Everyone Cannot Be Christian

Everyone Cannot Be Christian, The Way Is Too Narrow

"Enter through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and spacious and broad is the way that leads away to destruction, and many are those who are entering through it. But the gate is narrow (contracted by pressure) and the way is straitened and compressed that leads away to life, and few are those who find it." Matthew 7:13, 14 Amplified Version

Christianity has become a national litmus test in the public arena. The benefits of wrapping oneself in the cloak of Christianity can be staggering. Just look at our politicians, everyone is touting their Christian credentials. They have made, at least in the public arena, Christianity into a 'Designer Religion' for the financially prosperous and powerful.

The mega churches of the world are quick to point out that they have the ear and heart of God within the walls of their huge temple-like Churches, with their wide 'gates' and the many who they sqeeze through them. They must not have Matthew 7:13, 14 in their bibles. Of all the scams that con artists use to bilk people out of their hard earned money, none are more devestating that the ones' that are running rampant through some of our local churches. We have over 1,200 different Christian denominations in the United States, all vying for members. Many of these denominations can't even agree on the basic Christian doctrines. But they can agree on one thing: everyone owe ten percent of all their earnings. We will get into that debate another time. For now we need to know that there is 'NO' substitute for studying the word of God for ourselves. There are wolves in sheeps' clothing, even in the local assemblies.

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blessedmommy 9 years ago from Oklahoma City Metro, Oklahoma

You are right about one thing, we cannot be a Christian in our own power. It takes a life that has been bought by the blood of Jesus. He changes us and lives life through us. I realize that there is a lot of fakery out there, and a lot of these so called mega churches are out for money. But remember, anytime their is a counterfeit, there is also a real. I am living proof that that Jesus really does change lives.

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Wehzo 9 years ago from Detroit, MI Author

I am in full agreement with the comment concerning 'the blood bought life', we, as Christians must acknowledge who the source and sustainer of our lives are. For me it's Jesus Christ. Nevertheless, we also should be prepared to defend, to the unbeliever as well as to those who are seeking, why we believe what we do. It is in this school of thought that I write. The bible tells us to "always be prepared to give an answer for the hope you have in Christ Jesus".

Wherever there is a counterfeit, there is indeed a real. My concern is the many people that are being duped by the counterfeit. This and other similar concerns is what prompted me to take a stand and say 'NO MORE'! The Lord has graciously allowed me to gain insight of his word and person, and it would be negligent on my part if I kept silent about it. I've decided to speak what I know from the rooftops, the mountains and in the valleys. I will be speaking out more on this and other biblical topics.

I speak on this and other topics in my book 'AWAKEN O' SLEEPER', published by Authorhouse Publishers.

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blessedmommy 9 years ago from Oklahoma City Metro, Oklahoma

Yes, they are either duped by the counterfeit or turned off from Christianity altogether. That is why we must have the power of God in our lives. We must be able to provide evidence that our experience is real. We must be able to show proof that Jesus works in our life. I can do these things because my experience is genuine. The real is easy to spot once you're exposed to it. We must pray that God will direct true seekers to the truth, and for even those who are not seeking, that God will let them be influenced by the truth. The key is finding Jesus, not religion.

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Wehzo 9 years ago from Detroit, MI Author

The two groups mentioned in the last comment, the one's who are duped by the counterfeit and the one's who are luke warm, or even cold should be of considerable concern to the men and women in Christ who know better. Someone once said, "Evil triumph when good men and women do nothing", I'm paraphrasing, but I'm sure you understand my point. It's not enough to just know the truth; we must allow the Lord to operate through us to touch and influence the lives of people who come within the sphere of our lives.

Doing that sometimes mean to take a stand against heretical teachings that are circulating within the walls of our local assemblies. Voicing our opposition, and our reasons for the opposition, and not participating in the advancement of teachings that are not biblically sound many times would be enough for others to take a closer look. Silence can be viewed as a public endorsement. We must be careful of what we say, and mindful of what we don't say.

Vincent Von Lupin 9 years ago

I think you need to fight it out amongst yourselves. Lets say this Christmas (ok I know you can't even agree on the date of that holiday, so lets just make it the 23rd and be done with it) all Christians must fight to the death. The winning sect gets to declare itself the real church and has the right to sheer as many sheep as are left. The winner also gets to fight the Muslims in the inter Religion battle but we will save that for later. No you don't like that idea? Wait I thought you were all true believers, shouldn't some one so faithful know that even if his side loses he is still going to heaven, and isn't going to heaven the greatest thing in the world? Why wouldn't you want to act upon your faith and bring yourself to god more quickly? Its not suicide if you are killed by a heathen its Martyrdom an instant guarantee of Heaven.

Plus as a bonus all the rest of us can have your stuff, which will make nice presents.

