Does Hell Truly Exist?

And Does Lucifer Rule Hell?

In Roman astronomy the name Lucifer was given to the morning star, the star we now know by another name, Venus. The morning star appears in the heavens just before dawn, before the rising sun. In ancient Latin the word Lucifer translates to The Morning Star, The Bringer of Light which is confusing, because in Revelation 22:16 Jesus Christ says " I am the root of David and offspring of David and the Bright and Morning Star"

However this can be a problem, if Lucifer is only a name, then does he truly exist? If Lucifer exists, then is the place he exists named Hell?

There a many religions in this world that do not believe in Hell. Basically, the only two religions that do believe in Hell are Christianity, and Islam.

In the bible there are several different words that describe the concept of Hell. One is Sheol, another is Gehenna, and then there is Hell in which there is a lake of fire.

In the Old Testament Sheol was a place of darkness to which all the dead go, both the righteous and the unrighteous. Sheol was not only full of darkness, it was also a place of stillness, cut off from God.


Gehenna is a place outside of ancient Jerusalem. In Jewish, Christian, and Muslim scriptures Gehenna is a destruction of the wicked. The book of Isaiah does not mention Gehenna by name, but calls it The Burning Place, in which the Assyrian Army is to be destroyed. Gehenna does have a history of being a burial site and cremation of the dead. The arrival of the 10Th. Roman Legion were the ones who used Gehenna for cremation.

In the New Testament Gehenna represents the place where the wicked will be punished or destroyed after the resurrection of the dead. Gehenna is mentioned many times in the New Testament. Jesus used the word Gehenna 11 times to describe the opposite of life in the Kingdom. In Mark 9:43 Jesus tells us that "Gehenna has a fire that cannot be put out," and in Matthew 10:28 Jesus tells us that in "Gehenna the soul will be destroyed with unquenchable fire."

The word Hell is also used in the bible. Jesus warns us about Hell. In Matthew 13:49-50 "So it will be at the end of the age, the angels will come to separate the wicked from the just, and cast them down into the lake of fire, and there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

Jesus warns us again in Matthew 5:22 "But I say to you whoever is angry with his brother without a cause is in danger of judgement, and whoever says to his brother 'raca'
shall be in danger of the council, but whoever says " you fool" is in danger of Hell Fire."

The word raca when translated from Aramaic means empty, and the word fool when translated from Aramaic means a Godless or separate from God. So, if one calls his brother an empty and Godless man or separate from God, then the punishment is severe.

The last and strongest passage in the bible is in the book of Revelation 20: 12,15 "And I saw the dead, small and great stand before God, and the books were opened, and another book was opened which is the book of life...and whosoever was not found in this written in this book of life was cast down into the lake of fire."

So, I believe Hell is real. Hell is more horrible then we can even imagine, but God loves us so much, He sent Jesus Christ, His only Son to be crucified for our sins. It is still not to late to be forgiven. God is still allowing us to be forgiven. We still have time to be forgiven, but we don't know how much time we have to be forgiven.


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anglnwu 4 years ago

Enjoyed reading this. As a Christian, hell is as real as Heaven. It is scary and I can't imagine the eternal torment that is associated with the place. I'm glad Christ came to rescue--He holds out the life line for anyone who is willing. Thanks for sharing.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

anglnwu Thank you for reading this. I am just so thankful that God sent Jesus to us. That is amazing to me, and always will be.

God Bless you.


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Deborah Brooks 4 years ago from Brownsville,TX

I believe Hell is real too. God Bless you for writing this. Michele, I am going to share this on my prayer page on Facebook. it is that good

Debbie


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Thank you Debbie, and thank you very much for sharing, that means a lot!


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Jackie Lynnley 4 years ago from The Beautiful South

Glad you believe, had me fooled for a minute. lol

Great hub and great stand! Up/across.

