Lucifer The Light-Bringer!

Lucifer The Light-Bringer

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Bringing The Light!

© 2005 VVeasey Publishing

10/22/09

Hi! I’m sure this hub is gonna ruffle a few Christian feathers, but I don’t mean any harm by anything I say…just bringing up some points that seem valid to me. So try to keep an open mind and your emotions in check, until you've heard what I have to say. Thanks!

You’ve been duped, hoodwinked, as Malcolm X once told black people, about God, Jesus, Lucifer and Satan. (Malcolm was referring to the history of black people)

But first, before we get to the meat of our meal, a few definitions.


Jesus as a light-bringer

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Jesus Son Of The Morning Star

(Satan means adversary from Middle English, from Old English, from Late Latin, from Greek, from Hebrew śāṭān adversary. (Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary)

Lucifer from Latin, means morning star, or literally light-bearing, and the planet Venus when appearing as the morning star (Random House College Dictionary)

Light means something that makes vision possible from Middle English, from Old English lēoht; akin to Old High German lioht light, Latin luc-, lux light, lucēre to shine, Greek leukos white

Its symbolic meaning is, spiritual illumination, inner light. enlightenment., Truth, public knowledge <facts brought to light>b: a particular aspect or appearance presented to view <saw the matter in a different light,: a particular illumination. something that enlightens or informs <shed some light on the problem (Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary)

Interesting, so how did Lucifer which means light-bearing or light bringer, associated with Venus the planet or Goddess of Love, become associated with darkness and evil?

We’ll tackle that question in due time.

By the previous definitions above anything or anyone that opposes you, whether it’s for your benefit or your detriment, is your adversary, your Satan. If you’re trying to help a Heroin addict kick an addiction against her will, you’re acting as her Satan.

On the other hand anyone who brings you light (spiritual illumination) is your Lucifer, because as you’ve seen above one of the meaning of light is “something that enlightens or informs”.

Jesus called himself a light-bringer, a Lucifer.

“John 9:5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world”.

Jesus was a light-bringer who claimed to bring light (knowledge) to the world. He even claimed to be the very light he brought! Jesus was a Lucifer?

Jesus even says he’s the son of Lucifer

"I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things for the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright, the morning star".(The American Standard version)

Jesus said David is Lucifer (the morning star) and he’s Lucifer’s (David) son.

Interesting!

And the plot thickens!


Buddha as a light-bringer

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Buddha The Light-Bringer

In ancient India three thousands years before Jesus there were light-bringing Lucifers called munis. Buddha five hundred years before Jesus was called shakyamuni.

It was said of a muni that, “ He can look beyond the body, the mind, even fully upon that divine light which one associates with heaven. He can gaze fully upon that splendor which would dazzle the ordinary mortal; he is even said to be that light in the sense of reflecting it on earth; he is that light” (Just as was said about Jesus hundreds of years later)

( “Yoga and Beyond”, pg 102 Georg Feuerstein, Jeanine Miller, Shocken Books, New York 1972)


Prometheus The Light-Bringer

Another light-bringing Lucifer was Prometheus (his name means foresight) of the Greek religion, who stole the fire of the Gods, gave it to humans and was punished by the god Zeus for this offense.

(Prometheus - (Greek mythology) the Titan who stole fire from Olympus and gave it to mankind; Zeus punished him by chaining him to a rock where an eagle gnawed at his liver until Hercules rescued him” (The Free Dictionary.com)

Fire symbolizes light, which symbolizes knowledge; Prometheus gave humans the knowledge (fire) that the Gods didn’t want to share with mankind.

(Prometheus has become a symbol of lonely and valiant resistance to authority Aeschylus wrote a play, Prometheus Bound, and Percy Byssh Shelley wrote a long poem entitled “Prometheus Unbound.” (Online Dictionary.com)


Prometheus as a light-bringer

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Adam And Eve And The Talking Serpent

The Talking Serpent As The Light-Bringer

Something similar happened in the Garden of Eden story in the Old Testament.

The talking serpent (if you believe in talking serpents) in the Garden of Eden story was said to be the devil, the father of lies, but the serpent was a light-bringer who helped Adam and Eve acquire the knowledge (light) of good and evil that made them like God.

“Genesis 3: 4-6 “But the serpent said to the woman, "You will not die. 5 For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." 6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, (see, the tree made you wise) she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat” (King James Version).

Later we read,

Genesis 3:22 “And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil” (King James Version).

The Lord God confirms what the serpent told the woman was true, they had become like God knowing good and evil! The serpent told the truth so how could it the father of lies?

As was the case with Prometheus the serpent was punished by the God of the Old Testament with a curse for this offense.

Genesis 3:14 “And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life”

The serpent represents a light-bringing Lucifer like Jesus, Prometheus and Buddha.


The Serpent Of Brass

Jesus Compares Himself To The Serpent!

You don’t believe it?

