GIANTS After The Flood!

Giants on the Earth

When were giants on the earth? Genesis 5:32-7:6 state that Noah’s sons (Shem, Ham and Japheth) were born when he was 500 years old; the flood came when he entered the ark at 600 years old. Gen 6:1-4 is the first account of the giants. Those giants are said to be the offspring of the “sons of God” and the “daughters of men”. They were supposedly destroyed in the flood. However, we also see giants on the earth after the flood! Who were THEY and where did they come from? For the sake of those who don't trust any Bible version, but the King James, I will be utilizing the KJV in this study.

sons of Seth or sons of God?

There is a debate in the bible scholar world as to whether these “sons of God”, prior to the flood, were of the “godly line of Seth” (Gen 5) who mated with the “daughters of Cain” (Gen 4), or whether they were “fallen angels” that did this deed.

Let’s first look up the word for “giants” in this account. It is the Hebrew word 5303 nephiyl or nephil (nef-eel’); from 5307; prop., a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant:-giant.

Where we get a little more insight to the root of this word is in the definition of 5307 naphal (naw-fal’); a prim. root; to fall, cast (down, out), fall (away, down) fugitive, be judged, throw down.

For this reason, these giants were called "Nephilim", after their 'fallen fathers'.

Next, we should confirm that angels are called “sons of God” in the first place. Job 38:4-7 confirms they are: “Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the cornerstone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?”

If we look up the cross-references to Gen 6:4, we find 2 Pet 2:4-5 and Jude 6-7:

Gen 6:4 “There were giants [5303] in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”

  • 2 Pet 2:4-5 “For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell [Tartaroo - Strongs Exhaustive Concordance #5020 - From Tartaros (the deepest abyss of Hades); to incarcerate in eternal torment -- cast down to hell], and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly”
  • Jude 6-7 “And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”

Interesting to note 2 Pet 2:4-5 is talking about pre-flood and the latter part of Jude 6-7 refers to post-flood. I wonder if the post-flood 'giants' had anything to do with the corruption of Sodom and Gomorrha? Or, is it sexual sin that adjoins these two passages together?

 

Angels Procreate?

Now, if we look up the word “angels” in these verses, surely we can see that they can be heavenly angels or mankind. The Greek word used is 32 aggelos (ang’-el-os); to bring tidings; a messenger; esp. an “angel”; by impl. a pastor:-angel, messenger. So, I suppose the deduction of those who wish to believe the sons of God were pastors of the godly line of Seth, who sinned by marrying ungodly daughters of Cain, thus producing mighty men of renown, also called “giants”, would have to be questioned, as the practice of doing so never ceased...

Furthermore, my Bible tells me in both the Old and New Testaments that all are condemned because of the fall of Adam and Eve (Isa 64:6/Rom 5:18). We are told not to be unequally yoked in 2 Cor 6:14, yet 1 Cor 7:14 states, “For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.” Did God not create Adam and Eve to be one flesh? Wouldn't the faith of the godly line of Seth have sanctified the lack of faith in their 'ungodly' wives, so that their 'children' (the Nephilim) were 'clean'? Nonsense!!

Now, let's see if we can wrap our minds around the following analysis: The Bible says that Lucifer (heylel ~ star of the morning, son of the dawn) was the king of Babylon (Isaiah 14:4-12). The Bible also says the king of Tyre was the anointed cherub in the Garden of Eden (Ezekiel 28:12-14). These 'angels' existed after the flood. Obviously, not all the fallen angels sinned by procreating with women in the days of Noah. Can angels embody the kings of the earth? The Hebrew word for "angel" is 4397 malak (mal-awk'); ambassador, angel, king, messenger. So, we can reasonably deduct this is true. The kings of Babylon and Tyre were not offspring of the fallen angels; they were fallen angels, cherubim to be exact.

These kings also had children, but they were not known in the Bible as "giants". This is why it would support the idea that, prior to the flood, some of the fallen angels of heaven (not human; the Book of Enoch numbers them at 200) somehow procreated with human women to create 'giants'. Consider the Spirit of God overshadowed Mary, yet He didn't come down in human form to do so. Could the fallen angels have procreated in the same fashion, or does 'leaving their first estate' mean they took on human form? That is a mystery. As Son of God/Son of Man, Jesus was never called a 'giant'. As a flesh and blood human being, no wickedness was found in Him. On the other hand, the fallen angels and their offspring, the giants of the Bible, were wicked adversaries of God and His people.

It's interesting to note that the "fathers" of the 'giants' after the flood are named Arba (meaning city of the four) and Rapha (meaning ghosts of the dead, shades, spirits). They were of great height and stature, yet nowhere are they in the recorded family line of Noah, who is of the godly line of Seth. This may shock you, but the Book of Enoch declares that the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim were not destroyed. They were to be called 'evil spirits' on the earth. Did their spirits simply take on human form to procreate with like kind? The post-flood giants obviously had a line of descendants! As mentioned earlier, some conclude that the great flood was brought about because of the sins of the "sons of God" with “daughters of men”, producing giants that wreaked havoc on the earth. We’ve already identified the pre-flood giants as Nephilim. However, Gen 4:6 states that giants were also on the earth “after that” (after the flood).