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Wehzo 9 years ago from Detroit, MI Author

Vincent, while I welcome your comments, I do have to expound a little on a couple of them. I don't know where you acquired your knowledge of Christianity, but I can assure you it is incorrect. There is nowhere in the biblical text (Bible) that speaks of there being some inter Religion battle with Muslims. It sounds to me that you've been exposed to some pseudo-christian teaching. The part that you spoke of 'everyone going to heaven', is definitely 'NOT' a Christian theme. The Christian bible does not support that teaching. Again, your understanding of matyrdom, at least Christian martyrdom, falls short. Christian martyrdom is not in the death of a person, but is in the life of a person. Anyone can die for a cause, or a religion, or even a person. But the one who dies to self, while they yet live, it is that one who is the martyr. Their death is simply the final testament to how they lived.

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cristina327 9 years ago from Manila

Great insight. Great hub.

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cristina327 9 years ago from Manila

I have been a professing christian for the first seven years, when finally I encountered the power of the Word. The Spirit rebuked me that I had been a lukewarm christian.

wehzo 9 years ago

I commend you in your profession of faith, Cristina, I'm also glad to hear that you recognize a need to get more engaged. First, I would like to say that I'm not out to stir contraversies, or play on the fears of people. But, I've noticed a real lack of biblical education in some of our local assemblies, and this cross all racial lines. I've been teaching the bible for twenty (20) years, and believe me when I say that we are in need of good, sound and, accurate bible teaching. I have a book that came out in May of this year, it's called 'Awaken O'Sleeper', published by Author House. If you run across it, get it and read it. I go more into detail on some of these biblical topics.

You sound like someone who has experienced the power of God in your life. It's a wonderful thing, an experience you never forget. Being a teacher by profession gives you contact with many people over the course of your career. That may be fertile ground for you to exemplify the 'Virtuous Woman' spoken of in Proverbs 31.

Mathematics, now there's a subject that most wouldn't consider as a major. You must be exceptional. Math on the level you're talking about would be like doing brain surgery to me. Congratulations on your academic achievements. I hope you continue to search and study the bible for yourself, and with others. The reward is far better when you know ... that you know.

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soyelude 9 years ago from Lagos - Nigeria

This is quite an active hub. It would be nice to get better insights on Jesus than cross-fires. Well done Wehzo...will look out for your book.

Vincent Von Lupin 9 years ago

Whezo the point is that Christians don't agree on what Christianity means or says. The whole point of your article was people who profess faith but differ in their understanding, or are not even Christian. You all can't be right. Some one has got to be wrong, by simple understanding of religion if you are right every one who believes differently is wrong and therefore going to hell. Therefor you are in conflict with every other religion or sect of your religion. So if you follow that through logically you are in a fight against the Muslims, Jews and every one else because inherently in your belief system they are all tools of something you call the devil. Obviously the bible doesn't say there is a fight between Christians and Muslims because Islam wasn't around when the bible was written. But what does the bible say about Pagans. Isn't though shalt not worship false idols clear. By your religious law you have to kill or convert every one else, it is your gods commandment. Well actually it is the god of the Jews who says that but because the Christian bible also includes the old testament you get all of their laws.

My point of Martyrdom was correct because being killed for your belief system is an action of your life, and fits you definition. All Martyrs have one thing in common they die for their beliefs. I think you mean "one who dies to serve" and not "one who dies to self" because to die to self makes no sense. If you do mean" to serve while they still live" I was not mistake in my understanding of Christian martyrdom. If you are killed in pursuit of your faith and in defense of it you are a martyr to your cause. While in your world that may not make sure you get to heaven I hardly see it being held against you, besides only the true believers can be martyred or get to heaven any way so why quibble over that point.

There is no such thing as Pseudo-Christian teachings, any one who claims to be a Christian has as much right as you to define what it means you don't have the monopoly on your religion. All you have to do to be a Christian is to believe that some guy named Jesus is god. That is the base line, any thing else can be debated. I can sacrifice cats to him or children, there is enough in the bible to support human sacrifice, sure its all old testament but so is most of the stuff people pick and chose. The point I was trying to make is that in order for there to be a consensus you have to fight it out amongst your selves; the Catholic Church called it the inquisition and it was responsible for more deaths then the holocost.

I agree every one can not be a Christian or follow your version of Christianity. I am a pluralist and what ever you want to believe is fine so long as it does not negatively affect me. However in order for your religious beliefs to be correct you must believe every one else to be wrong and to be condemned to a horrible fate unless they agree with you. A belief which ultimately causes violence and war.

In closing all religions are scams. A book no one can agree on written by fallible humans who lived in time where people believed lightening was created by an angry god is not proof. Faith is nothing more then the lies you tell yourself to help your sleep at night.

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Wehzo 9 years ago from Detroit, MI Author

Vincent Von Lupin,

I appreciate your comments, it's rather refreshing to have open discussion on things that we are passionate about.

