Forgiveness According to Scripture

True Forgiveness

We hear a lot about forgiving in the scriptures but do we really understand True Forgiveness? What it actually includes, and what else is part of the package. Let's look at scripture and see what it really is and what we must do to please God in this..

Forgiving Others

First The Warning

In scripture there are many warnings, some warn about things we should Not do and other things we Must do. Warnings also usually contain the penalty or reward for doing or not doing these things. The following scripture most Christ followers are familiar with but do you understand it FULLY? Let's read it and break it down so we fully understand it so we can fully properly follow it.


Matt 6:14-15 "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Did you ever stop to think abut the seriousness of this scripture? If you Do NOT forgive others for their trespasses against you then GOD will not/can not forgive You, for your trespasses against Him.

His word says so. BUT note it also means we also WILL BE forgiven if we truly forgive others. God's favor and protection is reserved for those that follow Him and learn and follow HIS ways. Contrary to what some teach, there are conditions that we must meet to be guaranteed God's hand of protection and favor. Those are the ones He can trust to do things for Him, IN HIS WAY. These are the brethren that see healing, deliverance, do not die if poisoned by their enemies or bit by a poisonous critter and others of those things we mistakenly label as miracles on a daily basis. They are God's people, tried and tested and have passed the tests. You must pass the tests to obtain the fullness of the Kingdom of God.

The Testing and Its Purpose

To become a full citizen of the Kingdom of God you must be changed from the carnal (natural) to the spiritual realm in all your ways. See Galations chapter 5

Gal 5:24-26 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

How do we do this? You learn and adopt God's ways and desires instead of your own. When you profess to be a Christ follower then you become responsible to act like Christ and will see the testing begin in your life Some (say that It is up to God to change you when He is ready but scripture says otherwise (don't believe me check the above scripture) “those who ARE Christ's HAVE CRUCIFIED their flesh. Note that THEY did it not God, yes you may have had His help BUT YOU have to do it if you claim to be a Christ follower and wish to find favor with Him.

Now the purpose of the testing. Some (carnal folks) think it is wrong for God to test us, but how can we and He be sure if we will do what He tells us to (in His way) without testing to see? To drive a car on the highway you need to “pass a test” so why should we not be tested before entrusting the keys to the kingdom to us. Peter tells us to rejoice in the trials that our precious faith may be Proven. See the purpose isn't to keep us away but to Prove we can be trusted with and given more of the things of God. And to grow our patience which will be needed as God trusts us with more and more responsibilities of the kingdom. AND that patience is necessary for us to become “Perfect ad Complete, lacking NOTHING.”

1 Peter 1:6-8 In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by various trials, 7 that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ, 8 whom having not seen you love.


James 1:2-5 My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials, 3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience. 4 But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing.

Do you see how important it is to have full and correct understanding of scripture.

Now back to forgiving others. Yes we get tired of forgiving others that seem to take advantage, but, we still have to do it His way if we are going to please Him. He says we must forgive seventy times seven. Does this mean 490 times then? Not really is actually means as many times as necessary, without number. Note this does not mean for the same thing every time. Remember TRUE repentance includes that we stop doing whatever the offense is. By forgiving we set them free to hear God about the next change they might need and we see the growth in that person and help them to learn to walk closer to our Lord. So forgiving others not only assures our own forgiveness but helps the other person as well. In the following scripture we see more of God's way of doing things . In vs 21-34 we see how to handle situations and in vs 35 we see the result of not doing it God's way.

Matt 18:21-35 Then Peter came to Him and said, "Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?" 22 Jesus said to him, "I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven. 23 Therefore the kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24 And when he had begun to settle accounts, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents. 25 But as he was not able to pay, his master commanded that he be sold, with his wife and children and all that he had, and that payment be made. 26 The servant therefore fell down before him, saying, 'Master, have patience with me, and I will pay you all.' 27 Then the master of that servant was moved with compassion, released him, and forgave him the debt.

28 "But that servant went out and found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii; and he laid hands on him and took him by the throat, saying, 'Pay me what you owe!' 29 So his fellow servant fell down at his feet and begged him, saying, 'Have patience with me, and I will pay you all.' 30 And he would not, but went and threw him into prison till he should pay the debt. 31 So when his fellow servants saw what had been done, they were very grieved, and came and told their master all that had been done. 32 Then his master, after he had called him, said to him, 'You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you begged me. 33 Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?' 34 And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him.