Jackie


oceansider 4 years ago

Michele...I am glad you wrote this article, so that those who do not believe it even exists will realize that it does exist. You and I and all Christians know...but I too have met people who have told me they thought there is no devil and no hell.

Thanks for another great article! Take Care,

Helen


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Thank you Jackie, Yes I do believe. And I thank God every day.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Thank you Helen, there is a devil and there is a Hell. I just pray that more people love God.


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teacherjoe52 4 years ago

Hi Michelle.

If you read when Jesus was talking about the rich man and Lazurus, He was not talking in a parable, He was talking in first person. In other words He was telling people about what He saw.

Yes there is a hell.

Very good article.

God bless you.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

teacherjoe52 yes, I remember that. The rich man wanted water, but since he has been so horrible before he died he went to Hell. Lazurus was in Abraham's arms, not in Hell. The rich man did not even get a drop of water. And yes Jesus did tell people what he saw.


Jesshubpages 4 years ago

Hi Michele, you have a new profile photo huh, you look good. Well, I salute you stand for what the bible has to say about hell. No matter how people may term it, the reality of hell cannot be denied. This is a place for all who do not surrender to the Lord. Social and moral goodness is not enough to be saved from for in Isaiah 64:6 and even in Eph. 2: 8-9, good works can't save. Jesus is the arc of salvation and goodness is the fruit of a life who is in Christ. So men can only be saved from sin and eternal damnation in hell through Christ.

Jess


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Jesshubpage Thank you for your comment. Yes, that is why God is giving us time! He is letting us have some time right now and it is so important now for people to know, they can still be saved from the wicked one. All they need to do is accept Jesus Christ as their savior! The important thing is we just have some time.


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Mhatter99 4 years ago from San Francisco

well thought out discourse


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endless sea 4 years ago from Lucknow(U.P.) India

Thant was interesting read, and as a born again Christian I believe in existence of hell!! As you mentioned the concept of hell is just given in Islam and Christianity but as I was Hindu before there is place called "swarg" where the righteous people go and other place where "asura" the demons those were destroyed by GOD and Goddess go called "Narak" and it has same description as hell, If you do good deeds "yamraj" (God of death) similar to Shinigami or Grim reaper takes you to "swarg" where "Apsarain" similar to angels treat you and dance before you gracefully as you sit beside the "Indra" the king of "swarg" and if you do bad deeds you are taken by him to "narak" wher you are cast into a dark place with fire and you are punished for your deeds by lashes and spikes and all kinds of horrifying punishments. After that it also says that a person has 7 births, each time he takes birth in world of living it is determined by his deeds in last birth, If he is born human he has done good deeds and if he has done bad deeds he takes birth as lowly creatures like (insect, animals, fishes etc.). Even though its laughable but the concept proves something similar to that of "Hell and Heaven". So it can be said Hell is real as well as Heaven. I don't have need to connect it with Bible furthermore because you gave up too many good points to prove it yourself. voted up and interesting. :)


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Sparklea 4 years ago from Upstate New York

Hi Michelle: Voted up and useful. I can't imagine how horrible hell is, and I think I read somewhere that Voltaire saw the flames of hell when he took his last breath, not sure. VERY informative hub and I pray it encourages readers who do not know the love of Jesus Christ to turn to Him...our great LOVE, SAVIOUR and ANSWER to EVERYTHING. God bless you, Sparklea :)


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Dave Mathews 4 years ago from NORTH YORK,ONTARIO,CANADA

Michele: I find this very interesting.

Heaven and the "Lake of Fire" are places for eternity. Both are real and forever.

You refer to Shoel a place of darkness, and that is what it is. Shoel is where the spirits of those who died, "Pre-Jesus" crucifixion ended up and awaited Jesus freeing them.

Gehenna Is thought to be the "Lake of Fire" mentioned in the New Testament, the place where upon eventually, satan, the anti-christ, the false prophets, and their followers, are condemned to end up in.