GIANTS After the Flood

What is known about the giants after the flood is that they existed in the days of Abraham and Lot. Not much is known prior to this time-frame. Lot was Abraham’s nephew, the son of his brother Haran. Abraham and Lot split up the land in Gen 13:14. After Lot, his wife (who turned back and died) and two daughters were rescued from Sodom, Lot’s daughters each became impregnated by him after they got him drunk. His oldest daughter gave birth to Moab (the Moabites – Gen 19:36-37); his younger daughter gave birth to Ben-Ammi (the Ammonites – Deut 2:20). The Moabites called the giants [7496 Rephaim] Emims” (Deut 2:11) and the Ammonites called them “Zamzummims [another name for Rephaim]” (Deut 2:20) or “Zuzims” (Gen 14:5). Gen 14:5 states,And in the fourteenth year came Chedorlaomer, and the kings that were with him, and smote the Rephaim in Ashteroth Karnaim, and the Zuzims in Ham, and the Emims in Shaveh Kiriathaim,”

Truly, it appears the giants of that day were not Nephilim, but Rephaim. What about the sons of Anak? These were the giants encountered by Joshua and Caleb when scouting out Canaan for entry of the Israelites into the promised land. Let’s look at them more closely:

Num 13:22 “And they ascended by the south, and came unto Hebron [previously known as Kiriath Arba]; where Ahiman, Sheshai, and Talmai, the children of Anak, were. (Now Hebron was built seven years before Zoan in Egypt.)” In my study, the Anakims were sons of Anak who’s father was Arba. All that’s said about Arba is that he was “a great man among the Anakims” (Josh 14:15). Hebron was founded in 1720 BCE. Num 13:33 goes on to state, “And there we saw the giants [nephil], the sons of Anak [6061 - 'neck' Canaanite - this does not mean Anak was a descendant of Canaan, just that he lived in Canaan], which come of the giants [nephil]: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.” While this is recorded as "an evil report" (Num 13:32) the Hebrew word for "evil" is actually a combination of 1681 dibbah, rooted in 1680 dabab and 1679 dobe, indicating it was a sluggish, slanderous, evil report.

It is not known as to whether the Anakims were actually Nephilim or were a "next generation" of them, known as Rephaim. It’s noteworthy that nephil is no longer used after this account. Deut 2:11 answers: “Which also were accounted giants [Rephaim], as the Anakims; but the Moabites called them Emims.” I believe God wiped out the entire earth’s population with the flood and certainly would not permit angels inter-breeding with mankind again. Also, we can’t assume that Noah, because he was of the line of Seth, carried on the 'serpent's seed'. In the last paragraph we saw the giants were inhabiting Canaan. “Cain” and “Canaan” are not related. Canaanites were descendents of Canaan, son of Ham, the son of Noah. With all these things considered, I am inclined to entertain the idea that the Nephilim were pre-flood and the Anakims/Rephaim were post-flood giants.

Rephaim
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Egyptian giants
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The Anakims in Hebron were defeated by Joshua in Josh 11:21-22, yet some of them remained in Gaza, Gath and Ashdod, along the coast of the Mediterranean Sea. Likewise, Caleb drove out Ahiman, Sheshai and Talmai, sons of Anak, from Hebron in Josh 15:14. Yet another confirmation that the Anakims were not Nephilim, but Rephaim is the fact that there was a notable Rephaim living in Gath that had four sons. The most famous of his sons was, of course, Goliath! The Bible says Goliath was just over nine feet tall (or 12', if using Jewish cubit measurements). His brothers were named Ishbibinob, Sath and Lahmi. David killed not only Goliath (1 Sam 17:50), but Ishbibinob and Sath (1 Chr 20:8). In verse 5, Elhanan the son of Jair killed Lahmi. This chapter goes on to describe yet another giant that had six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot (1 Chr 20:6-7; 2 Sam 21:20). David’s brother killed him.

Other areas of residence were Bashan (northeast of Galilee) and the lands surrounding the Valley of Hinnom (east side of Jerusalem). The kingdom of Og (Bashan) was known as the “land of the giants [Rephaim]” (Deut 3:13), while the land around the Valley of Hinnom was known as the “valley of the giants [Rephaim]” (Josh 15:8; 18:16). Og is said to be one of the remnants of these giants whose casket measured 13.5 feet long by 6 feet wide (or 18' x 8' if using Jewish cubit measurements). Moses and the Israelites cast the remnant of these giants out of Bashan in Num 32:33; Deut 3:10-11 and Josh 12:6.

Now, some of you may have heard that Og was an Amorite king (Josh 9:10); therefore, he must have been a descendant of Canaan, Ham's son. Og, just like Anak, was not a descendant of Canaan, but of the Rephaim (Josh. 12:4; 13:12). And, while it's interesting to note that Benjamin, son of Jacob, named his own son Rapha, remember the Rephaim were already around in the days of Abraham and Lot, long before Benjamin was born. All of the descendants of Benjamin were called 'Benjamites'.

There is obviously a big difference in the size of the Rephaim to the alleged size of the Nephilim. According to Enoch 7:2 (included in the Bible canon 200 years BC and 300 years AD ~ and still in Ethiopian Bibles today), they were “3,000 ells”. An ell is equivalent to 45” x 3,000 = 135,000” or 11,250’, roughly 2.13 miles tall. Another verse states they were 300 cubits tall or 450 feet (600' if using Jewish cubit measurements).This seems more reasonable, as it's a little over a quarter mile tall. Some of the ancient Egyptian art replicates the possibility, as well as some of the (possibly fictitious) skeletal photos on the internet.

Mysteries

I hope you’ve at least found this study of giants (pre- and post-flood) interesting and thought-provoking. Nothing is said in the Bible about how the Anakims/Rephaim first came about. Part of the mystery might be in the definition of “Rapha” (the root of Rephaim) noted above. It means “dead, shades, ghosts, departed spirits, spirits of the dead” (7496: Job 26:5; Isa 14:9; 26:14, 19). This would certainly align with what is said in the Book of Enoch about the departed spirits of the Nephilim in my hub The Origin of the Nephilim.

