Formal Church Education has No Scriptural Basis

Most of the religious masses rely on an ordained minister with an esteemed title with special letters before, or after their name to give them understanding and knowledge on spiritual matters. The perception is that spiritual understanding must be delineated through someone who has a university, college, or seminary degree. In most cases it is an absolute requirement, but contrary to popular belief, the key to understanding the deeper things of God does not come from these people.

From the testament of Scripture through the example of Jesus Christ, the spiritual understanding of God and His ways are not found within the Church education systems, but is a free gift from the Holy Spirit.

At that time Jesus declared, “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have HIDDEN these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to LITTLE CHILDREN – Matthew 11:25

ingrained indoctrination
ingrained indoctrination

It might come as a shock to many that the Church system does not abide in the precedence set forth in Scripture. Every denominational church and their sects prime directive is to indoctrinate, or lock a person into a set theological belief system created by man. Once their minds have been etched to their religious mold, it is very difficult to set them free from it. For many, it is impossible to change their minds, even when there is evidence proving otherwise. They are indoctrinated in the reinterpretations of Scripture that are filled with bias and eisegesis coming from their esteemed clergy.

Formal church education will lock a person into a particular man-made denominational template. The same patterns will be repeated over and over again where their second nature becomes bondage to that particular ideology even when proven to be blatantly false. The indoctrination process is founded on the basis of man’s opinions rather than filtering and proving all things through the Word of God.

Man-made religion is built upon the reliance of educated men who parrot what they have heard from other “esteemed” men. They have failed to investigate for themselves to see whether they were taught truth, nor did they allow the Holy Spirit to teach them in all things.

They received the word with all eagerness, EXAMINING the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so. – Acts 17:11

Formal Church Education versus the Examples Found in Scripture

Moses grew up with the opportunity to partake in Egypt’s most advanced education system of that day. According to God, his formal education did not qualify him to lead Israel, but instead had to be humbled off of his pedestal in the wilderness before he was deemed ready to lead. God humbled him so much that he eventually thought himself unworthy, even asking that He use someone else in his place.

Now the man Moses was VERY MEEK, more than all people who were on the face of the earth. – Numbers 12:3

The emphasis of a formal education within the Church system reveals a different foundation laid out by Jesus Christ and the Apostles. The plain fact is that Jesus Christ used men who were deemed “untrained” and “ignorant” to impact many with the Gospel of the Kingdom. Jesus did not hold any formal training program at a fancy Jewish facility to teach his followers doctrine.

All things are delivered unto me OF MY FATHER – Matthew 11:27

Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were uneducated, common men, they were ASTONISHED. And they recognized that they had been with Jesus. – Acts 4:13

The Jews therefore MARVELED, saying, “How is it that this man has learning, when he has never studied?” – John 7:15

Paul was deemed a highly educated man among the religious elite of his day. He eventually came to the understanding that his ideologies were considered worthless if he was to be a fellow brother among the ekklesia in Jesus Christ.

And I, when I came to you, brothers did not come proclaiming to you the testimony of God with lofty speech or wisdom. For I decided to KNOW NOTHING among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. And I was with you in weakness and in fear and much trembling, and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, so that YOUR FAITH MIGHT NOT REST IN THE WISDOM OF MEN but in the power of God. – 1 Corinthians 2:1-5

There is a vast amount of Scriptural evidence that proves that the Church system has it all backwards. False teachers have duped many into believing that they are the keys to their spiritual understanding. Traditional man-based education is a hindrance to greater spiritual understanding of the ways of God. Teachers have a limited role versus pointing others to meditate on the precepts of God that can be found in the detailed accounts of the successes and failures of the many men and women found in Scripture.

Spiritual understanding does not come from traditional education, but comes from meditating on God’s Word, obedience and listening to the direction of the Holy Spirit. It is only the Lord that can give wisdom, knowledge and understanding. It does not come form formal church education, but by asking God for it. It is is a continual walk of faith looking for the hidden treasures of the Kingdom of God.

For the LORD gives WISDOM; from his mouth come KNOWLEDGE and UNDERSTANDING – Psalm 2:6

Formal Training

Most formally trained religious men do not walk in humility, but believe that they are greater than others because of it. They become conceited in their opinions and will have a hard time conceding that they are in error.

