How to Teach the Trinity

Scripture, not Doctrines of Men

Some people have nice analogies about the relationship between God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. One of these analogies is "your father is also grandfather to your children, and also husband to his wife... so he is three men and has three titles, but is one..." Other analogies are similar to this one. All of them are specious. They sound good at first. But, when compared to scripture, they fall short.

For me, I simply avoid (not always successfully) using hot-button words. Most people in denominations don't realize the great majority of their teachings are actually denominational doctrines. They are likely to never acknowledge that the high leadership (whom they have never met) are actually satanists. Yes, those "wolves in sheep's clothing" have crept in unaware. The goals of such wolves are to divide and destroy.

By front-loading certain denominations to use the word "trinity" and other denominations to loathe that same word, a point of division is created. There is a split in the branch and this word is a wedge. To drive the hammer to the wedge, you need only use that term in front of someone who has been told the word is unequivocally incorrect. Other words can have the same effect: Tongues, prophecy, 5-fold ministry, G-12, and others similarly have dedicated proponents and also hard-core detractors.

In some of these cases, both sides, not just one, are out of alignment with the Bible.

If you use the wrong word in front of one of these, it activates a mental shut-down sequence in accordance with the plans of their masters and owners.

I was once talking to a woman I met at the local pool. In the midst of sharing testimonies, she suddenly went stiff and said quickly, in a different tone of voice, "You're not one of those people who believe in the trinity, are you?!?" I had not said anything about the trinity or anything about the relationship of God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. We were talking about how Israel is the fig tree in scripture.

Her sudden outburst and the removal of color from her face resulted from her suddenly recalling an anti-trinity doctrine. Previously, she had held the trinity position. A few months previous, she changed churches and received new doctrine. This happens to people who do not study the scriptures. With every new wind, they are carried away.

That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; (Eph 4:14, KJV)

Just ignore the argument. Instead, just quote the Bible. The Holy Spirit once told me, "Your words don't set people free, mine do." Arguing with them using the words of men (denominational doctrines) does not help anyone. Reading scriptures helps them. Even the groups which are strongly at odds when it comes to denominational jargon, when it comes to scriptures, they agree!

Scriptures about God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit

Daniel chapter 2:

34: Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

44-45: And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

This rock not cut by human hands is Jesus. The mountain is God. The kingdom of Dan 2:44 is the Kingdom Jesus sets up on earth at the end of Revelation.

So, Jesus is a part of God, separate, but also still God.

John 10:30 “I and My Father are one.”

John 14:9 “Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father”

John 14:28 “Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I”

John 14:10 “Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.”

So, in 14:10, we see that the Father is in Jesus, and Jesus is in the Father. How does that work? Can someone draw a diagram? What will that look like? It might be represented as an infinite series of concentric circles, alternately labeled Jesus-Father-Jesus-Father-Jesus… and so on, to infinity.

It is hard to explain, but they are one, and they are also separate! The idea is to just stick to what the Bible says, and avoid those sensitive words that activate others’ sensitivities.

The Holy Spirit gets more complex. But, ultimately the conclusion is the same: the Holy Spirit is one with Jesus and with the Father, but also separate.

I don’t care for all the special words different denominations use to key-word their teachings. I have seen Christians (many, many times!) arguing in threads on YT videos- and both are saying the same exact thing! Because they have the different special teaching words of their local regions and denominations, they think the other is saying something different. Each of them, being sufficiently indoctrinated, is only capable or repeating what the pastors say. Each of the two arguers keeps repeating their denominational teaching, using their personal key words, and each fails to realize the other is actually agreeing with them, but using terms with which they are not familiar.

Use the descriptions the Bible gives us. Problem solved.

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Comments 13 comments

Name 5 years ago

And these three give testimony in heaven - The Father The Son and the Holy Spirit.

And these three give testimony on earth - The Blood The Water and The Spirit.

These verses prove the trinity but some people say they arent true scripture and were added later. Im surprised you didnt make reference to them in your hub post.


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jacksson47 5 years ago from Reedley, CA

They were added later, but they are correct. The early councils of the Church pretty well placed the beliefs in stone. For instance the Creeds of Nicea and Constantinople together state: I believe in One God, the Father almighty . . . and in One Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Only Begotten, begotten of the Father before all ages . . . true God of true God . . . of one essence with the Father . . . Who was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary . . . and in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life who proceeds from the Father, Who spoke by the prophets . . .

This is the original creed of the Church and most other creeds take off from it.