You mentioned in your comment that if one is right everyone else has to be wrong. My position is not one of 'Right' or 'Wrong', since that would be passing judgement, and there is only 'One' who has the 'Authority' to judge. My position, as a Christian, is 'I believe Jesus the Christ to be who he said he is (Bible Account), and I believe his teachings as he passed them through the apostles.

As far as being in conflict with every other religion, I can say assuredly, that is not true. There is no where, that I've found, in the Old or New Testaments where Judaism or Christianity is pitted against other religions. I find just the opposite. It was the surrounding religions, the Baals, the ones who followed Dagon and others, that sought to impose their religions on the Jews. The book of Esther speaks to this issue in particular, given that the Jews were already living in a foreign land (Persia) and certain people of that country sought to exterminate the Jews for no other reason other than their religion. Likewise, in the New Testament the Christians were persecuted and killed for no other reason than they refused to worship the Emperor and other gods.

When you speak of the Inquisition, you are speaking of a time when we, as Christians, should be ashamed. Nevertheless, you are talking about, what was then a deeply divided Church. The western Church, the Roman Catholic, was the half that initiated the Inquisitions. That does not excuse the Eastern Church for allowing it to go on unchecked. But this human failure does not reflect the tenets or nature of the 'True Church'. In every religion you find counterfeit. We are quite aware of the false prophets and churches that sprang up early in the first century. Many of the Apostle Paul's letters to the Churches were making them aware of those that were perverting the teachings of Jesus.

Jesus, or his Apostles, never taught people to stamp out other religions if they did not accept his teachings. In fact, Jesus taught them that, "whoever didn't except their message to leave that place and go to the next town." That don't sound like aggressive confrontation to me.

As far as martyrdom, your understanding is: "If you are killed in pursuit of you faith and in defense of it you are a martyr to your cause". I appreciate your perspective, though, it is not mine. For me, martyrdom is not about dying while in pursuit, and defense of a religion. One can be a martyr outside of religion. I only speak of it in terms of Christianity because it is a part of our history, and is still a part.

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Wehzo 9 years ago from Detroit, MI Author

This is the end of my last comment to Mr. Vincent Von Lupin.

To me martyrdom is not dying for what you pursue and defend, but what you already have, and is committed to holding onto, even unto death.

As far as defining Christianity, no one has a right to 'Re-define' Christianity. Christianity has already been defined, by the Author of our faith, Jesus Christ. Our only responsibility concerning the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles is to uphold what has already been established accurately, and not allow others to define who we are, or what we believe, even if they call themselves christians.

Everyone cannot be a Christian is not about my version, I'm not smart enough to improve on the bible. It's about Jesus version, and whether we accept it or not.

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Patty Inglish, MS 9 years ago from North America

What a splendid Hub and discussion! Wehzo, I'm a fan.

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Wehzo 9 years ago from Detroit, MI Author

Thank you Patty for your comment, I appreciate it.

Vincent Von Lupin 9 years ago

First sorry if this response is worse then my usual poor grammar and spelling, I am suffering from a cold and medicine has made me light headed.

I'm going to ignore the martyrdom part because I think we are just arguing semantics. I'll even go so far as to apologize if it was taken as overly presumptuous on my part to assume your beliefs.

However I'm still left with a lot of questions. First what part of the bible did Jesus write cause every part of the bible is written by a different person and I never remember reading the gospel of Jesus. Yes it is supposed to be his teaching but he is quoted as saying many different and often contradictory things. case in point give me every apostles quote from his death on the cross. Just pointing out the fact that while to you Jesus might be god, or god's agent on earth, and while he may have done some amazing things this is the first time I have heard any one actually claim him to be the author of the bible.

If any one can claim to be the author (new testament) it is Constantine the roman emperor who had the first bible commissioned. Remember there are several books that were not submitted to the bible. I'm not disputing the bibles continued transference, though King James did edit it again, to what we read today, just saying what you worship as the word of god is actually written down by men after at least a hundred years of oral tradition and then latter edited by those same Roman emperors who wanted to be worshiped as gods. Many of the early books were lost and those that remain that weren't included are incomplete.

These books in fact paint a much different picture then the ones that are in the bible. So your point about redefining Christianity is a little late. Christianity is constantly being redefined. For example there are many different sects who espouse many different views. Fred Hampton's hate filled Westburough Babtist church espouses a far different set of ideals from the Quaker Church. Don't want to be presumptious again but from what you have said I will hopefully correctly identify you correctly as a Protestant of evangelical background. That could mean you are a Baptist, or Lutheran, a Methodist, or just a plain nondenominational Christian. All have different interpretations of the word of the bible.

You say there is such a thing as a "true church" (yet apostles disagree in many places) this inherently means all other churches which differ are false. This was my initial point. You personally have defined your group as the true faith and other groups as the false ones. Is it possible that they in fact are the true church and yours the false one. To you that would mean questioning your faith which is the ultimate unforgivable sin so don't bother.