It is not Hell that we should fear but the "Lake of Fire, for as we are told, in REVELATION:20:14; "Death and Hell, were cast into the 'Lake of Fire'". So from this we can see that hell is not a permanent place to fear.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Thank you for your comment Dave you are very correct. But, God still gave us Jesus to save us from the Lake of Fire. And for that we should be thankful. At least that is what I thank God for.


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unknown spy 4 years ago from Neverland - where children never grow up.

Hell is real.. i believe because at one time in my life, someone put me there.

Hell is such a terrible place. When I was a little kid, Im really scared to do one sin. and when I do, i pray so hard to God to forgive me :) and as a sign of repentance, I do every chore around the house :)


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

I am so sorry someone put you there. But, thank God you did not stay. However, I wish someone would help you do chores around the house.

God Bless you


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North Wind 4 years ago from The World (for now)

Hi Michele,

I read your hub as soon as it was published but have only now come back to comment :) To argue that there is no hell is to call Jesus Christ a liar. He did speak of hell the most, after all. He warned about the place repeatedly and we would do well to listen to His words. Great hub!


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Thank you North Wind. Jesus did warn us about Hell, more then just a few times. I appreciate your comment very much.


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teaches12345 4 years ago

I just watched the story of 23 Minutes In Hell on You Tube -- what a vivid account of someone's trip there! You are so right, Michele, there is truly a hell. Thanks for your wisdom on this subject and for posting.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

teaches those stories are truly scary. I have heard peoples stories, even Atheist who died, went to Hell but came back. Then he became a Christian. Now he preaches the Truth. Why would an Atheist do that?

Thank you very much for your comment.


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girishpuri 4 years ago from NCR , INDIA

Michel, Very interesting topic chosen by you and yes hell is very much here which we daily experience in our routine life, joy , sorrow , death , disease , accidents , miss happenings etc. etc.

Life is like a coin, one side paradise another hell, they keep on alternating, enjoy and accept the life as it comes to you, Believe on GOD.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

girishpuri You are so correct. We do have a choice. Life does happen, good and bad. But, believe in God. Thank you for your comment. It means a lot to me.


Jhudah 4 years ago

wow michelle. yes indeed hell is real. Thanks God for saving us. because if it's not real why would God bother to go down on earth and to be human and sacrifice to save us from our sins.

God Bless you.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Thank you for your comment Jhudha. Jesus is truly God's gift to mankind.

God Bless you also


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dmop 4 years ago from Cambridge City, IN

The bottom line is that hell must be as real as heaven. I think there could still be must debate over what heaven and hell are like though. Voted up and interesting.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Thank you dmop. Yes, there is debate, but who knows. Thank you for your comment.


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lifegate 4 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA

Michele,

Thanks for taking on this tough subject. And I'm glad you arrived at the right conclusion. Hell certainly does exist and we need to be vocal about this.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

I agree with you very much. These days people focus so much on money. If you watch television, you see ads for the best cell phone, the best way to dress. The shows on tv are for who has the most talent, the best voice. Things like that.


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John Sarkis 4 years ago from Los Angeles, CA

Hi Michele and what a great hub this is. I love languages and you just made me aware of something. Now I know where the Spanish word "Lucero" (means star) comes from---Lucifer!

Great hub

John


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Hi John, thank you for your comment. Yes languages are so important. They are amazing to me.

God Bless you.


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BereniceTeh90 4 years ago

I actually got forced into baptism at one point back in 2009. Those guys at church were bugging me so badly, and shoving all their funny little passages in my face and trying to get me to "receive" the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues (basically just go hallelujah hallelujah hallelujah over and over again with hands clasped in prayer until you start speaking the "language of angels") that I decided to just give in to their demands and dunk myself into that tub of holy water and speak in tongues just to humor them. And my so-called "speaking in tongues"?, as they put it? I was just playing pretend! Among all that improvised mumbo jumbo, I even muttered words like "roti canai" (a Malaysian flatbread) and "chapati" (an Indian flatbread), and they fell for it! HAH! I am so screwed if Hell exists! XD


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

BereniceTeh90 Nobody can force you into being a Christian, Jewish person, Muslim, or any other religion. No one should force any religion on anyone. Bad things have always happened. In the past, if people did not become Christians, they were tortured, killed it was horrible. No, forcing is horrible. Forcing means nothing. They cannot tell you you are going to hell. They cannot judge you. Christians are not allowed to judge. Only God can judge. People forget this, don't they?

