Did Dead Saints, Rise From Their Graves, When Jesus Died On The Cross?

Night Of The Living Dead?

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04.20.2013

What's up How ya doing?

Here’s something that occurred to me a while ago. So I was inspired to hub about it.

But first, let me say this. I'm not trying to prove the Bible is true or false. I'm just taking an open-minded look at what's written in it and reporting what I see.

Some people find certain verses in the Bible, difficult, contradictory and hard to understand. But just shrug and say "oh well!", and go on their merry way. I'm not one of those people.

So here we go,


Jesus Cried Out In A Loud Voice!

"And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit. And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split. The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the tombs. After His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many". Matt 27:50-53

Don't you find this story interesting? I find it very interesting. I never hear anyone, believers or preachers etc. talk about his scenario. Dead saints rising from their graves and walking among the living, like zombies in the "Night Of The Living Dead" zombie movie! Woe! How many times, have some of you read this story and just kind of glossed over the dead saints rising from their graves part?

Isn't Jesus supposed to be the only person to come back from the dead?

Isn't that a major reason why Christians believe in Jesus?

Isn’t that part of what they say makes him different from anyone else in history?

.But here you have dead saints rising from the dead before Jesus does! Uh Oh! Houston! I think we have a problem.

Why don't Christians and preachers talk about this incident? Why do they skip over it and only focus on Jesus' rising from the dead? Are we supposed to take this story literally? That multiple dead people, including Jesus "came" back from the dead and showed themselves to many people, but that news didn't spread beyond that area where the incident supposedly occurred? I don't think so.

No historians from those times mention this tale.


The First Clue

Here's the first clue that this story wasn't written during the time this incident supposedly occurred or by those who supposedly witnessed it.

Dead saints!

What dead saints are they talking about? Were there saints in the Judaism during that time? No. Were there saints in Christianity at that time? No.Christianity didn't exist until well after Jesus' supposed "ascension" to heaven. So they couldn't have been Christian saints. So whose saints were they?

Lets see what Eason's Bible Dictionary says about the word saint,

Saint

"one separated from the world and consecrated to God; one holy by profession and by covenant; a believer in Christ (Psalms 16:3, Romans 1:7 Phil 1:1;Hebrews 6:10).

(The "saints" spoken of in Jude 1:14 are probably not the disciples of Christ, but the "innumerable company of angels" ( Hebrews 12:22 ; Psalms 68:17, with reference to Deuteronomy 33:2.This word is also used of the holy dead (Matthew 27:52 ; Revelation 18:24). It was not used as a distinctive title of the apostles and evangelists and of a "spiritual nobility" till the fourth century. In that sense it is not a scriptural title".)

So, they couldn't have been Christian apostles and evangelists, because they weren't called saints until the fourth century AD, way after this story was supposedly written in the first century AD. So which brand of Christianity had saints in the fourth century AD?

El correcto! Catholic Christianity.

So I would say that this story had to have been written after the establishment of Catholic Christianity and the Catholic Church, in the fourth century AD, because that's when the apostle's and evangelists were first called saints, wouldn't you agree?


Do You Really Believe That Dead Saints Rose From Their Graves?

Do you really believe that if dead Saints (zombies) came out of their graves and walked among the living it wouldn't have made the "news" of day or even leave a blip on the radar screen of ancient history, except in this story? If you do...I want some of what you been smoking!

And what happen to these zombie saints?

The story says they showed themselves to many people after Jesus' resurrection, but after that we hear nothing about them. Did they climb back into their graves? Where did they go? The zombie saints seemed to be mentioned in this story, along with the temple cracking and the earth quaking, to make Jesus' death seem like a supernatural occurrence.

I think this is a made up story.

If Jesus was the "son of God" and contradictory, "God in the flesh". Why did he have to die? Believers might say to show he had power over death. Then why is it when he was dying on the cross he cried out "My, My God Why Have You forsaken me?