Jesus even identifies himself with the serpent,

”John 3:14-15 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life."

If the serpent is evil or the Devil why is Jesus identifying himself with the serpent?

Christians say Lucifer was punished for daring to want to be like God (equal to God in knowledge) by being kicked out of heaven. But this is not true.

The only mention of Lucifer in the Old Testament is the prophet Isaiah referring to the king of Babylon by that name.

Isaiah 14:12 How are you fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how are you cut down to the ground, which did weaken the nations!

Easton’s revised Bible Dictionary says this about Lucifer, “Lucifer Brilliant star, a title given to the king of Babylon in Isaiah 14:12 to denote his glory”,

A person’s glory denotes something special about them, their exploits, deeds, fame etc., that made them shine like the rays of the sun or a bright star (the sun is a star) so they were said to be glorious like the rays of the sun.

Isaiah appears to be using Lucifer, metaphorically, to say that the Babylonian king was like a bright shining star that has now fallen from grace (heaven) or his position of power. Read the all of the text that precedes Isaiah 14:12 and the verses following 14:12 down to verse 23 and you’ll see what I mean.


Being Like God

Anyway,

Even if It was true that there was a Lucifer and he wanted to be like God what‘s so bad about that? Shouldn’t we all want be like God, if God is the ideal role model? But as you see, Lucifer just means light-bearer or light-bringer or the morning star, and is used metaphorically by Isaiah for the king of Babylon. But unfortunately, Lucifer has come down through Christian history, as a real being.

Think of all the fear that’s been passed down with this name to Christians and others and how it has afflicted minds throughout history and is still afflicting Christian minds, today, as we speak.


The Greek God Pan

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The Devil

The traditional image of the Devil as a half-man half-goat, is just a rehashed image of the ancient Greek god of fertility and sexuality, Pan, who had the lower body of a goat, the upper body of a man and two horns on his head. Ancient Greek religion had many such half-goat men called satyrs, as well as half-horse men called centaurs.

(Devil Gr. diabolos), a slanderer, the arch-enemy of man's spiritual interest (Job 1:6; Rev. 2:10; Zech. 3:1). He is called also "the accuser of the brethen" (Rev. 12:10). In Lev. 17:7 the word "devil" is the translation of the Hebrew _sair_, meaning a "goat" or "satyr" (Isa. 13:21; 34:14), alluding to the wood-daemons, the objects of idolatrous worship among the heathen).Dictionary.com

After reading that. I'm sure you see why the devil is depicted as half-man half-goat. The Hebrew word, sair, translated as devil literally means goat. Case closed.


The Early Catholic Christians Demonizes The Gods Of Other Religions

When the early Catholic Church was carrying out its mission of converting other cultures to their brand of Christianity, they demonized the gods of those cultures because they were competition for the god they were trying to get them to accept. Thus, the half-goat God Pan was transformed into the image of the Christian Devil.

Pan was the perfect choice for this endeavor because of his association with fertility and sexuality. So the Devil was made the epitome of uncontrolled lust and sexuality. Various takes on that image have come down to us today.

Fundamentalist religious belief is never supportive of individual freedom, independence or democracy. It supports spiritual dependency, ignorance, and slavery. It’s based on belief and non-critical thinking.

If people are physically free but their minds (spirits) are controlled by what others think or by cultural and religious conditioning, are they really free or are they spiritual slaves? Or even worse spiritual humanoids.

To recap, everything that makes humans independent of God’s will is called Satan or Lucifer in the Bible.

I think that religious officials created these stories about Satan and Lucifer to help scare their religious flock into subjugation to the will of God, which was actually their will, disguised as the will of God, so they could control their minds and money.

So that’s how, in a nutshell, Lucifer which means light-bringer and is associated with Venus the morning star and the Goddess of love, became associated with the opposite qualities of darkness, sin and evil.

But as you've seen, Lucifer is neither Satan nor the Devil.

That was the true Light, which lights every man that comes into the world. John 1:9 (American King James version)

The original light that literally lights everyone that comes into the world, is the Sun.

Just as all the planets in our Solar system receive their light from the sun ( sun from the Latin Sol)


Sol Invictus "The Invisible Sun"

The Sun Was The Original Image Of God

The Sun God was the original image of God and all the other light-bringers were his Sons that's why, they have the rays of the sun glowing around their heads or bodies.

The Morning Star is also the planet Venus. Venus is a bright star that can be seen in the sky just before sunrise. The Morning Star was said to precede and herald (announce) the coming of the Light, (the sun, the sun god).

Just as John the Baptist was said to precede and herald (announce) the coming of the light, Jesus. This was thousands of years before the Bible, Jesus or Christianity existed

I think we see a pattern here

The Roman Emperor Constantine, who help create the Roman Catholic version of Christianity, worshiped the sun god, Sol Invictus (The Invincible Sun). That's why Sunday is the Christian holy day (the sun god's day).

