Depending Upon the Strength of God

An infant depends upon adults for strength. The strength of God is so much more than this.
An infant depends upon adults for strength. The strength of God is so much more than this. | Source

So many people depend upon physical strength or the strength of things built up over time. Bank accounts accrue interest; this gives one financial strength. Threats of harm elicit reactions calculated to entrap or control; these give the tyrant strength in numbers.

Muscle grows from use, built on continuous layers from a solid foundation. But is it such a solid foundation? Perhaps it isn't when nothing in this universe is permanent. The strength of God comes from none of these.

Expecting Physical Things in Heaven

Because we are so familiar with our bodies and our physical surroundings, it's hard to think of Heaven as anything but a physically friendly place. Even the description of the Garden in Genesis talks of physical things. But when Adam was told that he would surely die on the day he ate of the forbidden fruit, he and Eve did not literally, physically die on that day. They were escorted out of the Garden, and Genesis 5 describes Adam (a different individual, perhaps; or the first tribe of all humanity?) living for 930 years. So, what really happened? I discuss the meaning of Adam elsewhere.

Genesis 1:26 tells us that man was created in the image and likeness of God. It also talks of male and female. But couldn't this gender stuff be talking about something different? God is not Homo sapiens—not male and female human. These are not the image and likeness of the Creator.

The Ten Commandments include a prohibition against graven images. Why? Because God, the Heavenly Father, is not physical. He is superior to all that is physical.

Can we become fully aware of the strength of God and what it can do for us? Or is physicality all there is?
Can we become fully aware of the strength of God and what it can do for us? Or is physicality all there is? | Source

A Foundation Stronger than a Neutron Mass

The Greek philosopher and inventor, Archimedes, reckoned that he could, given a place to stand and a lever large enough, move the Earth itself. That's "continuity" talk. That's the relationships of physical laws at work. But could any physical thing produce or create any other physical thing?

Certainly, we have the concept of Einstein's conservation of energy and matter through his formula of their equivalence—E = mc2—but what put all of the matter and energy into the Big Bang? Where did it come from? Why that amount of matter and energy? Why not more or less?

Atheists sometimes ask, "What put God there? Who created God?"

This is a really funny question. Why? Like Archimedes looking for a place to stand, there is none. When one talks of the source of all things, God was not created; He merely IS. The phrase used multiple times in the Bible is "I AM." And this is so appropriate, because God is not subject to the laws of time and physical continuity. He is not "before" all creation; He is above all creation, and not "above" in the 3D physical sense. He is superior to it all, because He is the source of it all.

The physical universe is built of cause-and-effect relationships. This is our action-reaction reality. God is perfect. He is ultimate cause. He cannot be effect.

And there is something peculiarly different about the sources or "causes" we see in the physical realm. These are imperfect "causes." Why? Because they can also become effects. Look at a boxing match. See what I mean? All of the cause-effect relationships in this world have two sides to their coin.

Sometimes we cannot face what physical reality has in store for us. Moments like these are perfect opportunities for calling upon the strength of God.
Sometimes we cannot face what physical reality has in store for us. Moments like these are perfect opportunities for calling upon the strength of God. | Source

Within every victim is a perpetrator who suffers; within every perpetrator is a victim ready to lash out. When one suffers and asks, "give me strength, God," one becomes more powerful than any perpetrator could ever hope to be. But it takes far more than merely mouthing the words.

The things of the realm of creation are without dichotomy. They are the Zen one-sided coins—the sound of one hand clapping.

God is cause, but never effect. Atheists have a really hard time grasping that simple concept. They may be bright on physical continuity concepts, but this befuddles them. Be kind; they need our compassion.

The realm of creation is stronger than a neutron mass—a super-heavy block of matter where all of the space is removed, unlike the light and open airiness of the atom. The realm of creation is the foundation upon which all matter and energy have been built. In fact, space and time are also built on that foundation. Matter can be ripped apart in the coruscating violence of a nuclear explosion, or crushed in the painful grip of a black hole. Space can be warped or ripped by strong gravitational gradients. Time can be dilated or entirely stopped by velocities approaching or arriving at the continuity-realm maximum—that of light. But constant and unwavering beneath it all is the realm of creation. Without that, nothing would exist or persist.