Because the Nephilim and Anakims existed in the days of Noah, and the Rephaim in the days of Lot, I now understand why there are those who wonder if there will be giants on the earth once again in the last days. If Anakims/Rephaim were allowed to take on human form and procreate back then, we have to ask, "Were they totally wiped out?" Joshua 11:21 tells us, "some of them remained!" Is this still a 'race' among us of which we are unaware?

Now THIS is really freaky (the only word I can think of to describe how this makes me feel...)

  • Did you know one of the names of 'Allah' is Al-Kfahid, The Abaser, he who diminishes or decreases: "We have put chains around their necks chin high, and forced them to lift up their heads."
  • Did you know that the definition of Anakim (Hebrew) is: Anaqiy, descendants of the nephil “Anak” or “Anaq”, name literally meaning “choked, collared, strangle, encompassed by a chain, necklace.”

Jesus prophesied that in the last days, it will be as it was in the "days of Noah" (Mat 24:37) and the "days of Lot" (Luke 17:28). We certainly have no Biblical confirmation of what this means, exactly. I believe these passages are referring to the wickedness of mankind and the wrath of God to come (i.e. Noah: the great flood; Lot: the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah). The giants certainly had a lot to do with the destruction of the earth then, and we have to wonder about now and the future...

No doubt the Bible says of the end times that the Dragon (aka Satan) arises out of the "sea" of peoples, nations, tribes and tongues (seven nations, ten kings - Rev 13:1); the Antichrist rises up out of the "abyss" (Rev 11:7), which appears be Abaddon/Apollyon (the angel of destruction) in the flesh; and the False Prophet arises "out of the earth" (Rev 13:11). For more on the three beasts of Revelation I invite you to read my hub Islam and Revelation (yes, more revelation there!).

No matter how rational we are, we have to ask, "Who was the father of Arba, the father of Anak?" It’s a mystery as to how the sons of Anak (Anakims) could be “of the nephilim” when those giants were destroyed in the flood. It’s also a mystery as to why giants are not called Nephilim after the flood. Could the Nephilim be the offspring of fallen angels and the daughters of men? Could the Anakims be the fathers of the Rephaim, who were merely a race of “titan”-type men that were powerful and intimidating? Or, is the Book of Enoch correct ~ that the Anakims/Rephaim are the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim in the flesh? Are there Rephaim still on the earth today? Or, for those of you that believe all “giants” or “mighty men of renown” are the offspring of unequally yoked couples, this would seem a possible answer…except, it contradicts 1 Cor 7:14 and vast inductive study results.

It may be hard to believe in the supernatural, but if you believe Jesus rose from the dead (raised Himself from the dead – John 2:19) and will likewise raise us from the dead to never die again ~ to live with Him in the New Heaven and New Earth…is that not supernatural? Be blessed.

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thefount 6 years ago from North Central Louisiana

Blessings JD! Wonderful and informative hub, very eye-opening and depending on the openness of one's heart it has the potential to greatly increase one's faith in God's Word. Thanks Again!


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

I so appreciate your encouragement, thefount! This study was so fascinating, it kept me going to the wee hours of the night to finish it! God's Word holds so much fascinating information ~ clues to the heavenly realm and its affect on the earthly realm. I do pray it increases the faith of we who are in the Lord, and those seeking. Glory to God in the highest! God bless you!


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no body 6 years ago from Rochester, New York

This was even clearer than the other nephilim hub that you wrote and that was amazing. It sure seems that somehow circumstances of these fellows differs from anything we could list as normal occurances today. It does not seem to me to be possible from a purely scientific viewpoint for a person to be 2.13 miles tall. It would seem that to be that tall one must not really need much oxygen because the air would have to be very thin up there. Also the weather varies dramatically. Cloud cover not allowing any to see their feet or stirring up a thunderstorm that would hit their heads. I have to say that any of this is so unfamiliar to us that maybe any of this logic should not be used. Children to demons, they would have to have different abilities, wouldn't they? Man, this stuff makes my head spin. Whee!! I..whee...love...whee...you! Whee!


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi brother Bob, Well ~ Enoch addressed the height of Nephilim, but not that of Rephaim (for he wasn't around after the flood, obviously). Og (a Rephaim) was over twice my height and as wide as I am tall (at least). We don't really know what the atmosphere was like prior to the flood (at least I haven't researched it). Those are some interesting thoughts.

The book of Enoch states that God said the spirits of the Nephilim that died in the flood would be demons/evil spirits on the earth (obviously disembodied). I think of Legion and how incredibly strong that man was (but there were possibly thousands of demons possessing him, as they then were sent into the herd of 2,000 pigs). Those demons certainly didn't want Jesus sending them to Tartaroo (the deepest abyss of Hades) where their fathers were (Luke 8:31; 2 Pet 2:4)!

I thank you for reading and being such a faithful friend and brother in the Lord! God bless you!


peacenhim 6 years ago

Excellent Hub! You've definitely shed some light on many questions that have surfaced recently regarding Nephilim. The fascination with the Anunnaki seems to be quite controversial as some believe them to be Sumerian gods, some believe them to be Demons, The Fallen, and Babylonian deities. Some say they are a "Hybrid Race" that comes from the planet Nibiru???? Hmmm....A lot to contemplate. I'm just curious if these Giants of Rephaim spoken of in the Old Testament didn't suffer from Acromegaly disease?

http://www.goldbamboo.com/pictures-t1040.html

Much food for thought, quite fascinating indeed! Thanks for the read! Peace.


"Quill" 6 years ago

Hi Judahs Daughter as always...thought provoking and a blessing to read and study...