By the way my favorite for it Chicken Biryani, but I also like Kat a Kat Curry.


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PlanksandNails 4 years ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ

Michele Travis,

You have written on an interesting subject. The aspects of "hell" in Scripture are Hell, Sheol, Hades and the Grave. They have their own distinctions.

If you don't mind I will add a bit more on the place of Sheol.

In the book of Jonah chapter 2, Jonah prays to God and it is revealed in the text that he went to the depths of Sheol when he died. Interestingly, just as Jesus Christ's body was not left to rot in the grave, or His soul left in Sheol; likewise, Jonah's body was preserved in the belly of the whale for three days and nights while he was there also.

For just as JONAH WAS THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE BELLY OF THE SEA MONSTER, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. - Matthew 12:40

Both Jonah and Jesus spent time between their death and resurrection in Sheol, which is located in the depths of the earth. From Sunday School lessons, most are not told that Jonah actually died.

I cried for help from the depth of Sheol - Jonah 2:2

Here are some more references that reveal where Sheol is located.

O LORD, You have brought up my soul from Sheol; You have kept me alive, that I would not go down to the pit. - Psalm 30:3

For they have all been given over to death, to the earth beneath, among the sons of men, with those who go down to the pit.” - Ezekiel 31:14

“I made the nations quake at the sound of its fall when I made it go down to Sheol with those who go down to the pit - Ezekiel 31:16

Yet you will be brought down with the trees of Eden to the earth beneath; you will lie in the midst of the uncircumcised, with those who were slain by the sword. - Ezekiel 31:18

“The strong among the mighty ones shall speak of him and his helpers from the midst of Sheol, ‘They have gone down, they lie still, the uncircumcised, slain by the sword.’ - Ezekiel 32:21

Before Jesus died, He told the thief he would be in Paradise with Him on the same day.

And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.” - Luke 23:43

This would suggest that Paradise was in Abraham's Bosom in the depths of the earth until Jesus ascended into Heaven along with the saints. Before Jesus Christ died, Sheol was divided into two separate places. One of torment, and the other a place of blessing (Abraham's bosom).

Therefore it says, “WHEN HE ASCENDED ON HIGH, HE LED CAPTIVE A HOST OF CAPTIVES, AND HE GAVE GIFTS TO MEN.” (Now this expression, “He ascended,” what does it mean except that He also had descended into the lower parts of the earth? He who descended is Himself also He who ascended far above all the heavens, so that He might fill all things.) - Ephesians 4:8-10

Again, an interesting subject that provokes a deeper look.

God Bless!


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Wow, thank you so much for your comment. You have given me more scripture to read. I always have more to learn.

God Bless You.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI

Interesting subject.

Is "lake of fire" translated from the word hell?


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI

Also in relation to your subtitle "Does Lucifer Rule Hell"

Revelation 22:16 Jesus Christ says " I am the root of David and offspring of David and the Bright and Morning Star"

The bright morning star is Lucifer.

"Jesus said he's the offspring (son) of David and Lucifer so how can Lucifer be evil or the ruler of hell?