Do you think Jesus was crying out to himself for help or to someone other them himself for help? I think the obvious answer is someone other than himself for help. All of this places the authenticity of this story in the "great bin of doubt" for me, what about for you?

Either those who wrote this story were too stupid to see the glaring contradictions in this tale. Or thought those who would read it, were too stupid to see them. But then again, not many people could read or write during those times. Priests were the ones who could read and write and who educated the royalty and the nobles. Most of the common folks couldn't read or write.

You've heard how if you whisper something in someone's ear at party and tell them to whisper it in someone else's ear and they into someone else's ear and so on and so on. That by the time it gets back to you. It may sound nothing like what you originally said.

So imagine if some Hebrew speaking person, told a story like this one to one or more people thousands of years ago. Then those people told to it other people and they told it to other people and so on and so on. Then Greek speaking people learned the story and told it to others and they told it to others and so on and so on. Then Latin speaking people learned the story and told to others and so on and so on. Finally, Old English speaking people learned the story and told to others and so on and so on. And this went on for thousands of years. Then we learned the story in modern English from others who learned the story from others and so and so on.

Do you think that story would sound anything like the original story told in Hebrew? Or the one told in Greek? Or the one told in Latin? On the one told in Old English?
And your answer is......... I thought so!


What If This Story Was About Buddha?

What if this story about Jesus and the dead zombie saints rising from their graves and walking among the living, were about Buddha or some other non-Christian god-man, and you're a Christian would you believe this story was true? I didn't think so. Now apply that same logic to this story. Do you believe this story is true? And your answer is a resounding...........

To paraphrase the Buddha, those who accept tradition on faith, are like a chain of blind men, holding hands over time, passing along the message of what the first one said he saw.

And to quote Jesus, "... if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch."

Don't be spiritually blind and don't follow the spiritually blind

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Brandy R Williams 3 years ago from Bedknob

I enjoyed this. You are one of the few I have encountered shall we say that knows this story. :) The discussion could go on for hours.


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vveasey 3 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Thanks for being the first one commenting Brandy R Williams

Yep it sometimes amazes me how many Christians don't really know the true history of Christianity or the Bible, only what preachers tell them or what they've read in the Bible, through the lens of what they been conditioned to believe.


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Ericdierker 3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

These are some of the most in-congruent verses in the Bible. I certainly understand your take on it. But I start out with a different premise. God can do whatever He so chooses and a time line is irrelevant. The Saints you speak of are a church creation. These Saints would have been a God creation. I am kind of frustrated with "tomb" and "grave" being the place in different Bible versions. And I am not sure what "raised" means here. And note they were not "walking" but "appearing".

So I have to apply the love test to understanding. Therefor, for a little while specially loved people who were dead visited those who loved them, so that there would be a stronger belief in a life after bodily death, so that they could have hope.


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vveasey 3 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Well Eric

you say "they were not "walking" but "appearing"

But this is what the text said ' After His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many"

So they didn't just appear to people. They entered the city then appeared to people. I'm assuming they were walking because it doesn't say they were riding.

You say "And I am not sure what "raised" means here."

Well, what does it mean when it's said that Jesus rose or was raised from the dead?

Eric you really seem to be trying dance around these " most in-congruent verses in the Bible" rather than look at them with an open mind

You say ". I am kind of frustrated with "tomb" and "grave" being the place in different Bible versions"

This is just more of the same from you Eric. Tomb and grave mean the same thing, burial place of the dead.

I not trying to be insulting Eric but open your mind and eyes and just approach this as you would if you were a detective looking at clues to determine who committed a crime or was murdered and I think you may see something you never clearly saw before or never wanted to see and still don't want to see.


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Ericdierker 3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

You may open yours. Mine is open. We are discussing so we are open. Like I said I get your take. Your bent is on facts and proof and your lens is made for disproof and denial of the bible. That is cool.