The strength of God comes from something far more permanent and durable.

Compassion is good, but there is a form of compassion that transcends the mortal, imperfect variety and depends upon the strength of God.
Compassion is good, but there is a form of compassion that transcends the mortal, imperfect variety and depends upon the strength of God. | Source

The Perfections and the Ego Self

Buddhism describes a state of perfection with the term "paramita." This means the "other shore of existence." For instance, we have mortal, ordinary generosity and its opposite selfishness; but paramita generosity is untainted by any opposite. It has no opposite. Paramita generosity, wisdom, compassion, confidence and others are perfect forms. Ego has no ability to grasp these, because ego is built of dichotomies. You cannot hold in your hands the hearth fires of the sun's core—high-density, super-hot plasma. Ego cannot pass through the gate that leads to the fires of creation.

It took me many years to understand what "paramita" meant. And understanding it intellectually is only half of the battle. You have to put your "self" there and that requires humility and perfect confidence.

In Buddhism, they don't hold "self" in high regard. That's because the "self" of which they speak is the mortal, false self of ego. This is the vulnerable, action-reaction based "self" through which many of us view the world.

Why vulnerable? There is an old parable of a monk and a samurai which illustrates this false self in action and reveals the vulnerability of which I speak.

On a winding, country road, a samurai warrior happened upon a hoary old monk and asked him for the definition of heaven and hell. The monk immediately berated the samurai. "You stupid idiot. You loathsome scum. You couldn't understand the difference between heaven and hell if you had a thousand lifetimes."

At this, the samurai became enraged. Drawing his blade, he lifted it high above his head to destroy this puny monk for his insolence.

Suddenly, the monk pointed knowingly at the warrior and said with a firm voice, "That is hell."

We need the meek innocence of a child and need to depend upon the strength of God.
We need the meek innocence of a child and need to depend upon the strength of God. | Source

Like a sail suddenly without wind, the warrior's sword arm dropped to his side, awkwardly. The samurai's face flushed with shame. But then, his face relaxed and tears poured out of his eyes like rivers. His shoulders melted and his face glowed with a light the monk had rarely seen even amongst his peers.

"And that is heaven," said the monk.

Even the shame the samurai felt was ego in action. But then he let it all go. He gave in to utter humility and stood spiritually on that solid foundation that the eyes cannot see.

Just as a woman cannot be half-pregnant, you cannot be half-enlightened or half-blessed. You cannot stand with one foot in the continuity of physical reality, depending upon your monthly paycheck, and, with the other foot in creation, expecting a miracle to save a dying loved one for whom medical science has given up. When depending upon the strength of God, one cannot hesitate. Any doubt will spoil the effect.

When Yehoshua of Nazareth walked upon the Sea of Galilee during that raging storm, he stood upon the foundation of creation. He derived his strength from God. This is not the type of foundation that a skeptic can see with their own eyes. And clamoring for proof misses the point of it all.

Though God is not "up" in the sky, symbolically reaching for the heavens is one way to submit to the strength of God to call on His loving help.
Though God is not "up" in the sky, symbolically reaching for the heavens is one way to submit to the strength of God to call on His loving help. | Source

The Object is Salvation—Not Votes of Approval

When a skeptic demands proof of miracles or of God, they are missing the point of it all. In the Hollywood version of Greek myths, Zeus needs our love for his own strength, without which he might wither away and die.

It doesn't work that way. God isn't in this as a popularity contest or to recharge his batteries on our adoration.

This is a rescue mission. And we are the ones who are lost—trapped in physical continuity and into thinking that all this stuff is "all that." It isn't.

It is not unjust for God to require of us something that we cannot attain on our own strength. This isn't an arm wrestling contest or a battle between egos. God wants to rescue His children from the pit of physicality. This pit blinds us and wraps us in distractions which pretend to be more real than the foundation of creation. And the ego which traps us is of our own creation. We have become enamored with our egos and don't understand that they are a trap and an illusion. That's why God has sent help on numerous occasions. Even the Great Flood was a form of help for his non-physical, immortal, but sleeping children. God has given us all we need and we can lean on Him and His son at any time.