35 "So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses."


Important

When forgiving someone the reply is “I forgive you.” “Oh that's ok”, “I know you didn't mean it” or anything else IS NOT a proper answer. If you cannot forgive then the answer would be “No I am not able to forgive you at this time. You must be truthful.

About 40 yrs ago I was teaching a class on forgiveness, as I was preparing my notes God spoke to me and said “go to the blackboard” so I got up and went to the blackboard. Then he said “take a piece of chalk and write on the blackboard”, I asked what and He said “anything”. So I wrote something.

Then He said “ now take the eraser and erase it”, so I did. Then He said”look at it, can you still vaguely see it?” I said yes and He said “that's how you forgive, its gone but still there” The he said “ go get a wet rag ad erase it” and I did. Then He said “ can you see it now?” and I said no and He said”that is how I forgive, its no longer seen, its as if it never happened. That example has been used and treasured by me for over 40 years because it shows what true forgiveness really is.

What about the brother that has sinned against me but not asked for forgiveness?

Matt 18:15-17 "Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that 'by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.' 17 And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.

This scripture is self explanatory. I would add that you should bring with you a brother that is impartial and will be bluntly honest to both parties when applying scripture to the situation.

If he refuses to repent then you must Tell it to the church you must warn all Christians in contact with him/her about him/her. Remember there is only one real church.

WHY? A true story explains. Many years ago I was associated with a group with many teenage girls, 3 were mine. When we started attending their meetings there was a young man who we assumed was an acceptable young Man as no one warned us. The teenager started hanging out with my girls and several of their friends. Then one day he made the mistake of trying to convince my middle daughter to have sex.. She immediately came and told me and I went to the elders and asked why I was not warned (several of the other girls confided to my daughter that they had the same experience with him). Their answer was “we talked to him several times”. I demanded that they immediately expose him “to the church” and they were not willing to do that because his parents would be hurt. I let them know that I would do it the after I talk to him and his parents. I showed them the scripture and they told me not to do it. I told them I am responsible for my girls and to God to follow scripture, not you. I also told them to prepare for some teenage pregnancies in their group. I talked to the boy and his parents, they knew about it and had nothing to say and he was not repentant. I told them and him that he better stay away from my girls and that I would be exposing him. So I went to the parents of each of the newer families and warned them. They thanked me. Many of the “older” families were angry at ME because their elders did not back me. I left there shortly after the first teenage pregnancy was made public. There were at least3 I later heard about. God's word means what it says.

Asking Forgiveness from Others

Now that we understand the importance of why and how to give forgiveness we will look at asking others to forgive us.

You must understand , these principles are not fully taught in most “churches”, so many people just do not know what to do when you ask their forgiveness.

You should say something like this. I was wrong to do/say “whatever” . I have repented and now need to ask your forgiveness. The majority will say things like, “oh its ok” or “ I never gave it a thought” or something similar. Your answer to that should be “ God requires me to make things right when I do wrong, that was wrong, I have repented and now need you to forgive me. “OK” No it is not ok , if you forgive me please say I forgive you.

If they say the can/will not forgive you then now you have an offense against them and must apply Mathew 18:15-18 as above.

Notes:

True forgiveness includes true repentance. Be sure to repent before asking forgiveness.

Also note that it is possible you misunderstood or were wrong. If in the process of solving the problem you find you were at fault you must quickly repent and ask forgiveness.


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PlanksandNails 2 months ago from among the called out of the ekklesia of Christ

Charlie,

Forgiveness is an important message and ties to many things.

You stated,

((Yes we get tired of forgiving others that seem to take advantage, but, we still have to do it His way if we are going to please Him.))

There is so much truth to what you said. We MUST forgive those who are in the spirit of repentance. This verse you gave gives us a powerful picture,

So his fellow servant FELL DOWN AT HIS FEET and BEGGED HIM, saying, 'Have patience with me, and I will pay you all.' – Matthew 18:29

God loves to give forgiveness to anyone who has a repentant heart and even offers to wipe away our debt.