Another connection with Lucifer. Lucifer means light-bearer or light bringer. Jesus was called the "light of the world" bringing light (truth) to every one


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

vveasey Thank you for your comment. In Revelation 22:19 Jesus says" It is I Jesus, who sent my angel to you with this testimony for the churches, I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star" Jesus did not say David and the bright morning star. So, no Jesus not say He was the offspring of Lucifer. Also, light-bearer was given to Lucifer, but then Lucifer was cast out of Heaven for rebellion. 1/3 of the angels rebelled also and were cast out of Heaven. Therefore he cast no more light, only darkness and pain. Now Jesus is the one who brings light and truth to the world.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI

Thanks Michelle

I'm just trying be clear on what you're saying.

You said Jesus said "I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star" Jesus did not say David and the bright morning star."

Well if David is "the bright morning star" and Lucifer is the bright morning star, who does that make David?


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Jesus said He was the 'Root' of David and the descendant of David. This is going to take a whole hub, but I am going to try. God created Jesus first. So, if you look at Genesis Then you know God says "let us create man in our image"

God was not alone, he was speaking to Jesus who is His Son.

Then go back to Revelation 22:13 Jesus says " I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Now in the old Testament a direct descendant of David would be Messiah, however, both Mary and Joseph were in the lines of David. Jesus was not, physically in the line of David. If you read the book of Numbers you can read many of the lines of families.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI

Thanks again and I'm not trying to be difficult or confrontational

just addressing what you wrote in response to my earlier comments

And you responded by quoting this verse, Jesus said "I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star" Jesus did not say David and the bright morning star. "

The verse you quoted says "David, the bright morning star" This means David is the bright morning star doesn't it? The verse says Jesus is the descendant of David doesn't it?


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

No, It means it means He is the root of David, It also means that, Jesus it the Bright Morning Star. Now, I have a very old bible that has been on my father's side of the family since 1865, but it was translated in 1610 from Latin. It's title is

HOLY BIBLE

Old and New Testament

Translated out of original tongues

Together with the

APOCRYPHA, CONCORDANCE, AND PSALMS.

Ok, now in this bible , and it is in very bad condition, it is almost falling apart I need to get it fix up.

In Revelation 22:16 Jesus says " I am the root and offspring of David, AND the bright and morning star.

That means Jesus ( Not David) is the bright and morning start.

Offspring meaning born, from a human ( Mary) who was in the line of David.

And no you are not trying to be difficult, perhaps I am being difficult. Please forgive me if I am the one trying to be difficult. I do not mean to try to force anything down your throat.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI

no problem


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Thank you, the reason I asked is that I have seen many Christians either trying to force their religion on people or telling them they will go to hell. That is wrong. No one can judge others. As you may know, I am against all forms against racism, or bias, or being against someone because they do not believe in God. That is all. Oh, and you do not have to comment. I don't care about on my number going up or down on the profile, and don't earn money on hubpages.


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SwordofManticorE 4 years ago from Burlington

Read my hub Preaching about hell is profitable

Than you will get the answer to what I think of this hub.


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

SwordofManticorE Thank you, I will see if it answers my question.


one of them 3 years ago

Yes, and it is crowed. But all of you are welcome.....


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pstraubie48 3 years ago from sunny Florida

To me hell is separation from God. Being unable to feel His presence ...that is hell to me. I do not think we must wait to die to experience hell either. I went through a terrible period in my life when I could not feel God and it was terrifying. Thankfully it passed...He was there all the time...I just could not feel Him.

Angels are on the way to you Michele...have a lovely weekend. ps


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SwordofManticorE 3 years ago from Burlington

@pstraubie Psalms 139:8 if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. KJV

Where is the separation from God in hell?


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

pstraubie48 I agree with you. Being separated from God is horrible.

God bless you.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

SwordofManticorE You are correct. There is no separation from God in hell. Look at Revelation 14:10 And he ( those who took the mark of the beast) tormented with fire and brimstone, in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb.

Sorry, I was wrong. Thank you for helping me see the truth. God is present everywhere.