Blessings and Hugs


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

peacenhim, imagine these giants on the earth and the nations that followed after other gods ~ some thought these were "gods". All throughout ancient history we see people trying to figure out who, what, where, when, why and how these giants came about...all I can do is only believe what the Bible says about them (to stay of sound mind). Blessings to you!


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi brother Quill ~ I so appreciate you coming by for a read. This stuff is surely interesting, if nothing else. Blessings to you!!


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TimeHealsAll 6 years ago from Las Vegas, Nevada

This is a most fasinating hub! I so love the studies you do! I also wonder how things will be/are to come as in the days of Noah. Great hub sis! Keep up the good works in providing us with more wisdom and insight of what was and what is to come. I love it!!! Blessings and love to you!!!


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Thank you, sis! It will be "as it was in the days of Noah" in that the world will be a very wicked place, such as mankind has never seen before, according to Jesus. For the sake of the elect (the saved), those days will be cut short, praise God!! Come, Lord Jesus!! We anticipate reunion with our Holy God!


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thevoice 6 years ago from carthage ill

very unique learning hub I liked reading thanks


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Thank you, thevoice! I found it very interesting as well. It took me a full day of Bible study, then I found confirming articles by those who completed this study before I did! I like to study the Bible first; then I can discern if what is published out there is consistent or in error. I'm glad you came by to read and that you liked the study. God bless you!


SirDent 6 years ago

This is a very thought provoking hub.

Thought number 1: Nephil could be a bully who was judged, fallen, cast, a fugitive, etc. . . It isn't quite set in concrete.

Thought number 2: The fallen angels are reserved in chains. If they were chained and imprisoned they could not have sex with the daughters of men.

Thought number 3: Who exactly were the sons of God who shouted for joy at creation? This one could explain the other two if known for certain.

Thought number 4: To my knowledge, Goliath was never described as a giant in the Bible, (OT). He was called a champion of the Philistines.

It seems I have even more questions than answers.

You have done a great job in presenting this to your readers. Keep writing for the Lord and putting it out there.


Royal Diadem 6 years ago

So who was the father of Arba, the father of Anak? It’s a mystery as to how the sons of Anak could be “of the nephil” when those giants were destroyed in the flood. It’s also a mystery as to why giants are not called Nephilim after the flood. Could the Nephilim be the offspring of fallen angels and the daughters of men? Could the Rephaim merely be a race of “titan”-type men that were powerful and intimidating? Did the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim embody the Rephaim? Are giants still on the earth today? Or, for those of you that believe all “giants” or “mighty men of renown” are the offspring of unequally yoked couples, this would seem a possible answer…except, it contradicts 1 Cor 7:14 and vast inductive study results.

It may be hard to believe in the supernatural, but if you believe Jesus rose from the dead (raised Himself from the dead – John 2:19) and will likewise raise us from the dead to never die again ~ to live with Him in the New Heaven and New Earth…is that not supernatural? Be blessed.

I like how you ended this Hub, it gave me something to think about. I wonder too, how could Anak be of the nephil if they were destroy in the flood, during the tenth generation of Noah. I believe in the supernatural and I believe Jesus rose from the dead and I believe Jesus is coming back again. Great and outstanding Hub !!!


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

SirDent, I'm so glad you came by! Yes, I believe the sons of God that shouted for joy when the earth was created were angels. I also believe the sons of God who sinned against Him by procreating with human women were incarcerated in Tartaroo. The rich man, however (and unbelieving man) go to Hades (the deepest abyss of which is Tartaroo). The rich man was NOT in chains, like the fallen angels who sinned.

Goliath is one of the four sons of the "giant who lived in Gath" (2 Sam 21:16-22/1 Chr 20:4-8).

IF we were to consider Enoch 15:8 “And now, the giants, who are proclaimed from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called”, is it possible those spirits embodied the post-flood Rephaim? This would explain how they could be “of the Nephilim”. Demons certainly embodied people all throughout the New Testament. It is said that Lucifer will embody THE Antichrist to come. There's no information anywhere that I can find as to who the father of Arba, the father of Anak was. The Anakims were obviously "Rephaim", the Hebrew word "Rapha" defined as “dead, shades, ghosts, departed spirits, spirits of the dead”.

We certainly can't find all the answers in the Bible. Some things will remain mysteries, just as Daniel and John were told to "seal up" certain things. Thank you for your kind encouragement, and Lord willing, I will keep writing for Him!! God bless you!


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Sister Royal Diadem, thank you for coming by to read! Bless your heart. I think I've answered your inquiry to the best of the information available to SirDent above. Be blessed in His Name!! Love you!!


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Disappearinghead 6 years ago from Wales, UK

Hi JD,

I don't know if I'm going to repeat what oyjers have said as there aree a number of comments above.

I do not believe for a minute that human/angel hybrids are possible.

1) Angels are spirit beings and therefore do not have genetic material.

2) Jesus said that after the resurection, men will be like the angels in that they will not marry. I interpret this as not proccreating - angels do not have the necessary equipment.

3) Have a look at a hubs by LEWJ and others of his ilk. They write about succubus and incubus, the practice of having sex with angels and demons. I thought this idea was complete hysteria until I read that these guys are serious. But even those that partake in these acts profess that angel/human hybrids are impossible.

4) The entire genome of mankind has been mapped now, and at no time have I ever seen a breaking news story of strange genetic material that doesn't belong or any kind of homo-sapien sub-species.

The angels in Tartaroo may well be there are punishment for incubus and succubus activities, and this still goes on today. But this in itself is no evidence for human/angel offspring.

