to last to be shown first, then those commenting do not have to plow through every other comment to get to post.

Since I did that, my comments boxes are easier to manage.

Best wishes,

John


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jonnycomelately 4 years ago from Tasmania Author

This bit of humour is a great lubricant for getting on better together, so carry on folks.


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dungeonraider 4 years ago from United States

hehe. As soon as I posted 'siggy', cigarettes came to mind, too. Doh.


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Mark Knowles 4 years ago

LOL Sadly Mark gave them up some time ago (ciggies) but any time I converse with religious zealots, the cravings arise.


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dungeonraider 4 years ago from United States

Signature, that is, sorry, forgot where I was.


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dungeonraider 4 years ago from United States

LOL, Mark needs a siggy.


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Mark Knowles 4 years ago

No - I was simply pointing out that I thought you had deleted my comments, when in fact you just waited a long time to publish them.

Dear me. No wonder you Christians have been at war since your religion started. :(


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aka-dj 4 years ago from Australia

Is that an apology?


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Mark Knowles 4 years ago

DJ - I thought you had deleted it because it did not appear for more than 24 hours.

But - great job on catching me out. Is that what the bible says to do? See? - this is why I am not impressed with your religion dj. You claim to be following some sort of special moral code for god and all you can do is verbally abuse anyone who does not believe as you do.

On topic - if there actually WAS an afterlife - I am damn sure I would not want to spend it with people like you. lol


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aka-dj 4 years ago from Australia

I was not going to post again, as I said, however, I caught Mark out in an outright bold faced lie.

Just wanted to make that public.

Contrary to his claim, I have not deleted any of his comments on my hub so far. (Because he has kept his language civil.) That is not to say I won't in future, but that will be entirely up to him.

LIARS FOR WHO, DID YOU SAY?


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jonnycomelately 4 years ago from Tasmania Author

I have simply stopped this hub from becoming the to-and-fro argument, going over and over the same old christian/non-christian stuff which clogs up the other hubs.

If you cannot address the title of this hub with simply your own views about the subject, with some good explanation of your reasoning, then let's leave it there. I am quite happy to hear your debate on the subject but not the incessant argument.

Let me just clarify my understanding of that word: An argument is where each party already knows everything there is to know, and is not open to new perspectives. A discussion, on the other hand, is where each party has his/her point of view and set of understandings, yet is open to listening to knew input, even though there might be continued disagreement. Discussion involves usually a lot of mutual respect for the opposite point of view. An argument often allows for virtually nil respect.


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Millercl 4 years ago

So can I have my position ridiculed, but then ask Mark to make clear as to why he believes what he does, it gets deleted?

Perhaps you can tell me what about it did not add to the debate?


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Millercl 4 years ago

Mark,

You clarify semantics when you argue with folks who attack your position.

Why don't you answer the questions that I asked? Explain to me how everything came from nothing? Or give me your understanding of it?

Do I get your 'top arguments' if I simply choose to agree with you? Look, plain and simple is that you have no explanation for how something came from nothing and so on.

I have yet to see you put forth a positive position. It is because you are scared to defend yourself. I am not merely taunting here, I am willing to defend and give a reasonable defense of what I believe and why. You can read my hubs and see.

So Mark, whatever you put out next will reveal where you stand. Are you a coward picking on the believers who are inconsistent and unable to defend themselves or are you finally brave enough to answer a question?

Even in your hub about creation and evolution, you refuse to make a positive stance there. People who don't know better let you get away with equivocating 'Evolution is Fact' but you know what you are doing.

So put forth a positive argument for once.


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jonnycomelately 4 years ago from Tasmania Author

Thank you Mark. Your personal opinions, clearly stated, respected.


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Mark Knowles 4 years ago

Ah - so you are enlightened JCL? You must be, because I cannot go to that place and still function in the "real" world. lol It takes me days to return from there and I am totally useless during that time.

Our religious friend here is not going to be able to go there at all, because that means that Jesus was not the Son of God after all and there is no eternal life in paradise. Therefore saying the majik words "I accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour" did not get him what he thinks it did - eternal life.