But think on this you have faith in your beliefs but so do they, the only way to ultimately resolve any point of faith is violence. Thats the major problem of faith, it only leads to one possible solution violence and oppression of the "others". It was wrong when the Jews and pagans did it to each other, wrong when the pagans did it to Christians, it was wrong and still is when Christians do it to others, and it was and is wrong when Muslims to it to others as well. Violence in the name of faith is just wrong regardless, if we can all except that then we can move on.

I don't want you to stop having faith, just to understand how the idea of faith is often contradictory with the supposed message within religions. Now Christianity may not go as far as Islam and say all unbelievers must die, but that hasn't stopped its believers from trying to do just that. Who is to say they are wrong, their faith leads them to act as such and their understanding of the word of god is supreme in their own minds, just as yours is in your own.

I can find a justification for just about anything if I look hard enough in the bible. Seeing as how unlike Islam there is no weighing mechanism it is pretty plausible that I can argue it to be supported regardless of where it might be contradicted. But the final straw is that faith is belief regardless of evidence or even in contradiction to mounds of evidence. For example the world is not six thousand years old, it is billions of years old, Dinosaurs did not walk the earth at the same time as man, and evolution is correct Humans and apes evolved from a common ancestor (note this is different then being descendant from monkeys which is the anti evolution obfuscation) all of this is proven by evidence yet many people have faith that tells them otherwise. Which is fine until you try to force other people to believe it which is what is happening right now.

If I was to say I have faith the world is flat it is ok but my faith would put me at odds with others and with reality. It would inherently force me to try to convince others that the world was flat. Evidence disproves it. Similar to the Mormon belief that there were ancient cities of Jews living in America. Ok fine have faith that despite their being a total lack of evidence and lots of evidence to the contrary(the Indians all came from Asia DNA proves this) but you would be upset if you weren't Mormon and that became part of the history lesson in your child's school. This is the inherent form of conflict that is created, people of faith inherently create conflict by espousing their faith as being truth which in turn leads to violence.

So no we can't all be Christians but isn't the point of Christianity to try. Christianity is inherently a faith based on proselytizing. It exists to make as many people as possible Christians. Those who fail to become Christians are left on the end of days or are cast into hellfire. You say you don't judge, but you judge all the time, whether some one fits into your category of a true believer or not. Those who do can be considered as going to heaven and are prejudged by you as burning.

as an aside there are plenty of times in the bible where the Jews are the aggressors. Going so far as to kill and destroy each other and other groups. The Philistines being the first one of the top of my head.(History lesson the Philistines were the first inhabitants of Israel, the land given to the Jews by god was not uninhabited they had to kill for it.) Also remember this is a biased history written by a specific people who claim to be chosen by god, and want to remain racially pure a feat they did by often killing every individual in an area so they don't accidentally mix.(I'm not an anti Semite just want the case to be understood for what it is, and it sucks I need to put in this qualifying statement.)

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blessedmommy 9 years ago from Oklahoma City Metro, Oklahoma

Mr Lupin, although this is not my hub, I would like to share a few things. First of all, I don't know how to debate. Most of the things that you and Mr Wehzo are saying to each other is way over my head. However, it is true that not everyone who "claims" to be a Christian is a Christian, so we cannot be grouped together. A true Christian will be Christ-like. They will be bought by the blood that He shed to pay for our sin and their lives will bear the fruit of holiness. They will not live like Jesus in church and the devil on the street. A true Christian will take on Christ's character even behind closed doors. Also, the Bible is the "inspired" Word of God. God put it on the heart of men what to write and they are indeed His words. There are direct words of Jesus mentioned throughout the New Testament, and the ten commandments were written with God's own finger.

Like I said, I can't debate, but I can tell my experience. Like I said before, we must be able to prove Christ's working in our lives. My life was changed as a child as I felt the Lord dealing with my heart. All throughout my life I have tried to serve him. I have grown to genuinely love him as I begin to better know his character. You said on your bio that you are an atheist. If you really don't believe there is a God, then why do you try so hard to disprove him? Why don't you laugh it off and let people believe in a myth as long as it makes them happy? I don't believe in Santa Claus, but I sure don't get on forums and try to disprove him. The truth is, you must feel threatened by Christianity in some way. You are trying to convince yourself that it's not true. Well, you can give me theory, but I can give you experience. Not only has Jesus saved me, and changed my life, but he has done a whole lot more. He has healed me of a depression that I suffered for years. He healed my son of asthma. He made me a mother when it looked like I may never be one. He healed my sister from a crippling disease in an instant and she went from not being able to walk to running! He healed my niece from double pneumonia when the doctor couldn't give any more hope. I can give these testimonies in detail, and have proof to back them up. I realize that there are counterfeit people who call themselves Christians who claim to be able to do miracles, but they can never provide the evidence to back up their claims. BUT I KNOW WHAT JESUS DID FOR ME!!!