The father of Anak and Arba will have been Noah ultimately. The entire geneaologies are not given. With people multiplying after the flood it would be wise to assume that the multiplying familly tress could not all have been documented.

Giants still occur today. It is a genetic condition.


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi Disappearinghead, you present some rational points and I appreciate your comment. We do know that the Spirit of God somehow conceived Jesus Christ (that is a mystery as to how); we do know the angels that sinned with the daughters of men "left their first estate" (whatever that means) - it could mean they left their heavenly abode to commit this deed, and it could mean they took on another form (i.e. human males, which angels did all throughout the Bible). The key is the fact this is a mystery we so wish to solve in order to better understand what the Bible says ~ even the book of Enoch (which seems to align perfectly).

While there are "giants" today, I have yet to see one the size of the king of Og (18' tall by 6' wide) ~ have you? A friend of mine gave a rational answer in that she thinks his coffin was that large so he could be buried with some of his things. Interesting thought.

I'm glad I've not experienced, nor wish to invoke/experience an incubus. That's just freaky!! Again, I appreciate your comment. God bless you :-)


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Disappearinghead 6 years ago from Wales, UK

Hi JD,

I'm quite happy with the Holy Spirit conceiving Jesus as God is a creator. Jesus being conceived is a very small thing to do compared to creation.

On another hub on giants, listed are a number of famous giants who have been born in the last 100 years or so, albeit, 8ft tall is typical. OK 1Sam 17:4 in the NIV says Goliath was 9ft tall, but this is not beyond the means of human gigantism.

http://hubpages.com/hub/Giants-of-the-Bible

This is an interesting subject and it arouses a lot of passionate argument, and I don't suppose that much of it will be resolved. When faced with such controversies, I'm always wondering what the traditional Jewish interpretation is, as I do not know Hebrew, and the Jewish community are best placed to understand the nuances, contexts and hidden meanings of the language.


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PlanosLie 6 years ago from Los Angeles

"1) Angels are spirit beings and therefore do not have genetic material."

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As already cited, God is a spirit but through the spirit he incarnated his son Jesus. How did the angels in the OT appear in fleshly bodies that were capable of eating? Your assumption is based on the silent...yes I know that is a two way street. However, who's to say that they can't manipulate genetic material like man can do? Man can't create but he can reduplicate with the DNA that's already there...


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi PlanosLie! Good to see you! You might be REALLY fascinated by my hub called, "Is Everyone Possessed?"

http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Is-Everyon...

This goes into what the Bible says about the spiritual realm and its ties to the physical realm. I'd love to see you there!


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PlanosLie 6 years ago from Los Angeles

"4) The entire genome of mankind has been mapped now, and at no time have I ever seen a breaking news story of strange genetic material that doesn't belong or any kind of homo-sapien sub-species."

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The conclusion here is wrong because:

1. Research the "star child" skull. With DNA analysis, the mother is said to be human and the father is "unknown".

2. There have also been DNA analysis on "bigfoot" hair samples and bloody footprints (in Canada) that have shown this "being" to be one chromosome short of human, but yet more than "animal", therefore "parahuman". This was a documentary shown on the History Channel.

3. The governments don't always share with us on what they find. For one the US government doesn't confirm the reality of UFO's but yet they are no doubt real. They're not ready yet to disclose the truth of them yet.

4. Even "Randcam" a government "thinktank" has had plans for "parahumans", in which many military personal have confirmed their reality of these in the Dulce base, Fort Lewis, as well as other bases. Do the research :-)


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PlanosLie 6 years ago from Los Angeles

I will soon JD but I'm not done with DH yet. I like your writings though...


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PlanosLie 6 years ago from Los Angeles

"I'm always wondering what the traditional Jewish interpretation is, as I do not know Hebrew, and the Jewish community are best placed to understand the nuances, contexts and hidden meanings of the language."

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I'm glad that you'd like to know that. The SOG being angels, is the oldest view in antiquity, from both the Rabbi's POV as well as the ECF's. It was Julius Africanus (4th century) that is attributed to the SOS theory and Augustine is the one that popularized it. The Sons of Seth theory fails on so many points, and disregards both the Hebrew and the Greek. To know the truth of this matter, is to understand the end time delusion. Go well!


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PlanosLie 6 years ago from Los Angeles

JD, may I proceed with a shameless promotion? Sorry :-)

http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Sons-of-Go


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

I read your hub ~ I learned a few things! Quite fascinating!! We share the same passion of looking into root words and finding mysteries we otherwise wouldn't have known from the surface, like 'panning for gold' (God)! I have a series called "Panning for God" which reveal 30 mysteries thus far that I have discovered, not traditionally taught out there in the churches (some actually DO)!! It's a pleasure to have you here on HubPages! I look forward to sharing our discoveries together!


Water Damage Restoration  6 years ago

peacenhim, imagine these giants on the earth and the nations that followed after other gods ~ some thought these were "gods". All throughout ancient history we see people trying to figure out who, what, where, when, why and how these giants came about...all I can do is only believe what the Bible says about them (to stay of sound mind). Blessings to you!


Sound Doc 6 years ago

Jesus insinuated that angels do not have the ability to have sex and procreate, The sons of God then, are same as today's sons of God. It was a curse. Lu 20:35 "But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage;

36 "nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Sound doc, this is why it's important to read the same statement by Jesus in the other gospels as well. Look at Mat 22:30 "For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven." The angels IN HEAVEN. The fallen angels were cast out of heaven to the earth. This is a grave sin some of them committed against mankind and for this, they were cast into the deepest abyss of Sheol/Hades (Tartaroo) and are incarcerated in chains until the day of their judgment to the Lake of Fire (geenna).