The evidence of Scripture reveals that God uses those who become as humble as a child. They must be converted in their understanding of what greatness is, not according to man’s hierarchical structures, but being part of the ekklesia demonstrating equality between their brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ.

And calling to him a CHILD, he put him in the midst of them and said, “Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like CHILDREN, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Whoever humbles himself like this CHILD is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. – Matthew 18:2-4

How can a man who is not humble help others to be humble?

The hierarchical structure of the modern church system defies the principles of the Kingdom of God by giving formally trained men titles of honour, precedence and distinction over others. These men stand upon their elevated platforms wanting their egos stroked from the accolades of man.

But whoever would be great among you must be your SERVANT, and whoever would be first among you must be your slave, even as the Son of Man came not to be served but to SERVE, and to give his life as a ransom for many.” – Matthew 20:26-28

"he sat down"
"he sat down"

I don’t know if many who read the Scripture notice what Jesus did when he taught his followers?

You might find it quite interesting. He sat down among his brothers and sisters. Yes, he spoke to the multitudes sitting down.

What do the hireling ministers do within their churches?

They stand behind their elevated pulpits over the people drawing all attention and importance to themselves.

Does this display reveal a servant of all who has humbled himself as a child of God?

Of course not! Their seminary training did not even touch on the importance of being humble like children, but instead focused on the perks of being “king of the castle.” They ignore the Kingdom principle of putting everyone else ahead of themselves.

Seeing the crowds, he went up on the mountain, and when HE SAT DOWN, his disciples came to him. – Matthew 5:1

It is quite obvious that the church system patterns itself after the world’s society as it lords itself over others with positions of honour and authority with titles, attire, parking spots, diplomas, plaques, etc. that separates the “highers” from the “lowers.”

Hidden Knowledge

In Jesus’ day it was the Pharisees who were considered the religious elite who were formally trained in the “seminaries” of that time. God ignored these pious religious types and turned to “uneducated” men by given them hidden knowledge of the Kingdom through His Son. The formally educated were blinded to spiritual knowledge and understanding that came from God.

And he answered them, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, BUT TO THEM IT HAS NOT BEEN GIVEN. – Matthew 13:11

Today, it is no different as God blinds the “pastors” as they seek to be highly educated.

Those within the church system overlook how to obtain the mysteries, secrets and principles of the Kingdom of God. They are blinded to the nature of Jesus Christ, as men become center stage instead of Him.

An example of a follower of Jesus Christ is someone with a humble and honest heart with a willingness to obey God just as Jesus did without any formal religious education.

If a group of people have a willingness to follow Jesus Christ, would it not be obvious to follow his example?

The reason people desire to have a "pastor" who has a formal education is that they do not have faith in Jesus Christ. They desire to put their trust in the religious man-driven seminary education system that pumps out salaried pulpiteers rather than making disciples of Jesus Christ.

Spiritual Understanding

Spiritual understanding does not come from the “wisdom” of words learnt in a seminaries patterned after the world, but comes directly from the Holy Spirit. Man’s education is worthless and ineffective because it is in rebellion against the commands of God. God is not glorified as men revel in the idolatry of their fleshly ways.

God has chosen those who walk in humility to do His work. They are deemed “uneducated” and “foolish” to the trained religious elite. God has chosen them to be servants among the ekklesia.

Paul had to renounce his education before he could be of any use for the Kingdom of God. Back then he probably had an equivalent to a PhD according to the world’s standards today. After coming to the revelation of Jesus Christ, he knew all too well that the "wisdom" of formally educated men does not draw from the Holy Spirit.

The religious masses mindlessly accept the teaching of formally educated men instead of adhering to the doctrine of Jesus Christ and the testimony of his followers. The education system of the Kingdom of God does not adhere to man’s philosophy that mixes the holy and profane that is patterned after the world.

The Holy Spirit moves in simplicity and sincerity through the grace of God. That means even a child can understand it. Humility allows God’s strength and power to work giving Him all the glory.

At that time Jesus declared, “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding AND REVEALED THEM TO LITTLE CHILDREN – Matthew 11:25

Seminaries are meant to give the church minister “strengths,” but God says His strength is made perfect in weakness. Those who strive to obtain seminary degrees are people pleasers who want a group of people to hire them. They become servants of the people rather than God.

For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. But God chose what is FOOLISH in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is WEAK in the world to shame the strong - 1 Corinthians 1:26-27

Training in the Gospel comes from learning directly from the Holy Spirit by following Jesus Christ and his commands.