Wehzo 9 years ago

First, I would like to thank you Blessedmommy for sharing your testimonies with us. It is always good to hear someone personally confess such a commitment. God Bless You.

Second, I would like to say that I never mentioned anywhere in any of my hubs, comments or, anywhere else that Jesus wrote anything. In one of my earlier comments I said that he is the 'Author of our Faith', in other words, it all started with him.

Before Jesus was born the Jews lived under the Old Covenant, the Law. If you were born into a Jewish family you were automatically under the Law. Not so under the New Covenant. Just because you are born in a Christian household does not make you Christian. What's the difference? Faith!

Under the Old Covenant faith was not required, but whenever God found it in someone He commended them. Such men like: Noah, Abraham and, Moses. But under the New Covenant 'Faith' is required. The Law was likened unto a schoolmaster. It was purposed to bring Israel to maturation in their understanding of Him, so they would know Him when He came to establish the New Covenant. Because of their constant rebellion and idolatry, they never really grasped it.

Faith is knowing what you believe and why you believe it, even though you can't see it. It is not someone trying to conjure it up to see how it works. Like I mentioned before, we all have a measure of faith. When you go to a restaurant for dinner and the waitress take you to your table you don't question them about whether the chair is strong enough to hold you. You sit down. Let me put it this way, "you believe", "you have faith" that chair will hold you. Don't you? So, the question is not whether you have faith, or even believe in it. The question is: "where do you put yours"? We already know that everyone have a measure of faith.

I can recall that it was mentioned that Christians primary function is to proselytize. To try to convince everyone else to become Christian. Not true. Yes, we are to evangelize (promote the gospel) wherever we walk on the earth. It is not required of us (Christians) to try to convince anyone of anything. Jesus clearly said in the bible, "And I, if and when I am lifted up from the earth (on the cross), will draw and attract all men (Gentiles as well as Jews) to Myself". John 12:32 AMP In another place He says: "No one is able to come to Me unless the Father Who sent Me attracts and draws him and gives him the desire to come to Me, and (then) I will raise him up (from the dead) at the last day". John 6:44 AMP

So you see, we are not obligated to convince anyone to have faith in Jesus. This would be hard to understand for someone who don't believe in God to begin with. After all, it is God who draws them, not us.

If you believe the bible speaks with a biased tongue, then what is your comment on the history told from the tongue of one 'Tacitus'? A Roman historian that speaks to many of the same things found in the bible, and in other Christian documents. What about 'Josephus', the well respected Jewish historian. He was Jewish, but not Christian. And then you have Polycarp, a well educated, respected phylosopher, who became Bishop of the Church in Egypt. Many of his writings have survived unto today. This is a man who possibly new Jesus, was appointed Bishop by the Apostle Peter himself. How much closer do we need to get?

There is a saying that I love in times like these: 'A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still'.

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Real Talk 9 years ago

Great hub! I have to agree with most of what Vincent is saying, because it's true. I'm a spiritual individual but I'll be honest even if most won't. Religion was created to confuse and to only bring glory for the creaters of it. Man has placed info in the Bible in a way that will allow better focus on Governmental gain. I'm not so sure it's Vincent that is scared of Christianity, I believe it's MOST christians that are afraid of something, and with the Bible as their tool, they judge and try to create ways to dis-credit those with other believes. Wrong or right!

It's funny because these religions have become like gangs. You can't just believe in God, Jesus, Allah or anything else without excepting everything that comes with it whether it's good or bad. It's almost silly that debates and things of this nature still go on today. "True Christians", every Christian that I talk to say they're a true Christian and all of them will give me a different way to look at something stated in the Bible. Usually it's the way they see it to best fit what they're doing in life at the moment. In my opinion, the sooner people quit thinking that they have to claim something or some group all the time, the better life would be. When you claim things other than the love of God and the willingness to try your best to walk like Jesus or Mohammad or whomever, you have to engage yourself in debates such as these trying to find answers and defend topics that a lot of people of their own faith don't even believe or trust. Things like the Bible are meant to be tools to help you get to a certain point in your life. Unless everyone has a special Bible that has been written just for them it can only be looked at as a tool for life, because God made everyone with different abilities, colors, brain power, and a whole host of other differences that one structure of living couldn't possibly cover. I feel that God teaches me something new everyday so the buck didn't stop with the Bible. I think God wants us to be open-minded and open to change if need be, he'll show you in most cases. How crazy are we to think that everything that we need or need to know only came about 1000's of years ago. Sometimes I think people mistake stubborness for faith! Real Talk...

Wehzo 9 years ago

Thank you for your comments 'Real Talk'. I must confess, you are genuinely true to what you believe. Though I'm not sure what that is yet. In one sentence you speak of what you think God want us to be like, and in another sentence you don't hold to any particular faith. I'm confused! Nevertheless, if you do some research you will find that much of the bible is found in thousands of historical documents that have nothing to do with religion or Christianity. Look at the documentations of the Roman Emperors, or the history of the Pharoahs, or better yet, look in the library of Egypt, Syria, Turkey, Iran or Russia even. Embedded in all of their history is references to biblical history.

