Did Joseph Smith predict the second coming

The accusation

In the history of the church, you can find a certain passage which if taken out of context may seem as though the Prophet Joseph Smith was predicting the second coming of Jesus Christ. It reads;

"it was the will of God that those who went Zion, with a determination to lay down their lives, if necessary, should be ordained to the ministry, and go forth to prune the vineyard for the last time, or the coming of the Lord, which was nigh—even fifty-six years should wind up the scene" this quote was made in february of 1835

Now this might lead one to believe that Joseph was telling the people that the second coming of Jesus Christ would occur in the year 1891, which obviously did not happen.The church is still here and has not made any claims that anything of that nature happened even in the least degree, not a word. Then comes along the usual shocking accusations that supposedly prove to the public once and for all that the restored gospel is false. 

Keep in mind also that these false accusations are always leveled against us by another ministry, who goes on the offensive to create an agenda against an otherwise Christ centered community of believers. 

The background

First lets have a look at something he said

  1. D&C 130: 14-17 14 I was once praying very earnestly to know the time of the coming of the Son of Man, when I heard a voice repeat the following: 15 Joseph, my son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years old, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man; therefore let this suffice, and trouble me no more on this matter. 16 I was left thus, without being able to decide whether this coming referred to the beginning of the millennium or to some previous appearing, or whether I should die and thus see his face. 17 I believe the coming of the Son of Man will not be any sooner than that time.

So lets take a close look at Joseph's thoughts on the issue; I was left thus, without being able to decide whether this coming referred to the beginning of the millennium or to some previous appearing, or whether I should die and thus see his face.

Notice also that a big part of the Lords response was, "If" he reaches the age of eighty five and not "when" he reaches the age of eight five. And since he never even came close to seeing eighty five years of age the statement held true. From that sentance one can conclude that If the Prophet Joseph would have reached that age then certainly the promise of the Lord would have been fufilled.

One of the aspects of this conversation that I have personally zeroed in on is the overtone of the Lords council to Joseph. "therefore let this suffice, and trouble me no more on this matter" We know from the scriptures that No being in Heaven or on Earth will know the exact time of the coming of the Lord, so the fact that Joseph seemed unaware of this scripture or without understanding, he once again did the simplest thing which he knew to do which was to pray about it. And a few years later he made this declaration;  "Jesus Christ never did reveal to any man the precise time that He would come. Go and read the scriptures, and you cannot find anything that specifies the exact hour He would come; and all that say so are false teachers."

Conclusion

 Joseph Smith Did believe that the second coming of Christ would happen no earlier than his eighty fifth birthday, and there was nothing stated that shows Christ was supposed to return on that precise year. The fact that he later declared that no man knows the precise time of the second coming shows that just like the rest of the world we gain a deeper understanding of the doctrine of Christ line upon line and precept upon precept, here a little, and there a little.

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eovery 6 years ago from MIddle of the Boondocks of Iowa

Interesting. I had the same type of feelings. If the people would have repented and done everything needed, from my understanding the savior would have already come. Joseph Smith did say, I don't have the exact place, but the gospel had to be taught to all countries in the world, and then the end would come. If Joseph Smith would have been able to live that long, he might have been able to do a marvelous work, as that of Enoch, and Christ would have already come. But with the way we are, it appears it will be longer yet to dome.

What is interesting, a lot of the countries where the gospel has not been taught is seen a lot of change. I understand Christianity is growing in a lot of these countries and soon the may not be able to keep the gospel out of those countries. The Lord is working a marvelous work, and we are seeing it being done today.

A lot of the growth of the Islamic nations may be leading to the second coming as they may become strong enough to take on Isreal in the great and glorious last battle, where the Savior will come and save Isreal. With in twenty to thirty years, many of the Europe nations may be under Islamic control.

Keep on hubbing!


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Onusonus 6 years ago from washington Author

Thats a creepy thought about Islam. I would hate to see the world under the rule of such an opressive method of thought.


kk 5 years ago

she has born..queen mary second..jesus will be born within two years..and she is on her 30s...in kerala in india...