Those who strive after religious higher education will accept the doctrines of men that lead to the countless denominations that focus on a system of belief created from the imaginations of religious men. Seminaries are cemeteries where you will get buried in Babylonian theology never coming to the truth. Many minds have been corrupted as they persue their religious vanities.

The blind Babylonian goats will go to their feedlots every Sunday morning as they consume whatever their elevated salaried seminary trained pulpiteer gives them without question. Once fed, they will make their payment for the "special food” that only their “pastor” can deliver.

The interesting thing about goats is that they will eat just about anything because they have almost no taste buds; therefore, the herd often prizes something that is sugar coated.

How many are willing to reject their religious formal education and follow Jesus Christ?

Will they understand that the credentials of man will not give spiritual understanding to the principles of the Kingdom of God?

Those within the Pharisee system called church are blind to seeing the Kingdom of God. By their actions, they are in allegiance to the ways of Babylon believing that their “higher” education is a means of obtaining God.

And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us UNDERSTANDING, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. – 1 John 5:20

Jesus Christ who is in one spirit with his Father gives a person spiritual understanding so that they too can become one with them. Man’s higher education usurps what only Jesus Christ can do. Seminary trained officials are a false claim to spiritual understanding exposing them as counterfeits.

Spiritual understanding comes from asking God for understanding of the nature of His Kingdom through studying His Word and being obedient to His commands. Spiritual understanding comes from God that leads to truth that will set you free; man’s “wisdom” comes from the religious elite that leads into bondage.

But SEEK FIRST the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you. - Matthew 6:33

Who you decide to follow is the difference of travelling the wide or narrow road.

What road are you travelling on?

The video pretty much sums up the man-driven agenda of seminaries by completely ignoring the Biblical precedent of who gives spiritual understanding, but rather is a denominational advertisement by their religious celebrity frontman.

Do you believe that persuing a formal religious education is the key to understanding the principles of the Kingdom of God?

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Gordon Wright 14 months ago

Too many pastors are overly schooled and lacking in real life wisdom. I maintain that the Bible is about life, and therefore can only be correctly understood in the light of life experience. Someone who gets raised in the church, goes to seminary and then starts a career in the ministry does not have a mainstream life experience.

Perhaps such a person can bring a valuable outside perspective, like Mork or Alf, but only if he has the humility to realize he's effectively from another planet.


graceinus 14 months ago from those of the Ekklesia

PandN- Great article. I have said many times before that studying God's word for yourself is far better than anything you will hear in a church. Seeking the Kingdom of God is something you won't hear coming from the pulpit. Because those preaching from the pulpit in all cases have no clue what their talking about. They have their own agenda and are counting on the support and the blindness of the pew warmers.

I hope there will be many who will walk away from the harlot church system and pick up the the word of God's study it with an open heart and let the Holy Spirit guide them. And truely seek the Kingdom of God.

God bless


firework23 14 months ago from U.S.A.

I agree that an individual should read the entire bible with the Holy Spirit to guide in understanding before attending church due to man's added interpretations. I am curious, though, graceinus as to how you know that "in all cases pastors have no clue what they're talking about". I must say (after having read an entire bible slowly and carefully) that the pastor in the church I have been attending this past month and a half has done well for the most part (possibly lukewarm in areas but not twisting scripture). I, myself, try to make a rule of not using all inclusive words without solid proof to back it up (especially when it relates to character attack). Just my two cents take it as you will.


graceinus 14 months ago from those of the Ekklesia

firework23- First, I never said read the entire bible, I said you should "STUDY" the bible with an open heart. There's a big differance between reading it and STUDYING it.

This is why I say pastor have no idea what their doing I would like to refer to you where Jesus said in Matthew 28:19-20 (NKJV) which stats: 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nathions, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spiri, 20 "teaching" them "all things I have COMMANED" you, and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age. Amen.

So while you were sitting on a pew for the past month and a half did you see your pastor making disciples and teaching them all things that Jesus COMMANDED. Tell did your pastor teach you anything the Jesus commanded.

Do you even know what Jesus COMMANDED them to teach8meaning disciple). Most likely your pastor doesn't either.