God is Love, Even During Noah's Flood and the Coming Armageddon

The Bible's Hidden Wisdom: God's Reason for Noah's Flood (Volume 1)
The Bible's Hidden Wisdom: God's Reason for Noah's Flood (Volume 1)

This book is from years of my own research into a biblical timeline compatible with those of mainstream science. I wasn't surprised that God's holy book would match his own creation (reality), but there were many surprises, including discovering through science the target of Noah's Flood -- a species which went extinct at that time.

How can Noah's Flood have been an act of Love? It's critical that we find out. This book tells how.

 

God needs our decision. And He is quite willing to give us that for which we ask. If we ask for oblivion in physical continuity, that will be what we get. There will be many who will decide, "Oh, I'm quite comfortable here in physical reality. I don't need any non-existent spirit world."

So be it! When the time comes to give our final decision, it will be done. But it will be our own decisions that proclaim it.

If we decide to stand on the more permanent foundation, then we will be with God in the non-physical realm of creation, fully aware of the physical, but not of it.

In time, the physical world will wither away and die—burnt up as chaff in the fires of the sun when it goes red giant. But even billions of years before that, the sun will grow hotter and hotter to the point that Earth will no longer be able to hold its oceans. The continents and dry sea beds will become molten lakes of fire. And ultimately, the Earth will evaporate in a puff as it finally plunges into the burgeoning form of the old sun, claiming the lives of its nearest children—Mercury, Venus, Earth and perhaps even Mars.

Without these Homo sapiens bodies, the lost immortals will remain sleeping in their fitful nightmare, unable to stir from a waking dream that goes on forever.

And even some who call themselves Christians will be left behind, because they will refuse to give up their egos—insisting that their way is the right way to view Christianity, rather than realizing that there is much more to learn.

Learning and discovery take humility and hard work. The biblical literalist may find that they cling to a frail shadow of truth, and that's not the foundation they need.

What is faith in God? It is letting go of our own narrow viewpoints and allowing His wisdom and strength to pour through us.

The strength of God is non-physical and it comes before all things that are physical.

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whomtheSonsetFree 4 years ago from USA

WOW! You're really "professional" like. Me? I'm an ole lady of 57 who just got a pc a few years back to place a book she had written of her testimony...I pour out my heart --then I'm like...GONE.

The Bible says ADAM was made in the image of God. Not Eve. It says Eve was taken out of Adam:

{GENESIS 2:21-24}

And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, "This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh."

There exists, I beg to differ with you, not any place called "OBLIVION". there exists either eternity with GOD, as you said, by our own individual choice, or an eternity without Him. The Word of GOD calls this place Hell.Jesus spoke of this place more than any other subject. Hell is a very real and agonizing place. Jesus told a "story", which I take literally as JESUS SAID IT.

The Rich Man and Lazarus {Luke 16:19-31}

“Now there was a rich man, and he habitually dressed in purple and fine linen, joyously living in splendor every day. And a poor man named Lazarus was laid at his gate, covered with sores, and longing to be fed with the crumbs which were falling from the rich man’s table; besides, even the dogs were coming and licking his sores. Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham’s bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried. In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and *saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried out and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.’ But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony. And besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.’ And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, that you send him to my father’s house— for I have five brothers—in order that he may warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ But Abraham *said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ But he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent!’ But he said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.’”

Just as heaven -wherever God is IS Heaven. It will be on the new earth-for how long who knows. But as i said-To me? wherever GOD is now-or in the future-when I am with Him thru Jesus ANYPLACE, EVERYPLACE, IS HEAVEN.

As for Bible "literalists" - As I understand that term sir, I am one. If it's not in Yahweh's Word-Old and New Testaments - then it just "ain't.

I've lived the Power of God through Jesus which changes everything that one was without Him. If not for Him I'd already have been, by the choices I made in my own power, and ultimately, my powerlessness. Without His Mercy and His Grace I, sir, would already be suffering the beginnings of eternity without end in a very literal place GOD Himself called Hell, {Hades, Gehenna...I'm sure you are very learned. I walk by faith - in God}

Only to be briefly broken removed from the "holding place" in the Pit/hell - until the White Throne Judgment Seat of Christ - then the lake of fire.

