Disputes About the LAW II

Heather Bennett Said:

The following is another hub-length comment left by Heather Bennett on my hub Torah: The Law of Moses. If you wish to read that hub first, then you may see more clearly the answer I give to her in the second section of this hub. May our Lord Jesus Christ be praised.

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Carrie said: A woman's hair is given to her for a covering.

Heather responded: But the hair cannot be what Paul is speaking about.

First, the word translated as covering in verse 15 is a different word than is used in the rest of the passage. Therefore, the covering spoken of in verse 5 is different than the hair in verse 15. Second, the hair cannot be the covering spoken of in the rest of the passage because if it were, the entire passage would make no sense. Verse 4 then would mean that all men should have their heads shaved. Verse 5 reads as nonsense – if a woman prays with no hair on her head it is the same as if she had a shaved head. This really makes no sense, so the covering spoken of in verse 5 cannot be the hair. Verse 6 has the same problem as 5. If the cover is the hair, the verse would read like this – if the woman have no hair on her head, then let her hair be shaved, but if it is a shame for a woman to be shaved, let her have hair. Verse 7 also then says that a man needs to have a shaved head, if the covering is simply hair. So though the covering of verse 15 is hair, the covering of verse 5 (without which we dishonor our head – our husbands) cannot be hair, anymore than the covering of verse 4 can be hair.

Carrie said: How many Jews were saved in Paul's day, then turned right back to the Law...or at least were being pulled back to the Old Covenant requirements (Gal 4:9)?

Heather responded: The Galatians were Gentiles by birth, therefore what they were returning to were Gentile (pagan) things, not Torah. One can only return to what one has done before. They were Gentiles in the past, and were returning to their Gentile ways.

Carrie said: Even Peter was rebuked by Paul for teetering on both sides of the fence (Gal 2:11-16).

Heather responded: Peter was rebuked for living one way when he was around only those born as Gentiles, but living another way when Jewish-born Believers came around. He was being a hypocrite. Peter, as did Paul, continued to keep the Law long after he began to follow Jesus.

Carrie said: Moses was the mediator used to set them free from the slavery of Egypt; Jesus is the Mediator setting them free from the slavery of the Law!

Heather responded: We are free from the curse of the Law. The curse of the Law is that transgression of the Law demands our death. No longer do we have to physically pay this penalty because we have been crucified with Messiah (Galatians 2:20). This does not mean that we are free to transgress the Law. The Law (as well as the Prophets and the writings of the apostles) is where we should turn to get our training and instruction in the ways of righteousness (2Timothy 3:16). We cannot ignore over 2/3 of God’s Word and expect to get adequate instruction! All Scripture is profitable for training in righteousness.

Carrie said: God wants us to walk as Abraham did - there was no Torah then; it was added to God's Law (the 10 commandments) because of transgressions.

Heather responded: I explained this in another hub. The Ten are not commands, but sayings. The Bible clearly states that Abraham did keep God’s commands (Genesis 26:5). Abraham kept God’s mitzvah. We are told to walk as Jesus walked – He kept the entire Torah. He kept every jot and tittle. Luke 6:40 says that everyone who is fit shall be as his master. Our Master, Jesus, kept the whole Law, not just the ten sayings. He left us an example, that we should follow in His steps, and that example was that He did no sin (sin is transgression of the Law), so we should do no sin (we should not transgress the Law – not just the ten sayings) 1 Peter 2:21-22. We should walk as Jesus walked, keeping the whole Torah (1 John 2:6). Those who live in Jesus will not transgress the Law (1 John 3:4-6).

Could you please define sin for me?

MY ANSWER

1 Cor 11:5 uses the English word “uncovered”, which is the Greek word “akatakaluptō”. The word for “covering” in verse 15 is “peribolaiou”. Just as the word ‘uncovered’ and ‘covering’ are NOT the same, but opposites in English, so are they in Greek.

A man having his head shaved is not a problem. A woman having her head shaved is a problem. If a woman has short hair, it is the same to God as having her head shaved as a man. Her hair is given to her for a covering. Likewise, it is a shame for a man to have long hair, so to have a shaved head is logical. This explains verse 5.

Heather said, “The Galatians were Gentiles by birth, therefore what they were returning to were Gentile (pagan) things, not Torah.”