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SwordofManticorE 3 years ago from Burlington

Your welcome, but what you should know is that the Hebrew word in English in that verse is shoel, not hell. The Jews know that shoel is the state of the grave meaning, sleep. Not eternal torment.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

True, Jesus also told us that when people die, they simply sleep. That is why in Revelation 20:13 the sea gives up its dead, so does Hades. However, as you already know. Hades simply means " the grave."

Like shoel. When people are in the ground their souls are asleep. They remember nothing.

So, when Jesus brought Lazarus back to life after he had been asleep for three days, it was amazing. Because Lazarus' sister Mary told Jesus that his body was starting to smell. That means Jesus brought back to life a man whose body was starting to decay. They were amazed by that. Who else could do something like that?

Only the Son of God.


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SwordofManticorE 3 years ago from Burlington

After all what you just wrote, how can you still believe in a hell? Did you know that almost all pagan beliefs had an underworld of the dead, yet none of them were so horrific than the Christian view of hell. As a matter of fact, the ancient Norse and Germanic tribes had an underworld, and the pagan goddess who ruled it was called "hel". If you research this doctrine and Augustine of hippo, you will learn where this belief system started, because the saints during the time of the apostles were never taught or believed in a place called hell.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

The hub is a question. However, as I have said in Revelation the sea gives up it's dead and so does the ground. Then the dead are judged according to their deeds. In Revelation hell is a lake of fire. The beast and the false prophet are the ones who will be cast into the lake of fire, as well as those who follow them. There will also be a 1,000 year period of time where people who never knew Jesus, will have a chance to learn about him. If they do not accept him at the end of the 1,000 year they also will be thrown into the lake of fire.

I can write a lot more about this, but what I kind of learn bit by bit sometimes.


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SwordofManticorE 3 years ago from Burlington

Sister. allow me to tell you what the Lake of Fire (LoF) is. The answer is found in both 1Cor 3:10-15 and Heb 12:29. The carnal, literal mind cannot grasp what the book of revelations is trying to tell us.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

SwordofManticorE

Then why was the book of Revelations even written?


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SwordofManticorE 3 years ago from Burlington

The book of revelations or properly translated "the unveiling" was written for the seven ecclesia's of minor Asia, and a last attempt to save as many of who call themselves Jews, but are not from the coming wrath of God on Jerusalem.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

I am going to have to read more of your hubs to understand what you are explaining about the book of Revelation.


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PlanksandNails 3 years ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ

Michele,

SwordofManticorE proselytizes his beliefs on pretty much every hub that has the word hell in it.

I would suggest you look up the false teachings of preterism and the doctrine of universal salvation as there is a lot to learn.

Preterism can be rejected because the book of Revelation was not even written until approximately A.D. 95 among many other issues. Universal salvation is also a false belief; it is an over-emphasis on one part of God's character (love), but neglects His righteousness and justice.


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SwordofManticorE 3 years ago from Burlington

PaNs, I have dealt with you before, and the apostle Paul nailed it when he said that many false teachers like you will come when he is gone, on another note about hell and Paul is that he never taught about a place called hell to the gentiles, yet he taught them about the mystery of universal salvation or reconciliation with God. The proof when the book of revelation was written is found in the book itself. God tells us that His mercy triumphs over His judgement, yet you would have us believe in the opposite. You, and many like you are the reason why I stopped going to church on Sunday.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

PlanksandNails thank you for letting me know about the false teachings of preterism and the doctrine of universal salvation. I do not believe in universal salvation. One cannot just be baptized and saved forever. But, I would like to read about pretrism. Thank you very much for letting me know about that.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

SwordofManticorE

Jesus warns us about Hell. In Matthew 13:49-50 "So it will be at the end of the age, the angels will come to separate the wicked from the just, and cast them down into the lake of fire, and there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

What about verses in the bible, that warn us about hell?


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SwordofManticorE 3 years ago from Burlington

Sister, Christ warned the Jews about the coming wrath on Judea. If there is a hell, than why didn't Paul warn the gentiles about it?