Jesus' birthday is December 25 because this was when the festival of Dies Natalis Solis Invicti (The Birthday of Sol Invictus, the invincible sun) was celebrated.

This was also the birthday of another Roman God imported from Persia, Mithra. Mithra was born December 25, in a cave and three wise men brought him gilts to honor his birth when he was born. Mithra was called "the good shepherd,” "the way, the truth and the light,” “redeemer,” “savior,” “Messiah." Mithra was buried in a tomb and after three days he rose again. His resurrection was celebrated every year. Mithra proceeded the story of Jesus by about 600 years.

When the so called pagan scholars and wise men pointed out to the Roman Catholic clergy that these things they associated with Jesus wasn't original. Their defense was that, Satan (this phantom gets blamed for everything doesn't it) knowing that Jesus was going to born thousands of years later. Created all of this to confuse later Roman Christians about which of these Gods was the true one. And of course the true God was their God.

Boy oh Boy...Talk about some outstanding self-defensive-rationalizing! Whew!

The early Roman Catholic clergy transferred these so-called, pagan holidays and beliefs, into Christianity, to make it easier to convince the pagans they were trying to convert, to sign onto this new religious cult, they were trying to establish.

After all, they were all former pagan priests and officials themselves.


The Ancient Israelites Worshiped The Stars And The Heavenly Bodies

The ancient Israelites worshiped the stars (the Sun is a star) and planets referring to them in the bible as the "Heavenly Host" This is part of an article in the Jewish Encyclopedia, about "Star Worship Among The Israelites), I quote,

"This is perhaps the oldest form of idolatry practiced by the ancients. According to Wisdom xiii. 2, the observation of the stars in the East very early led the people to regard the planets and the fixed stars as gods. The religion of the ancient Egyptians is known to have consisted preeminently of sun-worship. Moses sternly warned the Israelites against worshiping the sun, moon, stars, and all the host of heaven (Deut. iv. 19, xvii. 3); it may be said that the prohibition of making and worshiping any image of that which is in heaven above (Ex. xx. 4; Deut. v. 8) implies also the stars and the other celestial bodies.

The Israelites fell into this kind of idolatry, and as early as the time of Amos they had the images of Siccuth and Chiun, "the stars of their god" (Amos v. 26, R. V.); the latter name is generally supposed to denote the planet Saturn.

That the kingdom of Israel fell earlier than that of Judah is stated (II Kings xvii. 16) to have been due, among other causes, to its worshiping the host of heaven.

But the kingdom of Judah in its later period seems to have out-done the Northern Kingdom in star-worship.

Of Manasseh it is related that he built altars to all the host of heaven in the two courts of the house of Yhwh, and it seems that it was the practice of even kings before him to appoint priests who offered sacrifices to the sun, the moon, the planets, and all the host of heaven. Altars for star-worship were built on the roofs of the houses, and horses and chariots were dedicated to the worship of the sun (ib. xxi. 5; xxiii. 4-5, 11-12).

Star-worship continued in Judah until the eighteenth year of Josiah's reign (621 B.C.), when the king took measures to abolish all kinds of idolatry (ib.). But although star-worship was then abolished as a public cult, it was practiced privately by individuals, who worshiped the heavenly bodies, and poured out libations to them on the roofs of their houses (Zeph. i. 5; Jer. viii. 2, xix. 13).

Jeremiah (vii. 18) describes the worship of the queen of heaven to have been more particularly common among the women. Ezekiel, who prophesied in the sixth year of the captivity of Jehoiachin (591 B.C.), describes the worship of the sun as practiced in the court of the Temple (Ezek. viii. 16 et seq.), and from Jer. xliv. 17 et seq.

It may be seen that even after the destruction of the Temple the women insisted on continuing to worship the queen of heaven.

In Job (xxxi. 26 et seq.) there is an allusion to the kissing of the hand in the adoration of the moon", End Of quote.

Now before some of you start writing me nasty comments because you disagree with my views. Let me say that, I don’t think all religious clergy or believers are bad or dishonest. I think most are honest and sincere about their religious beliefs.

They’ve bought the party line and probably never really questioned the foundations of what they believe or the issues that I’m raising.

If they did and discovered holes in the plot, they probably figured that God’s ways were “past understanding” and just took it on faith that it’ll all be explained one day, when they get to “the great by and by!"

But how do they know that what they believe is true? How do they know that what they read in their religious texts is true? How do you know? Or do you and they just base your beliefs on others beliefs?


The Heavenly Host

Thoth

Who's A Lucifer!

Since I’m bringing light to you on this subject. I guess that makes me a Light-bringing Lucifer.

Now that you’ve seen this light, that makes you a Light-bringing Lucifer.

And if you share this light with others that’ll make them Light-bringing Lucifers.

In fact, the ultimate spiritual goal is for all of us to become Light-bringing Lucifers of the True Light to the minds and hearts of all!