Mine is on this wild and crazy love fest. When something is silly, does not make sense or is downright caterwalky. But it is written and published and suggests some kind of first hand account and is in a Bible (notice I do not say "the" bible). Then I look for the explanation that makes sense and is consistent with love.

I happen to know many and am called upon as a forensic "detective" and the best always use their gut. You are right though, "want" is irrelevant. I "want" rules and clarity --- too damn bad for me.


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vveasey 3 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

I'm not trying to disprove or deny the Bible. It does a good job of that all by itself. I just research the history of bible etc and report what I find.

I admire you for always looking for "the explanation that makes sense and is consistent with love." That's a noble sentiment, but leaves out the explanations that may not be consistent with love but are never the less true.


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vveasey 3 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

and what did Jesus reportedly say "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." John 8:32


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Ericdierker 3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

Truth That brother. Christians who are afraid of searching for truth are disabled. Let us not say retarded but they do stunt their growth. Regardless of how it evolved the brilliant mind should never be wasted, perhaps that is even a sin.

I truly was enthralled by your understanding. I do not feel threatened by it at all. I feel enlightened and empowered by it.

I will go off to preach at a church now. And these verses will go with me and be discussed. A confident man who is not a searcher for truth is a fool.

If someone should disagree with me, we shall learn. If all just nod their head at the preacher, I will be saddened. Ultreya my friend.


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vveasey 3 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Amen Brother


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Ericdierker 3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

Up Date! My youth group loved my Zombie walk. But we got down to serious business and pondered. We all thought about it. This resurrected Jesus showed up (read that appeared) in a locked room to his disciples. You have to figure there were several hundred(?) places where, almost Christians, were hanging out like that -- afraid. Well it just makes sense that God would send "saints" there also. If you think about it, it works.

But no matter how you cut it, these verses are strange. And yes perhaps a later added attempt to help understanding.

John is the only one to accompany Christ to Calgary. Yet Mathew writes this first hand account of the greatest every sigh. So clearly there are literary shenanigans going on here. Whoever the copy editor is, should be fired.

Thanks again for broadening my horizons.


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vveasey 3 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

You're certainly welcome

Seeing the whole truth is the broadest of horizons, the good, the bad, the beautiful, the ugly, the contradictory, the not contradictory

no matter how we want, need or wish to see it


theresascaife 2 years ago

Nit picking the Bible confuses a lot of people. you are a youth leader.? it is cool to have lively conversations but if you don't totally believe the Bible whhat are you putting in those kids minds?Gods ways arenot our ways neither are His thoughts our thoughts. only satan causes confusion and doubt about Jesus Christ.Jesus came to give life abundantly. Please be careful what you ut into the minds of youth.they have enough confusion in this world


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vveasey 2 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

theresascaife

How am I nit picking the bible? What you call nitpicking. I call reading and examining. Are you saying those verses aren't in the bible?


macbella 2 years ago

This verse intrigued me as well and so did your post and the comments above.

You wrote "Isn't Jesus supposed to be the only person to come back from the dead?" and I answer, no. First, if you read the Book, you will read the story of Lazarus as well as Jairo's daughter, Jesus' power over death rose them from the dead before he died. Second Matthew 27:53 says that the dead rose after Jesus' resurrection, and not after his death. So this whole post is kinda confusing. Jesus is still the first fruit of those who have "fallen asleep". (1Corinthians 15:20)

But I do have to agree with you that the Bible doesn't really tell us who those saints were, some argue they were resent christians such as John the Baptist's parents, or even Jesus' earthly dad, Joseph, and some argue that the Patriarchs and Prophets were the ones who rose. But the Bible doesn't say all saints rose, but some. Who were they? No clue.

Also there is no evidence in the Bible of if they lived and then died again, or if they, like Jesus, appeared to loved ones and then left to be with God.