The purpose of writing this hub, and others, is not to convince anyone of anything. It's simply stating my position and encouraging other like minded Christians to 'Return to their first Love'. There is no way that I can convince anyone against their will. In one of my earlier comments I stated a well known saying, 'A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still'. That is a true saying, and if I'm correct, it did not come from a Christian. We use the term 'True Christians' because, just like Muslims and other religions, there are some who say they are Christians when they really are not. People have been trying to redefine Christianity for many years, commercialize it and turn it into something that it's not. I for one am tired of it, and decided to speak out and expose the charlatans for what they are.

I don't know all there is to know in the bible, nor do I pretend to. What I do know is when I hear something that is not true, and that is when I speak out boldly.

I had the privilege of coming to my belief without any pre-prejudices. I wasn't a member of any Church, didn't belong to any denomination and, wasn't brought to Christ by any ministry. My encounter with my God was personal and individual, and in a prison cell. I was a career criminal for 18 years, and drug (heroin and cocain) addicted for 15 years. My background was as far away from the Church as you can get. Yet, I've been drug free for 22 years. I got out of prison in September of 1992 after spending 9 years of my life behind bars, and started working for one of the big three in March of 1993, and am still there. There is one thing I always say to people who are of the same school of thought as yourself, 'Eternity Is Too Long, To Be Wrong'!

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Real Talk 9 years ago

I don't have to claim any faith for you to understand what I am saying, true? Like I said why can't I have faith that there is a higher being (God) without claiming a group? It seems to me that's when the confusion comes in and the battles of whos faith is the "real" faith or whos a "true Christian" and whos not, all because of different doctrine within the same group of individuals. That was part of my point.

I live a very spiritual life, loving and doing my part to protect all of God's creations. I don't  judge because I'm not in a position to. I like your hub, the only thing that is hurtful to me is that when people start discussing things like this it always turns into whos right or what faith, or how you practice a particular faith, is the real deal. People end up doing the opposite of what MOST religions really are asking us to do, love and build with each other in a positive manner. But it seems our beliefs about who's God is right or how you're supposed to worship God stands in the way of what, "I THINK", we are all supposed to be doing.

God is all things to all people! I think it's great when people find whatever it is they find that makes them interested in doing good and living a better life. That's great how you have turned your life around through finding God or God finding you, however it went.

I just want to bring some simple things to your attention. You told me you don't judge or try and convince people that your faith is the ONLY faith that can get you the promise land, and I like the quote with it, I use that one a lot myself. But it seems you feel that others are wrong, whether you say it out loud or not, for not practicing the same faith structure as yours. Statements like, "There is one thing I always say to people who are of the same school of thought as yourself, 'Eternity Is Too Long, To Be Wrong!" What is my school of thought? Is my school of thought wrong, eventhough, like you stated you don't know what faith group I represent? I'm sure you're not worried about eternity because your beliefs are right but I should take to your warning because eternity is to long for me to think the way I think huh? Sounds like you may be passing alittle judgment on me for the way I think. I don't know, maybe we should all pay closer attention to your little quote at the end there...Great Hub! Real Talk!

Wehzo 9 years ago

Thank you 'Real Talk' for your comments once again. I do apolgize if I seem to come off judgemental. My belief doesn't leave room for that, and I quote the 'Eternity Is Too Long To Be Wrong' phrase to Christians and Non-Christians alike.

I'd like to share something with you 'Real Talk', my very best friend that I've known since I was 15 years old is not a Christian. In fact, in many ways he ridicules Christianity. But he's still my best friend. I said that to say, while I am a firm believer in Jesus and his gospel, I am in no way closed to the rest of the world. My thing is helping those who are of the same faith as myself, but may need help in one area or another. I am not out to evangelize, that is not my area of passion, though I will should the need arise, I am about helping to strengthen, encourage and teach those who are already believers. Occassionally I will minister to unbelievers, but only when they come to the Church or ask me questions concerning the bible where ever I am. What I say doesn't make me right, and what I believe doesn't make it so. I happen to have sufficient enough evidence 'For Me' to believe what I do. Everyone has to make there own choices in life, and no one, whether they be Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Zoroastrianism or, any other religion has a right to impose there beliefs on anyone. It is an individual choice. Once that choice has been compromised it doesn't matter what you believe. Another saying of mine is: "If I can talk you into something, someone else can talk you out of it".

Iðunn 9 years ago

Excellent hub. I like especially your last personal comment and agree. I am pleased with my religion and I would love to see everyone find God in whatever way they can and wish them the same happiness from spirituality that I gain.