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

I believe that Revelation was written to warn all of us. In Revelation there is a period of time, 1000 years where all who have not known about Jesus, or people who are not evil, like Hitler, have a chance to learn. 1,000 years! Paradise will not be empty, there will be so many people in it. God does love all of his children. He does love the world He created.

The wrath on Judea, I am sorry, but I don't know the answer to that. There is so much I don't know.


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SwordofManticorE 3 years ago from Burlington

There is so much you don't know, just as I, but you still haven't told me why Paul never warned the gentiles about a place called hell. Also, if the book of revelations was written AD95 as PnNs stated, why does Rev 11:2 tell us that the temple of Jerusalem was still standing, and the seven ecclesia's of minor Asia would of been more than seven AD95, yet during the time just before the fall of Jerusalem, there were only seven. Once you come to the conclusion that this book was written before AD70, it starts to make sense. It is not an easy read, but slowly it starts the path of divine wisdom for you. I am just starting to scratch the surface.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Actually Paul did preach to the Gentiles look at

Romans 1:13 but I do not want you to fail to know, brothers, that many times I have purposed to come to you, but I have been hindered until now, in order that I might acquire some fruitage. Also, among the rest of the nations.

Romans 1:14 Both to the Greeks and the Barbarians, both to the wise and the senseless ones, I am a debtor.

He wants to teach them, but you are correct, about not teaching them about hell.

Romans 3:9 What then? are we in a better position? Not at all for above we have made the charge that Greeks as well as Jews all all under sin.

However when it comes to the book of Revelation, the author was John of Patmos. He wrote it around 96 A.D. He had been banished to the island of Patmos, and an angel came to him and basically told him what to write. It was a warning of what was going to happen in the future.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Also, when it comes to the wrath on Judea, how do we know that is not going to happen in the future. God's time is not the same as our time.

The temple of Jerusalem might stand again.

Things can change. That is all I can think about. No other answer comes to mind.


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PlanksandNails 3 years ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ

Michele,

Here is a link that in a nutshell simply refutes the preterist position.

http://www.raptureready.com/featured/ice/DateBookR...


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

PlanksandNails that makes a lot of sense to me. Thank you very much for letting me read that. I truly believe Revelation is a warning about the future.


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SwordofManticorE 3 years ago from Burlington

To PnNs, here are links to refute The AD96 belief that the book was written at that time, besides, there is no historic proof, to back that belief.

http://mikeblume.com/revdate.htm

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/revelation.html

http://www.christianevidences.org/messenger-in-the...

Michele, It has been almost 2000 years since the book was written, yet you do not see the logic in the evidence I have given you? In Matt 24, Christ spoke about this future event, but it was Jerusalem's destruction He was talking about. Christ in Rev 1:1 said that these events were to shortly come to pass, not 2000 years later. If I am right, than nothing can be more horrific than the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple at the hands of gentiles. Over a million Jews were slaughtered in this great city. The bodies piled on the streets, and the valley Gehenna was full with bodies burning, and some were the Pharisees and scribes that Christ told that their burial site will be the site were common criminals were thrown instead of Hebron. There was pestilence and disease through out the great city. Neighbor killed neighbor for food. Does this not sound like the four horsemen to you?

There will never be a third temple built, because the slaughter of animals would be senseless, because Christ is the LAST lamb that took all sins apon himself.

Research the Jewish wars to get a better understanding of what I am trying to say to you. I have given up on PnNs long ago. You cannot teach someone who thinks they know it all.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio Author

Please give me some time to do my own research. There is so much I need to learn. And this ( Revelation and the meaning of the New Testament) is probably going to take some time.


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SwordofManticorE 3 years ago from Burlington

Start with Matt 3:10 if I may say. John is telling the Jews that the ax of God (Rome) is already in Jerusalem, and those who will not repent and except their messiah, will be killed and thrown into the valley of Gehenna.

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