If we are not willing to forgive when someone is truly repentant, the we are no better than the offender.

Our Father in heaven is always ready and eager to forgive, offering forgiveness to everyone through His Son. God wants to set free those who are not in right standing with Him. What many fail to understand about forgiveness is that God is always in a willing position to offer forgiveness, but does not give it unconditionally because He requires something on our part. It would be foolish to offer forgiveness to someone who does not want forgiveness, or is not willing to repent of their sin either towards God, or others.

Forgiveness on our part is about always being in the position to offer forgiveness. The other sides part is to have a humble heart through repentance; otherwise, forgiveness does not work.

Someone can be truly repentant like the fellow servant towards his master, but if the other party is not in a willing position to forgive, there cannot be any reconciliation between the two parties.

 He himself went in front of them AND BOWED TO THE GROUND SEVEN TIMES as he was approaching his brother. BUT ESAU RAN TO MEET HIM, THREW HIS ARMS AROUND HIS NECK, KISSED HIM, AND THEY WEPT. – Genesis 33:3-4

Esau was in the position to forgive and Jacob was in the spirit of repentance. What a great picture of reconciliation.

When we see how God forgives throughout Scripture, the same principle applies to us. We have to be always in a position of being willing to forgive anyone at any time, but we don't just give it unless there is true repentance because that is how God forgives and how we are able to reconcile with Him.

The purpose of repentance is about wanting reconciliation with the desire for something deep and lasting on both sides because that is what ultimately glorifies God. Forgiveness must be patterned after the Gospel message that requires an action on our part.

Do we say that we will never forgive unless so and so repents of their heinous crime against you?

Does God forgive without repentance?

We must always be in a position to offer it, or if we are on the other side come to repentance with a humble heart by wanting to make things right.

Being always in the position to offer forgiveness can be one of the hardest things to do, especially when there is a lot of resentment and unresolved issues, but when their is true repentance, we are commanded to forgive. If someone is unwilling to forgive, we must hand our pain and burden over to our Father and move on trusting in Him for the final outcome.

No matter how many ways we want to spin forgiveness, ultimately what it comes down to is that we cannot be a true witness to the world unless it reflects the same way our Father forgives.

Thanks for taking the time to remind and exhort us on the importance of forgiveness.


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celafoe 2 months ago from Planet earth. between the oceans Author

mm- that is what I felt. I am sorry to hear you had to go through that. You know the institutional church ALWAYS tries to destroy us “religious zealots” as they call us because we threaten their soft cushy non Christian lives and will not submit to their man made false doctrines.

I have been there done that too but not as bad a you went through. I never really was a part of the system, but only because the grace of God had I been prepared for the attacks. But they didn't hurt me all that bad because I saw it coming. They were never allowed to get that close to me. And I agree with you those are easy to forgive and it opens the door for God to deal with them. I have seen more than one “church” closed down because of doing that to me and others that they have wrongly attacked.

The ones that have hurt me deeply were close personal friends and family and that was very difficult for me to forgive.

But Jesus warned it if we truly give it all and follow Him these things will happen to us.

Michael, I believe there is a little root of bitterness that you must kill. Interestingly my son came to me a month ago saying I had a root of bitterness that needed to go I denied it but when we prayed together God showed me it was there and we prayed for me to be able to kill it. I believe I finally did.

It sounds like you are hiding kind of, not wanting to allow people in to your inner sanctum, but you need to mix and share as you, your knowledge and your experiences can help people. You should not put trust in man but give them the benefit if the doubt knowing some will love you and some will end up hurting you and as you said quickly forgive and go on, don't let those things keep you from being used by God

and no matter what, I pray that we both continue and NEVER TURN BACK.

God bless you


Michael Milec 2 months ago

Oh charlie, you are right , I was not " deeply hur" , I was super deeply hurt , humiliated, hated and prosecuted by "religious" "christian " leaders of organized official institution only because of my devoted love for Jesus and His Word. I was thrown out mercilessly in foreign country without relatives and only a handful friends plus the family of God - the people who were send supernaturally to " provide " till the heavenly Father open another door of good physicsl work. HalluYAH.