Wehzo 9 years ago

Thank You for your comment, I appreciate it very much.

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christinekv 9 years ago from Washington

Wow, what a discussion - Praise the Lord! Blessed Mommy and Whezo, thank you both for sharing some of your testimonies. I've heard it said before there is nothing more powerful than a personal testimony because it's personal... people may or may not believe it, but they are hard to refute. Through my story, God brought someone else into the Kingdom. As a fellow ambassador of the Lord God Almighty, in particular I want to say well done to you Whezo in your responses.

I appreciate those who are not Christians sharing their viewpoints as well, bringing to light so many of the common objections that exist. If one visits my hubs, you will see that I do not believe in arguing but being able to freely express and show respect for one another in differing viewpoints - thank God we live in the land of the free and the home of the brave!

If you are not a Christian and have not experienced for yourself a personal relationship w/ Jesus, many things illustrated in this hub are going to be hard to accept and understand. I believe Whezo not only has a teaching gift, but also operates in the prophetic. Understanding spiritual giftings is only for those who are mature in Christ. Blessed Mommy may have a gift of healing since she has experienced and witnessed so much of it....and these gifts come through the Holy Spirit, the promised One Jesus gave to those who believe and have received. Jesus is the same yesterday today and forever and that power that comes from on High is available to us Christians who have Faith in Him....we are told in the Bible, in Jesus' own words, that His followers would do even greater things than He....there are places in this world where Christians are more FREE (not talking government here) than Christians are here in the USA and I think that may have something to do with Whezo's efforts to admonish us in the first place.....some luke warm or cold 'church going' people may have made Jesus Saviour but they have not made him LORD... and they live in Fear...in some African countries where the move of the Holy Spirit is not hindered because of the hearts of those who inhabit that region, people are being raised from the dead, people are miraculously being healed from diseases such as AIDS but you won't hear about this in our media because it gives GLORY to GOD! As believer's we need to pray for change targeting 7 spheres of society....1. Arts and Media (including liberal Hollywood for God so loved them too....) 2. Healthcare (another area miracles occur is hospitals and that's bad for business - especially the pharmaceutical companies!) 3. Education 4. Families 5. Churches 6. Government 7. Businesses.

I'm glad we all have backgrounds/histories, interestes and other commonalities that connect us to one another, regardless of what we believe. I think there are a couple responses to this hub by people who may be more of a new age belief system and my preChrist experience is of that background.

For Vincent, since you make mention of 'evidence' I would encourage (and challenge) you to check out a couple of books by Josh McDowell, a former atheist...the quick read is "More than a Carpenter" and the more detailed, thesis style writing is "Evidence that Demands a Verdict." I believe we are not to believe things blindly but to not to be so confident in being educated and possesing knowledge that we close off our hearts. Knowledge, IT says, 'puffs up.' Facts are supposed to come before Faith, Faith before Feelings yet all three are necessary components of the Christian Faith.

Man, I should have started another HUB! Hope you don't mind Whezo! There was so much content here that prompted all this.

Lastly to ponder, what about the wind??? We can't see it, but we can see the affects of it, we feel it, we know it is real. There is a deeper spiritual significance pertaining to the wind, but it's all part of the wonder, and some of the mystery that only in having veils removed through digging deeper will anyone be able to comprehend. How deep one is willing to dig is a personal decision.....

Wehzo 9 years ago

Wow! Great response Christinekv. I'm delighted we walk together and agree on so many issues, including the seven (7) regions you outlined. I have a personal stake in the investments I make in life, and people in particular, because of Him, Jesus Christ, who lives. Those who have much are required to give more, and that does not pertain to money only, though it can include it. I, primarily, give in other ways. I did not complete my formal education. I didn't go to high school, not even for a day, yet God, in his gracious Wisdom, chose one such as myself, and I'm sure others, to teach his word to his people. That is one of the miracles of my life. I don't want to turn this response into a new hub so, God bless you, and Thank you for your gracious comments.

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Patty Inglish, MS 9 years ago from North America

Winkey Pratney and others made a mathematic study 25 yrs ago of the structure of original Bible languages and found the same number of syllables in each verse in the Old testament, but this phenomenon occured no where else int he written history of the languages. This is used to support the premise that the writers were all inspired by one Spirit. Pratney found the New Teatment languages also written with the same number of syllables per verse throughout all the books.

I've heard nothing more about this since the original radio broadcast.

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Wehzo 9 years ago from Detroit, MI Author

Thank you Patty for bringing this contribution to bear on this topic. The Bible says: " Like iron sharpens iron, so does man sharpen man."

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jkizmo2007 9 years ago from Tagbilaran, Bohol Philippines

Thanx for visiting my hub, well you are right that not all of us can be christians, it is a matter of what you believe..the most important is we believe that there is God aboved us watching us closely......................... Good day

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Peter M. Lopez 9 years ago from Sweetwater, TX

I think you have hit upon the very core of what divides us: Christianity as being exclusive not inclusive. Can you imagine the real Jesus, dirty, sweaty, probably smelly, walking into one of the designer churches and sitting next to the suburbanite couple who share their unisex cologne/perfurme? Not only would He not be recognized, He'd probably be ushered out.