Here's a small hint, which I might add was THEE MAIN FOCUS OF JESUS MINISTRY WHICH HE COMMANDED HIS DISCIPLES TO TEACH, which is found in Matthew 6:33. (I suggest you read this verse)

Jesus tell us what we should seek "first" in this verse I just mentioned. But do you think for a moment that PartorS of churches would focus on Jesus teaching of the Kingdom of God. Have you ever heard of pastor explaining any of the eleven parables of Jesus the start out with the words " The Kingdom of Heaven is like", which, a number of these parables are found in Matthew chapter13. Or why Jesus mentions the Kingdon of God (heaven) eight times in the Sermon of the Mount which is in Matthew chapter 5-7. Which the Kingdom IS the MAIN focus of THIS SERMON by Jesus. Does your pastor bother to mention that Jesus COMMANDED is disciple to go out and PREACH the Kingdom message as it is mention in Matthew 10: 5-7. When was the last time you heard the Kingdom of God message from a clergy. Most do not even bring up the subject and the very few who might, often take the Kingdom message out of context. The reason the kingdom message is avoided by most clergy is the harlot church system want their pew warmers to remain blind.

Even King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon mentions God's Kingdom in Heaven in Daniel 4:34-37 and he repented. ( And didn't Jesus state in Matthew 4:17 NKJV " Repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand." )But you'll never hear about that from a pastor or any other church clergy. And maybe you never heard about King Darius the Mede who also mentions God's Kingdom in heaven as it mentioned in Daniel 6.25-27. And these two Kings were both gentiles. Hummmmm.

Have a good day.


firework23 14 months ago from U.S.A.

Clearly you are one set in your ways. Unwilling to budge and correcting with insult because the statement I made about you unjustly judging was correct. You also repeatedly judged my ability to comprehend the word when you no nothing about me. Please be careful with your judgements. Keep them honest and keep emotions out of it. I will pray for you...it is all I can do. God bless you.


graceinus 14 months ago from those of the Ekklesia

firework23- And clearly you can not or will not answer the questions I asked you which may prove my point.

Have a good day.


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PlanksandNails 14 months ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Gordon,

God has given us the standard and structure of His ekklesia in Scripture. The traditions of man have greatly deviated to what has been taught in God’s Word. Many salaried-to-serve professional clergymen (pastors) refuse to believe that they are working in vain.

In the New Testament, the Pharisees and Sadducees were the "pastors" of the people who were trained in teaching of the Scriptures who took prominent positions in the synagogues, but Jesus has some serious warnings against them.

These professional men were trained and ordained to religious status in the "seminaries" of that day before they could “minister” to the people just like the modern “pastor,” but Jesus had some more harsh words to say about them.

BEWARE of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts; Which devour widows' houses, and for a shew make long prayers: the same shall receive greater damnation. – Luke 20:46-47

Where in Scripture are salaried man given authority and control over the ekklesia? Nowhere!

Where in Scripture is a salaried man representative of the ekklesia? Nowhere!

Where in Scripture is a salaried man controlling the activities of the ekklesia? Nowhere!

Where in Scripture do people seek salaried man outside of their own fellowship to become a senior "pastor" over them? Nowhere!

Where in the Bible does it say that salaried men have superior authority over the ekklesia? Nowhere!

The corrupted concept of church has created respecter of persons. Those who sit on their pews and nod their heads passively will never be able to fully think for themselves, or allow the spirit of Christ to teach them because they desire to go their esteemed men and do it their way. They want and desire to rely on the “infallible” opinions of their professional clergy for truth, rather than the teachings of Jesus Christ and the Apostles.

My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of PERSONAL FAVORITISM. – James 2:1

If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor AS YOURSELF,” you are doing well. But if you show PARTIALITY, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. – James 2:8-9

The church system fails on just a few verses (there are many more) but the blind masses cannot see it. The reason is that they have not first sought after the Kingdom of God. The true ekklesia abide in the principles of the Kingdom God, but those in the church system really have no idea what that means because the principles they abide by have not come from the Father, but from their own imaginations.


firework23 14 months ago from U.S.A.