And do you know what? I have forgiven all instantly. At moment of "separation" - I went throug a nervous breakdown, my family doctor a believer spent some time beside me observing the situation. Hours later I came back free and radiant, strangely different endued by the anointing of the Holy Spirit ... Up to this very moment I didn't turn back from the narrow road.

Believe or not, it's OK with me.


Michael Milec 2 months ago

Oh celafoe, you are right and I am wrong.

( Aparenyly that's how self righteousness works.)

If there would be enuthing I will forgive you.

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Why should I answer your question about me knowing the Holy Spitiy?!

You already know everything about me based on your response. Thank you for your exceptional kindness. You could simply delete my comment and I would continue to live my close walk with revealed Jesus to me as I do past seven decades.


KingdomCome 2 months ago from those of the Ecclesia

This comment is not directed at any one person but should be concidered by all of us.

It should be clear and understood that our forgiveness from God for our trespasses against Him, is dependent on our forgiveness towards those who trespass against us.

This is clearly noted in Mark 11:25-26 (NKJV) which states: 25 "And whenever you stand praying; if you have anything against anyone, forgive him, that your Father in heaven may also forgive you your trespasses. 26 But if you do not forgive, neighter will your Father in heaven forgive your trespasses."

Many sometime think that forgiving those who trespass is a suggestion, recommandation or implied by God. But it is none of those. Forgiveness is a REQUIREMENT of those who are citizen of the Kingdom of Heaven. Jesus Christ stated in John 13:34 (NKJV) 34 "A New Commandment I give to you, that you love one another AS I HAVE LOVED YOU, that you love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another."

How can we love one another as Jesus loved us, if we are unwilling to forgive those who trespass against us?

As a matter of fact, forgiveness is so important that Jesus spoke of forgiving just before He died on the cross which is noted in Luke 23:34 (NKJV) which states:34 Then Jesus said; " Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do."

We must ask ourselves this question.......... What would God have done if Jesus had not asked God to forgive us?

Great article celafoe


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celafoe 2 months ago from Planet earth. between the oceans Author

Eric- fist let me correct you once again- eric words are so important. I am not a good man, scripture says none but Christ is good. I do certainly appreciate that it was said as a complement.

I believe I do what you are asking except when you refuse to consider you may be wrong. I do not believe that I ever attack you, but your beliefs . If you believe I have wrongly attacked your person then tell me so I can make it right. Neither you nor I are are the measure of truth, scripture is. As long as you, like me are seeking ONLY TRUTH we can do that,

There is one so very important scripture that is not welcome in church circles but is one of great importance to me. I take it very seriously and practice it always.

Prov 15:10-14

10 Harsh discipline is for him who forsakes the way,

And he who hates correction will die.

11 Hell and Destruction are before the Lord;

So how much more the hearts of the sons of men.

12 A scoffer does not love one who corrects him,

Nor will he go to the wise.

13 A merry heart makes a cheerful countenance,

But by sorrow of the heart the spirit is broken.

14 The heart of him who has understanding seeks knowledge,

But the mouth of fools feeds on foolishness.

NKJV

so we continue and see what God has in store for us. I will say God has never let me just wash my hands of you, He sees something there that you keep hidden. So we walk on WITH Him and see what hidden truths WE are privileged to see and share.

True love is saying and doing what is needed not what is wanted.


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celafoe 2 months ago from Planet earth. between the oceans Author

mm- I have a hard time understanding what you are actually saying so will answer what I believe you are saying, please let me know if I am not correct

mm is your comment, cl is my reply

mm-"TRUE repentance includes that we stop doing whatever the offense is," -Elementary and true, charlie. What you have said in your article regards a "new person." After a "true repentance", "we" every person born of God (John 1:12.13) stopped doing that of previous/dead person's "offenses."

cl- this is incorrect we are not instantly changed, He does not change us He empowers us to be able to change

mm- By sayiong this leads us to your golden text Matt 6:14.15. the words spoken to the DISCIPLES! (One shall read Luke 11:1.2. to get the idea of seriousnes being part of the kingdom of heaven / God.

cl- are you saying because He spoke it to the 12 it does not apply to us? If so you are incorrect. LK 1 confirms that we still sin.