I usually allow my arguments to reflect the person I am arguing with. Anyone who claims to love Christ more than he loves his children and says that although Jesus came back from the dead, he is not actually the living dead and tells me they feel sad for me because I say "fuck the Holy Spirit - it does not exist" and then prefers to get into a semantic argument as to exactly what "blaspheme" means - is going to get my bottom of the pile arguments.

My personal choice when I read the Babble is to imagine that each and every character - including the Big Guy - is actually an aspect of myself. Sadly - this means actual introspection and self-evaluation.

Still - as all good Christians are going about "doing unto others" all I am actually doing is what they have asked me to do. ;)


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jonnycomelately 4 years ago from Tasmania Author

The whole of Matthew 7:1 is about looking into my own motives for the answers to my problems with other people.

"Come unto me all ye who are heavy laden....." this is the message of all the enlightened individuals down through history. The "me" is the inner core of my being. The "I am." This moment in time, pure present existence. This is at the very centre of the wheel, the place, which cannot be defined, because it is infinite. This place is pure rest, still, no rushing, no doubting, no going places, no hate, no separation. Only One-ness.

When I learn to go into this place, which is available to me at any time I choose, it's like an infinite well of awareness, joining all things together in universal belonging.... Love itself.

From what I know of the teachings of Jesus, he knew this place. He was able to supply the nectar of understanding to all those who listened to him. Yet still there were those who mis-interpreted what he was saying. They could not see into the depths of themselves, because they were limited by their ignorance and were unable to see beyond their mental limitations. Jesus knew this was the case, and he wept.

This the antithesis of religion. It is Pure Consciousness.


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jonnycomelately 4 years ago from Tasmania Author

Must get off the computer right now, because it's gone 10am here. Will reply to you soon, thanks for your post.


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Millercl 4 years ago

jonny, I would like to hear you teach me what Jesus says.


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jonnycomelately 4 years ago from Tasmania Author

"....and foremost I love Christ." IN YOUR PROFILE my dear friend!

Yet you have not understood one iota of what your "Saviour" was telling you!

Your religion is on the surface only.


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Millercl 4 years ago

"You have not gone back into your deeper levels of consciousness to discover new understanding, new awareness."

huh?


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jonnycomelately 4 years ago from Tasmania Author

Guys, I have approved all of your posts so far, just to show you - if you will read back through your posts - how shallow your arguments become.

When you can only argue over what you think the bible tells you, quoting texts which you think are relevant, all you do is "quote." You have not gone back into your deeper levels of consciousness to discover new understanding, new awareness.

I have see you, and the likes of you, arguing ad infinitum, time after time, and getting nowhere.

Are you not interested in learning anything more? Are your minds stuck in a groove?

Intelligence begins with the knowledge that you do not know something, therefore you are able to ask a question. Then you open your mind to what you hear/see/feel. Then you accept or reject what you have understood.

If you know everything to start with, and refuse to allow anything beyond what you already know, then all you do is argue.

You get stuck in your own little groove of ignorance.


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Millercl 4 years ago

Bleh - My last sentence should be:

The difference between you and I is that I say, 'God did it' and you say, 'From nothing came everything.'


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Millercl 4 years ago

I would just suggest that simply denying the Holy Spirit is not what Jesus would consider to be unforgivable. In the Bible (Majik Book), Paul, a man who denied Christ and even killed His those who believed Christ, was given Grace by God and saved. (I would believe you are familiar with the story?)

But I don't think you are here to learn of thoughtful theological things.

Also, I am 'the one thinks everything came from nothing', and I have a rational, (even if you do not accept it) and consistent way to explain it.

The difference between you and I is that I say, 'God did it' and you say, 'Nothing came from nothing.'


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Mark Knowles 4 years ago

Mark 3:28-30: “Truly I tell you, people will be forgiven all their sins and all the blasphemies they utter. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin.

Ah - semantics - blaphemes, not denies. lol How is denying it's existence NOT blashepmy?

You are the one thinks everything came from nothing aren't you?