Now that's a mouthful!

I leave you with this, for those who want to point-out that Lucifer is the Latin name for the Greek, Phosphorus, as if that somehow changes its meaning.

Phosphorus "The form of elemental phosphorus to be produced (white phosphorus, in 1669) emits a faint glow upon exposure to oxygen – hence its name given from Greek mythology, Φωσφόρος meaning "light-bearer" (Latin Lucifer), referring to the "Morning Star", the planet Venus. The term "phosphorescence ", meaning glow after illumination, originally derives from this property of phosphorus" (Wikipedia)

Lucifer, ( Latin: Lightbearer) Greek Phosphorus, or Eosphoros, in classical mythology, the morning star (i.e., the planet Venus at dawn); personified as a male figure bearing a torch, Lucifer had almost no legend, but in poetry he was often herald of the dawn. In Christian times Lucifer came to be regarded as the name of Satan before his fall. It was thus used by John Milton (1608–74) in Paradise Lost, and the idea underlies the proverbial phrase “as proud as Lucifer.” (Encyclopedia Britannica Online)

As I said throughout history there have been many light-bringing Lucifers like, Jesus, Socrates, the Heretic 18th Egyptian Dynasty Pharaoh Akhenaton, Pythagoras and others who attempted to bring the light (knowledge) of independence to the minds of people and were ostracized, tortured, crucified, exiled or killed for it.

The original light-bringer was the ancient Egyptian God Thoth, who was called the word of the God Ra (as the much later Jesus was said to be the word of the Christian God). In his role as the word of God,Thoth taught mankind the arts, sciences and the knowledge of the Gods. He brought the "light" of knowledge to mankind

So you see how this all has to do with light, illumination and knowledge?

I thought you would!

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moino 4 years ago

Thanx for bringing light on the Pan origin of the Christian Lucifer.

Quote: "I think that religious officials created these stories about Satan and Lucifer to help scare their religious flock into subjugation to the will of God, which was actually their will, disguised as the will of God, so they could control their minds and money."

Neat and concise summary! You may as well have said "their god / their idol" instead of "God".


moino 4 years ago

Having second thoughts... But why then did the early catholic church choose to call "Pan" Lucifer ? As Lucifer was previously a positive name... In Other words, why did they choose to demonise the name "Lucifer" ?


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Paul K Francis 4 years ago from east coast,USA

Illuminating hub. Something to think about.


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molouishomme 4 years ago from Colorado Springs

vveasey,

That's an interesting perspective, but you have to take into account that the book of Isaiah, where the name Lucifer shows up was written in Hebrew. Lucifer is the Latin name for Phosphorus. The writer of the book Isaiah wouldn't have the slightest idea what a Lucifer was. Clearly the translator's of the Hebrew text did.

When Jesus compared Himself to the serpent on the pole, He was stating His purpose for coming. In order to die for the sins of the world He had to embody the sins of the world. Sin is often symbolized in the bible by serpents.

What the serpent in Genesis was offering Eve was reliance on her own understanding and righteousness, instead of Gods. Basically, its the choice between faith in Gods righteousness(tree of life) verses religiously try to establish your own(tree of knowledge).

According to 2 Corinthians 11:14, Satan (the adversary) can transform himself into an angel of light. There's really only two "realities", the truth and corruptions of the truth.

In conclusion, Religion is a billion dollar industry. The people that we assume to have understanding really don't. The rest of us are simply too ignorant to argue with "educated" authorities.We accept the various religions they offer us, and their's practically a religion tailor made for each of us. The theory of evolution is no exception. It's still a theory(religion) for a reason. Sadly, money makes the world go round, and when money is god, people will lie, steal, rape, murder, create conflicts, and purposely keep the masses ignorant to possess it.

Maurice


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

moino

Generally speaking when the early catholic church was trying to convert the socalled pagans and heretic Christians to their version of Christianity, they demonized the Gods and Goddesses of those religions.

They said that the pagan Christ-savior type Gods who proceeded Jesus by thousands of years. Were created by the devil to confused the later true believers about who the real savior was.

Now if that ain't some convoluted, rationalizing. and probably out right lying I don't know what is.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Paul K Francis

You said "Illuminating hub. Something to think about".

Yep and that's what it's all about


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Ericdierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

Weasey a great hub, again. Phosphorus burn easy and fast and hot, while providing a light. Lucifer is a translation of the name for that substance.

Is it your thought that Christians cannot comprehend what Lucifer the word means. There is this guy they call Bo Cephus. Simon was renamed Peter which is Cephus which is rock. I do not think Hank Williams Jr. is a rock, but that is his nickname. Simon was not a rock. If folks want to call something Lucifer, it is just a word. The word may describe something as a definition, but once transferred to a common name, it is just a name.