I didn't bother to really read them when I read the insult to my understanding you made "do you even know what Jesus commanded them to teach....most likely your pastor doesn't either" a blatant assumption to my biblical ignorance. I do know what He commanded because I carefully read the entire bible (not bits and pieces). The Old Testament is important too...He is everywhere in it. There are things that those teaching may be inclined to omit, not ALL pastors though. Such as those who will not inherit the kingdom of heaven because many people living now live in these ways. I have heard pastors speak of Jesus' parables about the kingdom of heaven. The place I go actually does go out to the far places and spread the Good News. I am not understanding any point you have made because either it is of your own iinterpretation or I know pastors who do what you say they do not. I you were hurt by a pastor at some point then I am sorry but as a Christian you need to fully forgive and move forward in the Lord. Ho to a church gives me the opportunity to fellowship of which I could not otherwise seeing as most of those I know outside of church are not Christian. The Holy Spirit/God was my sole guide and teacher for the past 5 years. I never would have chosen this path on my own. I believed in God prior to a profound experience I had but had no interest in pursuing beyond that. After learning through His guidance I became lonely for human interaction relating to God so He guided me to a church. I truly hope you get things figured out inside because it is clear to me, based on your comments, that you are hurting. May our Lord place His magnificent peace upon you my sister in Christ.


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PlanksandNails 14 months ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Graceinus,

Many do not understand that the harlot system is church. The reason is that that the man-made system blinds them from seeing the Kingdom of God. They will defend the system tooth and nail because they are emotionally and financially invested in the money grabbing business of church and their salesman who pander their man-made brand of Christianity.

Jesus Christ did not come to market the Gospel with the business models of the world. In fact, He said that he would build his ekklesisa, but men have decided not to listen to his words and build religious buildings called church and give themselves their own names instead.

The reason pastors in the modern harlot church system have no clue of what they are talking about is that they have denied the principles of the Kingdom of God. If you ask any church minion what that means according to Scripture, they will not be able to answer the question?

You can tell what kingdom people are a part of by the name of their king and the principles of the man they follow.


firework23 14 months ago from U.S.A.

OP....yes money is a problem within the church as is the 'better than thou' mentality of some including pastors and how some view pastors. I myself do do view people that way famous is no different than destitute to me. I based my views on their fruit as you should also rather than condemning those who choose a broader fellowship by attending church. Those Jesus mentioned that would cry Lord Lord and that He said He would turn away from due to them working iniquity are not only going to be found within church buildings. Remember the greatest comandments Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength. Love your neighbor as yourself. Do you think the second one only applies to those who believe as you do? If so then refer to the discussion Jesus has about loving ALL people including your enemies. All deserve equal respect because you would want fair respect consistently as well. It also says not to condemn others which is what you do making statements like The reason is that that the man-made system blinds them from seeing the Kingdom of God. They will defend the system tooth and nail because they are emotionally and financially invested in the money grabbing business of church and their salesman who pander their man-made brand of Christianity."

This has an undertone of condemnation. Learn to be more precise with your message.


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PlanksandNails 14 months ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

fireworks23,

Church buildings are a man-made construct. It is on you to show me evidence that the ekklesia are commanded to attend these religious denominational buildings.

http://hub.me/aiS3i

http://hub.me/agJyo

Yes, Jesus said to love all people including your enemies, but I believe you are misunderstanding what the Scriptural definition of love is. Here is a link to an article that clarifies this in more detail.

http://hub.me/agvwC

(("It also says not to condemn others...")

The plain fact is that there are many verses in Scripture including the words of Jesus Christ that have undertones of condemnation for those who partake of the harlot church system. If you would like to bring correction to any one my articles, or comments please quote them and use Scripture verses as the standard in proper context to bring correction.

All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, FOR CORRECTION, and for training in righteousness - 2 Timothy 3:16


graceinus 14 months ago from those of the Ekklesia

firework 23- I have never been harmed by a church or a pastor or by any form of clergy. I do not claim to know to know everything in it's context with regards to the bible. I do, however, know enough to understand or know when pastor's or other's are teaching false doctrine and traditions that are not biblicial. Many year ago I once belong to a "church" and a number of time I confronted the "clergy" of that church on some doctrine being tought that clearly was not in line with God's word. Finally during the middle of a service I attended I walked out and neverreturned. That's the way all church systems are. When you catch them is err and point it out to them they do not want to hear it. That was over 34 years ago that I walked out. I haven't stepped inside a church again and NEVER will. Since then I have reseached many doctrines of denominational churches and discovered far to many false teachings in their doctrines. These megachurches and ministries are so full of garbage they call doctrine that it make me sick.