mm- It is a rule of God here and now in which God the Creator is taking forgiveness very seriously, so seriously that as a rule makes forgiveness condition for bounteous LOVE flow, His love to us and His love through us to whole wide world. "For God so loved the world that he gave..." He paid the debt for ''forgiveness", thus forgiveness becomes our very nature

cl- God gave His son Jesus who paid the debt God did not . Forgiveness is not the nature of man and must be learned/ it seems you believe 2 false doctines 1 Jesus is God—He is not He is the Son of God. 2 Jesus did it all and we have nothing to do. Am I correct?

mm-(Gal 5:24.25. becomes unnecessary once the Christ is revealed to us and He lives in us, the hope of glory.)

cl- absolutely NOT TRUE. We have to walk out OUR salvation with fear and trembling. He enables us to do so. This shows you do believe the false doctrine that He did it all for us. The sugar daddy god of the churches of men.

mm- I would like to believe that this your article would liberate people of unforgiving’s ignorance. From personal experience, forgiveness is the easiest part of coexistence with a fellowman . I just let it go. You are forgiven, or I forgive you is easy to say and not having anything to do with it.

Cl- I do not believe you. That would make you a perfect man and you are not any more perfect than I am and I am not. Your experience does not fit with scripture and scripture is correct not our experiences, apparently you have never been deeply hurt .

mm- Hey, we are "a chosen people a royal priesthood a holy nation, a people belonging to God..." When we live like that the Holy Spirit is strengthening us to forgive freely and easily.

cl- yes we are that but it does not come instantly wrapped in a pretty package, we have to walk it out through the trials and temptations, one of which is LEARNING to forgive as God does.

And you know what ? The people around us are prone to ask "How can you do that?" - my answer is I can't, it is Jesus revealed in me doing that.. May you be blessed and a blessing.

From your writings it appears you have been taught by men in the churches of men. Clearly the Holy Spirit (do you know Him?) did not reveal the false doctrines of men that you believe


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Ericdierker 2 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

Charlie, as we argue. Make no mistake I take you as a very good man. I learn much from you. You are one of those special persons that are anointed by love. This is awesome. And let my words argue with you as Paul argued with Peter. Not a division but further seeking on truth.


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Michael-Milec 2 months ago

"TRUE repentance includes that we stop doing whatever the offense is," -Elementary and true, charlie. What you have said in your article regards a "new person." After a "true repentance", "we" every person born of God (John 1:12.13) stopped doing that of previous/dead person's "offenses." By sayiong this leads us to your golden text Matt 6:14.15. the words spoken to the DISCIPLES! (One shall read Luke 11:1.2. to get the idea of seriousnes being part of the kingdom of heaven / God. It is a rule of God here and now in which God the Creator is taking forgiveness very seriously, so seriously that as a rule makes forgiveness condition for bounteous LOVE flow, His love to us and His love through us to whole wide world. "For God so loved the world that he gave..." He paid the debt for ''forgiveness", thus forgiveness becomes our very nature (Gal 5:24.25. becomes unnecessary once the Christ is revealed to us and He lives in us, the hope of glory.)

I would like to believe that this your article would liberate people of unforgiving’s ignorance. From personal experience, forgiveness is the easiest part of coexistence with a fellowman . I just let it go. You are forgiven, or I forgive you is easy to say and not having anything to do with it. Hey, we are "a chosen people a royal priesthood a holy nation, a people belonging to God..." When we live like that the Holy Spirit is strengthening us to forgive freely and easily.

And you know what ? The people around us are prone to ask "How can you do that?" - my answer is I can't, it is Jesus revealed in me doing that.. May you be blessed and a blessing.


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celafoe 2 months ago from Planet earth. between the oceans Author

eric- the group i have the greatest concern for are those that have been trampled on by the churches of men. there are so many lives disrupted and yes even destroyed by the false teachers and doctines of men that is why I show no compassion for the false ministers, those untouchable ones that know it all but truly understand nothing. those that attack anyone questioning them or their authority. really have no authority, if they understood authority they would understand that we must listen and then if we are wrong repent and change or if we are correct Stand and let them know .

Those that have a desire for truth at any cost, I will go to the ends of the earth for and I give my life serve but no others.