Either way, the Bible is a God inspired Book, written by humans who were inspired by God, there will be human traces in it- contradictions, questionings, and incomplete thoughts such as the one above. But over all it is a life manual for humans, and life giving for those who believe in the God of the Bible. Also, in order to understand this Book, you will need help from the Holy Spirit, and that will require you to ask Him for help to understand what He wants to teach you. (2 Corinthians 3:6) A little faith goes a long well when you ask Him for understanding or even help believing.

About your concern regarding preachers and all that "mediation" in order to understand the Bible, I agree. We need to search for ourselves, we need to investigate and test for ourselves. No relationship is real if you need a mediator to communicate.

That being said, I leave this verse "Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened." Matthew 7: 7-8

Love,

Bella


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vveasey 2 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Good Points Bella!

But Lazarus and Jairo's daughter, were "raised" from the dead by Jesus so the story goes.

But Jesus was supposed to be the only person to raise himself from the dead, to show his power over death at least, this is what many or most Christians teach and believe wouldn't you agree?

Sure he raised" others from the "dead" but the big deal was he raised himself from the dead. That what I mean by the only person to be raised from the dead. I should have been more specific.

but still these dead saints rose from the dead without Jesus' help before he did


ese hombre 2 years ago

When Jesus says "My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?", He is quoting from Psalm 22 (verse 1 in the English versions). This is important to understand, because Psalm 22 is a prophecy of Jesus' crucifixion. The rejection of the Messiah by the people (v.6), the insults they hurled at Him on the cross (vv.7-8 – compare with Matt.27:38-43), the pain of the crucifixion (vv.14-15), the piercing of His hands and feet (v.16), the dividing up of His clothing by lot (v.18) are just some of the more obvious parallels this Psalm prophesies. Jesus knew exactly what was going to happen to Him because He understood this Psalm and how it applied to His death on our behalf (cf. Matt.20:18-19). By quoting Psalm 22, our Jesus makes this clear, and makes it clear to all who would later hear these words of His that He was well aware that He would have to die on our behalf in order to save us – for this reason He came into the world (Jn.3:16-17).

I'm not sure on the saints. Never gave it much thought. I'll have to

look into it. It maybe a translation issue.


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Rodric29 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

V, I want to put my two cent in on this one. I think I may have an explanation that may satisfy

Matthew 27 KJV

50 ¶Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

The operative word is in verse 53 (((after))). The saints rose from the grave after Christ's resurrection. He was the first to rise from the dead and so quickened those other people to rise from the dead.

It is important to look at the verses as parts of the whole story, not as each verse as stories unto themselves.

Also, the editors of the KJV used statements of events in each verse until verse 52 where they used commas to indicate the greater connection that the dead rising had to the event of Jesus Christ's resurrection. Semicolons were used in the other verse to indicate that those events could stand on their own without a direct connect to the subject of the resurrection of Christ.

It is interesting that the graves were opened by the tumult of the earth after the death of Christ. Were they opened by people or the tumult? Were they opened to see if there would be an eventual resurrection? That is speculation.

It is clear that after the graves were opened, the dead arose after Christ resurrection. What do you think?


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vveasey 2 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Interesting Rod

But dig this

"And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit. And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split. The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the tombs. After His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many". Matt 27:50-53

This says the so-called saints got up out of their graves after Jesus "yielded up His spirit" and... after...his resurrection.... they entered the holy city and appeared to many. So they were resurrected before he did, can you see that?


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Rodric29 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

Yes, I see you point with that translation of the Bible. I only use the King James Version so I would never have read that translation. Also, when it comes to translations I only accept those things that match the central message of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Because of the interpolations of people, there are human errors in the records that may lead us into errors if we do not use the spirit of discernment.

I could see how it could be disconcerting to read it the way it was written in that translation. I can assure you though that Christ was the first to rise from the dead. After him, almost immediately many people rose as a result of him conquering death.

The wages of sin is death or sin in any form cause death because the elements that make up the body only honor those things that honor the commandments of God. Since people do not we, and all things associated with us that lives will die.