Carrie's response: In my hub Torah: The Law of Moses the scriptures I quoted were from Galatians 2 through 6.

Regardless of the fact that the Galatians were mostly Gentiles, there was a mixture of saved Gentiles, saved Jews and unsaved Jews. This was the problem. Let’s go to Galatians 2:1-2: “Then after an interval of fourteen years I [Paul] went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, taking Titus along also. It was because of a revelation that I went up; and I submitted to them [Jews] the gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but I did so in private to those who were of reputation, for fear that I might be running, or had run, in vain.”

Where do we see this situation happening in scripture prior to this? Nicodemus in John 3!! He spoke with Jesus in private, for he was a man of Jewish reputation and could have been excommunicated from his own, had he inquired publicly.

Now, look at verses 7-9 “seeing that I [Paul] had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been to the circumcised (for He who effectually worked for Peter in his apostleship to the circumcised effectually worked for me also to the Gentiles), and recognizing the grace that had been given to me, James and Cephas [Peter] and John, who were reputed to be pillars, gave to me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, so that we might go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.” So, we see that James, Peter and John were sharing the gospel that was being preached to the Gentiles with the circumcised (the Jews). When Paul admonished Peter for teetering, it’s because he acted like a Jew when he was with the Jews, instead of being true to the gospel preached to the Gentiles, not because he was acting like a Gentile when with the Jews. None of this has to do with pagan practices.

Let's now go to verse 12: "For prior to the coming of certain men from James, he [Peter] used to eat with the Gentiles [against the Torah]; but when they [the Jews] came, he began to withdraw and hold himself aloof, fearing the party of the circumcision." Did he not do worse on the night of Jesus' arrest?

Hypocrites JUDGE others for doing the same things they do, and they don't practice what they preach. If Peter were telling the Jews to keep the Torah while he wasn’t keeping the Torah, he would be a hypocrite. If he was keeping the Torah, yet preaching against it, he would be a hypocrite. Which was it? Were the Jews calling him a hypocrite? No. You just said he was keeping the Torah. For this, he was accused of hypocricy by Paul, for had Peter been living what he was supposed to be preaching, Paul would not have withstood him to the face. Now, if Paul kept the Torah, this situation wouldn't have happened. Furthermore, why is it Torah keepers even now consider Paul a false apostle? Why is he hated by the Jews?

Now, Abraham was the first to be circumcised. This was not about the 10 Commandments or the Law of Moses. Abraham's "seed" continued in that tradition of circumcision. The Bible separates the Jews and Gentiles as "circumcised" and "uncircumcised", which is now understood to be "circumcision of the heart", not the flesh and separates Abraham's offspring (saved) and those who are not Abraham's offspring (unsaved). Gentiles were being told by the Jews (saved and unsaved) to be circumcised in the flesh, yet Paul preached against it.

Acts 21:28 tells us why Paul was hated: "Men of Israel, come to our aid! This is the man who preaches to all men everywhere against our people and the Law and this place; and besides he has even brought Greeks into the temple and has defiled this holy place."

As we clarified earlier, Paul was speaking to a mixture of Jews and Gentiles in Galatians, not just “Gentiles by birth”. You might be thinking of Gal 2:15, in that Peter and Paul were "Jews by birth", yet obviously Paul did not live by the Torah, nor was Peter to be practicing what he did before he got saved by grace. Paul's upset with Peter had everything to do with his living contrary to the gospel of salvation by grace through faith in Christ Jesus because of his fear of the Jews. For this reason, Paul began his whole message to the Galatians in Chapter 1:6-8 as follows: "I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; which is really not another [because it was of the Old Covenant]; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!" Gal 3:10 states clearly that the Law is a curse. To confirm, Paul’s message to the Colossians (Gentiles) is that the Law is against us. In fact, if you continue to keep this Law, you will be judged by it. Again this is found in Gal 5:3. You must keep the whole Law and will suffer the consequences of that Law, which is death. That is the severity of rejecting the gospel of grace and truth.

As I answered you in my last hub Disputes About the LAW, The 10 Commandments, let alone the 613 mitzvah were not in existence when Abraham was living. While you call God’s commandments ‘sayings’ or ‘words’, you contradict yourself when you say they are ‘mitzvah’. They are both sayings and commandments. Neither were around in the days of those mentioned in Hebrews 11, whereby beleivers are restored to that gospel of salvation by grace through faith (Eph 2:8-9). The Ephesians were Gentiles.