I do not think your contextual analysis and word history really has any consequence of faith and belief. But if you are operating strictly about words then you have merit. In any case I learned a lot and enjoyed.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

molouishomme

I do take into account what you say about Isaiah

re read in the hub were I mention Isaiah.

You say "According to 2 Corinthians 11:14, Satan (the adversary) can transform himself into an angel of light. There's really only two "realities", the truth and corruptions of the truth."

I agree that there is truth and the corruption of truth that's what what this is addressing.

2 Corinthians was written hundreds of years after Isiah, that verse is what caused the confusion of Lucifer the bringer of light with Satan or the devil the so called prince of darkness.

Isaiah way speaking symbolically about how the King of Babylon had fallen from his position of power like a bright shining light (a star a heavenly body) from heaven (the heavens)


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Ericdierker

I'm just presenting this hub in a holistic way, like a tree with many branches.

Whatever you can take away from it that's informing or enlightening, from one who is bringing the light,

then you've seen the light and that's alright!


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searchinsany 4 years ago from UK

Although I don't agree with your Hub, in my opinion it is well written and you present your case clearly.

I would be interested in your thoughts on my Hub on this subject, because it is not what you would generally expect from a Christian of 40 years standing.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

searchinsany

What don't you agree with?

What's the title of your hub...I'll take a look at it


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searchinsany 4 years ago from UK

My Hub is:

Who is the Bright and Morning Star? Jesus or Lucifer!

I have taken a fresh look at 'Lucifer' from a biblical perspective.

Quote... ‘They’ve bought the party line and probably never really questioned the foundations of what they believe or the issues that I’m raising.’

I bought the party line and questioned the foundations; my Hubs are the result of my findings.

My faith is now stronger than ever!


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

searchinsany

It's good your faith is stronger than ever

But as Jesus said

And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. John 8:32

My hub is about truth not faith

but I will check out your hub


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searchinsany 4 years ago from UK

Joh 8:31-36 KJV Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. 33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? 34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. 35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. 36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Jesus explained the meaning of the Scripture you quoted, when read in context He was referring to being free from sin. He said to the Jews who believed on Him ‘the truth shall make you free’, then continued ‘If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed’.

‘Jesus said, I am the way, the truth, and the life’…John 14:6.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

searchinsany

You seem to have a limited view of the scope, breadth and width of the truth

You're like those Jews who told Jesus "were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free"

They thought bondage only meant bondage to a person, and that's what Jesus was talking about the truth setting them free from.

But you can be in bondage to your beliefs, your emotions, your thoughts, your addictions, your habits, your feelings, love, hate, passion, sex, ignorance, etc, etc.

If your beliefs stops you from seeing what's true, you're in bondage to it.

If anything controls your mind, or emotions you're in bondage to it.

Experiencing the truth in relation to belief is like turning on the light in a dark room.

Truth sets you free from what you only believed to be true, but now know to be true.

When you know or experience what true there is no longer any need for belief


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searchinsany 4 years ago from UK

Jon 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

Jon 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

In my opinion, Christ came to die on the cross for our sin and through faith in Him we are free, but I don't think we will agree on this one.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

You're probably right because you seem to be more about opinion, faith and belief

I'm more about knowing , knowledge, and knowing what's true.

Just as the ancient so called , heretic Christians groups, called the Gnostics, were about.

Gnostic means knower or those who know


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Ericdierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

Just so I understand. Knowing to you vveasey is a concept like mathematics? Things like carnal knowledge and "he knows what to do" as in opinion are not knowledge to you? And can someone know how they feel? Is their in truth to knowing in your heart?

No criticism meant here just questions to draw a line I can grasp. (or know;-)


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Ericdierker

sure you can know how you feel

anything you can know including your opinion is knowledge.

Truly paranoid people know that someone is out to get them.

They know what they feel and know that they think that.

The question is,

is what they know true

That's the difference that makes a difference.

You can have knowledge of something that's false, and if what you have knowledge of is really true or not.

I wasn't just talking about knowledge but true knowledge of what's really true.

You say "Is their in truth to knowing in your heart?"

Yes, if what you know validates itself in reality

Do you better understand where I'm coming from , now?


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

ElSeductor

I agree

and that's why I'm not trying to convince them

I'm just an artist painting a picture for them to look at

nice to hear from

a kindred soul


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Ericdierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

It has been said that only enLightened ones can see enlightenment. I believe that was statement to teach us not to self glorify. I am thinking originally it was Shinto or Hindi. It is really a good lesson not to be taken under by those who claim to hold the truth.

Apocalypse and Lucifer are to lift the veil and expose all to light.


Mogheh 4 years ago

Interesting hub. I'm guessing you read soul travellers also. If you didn't, then I recommend you do. :)


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Ericdierker

that's why if have to know what's true yourself

you have know what you know is true and what you don't know is true


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Mogheh

Nope never heard of soul travelers or read soul travelers


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tillsontitan 4 years ago from New York

Hmm, interesting hub, interesting comments. Yes, I'm one of those religious ones who believes what I have been taught and what I feel in my heart.