Christ paid the price for sin by dying but since he had no sin he did not need to die making his death infinite and eternal--innocent blood. His death paid for all death so all things will live again physically.

That belief is not based on Matthew per se, but on the collective teachings of the scripture culture. One deviation by way of punctuation or mis-transcription can cast doubt, but does not negate the overwhelming teaching.

I now understand the premise of your article though.

Maybe they were raised from the dead back to mortality but only became immortal after Christ was resurrected is another way to view the rising of the saints like Lazarus.

If Jesus was not the first immortal to rise, then the His sinless life and suffering for sins to provide salvation to others still stand. However, if Jesus was not the first fruits of the resurrection, that means that he is not the God of all humanity and that there are many ways to salvation through other Gods.

It means that Jesus is not the only person that can offer immortality and that His teachings are just one road to gaining eternal life. It also means that it would be easier to gain salvation by some other faith than Christianity because the rules of this religion are many and varied inflict guilt on people.

If I did not believe Christ was the way, I would find a much easier path. I am not a fan of working on myself and being humble. I do it so that I can gain a better post-mortal life.


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vveasey 2 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Rod

I understand. You're a true believer, so that's cool.

I'm a truther.

I seek the truth wherever it may lead me, about Jesus, the Bible, Buddha

Osiris and others, who lived hundreds and thousands of years, before the story of Jesus was written and who were also "saviors" and who also lead their followers to the afterlife and spiritual wisdom

Osiris was probably the first, but there are many others who preceded the story of Jesus, whose stories and attributes are similar or the same as Jesus.


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Rodric29 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

I am sure there are vveasey. I have read very few of them, but there is always a hero who does some great thing for the salvation of his or her fellows.

I consider myself similar to you, a "truther." I have found the truth, but of course, in today's society truth is relative and no one can know the truth really.

As I said in the other post, if there were another way than through Jesus, I would take it because it is easier usually.

I read your profile, but I wonder if you have a hub about what being a "truther" is? If you don't write one. I have an idea of what I think of as a "truther." It may differ than yours.

I also accept truth from wherever it comes. God gives truths to all humanity through all religions, even those religions devoted to Satanism. The truth has a feeling attached to it when you hear it that if you are in tune can be perceived.

I call it the Holy Spirit, but others may call it enlightenment, epiphany, etc.... The truth is the same in all circumstances such as gravity. It only appears to change. Gravity still exists in space just in a differing form.


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Rodric29 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

I was being sarcastic about truth not being able to be known. I just wanted to point that out.


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vveasey 2 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Excellent! What's your idea of a truther?


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Rodric29 2 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

My idea of a truther is someone who can grasp the elements of truth in any form from any source through the ministrations of intuition. In my quest for truth I found The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and have been constantly inspired by the leaders of this church.

I was first instructed to commune with the divine when listening to emissaries from this church, which I did not know was directly possible! In my first attempt to do so alone, I was introduced to a whole new way for finding the truth, just to ask.

I mean, I have to do research and form my own opinion; but then, I confirm that my work is going in the right direction through secret communion with divinity.

A truther in my mind is one who is willing to put aside long held tradition to discover reality. A truther is not afraid of the truth that he will learn but embrace it and adjusts his life according.

Now, I want you to tell me what a truther is because I learned the work form you!


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vveasey 2 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Rod

I agree with your view of a truther and would add that, a truther is someone who not only fearlessly looks for and is opened to truth about history, religion, people etc, etc but also about him/herself.

The main truth that a truther wants to know, is who he/she is, and how he/she got to be the person he/she is, and what his/her spiritual potential is, and how to activate it and how to keep it activated.

A truther wants to know why he/she believes what he/she believes and how he/she came to believe it, and is what he/she believe is true, and will thoroughly examine his/her beliefs to find out

That’s the essence of my view of a truther.

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