Nimbus X 6 years ago

From a sober, scientific point of view, any person

over seven feet tall is in the giant class. According

to the structural plans of the human

race, individuals can tower that high and still

be sound, strong and healthy, but much above

that elevation their height is only weakness and

a burden. However, men have sprouted to beyond

nine feet and probably ten. Science would

not be surprised at a genuine 12-foot skeleton;

some scientists, to be on the safe side, would admit

the possibility of an extreme phenomenon of

13 feet but it would be hard to find one who

would consider 15 feet as within the realms of

reason.

Yes, giants have existed.


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Jachda 5 years ago from Evansville, Indiana

Another amazing and awesome hub!! Someone once told me point blank (obviously he wasn't a Christian) that Christianity and the Bible was "boring". Well, he just doesn't know what he is missing. There is nothing boring about God's Word, and I marvel each and every day at the wonderful nuggets of gold we find there.

God bless you, and please keep up the really awesome work that you are doing.


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi Jachda!! I thank you soooo much for your encouragement. Truly, finding out some of these fascinating things is like panning for gold!! It's so neat you used the phrase 'wonderful nuggets of gold', as I did publish three hubs that are called "Nuggets of Discovery", which summarize what 'nuggets' I've found thus far, such as this and provides my hub links to each one. If you'd like to check them out, here's the first link (the other two 'Nuggets of Discovery' links are within that hub):

http://hubpages.com/hub/Nuggets-of-Discovery-1-10...

It's always a joy, Jachda! Thank you again, and God bless you!!


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RICKY RASPER 5 years ago from ULSTER

Hi JD some useful information here and a really enjoyable read.

Are you familiar with the Formonian legends of Ireland ? Accounts of these giant men are recorded in Strabo,s (BCE64 - AD24) early circumnavigation of the British Isles. There have been many archaeological finds recorded on Ireland and giants graves abound everywhere.In the area in which I am from on the NE Coast of Co.Antrim there was found in 1971 a mass burial on a northerly beach, the skeletal remains of 24 men all over six feet. Centrally placed in the grave was a huge man of over eight feet long! The grave was dated at 4000 BCE.

Keep up the good work.

Regards Richard.


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Thank you, Richard. I wasn't familiar with the legends of Ireland. It may make a great hub! We rarely see anyone even eight feet tall these days. I often wonder if even those might have been 'baby' or 'child' giant skeletons? Even the skeletons shown on internet photos are doubted by viewers ~ of course they would be, because it is just so unfathomable. Be blessed!


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ii3rittles 5 years ago

As Lucifer fell before Adam and Eve, I find reason to believe that the other fallen angels, began Satan's plan of growing his army against God by corrupting Adam and Eve into sin, thus he was then able to let his angels (the fallen angels, or demons) begin to sleep, fornicate, have sex with the humans. There we find Cain and Abel, both being TWIN sons of Eve, but only Abel's father being Adam. Cain's father was a fallen angel which explained his joy in killing his own brother, for by their works we can tell the blood line or seed of Satan.Also the story of Lilith, the woman created before Eve is an interesting one. GREAT HUB!


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi ii3rittles, Thank you for the compliment! Gen 4:1-2 tell us of the birth of Cain and Abel. What we do know is Cain was the first-born, followed by Abel. The Bible states Adam and Eve were their parents. We don’t have any biblical record of sexual interaction of the fallen angels with Adam or Eve, so it is considered speculation.

We see a similarity between Cain and Able with Ishmael and Isaac. Ishmael, Abraham’s first-born, is the father of the Arabs that persecute the seed of Isaac, the Jews, to this day (Gal 4:29). While they both had the same father, they had different mothers. Then, look at Esau and Jacob ~ Jacob, the younger of the twins, received the favor, while Esau was ‘hated’ by God (Rom 9:13). The first-born sons aren't looking too good in these examples.

Obviously, both good and evil have manifested in human beings since the fall. The most ‘out-on-a-limb’ hub I’ve probably written is called “Is Everyone Possessed?” (link at the base of this hub), as it goes into how the spiritual realm affects/connects with the physical. The Bible surely is a fascinating book! Thanks for stopping by and God bless you.


Ben Janse van Rensburg 5 years ago

Hi JD. You have mentioned the book Enoc.In the Revelation of Enoc, chapter 11 verse 55 it states that Satan had sexual intercourse with Eve, which could explain the difference between Cain and Abel. Ismael was different seed than Isaac, because from his mother side he was a descendant of Nimrod ( bad seed )

Esau was hated by God because of his rebellion and because he chose wifes from nations that God forbid.The nature of his descendants speaks for itself.


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi Ben Janse van Rensburg, I know there are many publications out there of 'Enoch' and while there are some wild things in them, I can only give heed to what is confirmed in the Bible. If the fallen angels having sex with women produced giants of great stature (Nephilim), Cain would have had to be a giant, if this were true (in my oppinion/rationalle). Besides, the Bible says Adam and Eve produced Cain (Gen 4:1).

Ishamel was 'different' than Isaac, in that the Bible tells us he was born of Abraham and Hagar, which was not God's direction. God told Abraham Sarah would have the promised son and he disobeyed. For this reason, Ishmael is called the son 'born according to the flesh' and Issac the son 'born according to the Spirit'. Gal 4:29 states, "But as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so it is now also."

Esau was hated because he sold his birthright for a mere meal and yes, because he chose wives from the Hittites, giving birth to the Edomites. (Gen 26:34-35). This is biblical. Still today, the descendants of Ishmael (Islam) persecute the descendants of Jacob (Israel) and they remain under His judgment.

Thanks for sharing. God bless.


Lone Ranger 5 years ago

Hi, J.D.:

Excellent Hub!