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Millercl 4 years ago

Mark,

Where exactly does my majik book mention that 'denying' the spirit is unforgivable?

I know you are referring to blaspheming perhaps, but that is a little more than just denying. Do you again reveal your ignorance of Christian beliefs? It is easy to make fun of people who will put forth an inconsistent belief system, but it is another thing for you to continue in naivety.

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I think clarifying and making sure you aren't tearing down straw-men is very productive.

Would you say the epitome of rationality is then suggesting everything came from nothing? Order from disorder? Life from non-life? Intelligence from non-intelligence?

You stand on the foundation of faith and disregard the steps you take to get there. It is sad.


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Mark Knowles 4 years ago

Denying the holy spirit is an unforgivable sin. Have you actually read your majik book?

I am going with "no".

And in answer to your question - smarty pants comments most certainly do make people think - yes. Certainly attempting to have a rational dialog with some one who thinks Jesus came back to life after being dead, but is not actually the living dead is rather non-productive. Instead I make sure you know exactly how the nonsense you speak sounds to those of us who can think.

let me know when you have bothered to read your book.


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Millercl 4 years ago

"Miller - sorry - that is what your religion sounds like to us educated people. Unless you are saying the son of The Father-God did not come back to life and The Father-God does not punish those who deny the holy spirit?"

I think some of what you put up is funny. But c'mon now, an 'educated man' like yourself knows full well that Christians don't believe Jesus is the 'living dead.' Neither should a Christian believe punishment is wrought by a persons disbelief, but because of their sinfulness regardless of what they believe. I know it takes a bit of work to learn and understand your opponents POV, but simplifying it and then ridiculing it is just lazy. (Though entertaining. As you have found out.)

"My intent is to help rid the world of superstitious fear-mongering religions that cause conflict and hatred. What is wrong with that exactly?"

Me too.

"And yes - I have had a bad experiences with religion and the people who follow it. This is how religion causes hatred and conflicts - it's self-righteous followers threatening eternal damnation for not believing."

I understand that. But do these smarty pants comments you make on the forums and hubs really rid the world of superstitious fear mongering? After reading a lot of what you put, it seems as though you have an affinity for your own pleasure and self righteousness?


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Mark Knowles 4 years ago

JCL - I am well aware why I am angry. And - yes - the advertising industry has based itself heavily on Christian advertising techniques. They were the first Saatchi & Saatchi. lol

Anger is a healthy response in certain situations. Why should I not be angry at people like dj threatening me with punishment if I don't believe the garbage he believes? I am not 10 years old any more. :D

As dj requested - I went to one of his hubs and commented. Now when I ask him exactly what I should fear - as he claims in it - he deletes my comments.

Liars for Jesus (TM) lol is an apt description of him.


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jonnycomelately 4 years ago from Tasmania Author

Mark, thank you for that response. It is good that posts such as yours are accepted here. There is a danger that we try to shut out views which make us feel uncomfortable.

As it so happens, I agree with your latest post. Some christian views I agree with. If only those which I agree with were allowed to be published, that would be very wrong, and would deprive us of a balanced outlook.

That superstitious fear-mongering is something which is very prevalent. Think of the industries in our modern world which depend on fear for their very existence:

Insurance; Sickness (they try to call it Health) industry; Journalism; Religion; Cleaning and sanitation; Pharmaceuticals; Cosmetics; etc.

Being utterly angry with any opinion or sentiment is allowed. It's good to look deeper and try to find the source of that anger in yourself.


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Mark Knowles 4 years ago

Miller - sorry - that is what your religion sounds like to us educated people. Unless you are saying the son of The Father-God did not come back to life and The Father-God does not punish those who deny the holy spirit?

My intent is to help rid the world of superstitious fear-mongering religions that cause conflict and hatred. What is wrong with that exactly?

And yes - I have had a bad experiences with religion and the people who follow it. This is how religion causes hatred and conflicts - it's self-righteous followers threatening eternal damnation for not believing.