Those that are in deception and refuse to think they could be either have already or will be turned over to satan for the destruction of their flesh that their souls may be saved--IF they listen and turn if not they get the reprobate mind so they cannot know truth. . those I have no concern for, they are solely in God's hands now.

so you know I always check myself to be sure whether or not I am correct when I am challenged, and am willing to be corrected IF WRONG. but only by scripture in context and properly understood as confirmed by the Holy Spirit


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Ericdierker 2 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

Charlie I would put a plank in my eye just to have one bit of compassion you have. Oh sure "bully for me" I help the homeless and here try to make people think and I mean think. My calling is different from yours. I am more oriented to the gentiles of unbelief. You are more oriented toward those that perceive who are already in Christ and just in "error" in their ways. I am more James and you more Peter. We must hold civil tongues and show that there are differences in our life with our savior Jesus. I love your walk but I take a less traveled road.


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celafoe 2 months ago from Planet earth. between the oceans Author

Eric-- of course yes. but there are some things that make this impossible, the number one is rejection of scripture in proper context and two is refusal to believe they could be wrong, but not able to support their belief with scripture.. My whole purpose in life is to help the brethren to correctly understand and TRUST God. I have personally experienced virtually all of the things I teach. I have seen God move in ways that are truly unbelievable. I have shared a few with you but there are many more. like the first time I went to Kenya, I as usual asked God for confirmation that (since much truth I teach goes against the churches of men it is dangerous without God's hand of protection in places where with doctors kill adversaries) I was to be there even though I was sure or would not have gone. The first day a man came to me and shared a dream he had that night it was about him supposed to be at that meeting and then he said "the old white man in my dream that I saw was you".

I only teach what I have seen God prove. I teach things today that I did not teach in the past because I did not have proof from God, but once I do I stand on it. There are still things I do not teach because i cant stake my life on being correct, which I believe we do each time we try to teach others.

Christianity is not a game as it seems to be to some people, esp those that follow man and do not know why they believe what they do. It is a life and death work it affects us today and for ETERNITY. I love and appreciate God and serve him because I love and believe Him with every fabric of my being. and I expect no less from anyone professing to be a Christ follower.


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Ericdierker 2 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

Charlie can you agree that someone who does not completely agree with you could still be under Christ?


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Rich kelley 2 months ago from The Ekklesia

Charlie

Thank you, especially for the real world examples of what one should do and what the disobedient refuse to do.

Rich


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Ericdierker 2 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

Dear Charlie, you are well and of right mind. Your message must be heard. It is good for children of God that they hear your. It is well for all to follow the scripture that you use to justify your position.

And let me make perfectly clear that if any doubts about your "credentials of Love" they are ignorant of your ministry/and caring for others.

Why does God make us love Him and follow Him differently? Oh for sure you insult me and call me lacking in a HS understanding. This is good. This idea that scripture that suggests we should be of one mind is faulty understanding.

"then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and of one mind." Phil 2:2. Is super great. We must be of the same mind in seeking Jesus no matter what but it is not a jackboot fascist call to order has Hitler quoted it often. It means a desire to keep learning for ourselves and a tough order that we do it ourselves not as a Pastor would require if it be you or another.


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celafoe 2 months ago from Planet earth. between the oceans Author

eric- again you show your lack of understanding and desire to follow the Word of God. and you profess to be a minister? definately you are not anointed by God because you will not obey Him. Those that do not obey Him are not of His kingdom even if they profess to be.

in other words you prove you cannot be trusted to teach those seeking truth. You are an enabler for those who also do not want to believe and follow Christ according to scripture. you help them to justify their sin and that is evil.

Here are a few scriptures you need to chew on.

Matt 7:21-23 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but HE WHO DOES the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' 23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice inequity.

Luke 11:23 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters.

John 14:23-24 Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. 24 HE WHO DOES NOT LOVE ME does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me.

NKJV


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Ericdierker 2 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

Good luck with this. It is so way studied that it loses interest of a possible convert.


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celafoe 2 months ago from Planet earth. between the oceans Author

thanks Brother its such an important issue, it must be understood. so many suffer needlessly and get upset with God because their prayers go unanswered, when all they have to do is lay down their hurt and forgive a trespass.


KingdomCome 2 months ago from those of the Ecclesia

celafoe- outstanding article and to the point. Forgiveness is important and is required of us. Thanks for writing and sharing it with us.

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