Why did Jesus keep every jot and tittle of the Law? TO FULFILL THEM. TO ACCOMPLISH EVERYTHING THAT GOD REQUIRED. Hebrews 7:28 “Moses' Teachings designated mortals as chief priests even though they had weaknesses. But God's promise, which came after Moses' Teachings, designated the Son who forever accomplished everything that God required” to say, “IT IS FINISHED” (John 19:30).

Jesus did keep the whole Law of Moses. However, study the gospel message of Jesus. The ONLY commandments given by Him throughout are the ten. You can read about it here in my hub Stone from the Throne.

1 Peter 2 is speaking about suffering, not keeping the Torah. Jesus didn't suffer to the point of crucifixion for keeping the Torah. Christians suffer persecution from Law keepers (Jews) to this day, just as Jesus did. It was the Jews who killed the prophets and Jesus. On the other hand, the reason the Torah-keeping Jews are yet scattered, and the reason for the "Time of Jacob's Trouble" is due to the fact they refuse the New Covenant of salvation by grace through faith and that not of works. Still today they boast in the keeping of the Torah and insist saved Jews and Gentiles are to follow the letter of it. The letter of the law kills (2 Cor 3:6).

1 John 3:4-6 is speaking of lawlessness and does not tell us it is the Law of Moses. The Law of God is what Jesus quoted throughout the New Testament gospels. Jesus was specifically asked which commandments believers in Christ are supposed to follow. Read Mat 19:18-19. This is the story of the wealthy man who kept the Law of God, yet it was worthless when Jesus tested his heart by telling him to go sell everything he had and give it to the poor. This request is not part of the Jewish mitzvah.

Sin is defined in James 4:17 “Therefore, to one who knows the right thing to do and does not do it, to him it is sin.” The Spirit of God bears witness with our consciences (Rom 9:1), for those who are godless have their conscience seared with a hot iron (1 Tim 4:2).

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oscarwms 5 years ago from PA

This is a great hub, but I wish that there was better distiction on who is speaking. Instead of "you said" the persons name should be there like Oscar: blah, blah. George: blah, blah. Or "George said:"


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Carrie Bradshaw 5 years ago from Manhattan Author

Hi oscarwms ~ the first half is Heather's comment, so when she writes, "You said", she is quoting me. Likewise, in my answer, when I say "You said", I am quoting Heather. However, I will make it more clear to help the reader better follow. Thank you for the constructive help. God bless you :-)


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Carrie Bradshaw 5 years ago from Manhattan Author

Heather Bennett, I am in the middle of a major project and will need time to give your comment the respect it deserves. But, what the Lord is laying on my heart to ask you is, "Who do you say that I AM?" (this is the question Jesus is asking you).

As you know the 10 Commandments were written by the finger of God (Deut 9:10); the Law of Moses was written by Moses. Now look at Luke 11:20 "But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you." These are the words of Jesus.

The Law of Moses was given due to transgression (not against the Law, as it had not yet been given, but against God). Yeshua had not shed His blood as the Lamb of God at that time. Now that we have grace, the forgiveness of sins, we are freed from the Law of Moses. Jesus said, "This is the New Covenant in My blood" and He meant it. It is NEW. "When He said,

'A new covenant', He has made the first obsolete [old]." Rom 10:4 "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."

There is no righteousness gained through keeping the Law of Moses; only by keeping the Law of Christ, and that brings me back to the first question.

Jesus said in John 14:15, "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments." Again, if you read "Stone from the Throne", these are the ONLY commandments Jesus preached; and with that, summed them up into two: Loving God and loving man with agape love. "On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets." (Mat 22:40).

On the other hand, James 2:4 tells those like you, who feel they must continue in the Old Covenant, "For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all." Jesus said in Mat 5:20, "For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven." How is this possible? 2 Cor 5:21 answers with "He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him." You either have righteousness by grace through faith in Christ or so-called 'righteousness' through the Law of Moses. And NO, it does not mean we are lawless. Paul makes this very clear in the Scriptures.

Okay ~ we'll have to continue this another time. Thank you for your patience. God bless the ministry of His Word, for He came to set us free and if the Son sets you free, you shall be free indeed (John 8:36).

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