Both are REAL places. Not debating - just sharing. An excellent and enjoyable read! See you on the flip-side! be blessed...:)


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lone77star 4 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

Thanks @whomtheSonsetFree for a most interesting dissertation. Certainly it takes humility to allow God's true meaning into our heart. There are so many conflicting interpretations -- so many Christian denominations -- most of them have to be at least partially wrong.

And there are numerous passages in the Bible that cannot be taken literally.

Why would the writers include hidden wisdom in the Bible? Simple. Discovery requires humility and hard work. And humility is a primary requirement for salvation. And humility is something I struggle daily to achieve more of. I hope you do, too.

May the Heavenly Father bless us all with greater understanding and wisdom. There is still much more to be learned.


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Dave Mathews 4 years ago from NORTH YORK,ONTARIO,CANADA

lonestar: It's been a while my brother since we have read from you. Thank you for this writing. I enjoyed it.

It is interesting to read that you do not attribute our wealth, or our physical muscle layers to God. I thought God provided even them.

Ooooops! The Garden of Eden was not part of heaven or paradise, but a part of earth, sort of like God's little place on earth where he could find and communicate with his creations, when not off doing something else.

When God told Adam and Eve that they would surely die, if they ate from the forbidden fruits the knowledge of good and evil. God meant what he said, and infact that is what happened.

It was not a physical death like we tend to view it as humans, but a spiritual death, whereby God banished man from the garden and man was not permitted to knowingly be in contact with God face to face.

Jesus faces a similar situation when He is crucified, and the sins of man pierce him and are heaped upon Him, God turns his back to Jesus as he hangs there covered in sin because God cannot look upon sin.

We know this to be fact because we read: "My God! My God!, Why ast thou forsaken me?" God could not even stand to look upon His only "Begotten Son" covered with sin.

Maybe I can add to what you have said by stating that which should be obvious but maybe is not.

Let's see if this is simple to grasp or not.

Before we bacame transformed into human form, we were pure "Spirit" form. We are still a "Spirit" living within the confines of a human body for now. Once we have fully completed the tasks assigned us by God, our human form will cease to be needed and we will revert back to being spirit again.


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whomtheSonsetFree 4 years ago from USA

Of course human beings do NOT know everything...LOL! If we did we would be Him...GOD FORBID.

You take it as you see fit--But I BELIEVE that God always says what HE means and means what He says. ALWAYS.

Thank you very much.


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lone77star 4 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

Well, @whomtheSonsetFree, that's just the point. I don't take it as I see fit. I keep looking, because I know that the scriptural interpretation of my Southern Baptist minister grandfather's church was not right. It was too literal. And God does not always reveal everything to everyone, including in scripture. Even our master, Yehoshua, told his disciples that he had told them things that he did not reveal to the masses. And it may well be that those "secret" teachings did not make it into the New Testament. Could some of it be in Pistis Sophia, or some of the other Lost Books of the Bible, those mentioned in Chronicles, for instance, but never found?

"Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. 2 Corinthians 3:6 KJV

The letter -- the literal Bible -- is the type of thing the Pharisees clamored for, but they missed the big picture. They saw the literal law, but missed the spirit of it.

There is so much more to learn and it cannot be learned if we think we know it all.

It would be a shame to stop at the entrance to the "narrow" path, thinking that one had already arrived. Hidden wisdom requires humility and hard work.

At the bottom of my profile, I mention "Genesis Bible Commentary," a new series that delves into possible meanings of some of the very real enigmas purposely placed in the Bible.

In fact, the Jewish mystics seem to have hid their prized "Tree of Life" in two books of Genesis, right under the noses of the traditionalists. But there is purpose behind such hiding. Do you have the humility to acknowledge that there might be more to learn? Sometimes I do, and I hope I'm getting better at it.

Even the Nazarene talked in parables -- in other words, "not" in plain language, but by analogy. Why? So that those who were listening would have to work to understand. So much learning happens when you work at understanding. Those who receive lottery winnings on a silver platter rarely appreciate the gift and frequently squander it. "Too easy" all too frequently means under-appreciated.

Certainly God always means what he says, but he doesn't always make it plain or easy.

Do you want it easy? Didn't our master say that the way was narrow and difficult? Don't clamor for easy. Keep looking. Be even more humble. Don't take what I say as Gospel, certainly, but look at the spirit of it and see if it helps open the door a bit more. I keep looking for writers who do that for me -- those truly filled with the spirit.