Just because I do not agree with the harlot church system does not mean I hate the people within them. I truely love each and every person. But don't mistaken my insults as a lack of love towards people. I will tell people exactly what I think because I love them. I truely hope that each and every person will seek the Kingdom of God. But I know it will not happen. I have the same hope for you if you are not doing it already.

The Second great commandment states that we should love are neighbours as we love ourselves. However, Jesus gave a new commandment to his disciple which He states in John 13:34 "NKJV)

" A NEW COMMANDMENT I give you, that you shall love one another as "I" have loved you, that you also love one another."

In this verse Jesus COMMANDS us to love one another as HE loved us. I can say without a doubt that Jesus love for me (and for all of us) is far greater than the love I have for myself. Jesus loved us so much that He died for us. So, instead of loving my neighbour as I love myself. I now have to love others as Jesus loves me. Jesus has by far raised the bar on how we are to love one another. I have to ask myself do I love enough that I would be willing to died for my neighbour or for a follow disciple if there was ever a reason or need to do so. Yet Jesus COMMANDS us to love one another as He did. This is something I continue to work on daily. As we all should. This is the Kingdom of God standard of loving each other, as Christ did.

Do they teach this kind of love in church.

Have a good day with blessings


firework23 14 months ago from U.S.A.

OP Jesus taught in the synagogues so I don't know how you get that building for gathering to God are bad. I would like to make one thing clear. I am NOT against those who choose to worship our Lord outside of buildings. What I am troubled by is the overall assumption that any who go to such buildings are basically damned due to the heresy that runs rampant in ALL of such buildings and that those leading the sheep are all clueless and spouting false doctrine. I disagree. No amount of arguing will alter this view of mine because experience and time with God (personally) has taught me otherwise from your beliefs.

graceinus- I understand what He means by love so please do not assume otherwise. Rebuking is love. It may not be easy to swallow due to our flesh but it is love. Emitions are not the half of love. Justice, fairness, guidance, correction; rebuking, honesty....these encapsulate love. Dying for another...most definitely. Patience, understanding even being consciously aware of words you choose so as not to unecessarily upset. Yes they teach this kind of love within a church with a building. It soulds to me like one bad one for you made all bad in your mind. Sadly, I can relate. I was raised Catholic and the faith never sit right with me when young. My peers in the school did not live the way Jesus taught, we were told to pray to a statue of Mary (very wierd in my eyes even then ) and when you got confirmed in 8th grade you got to ask the bishop a question. Already serioulsy wavering in the faith due to poor treatment and unanswered questions I asked the bishop one I deemed most important to my faith at the time and instead of answering me he pushed me aside and told me to move along. I was in 8th grade then. His response damaged my faith and I went astray for many years because it. I had no interest in religion at all. God pulled me back, God guided me to the church I currently attend. I bring this up so that you might see that I have been where you are. I believed all church was bad, corrupt, false. I welcome your choice of remaining out of the church. All I ask is that you not judge me for choosing to attend one. I am not an evil person...God is very much with me. I feel His spirit burning in my heart (the first time I noticed the feeling I thought there was something wrong with me so I got x-rays with nothing to show lol) I have grown an incredible amount in Christ this past year and thought church would be a great place to demonstrate my walk with Christ...hopefully inspiring some to do the same along the way.

May Yahweh bring you both abundant blessings.


firework23 14 months ago from U.S.A.

I am close enough with God that if He asked me to leave my entire life behind I would. I know this because I tried to kill myself once because I believed God wanted me to. This is when He really began to show Himself to me because He saved my life (I saw His righteous right hand bringing me back). Think as you choose, Yahweh and I know the truth regarding that. My entire days are spent focused on Him. I do not practice anything that I believe to be sinful. For the remaining sins I struggle with over time, through prayer and right focus toward God, He has helped rid me of much. I am a different person now. I cared in the past but not like I do now. His presence has made it so I shed more and more sin and self (self is still a work in progress but I know the improvements). You don't need to go to a building to be renewed but we are told to fellowship.


firework23 14 months ago from U.S.A.

You don't need a building for that either just other Christians to fellowship with. It definitely helps to renew your mind when you have multiple support sources.


graceinus 14 months ago from those of the Ekklesia

firework23- You clearly have no idea or understanding of what I talking about.

But have a good day anyway.


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PlanksandNails 14 months ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

firework23,

(("Jesus taught in the synagogues so I don't know how you get that building for gathering to God are bad."))