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All For Jesus 5 years ago from Taytay, Rizal, Philippines

I agree with your commenter jacksson47 that I John 5:7-8 are valid Biblical passages. Even if we get to remove these 2 verses from the Bible, the doctrine of the Trinity will still hold water, since the Bible really teaches it. A few of the passages about it are: Psalm 110:1; Matthew 22:41-45; Mark 12:35-37; John 17:3; Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9;


SparrowMinistries 4 years ago

We cannot accurately explain the Trinity, but the importance for me is not the word but the essential truth of God and the Bible that in the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the Word was God. Everything was made through Him, without Him nothing was made that has been made. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. Jesus is eternal God and that is a central truth to salvation. Those who say He was a good man, a good teacher, an angel, or a created being, are teaching a religion that will ultimately separate its followers from God for all eternity. I support their right to choose that belief, but I do not say we essentially believe the same thing or follow the same God.


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

Sparrow,

Thank you for the comment. This is the best way to explain: just quote the scriptures as you have done. There are many who know God and know Jesus... but yet lack perfect doctrine.

Most of the push-button hot words for denominational Christians are the result of leaders of the different sects protecting their "flocks" by front-loading them against the teachings of other denominations to which they might defect.

So, it is better for us all to just quote or paraphrase the scripture, and avoid special terms like "trinity" and "five-fold ministry" and others.

The way you have approached it is wise. Peace.


All For Jesus 4 years ago

Mr. Man from Modesto, when Christians share the teachings of the Bible or Holy Scriptures to people, they are not wasting time.

Instead, they are rendering service to the "Good" Lord Jesus Christ.

It is not right to just quote the scriptures in the language to which it is translated, say, for example- English, since the Old Testament was written originally in Hebrew, while the New Testament was originally written in Greek.

Thus, in cases of controversies or controversial issues like the Biblical doctrine of "The Trinity", Christians should have or possess an in depth learning of the concept, based on the original languages scriptures were rendered.

Otherwise, professing Christians would render injustice treating each Person-Individual-Self-Personage-Being belonging to the Godkind (i.e., the Trinity).

Without clearly knowing the concept of the Trinity, people will confuse the functions each Member of the Godkind or the Trinity assumes with respect to the createdkinds.

By the way, "the Trinitarian concept" or "the concept of the Trinity" is the paraphrase for "the 3 distinct or different Persons belonging to the Godkind".


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

All for Jesus,

It appears you missed my point. We do better to avoid offending those who have been denominationally enculturated into believing certain words like "trinity" belong to an enemy.

By using the terms and definitions given to us by the Holy Spirit, we do a service to the conversation. Your 3rd and 4th paragraphs sound a lot to me like someone who values head knowledge where teachings from the Holy Spirit should be.

Beware of those who emphasize "cemetery", I mean "seminary" to produce leaders. A leader in the Kingdom of God is born of the Holy Spirit, the will of God, and obedience.


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All For Jesus 4 years ago from Taytay, Rizal, Philippines

Mr. Man from Modesto,

I believe there is no point in studying the Bible or Holy Scriptures with a halfhearted approach (Acts 17:11).

You are right that I value "Head" knowledge a lot, considering the fact that Christ is our "Head" (Ephesians 5:23; Romans 10:1-4).

Learnings that draw us to the "Good" Lord Jesus Christ can never, ever be wrong.

Christ Jesus- the Lord & Master of all bless us as we yield our all to Him, since it is the very will of God the Father and the very leading of God the Holy Spirit!


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

AFJ,

We have lapsed into an undesirable exchange. This happens when two Christians are each saying something correct, but pretending as if the assertion of the point makes one "right" over the other. This is fallout from the church system in which brotherhood is tossed aside in favor of hierarchy in which some lord over others.

People fear admitting they misunderstood, or even to admit a brother is right because it seems they will be "beneath" the other. It is legitimate to anticipate this; it happens in most denominational churches.

You say we should seek Jesus as if that counters my statement. Really, my statement is totally different than yours. It is like I said "It's Tuesday." And then you, not wanting to be outdone, or perhaps not liking that it is Tuesday because you secretly believe it is Wednesday, then proclaim, "It is summer!"

Though it truly is summer. The fact that it is Tuesday remains true.

So, if you have something else to say, to develop the conversation surrounding pointless division between church sects based on extra-biblical terms and jargon, please feel free. However, posting as you just did is obfuscation and a gray cloud of distraction. You completely avoid my challenge as to whether you have an academic foothold on scripture as information or whether you have a relationship with the Holy Spirit.

I encourage you to pray and seek God in ever greater amounts. I pray the same for myself. We ought to grow closer to my Father every day and week and month and year.

Peace.


All For Jesus 4 years ago

A non- Christ centered, non- Christ glorifying (John 16:13-14), non- Christ teaching, non- Christ reminding (John 14:26) and non- Christ testifying (John 15:26) life can never be Holy Spirit inspired or led.