If you'll let me step into my mind to recall what I have been taught, Lucifer was one of God's chosen angels. Lucifer had wisdom, beauty, ability, perfection, and yet he wanted more...he didn't want to be like God, he wanted to BE God! So Lucifer becomes a fallen angel. (Book of Revelations Chapter 12). Because everyone has been given free will, Lucifer used his to challenge God.

Now, I must say you have not ruffled my feathers nor changed my beliefs AND I think everyone is entitled to their beliefs, right or wrong. It is the goodness in our hearts that leads us...hopefully.

This was a great, thought-provoking hub which I voted up, useful, and interesting.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

tillsontitan

got it.

Thanks again for the vote up

Glad I didn't ruffle your feathers...there's too many feather

floating in the air around here

Do you ever question what you've been taught?


Jim Cancel 4 years ago

To write an article on this topic and to go to such great pains about it seems to reveal a deep fascination concerning lucifer (refuse to capitalize his name). I'm actually scared for you because you are close to a level of blaspheme that endangers your soul and the prospect of eternity with God. Satan is real, he serves God,s purpose for now and will be destroyed in the reign of Christ. WHere will you be?


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

im Cancel

Thanks for your comments

No need to fear for me..fear for yourself

those who fear and believe in Lucifer or Satan

are subject to what they believe in.

I don't fear or believe in either

You're right for the wrong reasons about why I " go to such great pains" about this topic

What I go to great "pains" about is presenting the truth. (though this is not a pain to me I go to: great pains" for all of my hubs)

Cause as Jesus said " And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." (International Standard Version)

I 'm glad that you went through "such great pains" to read this one

Cause If I went through "such great pains" to write it. that means that you went through "such great pains" to read it.


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Lima-6 4 years ago from NY

Maybe Lucifer, was/is depending on what you believe, just another God...?? That is what they are so similar.. and so competitive, like family, its all related.


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Lima-6

Interesting way of looking at it

I would add that the competitiveness is between

the various religious leaders/priests/prophets etc who create or make up this stuff

to control, the minds, resources, money, donations, etc, of those who are in their flock.

This was going in ancient times just as it is today.

Not saying that every single religion or religious leader is like that, but many of them are.


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Rhonda D Johnson 4 years ago from Somewhere over the rainbow

"My hub is about truth not faith." This isn't gold. This is platinum.

I may be wrong but the word Lucifer is exclusive to the King James version. How a Latin word shows up in the Shakespearean English translation of a Hebrew text would probably make an interesting hub all its own.

I agree that the verse in Isaiah has nothing to do with Satan. The verse, based on its context, is part of a song the prophet says the people will taunt the king of Babylon with after they are delivered from bondage.

As with so many Old Testament scriptures, the Christian interpretation is vastly different from the Judaic interpretation. Why does it never occur to Christians that people who speak the language fluently might know more about its proper interpretation than those who were merely taught the text after it was already translated?

I don't know of any god who supports independent thought. In fact, I don't know anyone who turns to a god except to avoid the responsibility of thinking for themselves, either because they've been taught to distrust their own mind or because they want to make their own decisions without being held accountable. "Give it to the Lord." What does that mean? No one has ever heard God's voice audibly, but if their decisions work out they say that was God leading them and if their decisions don't work out they say "Weeeelll."


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Rhonda D Johnson

Hahaha that last part was funny.

They don't care about those who can speak Hebrew or other languages better than them or better than those religious leaders they follow.

Because it's all about belief and they can hang on to that belief and keep themselves insulated from having their beliefs destroyed and their mnds updated by the truth.


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Rhonda D Johnson 4 years ago from Somewhere over the rainbow

Yes Weasey and what makes it so sad is that while they say they believe the Bible, it's not what the Bible says that they believe, but what their pastor said the Bible said. What kind of brain washing makes people look right at something and not see it?


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vveasey 4 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Rhonda D Johnson

The kind that they get starting as kids going to church by others who've been brainwashed

Actually most of the churches are cults.

Freedom of thought, freedom of speech, or questioning the sacred cows of the religion is not tolerated.

If you attempt to do anything but accept the party line you will be verbally and angrily attacked until fall back in line.

They are some of the most intolerant people you could meet.


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Highvoltagewriter 3 years ago from Savannah GA.

Here is my take on all this...https://exemplore.com/misc/Luciferian-Doctrine-The... Tell me what you think!


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SwordofManticorE 3 years ago from Burlington

If an angel of light became a devil, was not Paul in error, when he said Satan is transformed into an angel of light? -- (2 Cor 11:14)


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vveasey 3 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

SwordofManticorE

It would seem Paul may have been in error.

What do you think?

But Satan which literally mean adversary is not Lucifer which literally means light-bearing or light-bearer.