I believe you are misunderstanding the word synagogue. Here is a link that may give you more clarity on the terms you are using according to Biblical precedence.

http://hub.me/ajzrj

It is on you to show me where named denominational church buildings that create division in Scripture are commanded of us according to Jesus Christ and the Apostles. Most likely if you go to a church building you are part of a denomination.

What church denomination are you a part of?

Here is a link that may give more clarity on the denominational church system.

http://hub.me/agnHc


firework23 14 months ago from U.S.A.

You have an agenda and a view that refuses to see other ways. I am finished. Arguing is a waste of time. No I am not dodging scripture I just do not wish to play cat and mouse. By the way your pushing is no different than the same energy that caused separation in the first place. The question is does it matter where we gather? I don't think so as long as scripture is rightly followed.


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Rich kelley 14 months ago from The Ekklesia

Aaron,

Thanks for putting together a lengthy posting that covers why Jesus said what He said about hirelings. I see the comments sections have been set on fire by a few comments. Formal training in man's institutions has never been used by God unless they are cleansed. The good news about cemeteries is that God can raise them from the dead and use them. A time in the desert is always required to cleans out what man thinks is correct so God can start with a clean slate. Think of the worldly education Moses must have had being raise with the privilege he had. Yet 40 years in the desert created a humble man that begged God to use someone else.

If all those that seek the position of leadership in the church system via the many cemeteries knew there would never be a penny made while advancing the kingdom of God, all of their doors would close tomorrow. To receive money for what God has given freely brings darkness. To further rationalize the existence of salaried personal brings total darkness. Some just don't get that if you are paid for something you are then obligated and no matter the heart you can't be lead by the spirit of God. The money from other peoples pockets obligates them to do what the payer wants, and the successful payees comply or are replaced.

It is amazing that in the entitlement world we live in with a government that perpetuates and encourages the hand out, you would think that the principle of 'what God has freely give, give freely' would be understood and followed. Go figure.

Rich

Fireworks23

Many of your statements agree with the posting and the rest are just objections to the way things are said. It is easy to be offended by the way people say things because you are still part of what is being discussed as not exactly the way the 'called out of God' functioned then or now. Don't be discourage by the banter that is sure to show up in discussions about what the institutional church is incorrectly seeped in. In time Babylon physically and spiritually is shown for what it truly is. Your journey out of the catholic religion is one of many first steps that we all take daily on a narrow path that is lighted by Him.

Rich


Neil Braithwaite 14 months ago

26 "These things I have written to you concerning those who are trying to deceive you. 27 As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him."

Just look at the context in which John tells fellow Christians that they have the anointing of Christ, and they "have NO NEED for ANYONE to TEACH" them, because Christ's anointing teaches them ALL THINGS.

John explains these truths to his brothers BECAUSE there were those who were "TRYING TO DECEIVE" them!

Imagine that! The Apostle who was probably closest to Jesus was telling other followers of Jesus that DECEPTION takes its opportunity through the teachings of MAN! And that the only way to know the truth in ALL THINGS was to be taught by Christ's spirit.

You certainly don't get many sermons from the hirelings on this passage.


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PlanksandNails 14 months ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Rich,

The corrupt modern church assumes that a pastor must be salaried. The mega church pastors of today live in lavish lifestyles bilking people of their hard earned money.

For we are NOT, like so many, PEDDLERS of God’s word, but as men of sincerity, as commissioned by God, in the sight of God we speak in Christ. – 2 Corinthians 2:17

When we are not dependent on others, we put ourselves in a position to help the less fortunate and share in one another’s burdens. The major qualification for a servant among the ekklesia is a detachment from the love of money, but among the modern pastors of today, their salary is their first consideration.

Paul knew it was better to give than to receive for good reason. The minister is to be a servant and a giver, not a taker. The ministry of the modern church pastor is illegitimate. It's unfortunate that so many of the indoctrinated blindly believe the twisting of Scripture to support religious hirelings.


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PlanksandNails 14 months ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ Author

Neil,

Unfortunately, the teachings of man and their traditions is the foundation for the church system. Anyone who goes to church must concede to this, or be blindly ignorant. Many don't want to hear this, but there is mountain of evidence proving it. The church minion will have a hard time with their cherry-picked verses when their twisting is exposed for what it is. The modern church system is antichrist to the core as man is the builder instead of Jesus Christ.

Thanks for the Biblical reference adding to the evidence of this theme.

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