If one has really heard and learned of God the Father, that one comes (i.e., is continually coming) to Jesus (John 6:45), considering the fact that God the Father is infinitely-permanently-ceaselessly-perpetually invisible or unapproachable or inaccessible to all the createdkinds (John 1:18; I John 4:12; I Timothy 6:16; John 6:46).

Therefore, no createdkind/s like angels and humans can "directly" come to God the Father for that would also violate the "infinite" High Priestly function/s of the Lord Jesus Christ in mediating for and in behalf of the createdkind/s, before God or the Godkind (Hebrews 3:1; 4:14; 6:20; 8:1).


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

Alright, this is the last comment from you I will approve. It is even difficult to follow the strangeness of what you are saying. Why have you worded this like a Dr. Bronner's soap label?

No created kind can directly come to God? Here are some examples:

Adam

Eve

the serpent

Moses

Satan

Joshua

Your complete misunderstanding of basic ideas, and your strange discourse are a red flag to me. It should be to you, too. What denomination are you secretly defending? If I grasped your meandering conjunctions, I believe you have no foundation except denominational doctrines, which are extra-Biblical and even counter-Biblical. I just gave examples showing this.

Now, I will not approve you any longer because I don't want to contradict my own position: that arguing against denominational doctrines is pointless (as our exchange shows). And, I don't even want other readers to take a glancing blow from strange doctrine.

One never knows what odd ideas will take root, or how.

Other readers: Any believer can talk directly to God, without Jesus as a mediator. We can also talk with the Holy Spirit. The idea of "mediators" originated with the Roman forced "universal" church (in Latin, universal = "catalico"), in which pagan, druid, and christian teachings were all meshed together into a heavily leavened poison. Most denominations have never returned to the Bible- though they all say they are "Bible only". They teach followers to pray to "Mary" (aka, the Queen of Heaven, aka Ishtar) and to the "saints" (the original "saints" are demons, not men. Sainting men in later centuries was a work to cloak the true origin).

You can pray to God; Jesus; and the Holy Spirit. Do not pray to anything else.


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All For Jesus 4 years ago from Taytay, Rizal, Philippines

All Theophanies or Personal appearances of God both in the Old and New Testaments of the Bible are Christophanies or Personal appearances of Christ, without exception.

While God the Father is the infinitely-permanently-ceaselessly-incessantly-perpetually invisible God to all the createdkinds (John 1:18; I John 4:12; I Timothy 6:16; John 6:46), God the Holy Spirit is the infinitely "symbolically" manifesting or appearing God to all the createdkinds .

Examples: Rivers of Living Water (John 7:38-39), Dove (Matthew 3:16-17), cloven tongues like as of fire (Acts 2:1-4), seven lamps of fire burning (Revelation 4:5), seven horns and seven eyes (Revelation 5:6), etc..

The only Personally revealing and directly covenanting, all- confronting ( all- facing/all- meeting/all- dealing- Jn. 8:56; Exodus 6:2-3; Deuteronomy 32:18; I Cor. 10:1-4; Heb. 11:24-26; Rom. 14:10; II Cor. 5:10; Exodus 32:30-33; Rev. 20:11-15; Jn. 5:22 ) Yahweh or Jehovah God with the Createdkinds ( including humans and angels ) is none other than the LORD Jesus ( Yahweh Shua ), Himself.

He is Moses‟ “I Am that I Am”.

Therefore, the God you are referring to who appeared to Adam and Eve, the serpent or Satan, Moses, Joshua and all faithful adherents of the God of Israel is none other than the Lord Jesus Christ (John 5:39-40, 46-47; Luke 24:27, 44) and neither God the Father, nor God the Holy Spirit.

Also, you are definitely contradicting the teaching of the Bible or Holy Scriptures regarding the sole-only-exclusive-monopolized "infinite" Mediatorial and/or High Priestly functions of the Lord Jesus Christ (I Timothy 2:5; Hebrews 3:1; 4:14; 6:20; 8:1).

You have not addressed at all the issues I have raised above.


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California) Author

"All for Jesus"

At this point, to be honest, I no longer even think you are actually a Christian. Satanists pose as Christians to perform several sabotages. First, they eat up time of evangelists. You are wasting my time with this broken, retarded (correct use of word, not personal attack) doctrine. Second, they love to insert false doctrine into legitimate Christian forums. This can confuse those who read it.

If you are not consciously, purposefully serving Satan, I am now informing you: that is what you are doing.

What you have written reads more like diaries of the mentally ill, or the Book of Mormon. Both those are the works of demons. I hope you get set free. Remember, by the stripes of Jesus we are healed. But, you have to confess, like Jacob did.

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