Anyone who opposes you, you could call Satan or your adversary.

The problem seems to be the translation of these terms into English

In their original language you'd call someone your adversary, in English it becomes Satan.

You would call someone the morning star. In English it becomes Lucifer and all of the negative historical connotations come along with it.


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SwordofManticorE 3 years ago from Burlington

No, Paul was not in error, I was just stating that satan was never an angel for that matter.


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celafoe 3 years ago from Planet earth. between the oceans

good article so glad to see others promoting this truth. It is so difficult to get these truths out since the churches of men teach so many lies that help build their kingdoms rather than the KINGDOM OF GOD.

DO you also have truth on the "false rapture"?


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vveasey 3 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

celafoe

thanks for comment

I'm not familiar with the "false rapture"

What is it?


sia 3 years ago

dear , writer

you are wonderful. Lucifer is my god & I always knew he was. Thank you for writing this great article . It was wonderful , I enjoyed reading it. This was so informative. xoxoxoxo


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vveasey 3 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

sia

thanks for commenting. and your compliments. I'm glad u got something of value from it


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celafoe 3 years ago from Planet earth. between the oceans

vveasy-- the rapture story is a lie. We will not leave the earth, the righteous shall inherit the earth. No one leaves until after the judgement.

The unrighteous will be taken from the earth - after the judgement-- as it was in the days of Noah


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vveasey 3 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

celafoe

Where will "the unrighteous will be taken?"


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celafoe 3 years ago from Planet earth. between the oceans

they will be sent to the lake of fire with satan and his demons

Rev 20:14 then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

NKJV


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SwordofManticorE 3 years ago from Burlington

Here we go. The greatist lie that ever existed. Hell! It is about as usless as the rapture lie.


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vveasey 3 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Hmmmm

so where is the "lake of fire?"

Hades is just another name for Hell. So hell is going to be cast into the "lake of fire?"

(Hades: a.the underworld inhabited by departed souls.

b.the god ruling the underworld; Pluto.

2.(in the Revised Version of the New Testament) the abode or state of the dead.

3. ( often lowercase ) hell.

Origin:1590–1600 Dictionary.com)


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entropyartist 3 years ago

Very interesting hub! The cross-referencing of different mythologies, religions and languages was terribly effective.


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vveasey 3 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Thank for reading it and commenting, entropyartist

Have a great day and a better tomorrow


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Disappearinghead 3 years ago from Wales, UK

Interesting hub, thank you.

There's another interesting mixing of religious beliefs in the book of Revelation. John says he sees four creatures surrounding the throne of heaven; one looks like a man, another a lion, another an ox and the last an eagle. The Church teaches that these a real literal special angels that circle the throne singing God's praises. However, looking at an astrological chart we also see four creatures on opposite sides of heaven, Aquarius (man), Leo (lion), Taurus (Ox), and Scorpio which is a dual sign that is often sees as an Eagle in some cultures. When I point out the pagan astrology in the bible, Christians tend to ignore me....I wonder why.


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vveasey 3 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Disappearinghead

thanks for commenting

Yeah I think we know why... fear...brainwashing...ignorance of the history of the bible and Christianity etc, etc

I'm aware of the astrological connection too.

as point out in this hub

"Star-worship continued in Judah until the eighteenth year of Josiah's reign (621 B.C.), when the king took measures to abolish all kinds of idolatry (ib.). But although star-worship was then abolished as a public cult, it was practiced privately by individuals, who worshiped the heavenly bodies, and poured out libations to them on the roofs of their houses (Zeph. i. 5; Jer. viii. 2, xix. 13). This is from the Jewish Encyclopedia


tom 3 years ago

the right brain female brain is were satan inters the garden . this is were emission inters and kaus . the marriage of christ is the left brain law logic seeing with the right brain emission but not beening controled by emission .be angry but do not sin .


tom 3 years ago

the eagle is the female mind big picture thinking the snake male detale right brain eagle female left snake male? the two sides of the brain were present in all very old religions . female is dark male light .


Jessica Hubbard 2 years ago

This is compelling, beautifully written, and quite brave. It resonates with so many thoughts and questions I'd been starting to turn over in my brain recently, and then started to feel strongly about. Tried to explain them to someone (Christian) and he called me a 'Student of Satan' (ha)! And I was like - I dislike the connotation I know YOU associate with this, so that's rude. But it shouldn't be an insult, or a slur. What kind of rose up out of me to him that prompted this comment was 'What if we've got it all wrong about Satan? If there's a devil, I think I've met him. And he taught me a lot. That's why I'm no longer afraid.'

I tend to tread more carefully on this topic for a number of reasons, but man do I love this boldness, not to mention the incredibly well-researched history-based justifications for your views. Here's something I wrote that's largely related. If you'd like to give it a look.

http://jesshubbard2014.wordpress.com/2014/04/18/ev...


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vveasey 2 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Thanks for your comment Jessica.