By the way, what are ghosts? Do you think they are the same as demons? How do they differ, if at all?


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Judah's Daughter 5 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi Lone Ranger! This question is a bit easier to answer (lol): Considering demons were the departed spirits of the once living, long dead Nephilim, they are ghosts. Ghosts that are seen and active today are demons (morphing into various forms of dead 'loved ones' or yet possessing people), for it is appointed unto MAN (not demi-angels) to die once and after this comes judgment (Heb 9:27). Their fathers (fallen angels) are already judged and incarcerated in Tartaroo until the final judgment to the Lake of Fire. It's no wonder then, that their children don't want to go there just yet...

Thank you for reading and I'm glad you enjoyed the hub!! God bless!!


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sarmack 4 years ago from Washington

Good Morning, Judah's Daughter! I would like to challenge you to write an article on "giants" of our day! We have giants, but they are not necessary tall in height. You have a wonderful background in the topic that can now be applied to current day experiences and how to overcome the giant. God's Blessings!

Looking for the sign of Jonah... the Miraculous Change in people...


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Oh, sister, YOU have the anointing! Praise God! THAT is a challenge, and I have pondered even a few minutes with the LORD and thus far, these are my thoughts:

It was Joshua and Caleb that had the courage to follow the LORD's instructions, to overtake those giants in the land of Canaan. Canaan is modern-day Israel, Palestinian territories, Lebanon, and the western parts of Jordan and Syria. It was the ones who gave into fear that did not enter that promised land. Even David, little David, slayed Goliath "in the Name of the LORD of Hosts!" He sat on that throne of Israel, the throne of the LORD because of it. We who overcome, will reign with Christ who sits on the Throne, amen!

Now, Jonah! Here, we see a man who resented Nineveh, the modern city of Mosul, Iraq. These 'giants' were tyrants and bullies, fearsome. He certainly resented their horrible deeds done to his people. He, most likely, was afraid of them, too. He had nothing to fear! When God took him to Nineveh in the belly of the whale, he finally obeyed and they repented. THAT's the POWER of God! THAT's loving your enemies! Imagine, if that happened TODAY!!

Bottom line is, if the latter-day 'giants' ARE demons in the flesh, demons are SUBJECT to us, the children of God, in the Name of the LORD of Hosts (Luke 10:17)! We have not been given a spirit of fear, but of love, POWER and self-control/good judgment/sound mind (2 Tim 1:7).

There may be pure offspring of the Rephaim existing in the world today, and they CANNOT repent, but they are SUBJECT to us. There are others that are possessed, and THEY can be delivered and filled with the Holy Spirit, just as we are. God knows who are Abraham's offspring and He knows who are the offspring of Satan. We just press on with the gospel, without fear, in perfect love. The VICTORY is ours, the BATTLE is the LORD's, so we will LIFT UP THE BANNER OF PRAISE!

Hallelujah!! God bless you, sister sarmack, and I will continue to ponder whether the LORD would have me write on the subject of 'last-day giants'...


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sarmack 4 years ago from Washington

Wonderful! Enjoyed it as always! God is Good to us, isn't He!


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Ohhhh yes!! Absolutely, sister sarmack. I'm thinking of Israel now, how they don't bow to BULLIES, but BEL WILL BOW!!! Praise GOD!!!


CJ Sledgehammer 4 years ago

A very interesting and thought-provoking Hub, Carrie, thank you.

I think the Book of Genesis said that all manner of flesh died in the Flood of Noah, but perhaps this did not include the Nephilim, because they existed before the flood and after.

Perhaps some of the Nephilim were able to survive the flood because of their supernatural characteristics (part human and part angel)...how else could there have been Nephilim before and after the flood? How would their genes have been passed on to future generations? The only other option is that Ham's wife was impregnated by a Nephilim after the flood.

I would also like to clarify for your readers that the Bible said that the angels in Heaven are not given to marriage, but it is only an assumption and mere speculation that they cannot procreate here on earth.

As Americans have proven time and again, especially these past 40 years, marriage is not necessary for procreative activities to occur.

Best wishes and be well - C.J. Sledgehammer

P.S. You put a lot of good research and thought into this Hub. Voted up and away. :0)


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Thanks for the vote up, CJ Sledgehammer! The Bible states only eight persons were saved from the flood - That would be Noah and his three sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth and their wives. The sons of Ham are listed as Chush, Mizraim, Put and Canaan. We simply don't see 'Arba' as a descendant of any one of Noah's family.

We can assume the fallen angels took on human form to procreate with the daughters of men and were judged to Tartaroo because of it. The spirits of their children (the giants - Nephilim) are called 'Rapha' (ghosts of the dead), whereby we get the giants after the flood known as 'Rephaim'. Could it be, just as their fathers took on human form, without being born of a male and female, the Nephilim spirits did the same thing (both male and female)? These may not have procreated with human beings, which God clearly condemned their fathers for. This would explain how the Rephaim were 'of the Nephilim', but not called 'Nephilim' throughout the post-flood scriptures.

My extended thoughts on the matter of procreation is this: is this why God created mankind - to procreate - since heavenly beings cannot? We are made both flesh and spirit and one day we will shed this mortal, corruptible flesh and exist "as the angels in heaven". God is ever expanding His eternal kingdom this way.

That then makes me wonder if Satan is not expanding his kingdom in the same way...Isa 5:14 tells us, "Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it."

This whole account of giants certainly is cause for provoking thought ~~~ I very much appreciate your insightful comment, contribution and support. Blessings to you, CJ!!


CJ Sledgehammer 4 years ago

Thank you, Carrie.

Genesis 6:4 "The Nephilim were on the earth in those days - and also afterward - when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown."