May God bless us all with more humility and wisdom.


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lone77star 4 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

Hi Dave. It seems you missed what I said by a mile. Ouch! Maybe it's my writing.

You say you read that I do not attribute muscle and wealth to God? But that's not what I said, at all. You're misinterpreting what is written.

Everything comes from God, but there is still local cause-and-effect within physical reality. God allows for chemistry and physics to happen. After all, we might well be living in His "day of rest" -- all 13.7 billion years of it. He "allows" the laws of physical reality to do their thing. That's what I was talking about.

And, oooooops, yourself! How do you know Eden wasn't heaven? There some Jewish scholars who call it very plainly, "The garden of heaven."

Spiritual death? Yes, I make that point in a number of my hubs. But by that meaning, it may also be that the Garden was not a physical place, but a spiritual one.

Our master said that the kingdom is within us, but if a surgeon cuts open our bodies, they are not going to find that kingdom. Don't take it so literally. There's truth there, yes, but I suspect that neither one of us fully understands what's going on.

Think about it for a moment. How would you describe a non-physical entity being tempted by a non-physical concept and falling into a non-physical trap that had a semi-permanent non-physical effect on them? The story would not go over very well. It would not be easy to visualize. So, the writers gave the story a physical "parable."

Jesus used parables all the time. They were not to be taken literally. Please, don't take Genesis that way, either -- not all of it, at least.

"Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life" (2 Corinthians 3:6 KJV). So, don't be a literalist. Please! I suspect that some things are literal, but far more has multiple layers of meaning. If you're at all familiar with the Kabbalah's Tree of Life, you might be surprised to discover that it's embedded in two chapters of Genesis.

You say, God cannot look upon sin. Really? God is vulnerable? I hope that's not what you mean.

You give an interesting interpretation, but at this point I don't see that being true to me. I'll tuck it away and look at it again. Sometimes new truths take time to "digest."

But your last paragraph is a work of art. Yes!!! I've been saying this for 50 years.

Now, somewhere in all of this there might be a few scraps of real TRUTH (our hubs and our dialog). And that, my brother, makes all of this discussion worthwhile.

I hope you'll read and comment on my new series: Genesis Bible Commentary. See the bottom of my profile for a link (last paragraph). I'd love to get your feedback. I'm still working on the book version (several hundred pages).

Bless you, my friend. The adventure of discovery continues. There is so much more to learn, and I've only scratched the surface in my 62 years, but even what I've learned keeps changing as truth becomes clearer.

I've even take a few steps off the trail, only to find my way back.


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Dave Mathews 4 years ago from NORTH YORK,ONTARIO,CANADA

lone77star: My "Oooops" is truth. Think it through.

During the time of creation God creates Adam and Eve on earth. God does not remove them from the earth and place them in some heavenly garden, they are on earth to do God's will. Therefore, Eden, has to be a part of earth and not some specially heavenly garden.

When I said that God can not look upon sin, God hates sin and sees it as vile and ugly.


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lone77star 4 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

Thanks, Dave. I always appreciate your input. Your love of God and Christ warm my soul.

But can we love God more? Is our love yet perfect?

When either one of us states that our opinion (interpretation) is "truth," are we acting with a humble hunger for truth? Or could it be that ego is getting the best of us?

I have found myself stating things as truth and I am attempting to get out of the habit of this. Why? Because I don't know truth. A more profitable approach would be to ask questions that help others look. I could ask for no greater gift from someone else.

Is your "ooops" truth? I may have thought so, about 54 years ago.

I've been reading all of the Bible cover-to-cover. Something I should have done a long time ago. I had read many parts of it, but never the entire thing straight through.

More and more, I see passages that provoke us to reject the physical -- no graven images, no clamoring for assistance from evil neighbors (one of Judah's kings forgetting to ask God for help, instead), and the 2 Corinthians passage, above.

So much of our language is steeped in physicality. It's hard not to include such imagery. But that, I think, contributes to the problem.

I suppose, though, it also contributes to the separating of the wheat from the chaff. I'd hate to see some of my friends found wanting for clinging to physicality.

God the Father is not Homo sapiens. And neither are His children.


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Dave Mathews 4 years ago from NORTH YORK,ONTARIO,CANADA

lone77star: As spirit beings, our love and our service to Our Father is already as perfect as possible I believe.