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jonnycomelately 4 years ago from Tasmania Author

It's a preference thing. Either of us could be right or wrong. There might be other points of view which are equally valid and to be considered. What you and I accept as reasonable will be determined in part by our background experiences in life. I suspect Mark has had a bad experience at the religious, or something like that. I know that my trust in religion and the people that espouse it has dropped severly, although I still find some of their points of view interesting and worth considering.

My focus on the "here and now" suits my way of seeing things for the time being. One day I might see or hear something more, new informtion, which could persuade me to another belief. I hope that the points of view of others, including yourself, here in these Hubs will give me further food for thought.

We need patience, kindness, a desire to further knowledge and courtesy. Without these we might as well all shut up.


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jonnycomelately 4 years ago from Tasmania Author

Millercl, I have stated my point of view. Whether it "makes sense" or not is neither here nor there. It's my stuff. I am not suggesting to you or anyone what you should concentrate on, that is your business, your choice.

When you are dead, you will have no senses left. Therefore you will not know whether what you have believed in life is true or false.

Therefore, my choice is to disregard any suggestion of a "life hereafter," and concentrate on the present. My choice again, and you are not in a position to deny my choice.


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Millercl 4 years ago

@Mark

"therefore you started to believe in the zombie whose Daddy will burn you for not believing after you die lol"

I think it is comments like that turn anything intelligent you might have said in useless words.

I am not saying everything you post is useless, but you reveal your intent in sharing what you think. It just seems like you could care less for anyone else.


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Millercl 4 years ago

Jonny,

With a worldview like that, why bother living at all? Think of the pain and suffering that exists, the meaninglessness of anything after our existence and then you want to suggest we concentrate on the here and now?

It doesn't make sense and because you continue to allow yourself to live and possibly experience pain and suffering, there must be some meaning for you that doesn't exist empirically. (referencing, "As explained elsewhere, in other Hubs, I rely for the time being on sound logic as my 5 senses and my brain tell me is so.")


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jonnycomelately 4 years ago from Tasmania Author

Further to my previous post, dj-, I will leave Marks posts in, because I do see he has a point. Feel free to continue if you wish; hoping you can concentrate on my premise in the opening paragraphs of the Hub. If not, then I am ok with that and will probably let the Hub coast for now.


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Mark Knowles 4 years ago

No dj - you said yourself you would delete my comments. No wonder your religion causes so much conflict.

Still did not try and address the topic of the hub either - did you?

Best you could do is a veiled threat" What if you are wrong"?

Out of the infinite number of possible gods (assuming you accept the premise that one could exist - which I do not) - the likelihood of it being your vengeful, wrathful, invisible, majikal being who punishes his creations for not believing in majik seems pretty low lol

Apply a little common sense and you will see I am right.


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aka-dj 4 years ago from Australia

I see you prefer an audience to your comments.

This is my last post, here.


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Mark Knowles 4 years ago

As opposed to "You are going to burn in hell"? lolo

Or the guys you claim to follow "Whoever curses father or mother shall die"

How constructive non emotive you are dj. I know you don't care about me dj - that has been made clear from our previous interactions. Odd really - that is against your majik book and you will burn.


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aka-dj 4 years ago from Australia

Well Mark, all I can say is, to the best of my knowledge I haven't deleted any of your comments on any of my hubs. At least I cannot recall any.

Having said that, if your comments were anything like above, and the stuff you used to post on forums, I'm sorry, but I WOULD delete them.

They are non-constructive, emotive, verbal diarrhea.

If that's all you have left, go find someone else to demean. Someone who cares. :D


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Mark Knowles 4 years ago

dj - religious people such as yourself invariably delete my comments when I make valid points. I understand you just fine. You say in your profile that evolution is doesn't make sense to you - therefore you started to believe in the zombie whose Daddy will burn you for not believing after you die lol

JCL - after a couple of years of listening to how dj is saved and you are going to burn - you may change your tune. lol


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jonnycomelately 4 years ago from Tasmania Author

Thank you aka-dj. Yes, I do agree with you, and thanks for your respect. I feel that, despite our opposing views and opinions, a great deal of respect remains, why should it not?