Yeah people can do really bad things if you mess with their religious beliefs. I had all kinds of accusations toss at me. But I'm not trying to change anyone's belief or tell them what to believe. I don't really care what they belief.

All I'm doing is sharing information and my view of this topic. And it's all right from the Bible that they all believe, but seem to overlook the things that I see and point out to them.

Your article is good and very interesting


STACIE LYNN NOONAN 2 years ago

You should be very careful you are treading on Blasphemous claims and that is UNFORGIVABLE. The one matter you don't get a second chance for.


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vveasey 2 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

What Blasphemous claims?


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SwordofManticorE 2 years ago from Burlington

The best response to her claim is to say that the Pharisees accused Christ of blasphemy as well.


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vveasey 2 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Good Point!

To those who don't want to see or consider the truth...it's always "blasphemous!"


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SwordofManticorE 2 years ago from Burlington

With that said, one man's truth is another man's lie.


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vveasey 2 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

And then there's the truth as in check the bible and see if the verses I quote are in it. Check the derivation of the name Lucifer and see if what

I say is correct.

The name Lucifer didn't originate in English. Check the truth of that statement.

You seem to be using truth like opinion or personal truth.

What's true is true for everyone whether they realize it or not.


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SwordofManticorE 2 years ago from Burlington

I personally don't believe in the Lucifer myth, but as for truth in scripture. The same has been said by the RCC, JWs, SDAs, LDSs and all the thousands of denominations with all their different beliefs.


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vveasey 2 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Obviously neither do I. Therefore my explanation of the myth in this hub.

That's what I'm saying also, is for those who believe what the scriptures say is the "truth" . They can check for themselves and see if I'm putting "blasphemous "words in the scripture's "mouth"


jessejames 2 years ago

seriously a tarot card for a devil pic?


ansarx 2 years ago

Thank you for shining a light on this very very important subject. "When true Light shines, it Illuminates all Imperfections"! If you are offended by this article, that means that the Light has finally hit you! I come in Peace!


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vveasey 2 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Thanks! Ansarx!

Glad you can appreciate it. There are many who can't or won't!


ansarx 2 years ago

Peace vveasey! As a KNOWER, it can get very discouraging sometimes. I know there are many out there right now, who are shining light wherever they are. But sometimes get discouraged, because you are looked at as an outsider or Lunatic! :-) That's why these types of pages let them know "They are not alone"! It is in complete Darkness, that you can truly appreciate the Light"! We shall be victorious in our works! Those who fear, are those who still think that the Knowledge of Good and Evil is still a bad thing! No, It is the beginning of Wisdom! One can never appreciate Love, until they experience Hate! One will never appreciate Health, until they become Ill! Peace!


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vveasey 2 years ago from Detroit,MI Author

Yeah I hear ya ansarx!

I agree!

And the best way to understand or "see "the "light"

is to be the "Light".


Joshua 16 months ago

Lucifer christ is back.

And is typing this.

eden is in hawaii.


Philip 6 months ago

The serpent in the garden of Eden who was Satan/Lucifer was lying when he told that Adam and Eve would certainly not die. Because he has fooled us we now die of old age and cannot live eternally in paradise until Jesus (the new Adam) comes back. This is the death God meant would be the consequence of eating the forbidden fruit. The father of lies is Satan/Lucifer.

And you also got another thing wrong because you used the wrong Bible translation and not the KJV. Jesus is called the morning star, not Satan, he is called son of the morning. Big difference. This is what you get for reading the wrong Bibles and coming to your own conclusions like this. Don't trust so much in yourself, but trust in God (not Lucifer or Satan) and the Bible and you will eventually learn the full truth.


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vveasey 6 months ago from Detroit,MI Author

Jesus: 1200-50; Middle English Late Latin Iēsus : Greek Iēsoûs: Hebrew Word Origin and History for Jesus Expand

late 12c. (Old English used hælend "savior"), from Greek Iesous, which is an attempt to render into Greek the Aramaic proper name Jeshua (Hebrew Yeshua) "Jah is salvation," a common Jewish personal name, the later form of Hebrew Yehoshua (see Joshua ). Dictionary.com

Lucifer: before 1000; Middle English, Old English Latin: morning star, literally, light-bringing, equivalent to lūci- (stem of lūx) light + -fer -fer dictionary.com

Lucifer: "lucifer"

occurs 1 times in 1 verses in the KJV.

Tools specific to Isa 14:12

Unchecked Copy Box Isa 14:12

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! Strong's Concordance


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celafoe 6 months ago from Planet earth. between the oceans

if some of you would learn how to read and study you understand many things that you have been taught are just not what the scriptures say.

so many of you believe the LIE that lucifer is satan, while if you read the entire chapter one of the first things it says that this is speaking to king of Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar

Isa 14:4 4 that you will take up this proverb against the king of Babylon

NKJV

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