Since we are still in our human form,our fleshly form, we still vary off the narrow path and err, but this is only a temporary condition, until Our Father ends our service here and recalls us. Physically God will never see us as perfect beings, spiritually he knows we are.

I used to be a Union Chief Steward, and when I defended one of my brothers or sisters before management, I always told them this: "In every situation there are always three sides, three truths to any situation. There is Management's truth,their facts, there is your truth your facts(your meaning the employee) and then somewhere in the middle is ' The Truth, the true Facts ' and the truth, the facts will be discovered and revealed." Now I know how profound that sounds but it's true. The truth will win out regardless of which side it comes out on.


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whomtheSonsetFree 4 years ago from USA

My goodness! As Paul says "1 Corinthians 2: 2For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified."

Have your intellectual debates all you wish. I know what the Holy Spirit verifies within myself.

Again to quote the man of God Paul: Philippians 2:12

"Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."

This I do - you sir..do so as you will. Me I follow Him. PERIOD. I bid you well and adieu'


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Dave Mathews 4 years ago from NORTH YORK,ONTARIO,CANADA

lone77star: In your response to my comment you ask me: "Can we love God more?" "Is our love yet perfect?"

We can always love God more than we do, but our love for Him will never be able to equal or surpass His love for us.

Our love for God while we are in our human state, will never be a perfect love, for we as humans have a tendency to offer our love with conditions, rather than unconditionally.

If I offer a statement of "Truth", it is what is revealed to me in thought through God's Holy Spirit. It is not my preconceived idea of what is truth, for I rely upon God and God's Holy Spirit to guide me totally.

God's Holy Word, in the Holy Bible, has a Godly way of changing how it might be received. I can read a passage seeking specific knowledge from God and receive one meaning. The next day, I can re-read that same passage and see yet another meaning.

Our ability to perceive things has no limitiations, just as God himself has no limitations.


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lone77star 4 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

Hi Dave,

In reply to your posting 2 weeks ago, I disagree that "our love and service to Our Father is already as perfect as possible." If it were, we would not be able to improve it. We would remain stuck in this mortal trap.

And you give a beautiful "truth" in your union chief steward example. I have long known this. And I remain humble in that I know that I do not yet know truth.

In reply to your posting 21 hours ago, I agree with your statement that "we can always love God more than we do."

However, I disagree that we will never be able to equal His love for us. Surpass it, I don't see how. But equal, yes! When we are one with God, then we have an "equal" love. That's my own instinct on this. I could be wrong. But it feels right to me. But that takes humility and faith. Having a love equal to that of God's may seem anti-humble. When you look at it through the eyes of ego, most assuredly it is. But when you look at it through the eyes of the child of God, then a child's love for their parent can always be equal to the parent's love for their child. And that's a really good thing.

Beautiful what you said about "human state" and unconditional love. I understand what you say about "Truth." I too have these "Truths." But the words we use are imperfect; they rarely do that "Truth" justice. But also, I know that I am an imperfect vessel -- an old wine bag receiving new wine. I cannot perfectly hold "Truth." So, even the truths I have received through the Holy Spirit have been sullied by my physical viewpoint. But realizing that helps me to remain humble and to continue to be hungry for answers.

And I really do hear you on reading a passage two different ways. I, too, have experienced that. These truths change as our viewpoint changes.

What you said about no limitations is incredibly beautiful and so absolutely true. With God, all things are possible and that was the entire intent of this article.

Bless you, Brother Dave. Your words of wisdom continue to help me find new truths and new humility.

Carl


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lone77star 4 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

@whomtheSonsetFree, thank you for stopping by. And may the Holy Spirit continue to visit you, always.


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Dave Mathews 4 years ago from NORTH YORK,ONTARIO,CANADA

lone77star: "My thoughts are higher than your thoughts, my ways higher than your ways." These are God's own words to us, therefore I am not sure that we can ever have a love that can be "Equal" with God as we will never be on the same level as He.

Truly the love a child has for a parent is a beautiful thing, and something to be cherished, Yet, a child who is abused physically or mentally or spiritually, will still try to express a form of love, derived out of fear. A child will seek love where ever and when ever it can find it from the parent.