I have not disallowed Mark's posts initially, because I fear that even the first rejection is the thin-end-of-the-wedge for censorship.

Mark presumably has some pretty deep anger in there... where the anger comes from is really his own business, but I have done some personal work in the past, dealing with the anger within. Mark, I suggest you look into that. Meanwhile, please be constructive and respectful of other opinions in my Hub. Failing this, I will consider deleting your posts.

Positive, intelligent, topical, constructive, honouring, tolerant, .... any other adjectives you can think of which will enhance our lives. Humour is fine if it's clever, but not if it insults.


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aka-dj 4 years ago from Australia

Thanks for noticing my post, Mark.

It seems I make you very angry, so you project that on me.

However, I don't need to repeat myself, in saying, it's falling on deaf ears. You are wrong about me,but you choose not to acknowledge that.

Thanks for keeping abreast of my hubs and profile.

One question; Why do you choose to engage me in this manner on other peoples hubs?

No-one is stopping you from doing it on mine. I'm up to 48 hubs, surely one is worthy of you disdain and derision.

My apology to you jonnycomelately for this, out of place discussion. :)


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Mark Knowles 4 years ago

LOL You Liars for Jesus (TM) really make me laugh dj. Ya think you are in a vacuum and the garbage you post in your hubs and on your profile are invisible?

Odd you chose not to try and discuss this article in any way shape or form. Instead you make a veiled threat that something bad will happen to you if you don't believe the nonsense you need to believe to get through the day.

No wonder your religion causes so many fights dj.

You must have re-done your profile because I don't remember you saying that the reason you believe in majik is because evolution doesn't make any sense to you. How funny. Got to admit - that made me laugh.


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aka-dj 4 years ago from Australia

Thanks Jonny.

I'm sorry you saw it as argumentative, religious and evangelical in nature.

My first post was simply my opinion on your hub. The rest you read between the lines. (Please re-read that post, with that in mind.)

I respect your point, and won't comment further on this Hub.

Thanks for the chat. :)


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aka-dj 4 years ago from Australia

Wow.

I posted one line, as follows;

"But, you could be wrong, even though you are convinced otherwise."

and you get all that from it? What's wrong with that sentence?

As for Mark, well, you call me angry all the time. Where do you get that from? Perhaps you are superimposing your own disposition on me. I don't know.


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jonnycomelately 4 years ago from Tasmania Author

Thanks aka-dj, I was trying to edit my reply to you of 40 hrs ago, but could not find out how to do so.

I wanted to simply put my position as being contrary to what you posted, i.e., you saying that I could be wrong, and I am saying it does not matter to me whether I am right or wrong, etc., etc.

The most important point for me is to leave all these important questions open and free to be considered by anyone, without judgement.

Opinions are fine, but leave the judgement out of it.


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Mark Knowles 4 years ago

dj - when trolls get their accounts banned - all the comments they made disappear.

Good hub - makes a lot of sense, so you will get a lot of angry religionists such as dj come along and threaten you with eternal pain for not believing in nonsense.


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aka-dj 4 years ago from Australia

I'm confused.

Were you addressing me, again?

Or, have you had another comment that you disapproved for publishing, and were answering that one?

Thanks. DJ.


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jonnycomelately 4 years ago from Tasmania Author

It does not matter if I turn out to be wrong. By that time I will have no consciousness, therefore no feelings of regret or anything else.

As explained elsewhere, in other Hubs, I rely for the time being on sound logic as my 5 senses and my brain tell me is so.

I have recognised your beliefs and your understanding of things, and I have shown respect. There is no intention or desire to change your perspective.

If you could show unconditional love and allow me to be right or wrong, without judgement, that would be a big step forward for you.


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jonnycomelately 4 years ago from Tasmania Author

Each to their own, with great respect.


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aka-dj 4 years ago from Australia

But, you could be wrong, even though you are convinced otherwise.

Being under anaesthetic, is described as close to death, but NOT.

I've been under myself, with the same experience as you. It seems that period of time did not exist in my life. But, I still have the exact opposite view on life after death.

Go figure! :)

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