I sense this is going to change, soon Your lesson, "there is 'NO' substitute for studying the word of God for ourselves" is being heard, and change is coming.

Thank you, again, for a great hub.

Wehzo 9 years ago

Thank you Peter for your gracious comment. I am pretty certain that change is marching onward like a mighty wave, and we had better be ready to give an answer for the hope we have in Jesus Christ.

JosiahOneil 8 years ago

Great discussion guys. I Believe that as Beleivers in Jesus Christ we have a responsibilty, to arduously present the Truth about Jesus, and the posibillity of salvation, for all people. We need to take higher stands in our dedication to Christ, and fully commited to Jesus, no matter what that means. Jesus is the Only way, and we are the only embassadors this world has, my question is are we accurately representing Jesus and His word? Well said Wehzo, lets dive into the Word of God, and rightly divide the truth, knowing our Father and His character we wouldnt be so divided. I am a follower of Jesus, not a denomination.

Wehzo 8 years ago

Thank you for your gracious comment, and your valuable contribution to this discussion. Thanks for visiting.

SirDent 8 years ago

You know them by their fruit. If they plant hate they are not of God. If they plant love and spread the gospel of Jesus Christ then they are of God.

Great hub. :)

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Wehzo 8 years ago from Detroit, MI Author

Thank you SirDent for your comment, and for visiting my hub. God bless you.

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Patty Inglish, MS 8 years ago from North America

We can witness by our lives, if words do not work well with some folks. The frut may touch their hearts and soften them for Christ and the kingdom. Nevertheless, out pastor teaches us that Jesus deserves to see the fruits of his suffering on the cross as the redemption of mankind, by seeing salvations occur through our witness. Still, not everyone will be saved or the whole universe will be in heaven at once. I'm convinced that if everything were in one diminsion at once (like heaven), then Creation would be reversed to nonexistance or whatever "was", before Creation. Heavy abstract thoughts -- The brain is not big enough to now them.



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Wehzo 8 years ago from Detroit, MI Author

Thank you Patty for those heartfelt comments. Indeed, our brain is not big enough, at least mine isn't.

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Vladimir Uhri 7 years ago from HubPages, FB

I do not like when tearing down mega churches. I am however not member of one. But I am for grow, aren't you? I think that the Church in Jerusalem was 50.000 members. I think it is premature to judge and not good at all. I believe in tithing. It is not command but it is the blessing.

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Wehzo 7 years ago from Detroit, MI Author

I am not against Mega-Churches, but, Jesus said, "The sheep that are my own hear and are listening to My voice; and I know them, and they follow Me". John 10:27 AMP

It's kind of hard to get to personally know 50,000 people. Jesus said He would never put more on us than we can bear. I don't think it's fair for someone to belong to a Church and have never personally met the pastor. Not to mention protecting them from false doctrine, and the like. How do you protect them from falsehood that will likely be floating around them in their neighborhood, schools, workplace, etc.,

You must be able to disciple those the Lord has placed in your care, and protect them from false doctrine. That would be kind of hard in a huge Church with many thousands of members.

God Bless

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Vladimir Uhri 7 years ago from HubPages, FB

Vincent Von Lupin says:

If I was to say I have faith the world is flat it is ok but my faith would put me at odds with others and with reality. It would inherently force me to try to convince others that the world was flat. Evidence disproves it.

Mr. Vincent: It was actually science not the Bible

believing that the earth is flat. Bible said it was round.

It is different between religion and biblical believer. Religion is an opinion of man. But I do not say that all religion is bad. It is only all religion is wrong.

It does not mean anything that Jesus write or not the Bible or NT. I do not write my records either, I dictate it. I can afford it. I am sure that Mr. Lupin honor court proceedings especially witnessing stands. This is what court is about, is it? It is not who wrote the Bible it is what they wrote. There is two pillars: 1. faith, 2. love which Bible stands on. Those are God's ideas and they never change. The science always changes because it is based on the matter and time, which is subject of constant change.

To my friend (I hope), Wehzo. It is estimated that the Church in Jerusalem was 50,000. OK, I let you win. :-). But shortly after the miracles first church experienced there was 8,000 new convert besides existing members. That's is on the record. Still they handled it. It was faith and love, not religion yet. The pastor do not own the church, God does. I love you and nice meeting you.

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Wehzo 7 years ago from Detroit, MI Author

Thank you Vladimir Uhri, for your contribution to this hub. It is true that the Pastor does not own the Church, Jesus the Christ is the head of the Church. Being a disciple of Jesus, I love you as well, and I am glad to have met you.

God Bless You

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