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whomtheSonsetFree 4 years ago from USA

THANK YOU LONE77STAR. I SINCERELY WISH THE SAME FOR YOU..:)


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lone77star 4 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

Sorry Dave for the delay in responding. And thank you for your words of wisdom. I appreciate everything you add to the conversation.


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Globetrekkermel 4 years ago from CALIFORNIA

Very indepth discussion on a topic I am very interested in,LONE77STAR. I see that you live in Cebu a province of my former country,Philippines-.(I have dual citizenship now)Just curious, how do you reconcile your former Hollywood lifestyle to the Cebu lifestyle?These are complete opposites.Has this a bearing to your spiritual non material inclinations , therefore a conflict of interest( hollywood lifestyle) as far as how life must be lived? Thank you for writing such indepth articles that I am very interested in.God bless.


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lone77star 4 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

Thank you, @Globetrekkermel, for your kind words.

There were many temptations in Hollywood -- materialistic things. But I also had many very spiritual experiences in Los Angeles -- miracles!

I look at every temptation and failure as a lesson that helps me see the value of letting go. Being able to live in the universe, but not being of the universe. That is the difference between the darkness and the light.

I traveled halfway round the world to be with the one woman who complements my soul. I keep learning from her charity and generosity. Finally, I am learning humility.


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Globetrekkermel 4 years ago from CALIFORNIA

WOW! That is so awesome Lone77.I can relate exactly what you meant by letting go, non attachment and humility. It takes an unwavering faith and trust to be able to transform one's self to this kind of lifestyle. To me it is a miracle not a choice . Having spent quite a bit of time in monasteries both here in the States and in Europe and having met monks along the way ,it is beyond explanation what you feel when you embrace this kind of lifestyle.Unfortunately, people cannot understand the choices these spiritual people make because they only see the visible world.I had a little bit of an experience when I stayed in the monasteries .I tell you, I cannot even begin to tell how it is like.


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lone77star 4 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

Perhaps we can spread the message with analogy and probing questions. Find what people like and want. And merely get them to look at the threads of that likingness -- how it attaches them to it.

Inspired by a Hindu and his hub on God, I found that I could see my attachment to oxygen and how strongly my body hungers for it, especially when deprived. I then imagined loving God with greater strength than even that. The following day, I found that love of God and suddenly found that I did not need to breathe -- for several minutes!

And a little earlier this morning, I saw a movie -- Invictus -- about Nelson Mandela and his faith and forgiveness which transformed a nation from darkness of mistrust and hatred to compassion and cooperation.

We can find inspiration all around us. Gentle questions can get people to look inward. Leading by example can inspire them. Giving up all "importances" can be truly liberating.


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Globetrekkermel 4 years ago from CALIFORNIA

I agree,lone77.giving up importances is very liberating .It is so simple in concept but a little difficult to implement. I wish there is a much easier way to practice this in everyday life.by the way , i will be in the philippines in a few weeks and i can't wait. I am meeting an old high school friend who became a pastor and missionary now.Can't wait to have a one on one discussion with him on topics we both are interested in-spirituality and monastic life.


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lone77star 4 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

@Globetrekkermel, outstanding!

What part of the Philippines will you be visiting?


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Globetrekkermel 4 years ago from CALIFORNIA

In laoag city, ilocos norte. In the north , have you been there? Will also go penang malaysia and spend a few days in a buddhist monastery. It will be awesome i think. Looking very much forward to it.


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lone77star 4 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

No, I haven't been there. I've been to Manila airport, but have lived in Cebu for 5 years, visiting Bohol quite often. Have a great trip.


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pstraubie48 4 years ago from sunny Florida

This is a thought provoking epistle you have presented. Understanding Buddha when I am not sure I totally understand my God is a whole new investment of thought.

What I do know is that He has rescued me and does it daily. So much has been learned through the years by letting go of self and focusing my energies on understanding God's direction for my life and attempting to stay centered and focused on His will. This is being bookmarked so I can read and reread. It deserves several reads. Voted up++++


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lone77star 4 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

@pstraubie48, thanks for your wise words. I know exactly what you mean by the need to reread this one. I get something new from it each time I read it.


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Swope 2 years ago

good hub


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lone77star 2 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

Thanks, Swope.

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