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Onusonus 5 years ago from washington Author

I'm not sure what religion you subscribe to but I can assure you that Christianity has nothing to do with reincarnation. the scriptures attest to him returning in the same manner which he left. The gospel writers assert that he will descend from the sky.


ruffridyer 5 years ago from Dayton, ohio

good hub, it is easy to take things out of context or misunderstand what is being said.


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Onusonus 5 years ago from washington Author

Oh yeah, some people make a living out of it.

Thanks for reading!


passingtheword 4 years ago

Man you have to read your bible. Jesus doesn't know the time the second coming is.

Matt 13:32

But of that day and that hour knows no man, no, not the angels who are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

I would like to see the 1st edition of the book of mormon. I would like to see If the word "IF" was in there or was it added later on. like they have changed and add so much to not make them sound too crazy.

i am going to do some research.


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Onusonus 4 years ago from washington Author

Passingtheword, it is apparent that you did not read the article. And you seem to be looking for a falsehood about my religion which you have completely fabricated in your own mind. I'm sure you will be able to find the word "If" written in the Book of Mormon several times.


passingtheword 4 years ago

Ok? But do you know that you are wrong about Jesus knowing the time of the second coming? And I am still searching if the the word IF is in the first editions.

ONusonus read the bible and only the bible and you will be ok.


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Onusonus 4 years ago from washington Author

PTW, when did I say that Jesus knows when he is going to return? And when did I ever refute the idea that the word "If" exists in the Book of Mormon?

Passingtheword, I exhort you to read and pray about the Book of Mormon and it's divine origins. It is the word of God, and it will draw you closer to Christ the savior and eternal life in heaven.


passingtheword 4 years ago

JESUS COMING BY 1890! 130:14-17,22 "coming of the Son of Man . . . voice . . . Joseph, my son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years old, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man . . . the coming of the Son of Man" – Did Joseph Smith think he was so important that the Lord’s coming was conditional upon him. Didn’t the Mormon god know how long he would live? Or really, was it only Joseph who did not know? It seems like a convenient way to slip out of accountability, considering a man’s likelihood of dying before 85. Would the Lord come in 1890, when Joseph was 85?

See History of the Church, 5:336, as Joseph Smith said the coming of the Lord would be in 56 years (about 1891). The LDS church deleted some of the proof but it is in the original of Joseph Smith’s diary. Excuse: Could this simply be Joseph Smith inquiring about the second coming of Christ (vs. 14)? Then the end of verse 16 would not make sense. It is very clear what Joseph Smith meant in the D&C 29:9-11; 84:115-119; 87:8; 104:59; 106:4; 110:16; and 133:17.

from http://www.saintsalive.com/resourcelibrary/mormoni...


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Miguel 4 years ago

Wind up in 56 Years "[T]he coming of the Lord, which is nigh - even fifty-six years should wind up the scene." History of Church, v2, p 182 1835

Feb 14

There exists a debate between Mormons and critics of Mormon Christianity over this prophecy. Critics claim this prophecy was not fulfilled.[18] Mormons claim that since Smith did not preface this statement with the typical prophetical "Thus sayeth the Lord", it is not a proper prophecy. More importantly, in the full text, Joseph Smith himself explained how he understood the revelation as follows:

I was left thus, without being able to decide whether this coming referred to the beginning of the millennium or to some previous appearing, or whether I should die and thus see his face (DC :130).

The actual content of Joseph's prophecy--if personal opinion can be said to be prophecy--does not occur until the next verse:

I believe the coming of the Son of Man will not be any sooner than that time.(DC 130:17.)

Mormons contend that Joseph's belief proved correct. Jesus did not return to the earth for His Second Coming before that time -- (and, has yet to return).

Lastly, Mormons contend there are other aspects of fulfillment that should also be considered. It is not known when it was that the Smith earnestly prayed to know the time of the Lord's coming. The context, (verse 13 of the D&C 130), shows that it may have taken place in 1832 or earlier. At least twice, as is recorded in the Doctrine and Covenants, Joseph saw the face of the Son of Man.[20] Depending on when Smith sought counsel of the Lord, either of these two alleged visitations may constitute fulfillment of the Lord's promise. In any case, Smith recorded that he believedt that this may also have referred to him seeing the Lord's face at the time of his death in 1844, as he clearly pondered as such in D&C 130:16.

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