I tend to think the fallen angels had the ability to shape-shift and their children may also have had that ability. Who knows? Perhaps this is how they survived the flood or the flood only killed those beings that had the "breath of life" in them.

Genesis 6:17 "I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish."

Carrie, what if the Nephilim do not have the "breath of life" in them? What if their "manifestation" in this world was through the powers of darkness. Isn't the "breath of life" something that God and God alone can give? Do you think God formed the Nephilim in their mother's wombs and breathed into them life? Or, could something else have caused it?

It just seems that for everything the Lord has done, the Adversaries (Satans) have a counterfeit.

So, if the physical bodies of the Nephilim died in the flood (which seems to contradict Genesis 6:4), the only other possibility for them to have offspring after the flood, is if they are somehow able to possess the body of a mortal and then mate with humans, thus spreading their evil DNA to future generations.

This is a fascinating study, Carrie, and I do not claim to have any concrete answers, but it is rather exciting to research these possibilities and speculate. This is an amazing world that the Lord has made and I am convinced that there are many more mysteries than answers.

God's blessings to you and yours - C.J. Sledgehammer


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

This subject does not cease to fascinate me, CJ Sledgehammer.

Spirit = now, that may be part of the key. Spirit (ruach/pneuma) is translated as ‘breath, wind, spirit’. Ghost (Greek: phantasma), however, is defined as an apparition. The ghost of a spirit-being is an apparition, while the ‘giving up of the ghost’, as in Jer 15:9 (Hebrew nephesh) of a human being pertains to their soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion.

God is Spirit; His angels are also spirits. Both can ‘morphe’ into human form. God appeared to Abraham in human form, but not as an apparition, and certainly not invisible. However, He was immortal and could not be killed. Likewise, the two angels with Him appeared in immortal, human form (Ref Gen 18-19:1). Jesus existed in the ‘form’ of God, which is the Greek word ‘morphe’ (Phil 2:6), yet He was born of a human woman, so He also existed in the ‘form’ (morphe) of a servant in the likeness (homoióma) of man, a mortal that could shed blood – die.

The fallen angels were spirit that may have then taken on human form (morphe) that could obviously procreate. That’s bizarre. Those angels are not said to have died in the flood, but rather they were sentenced to the deepest abyss of Hades (Tartaroo) – 2 Pet 2:4. It was the human mothers and their demi-human offspring (the Nephilim) that were killed in the flood (2 Pet 2:5), as well as all those influenced by their wickedness. According to the book of Enoch, the spirits of the Nephilim (the offspring) would survive and be called ‘evil spirits on the earth’ or what we call ‘demons’.

The mystery here is HOW did those spirits of the Nephilim (rapha) embody human flesh to procreate flesh that could yet be killed (i.e. Goliath)? And, if their bodies died pre-flood, but their spirits did not, did the spirit of Goliath, as well as all the other giants (Rephaim) continue to dwell on earth after their bodies were killed? This is the sensational question. Evil spirits (demons) certainly possess people (Mark 5:9), and that would be the logical conclusion, I think. This is why we are to ‘test the spirits to see whether they are from God’ (1 John 4:1) ~ this is talking about the breath that comes from human beings “because many false prophets have gone out into the world.…” 1 John 4:2-3 go on to state, “By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.” Humans can either have the Spirit of God in them or the spirit of antichrist (of the Devil)…depending on whom they serve.

This brings me to a thought I’ve wanted to post and should…those who believe in reincarnation ~ that they existed before this life ~ hmmmm. A current-day manifestation of a Rephaim perhaps? Incredible.

Thank you for the blessings and I ask God to breathe His blessings upon and in you as well. We are God's temple. We are God's house!! HalleluYah!


CJ Sledgehammer 4 years ago

Hi, Carrie:

You know, when I read Genesis 6:4 "The Nephilim were on the earth in those days - and also afterward - [when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them]. They were the heroes of old, men of renown", I come away thinking that it is possible that the fallen angels did indeed, come unto the daughters of men, once again, as daughters were produced on the earth by the sons of Noah.

Yes, the fallen angels were at some point thrown into Tartarus, but do we know exactly when that was? Were they the same ones that mated with women prior to the flood? What if another group of fallen angels mated with women after the flood? I mean, do we know for sure?

Again, I cannot be sure of anything at this point, but I am only speculating and having fun with it. :0)

One of the problems I have with the Nephilim being in the form of evil spirits after the flood, is that I have a hard time buying into the theory that Ghost or Ghoul DNA can be transferred through a host to a target. It could happen, but if I were a betting man I would wager that the fallen angels couldn't keep their rockets in their pockets before getting sent to spirit prison and this was the cause of the next generation of post-flood Nephilim.

I would love to hear your opinion on this and I pray that you have had a victorious day in the Lord.

God's blessings to a fine lady - C.J. Sledgehammer


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi CJ ~ those are some interesting thoughts. My understanding is, it was not so much the fallen angels that were causing havoc on the earth, but their offspring, the Nephilim. Therefore, I believe the fathers were judged to Tartarus (Tartaroo) and I don't think other angels would have committed the same sin for the same punishment, but I suppose it's possible.

Also, the first mention of the giants after the flood are said to be 'of the Nephilim', rather than called 'Nephilim' ~ they were then called 'Rephaim', which aligns with 'Rapha', the departed spirits of the dead Nephilim.

I don't think ghost DNA can be transferred either, but rather the bodies in which they dwell transfer the human DNA, while the spirits are passed from one generation to another...one dies, another is possessed and so forth. What are your thoughts?

A victorious and blessed day to you as well, my friend!


CJ Sledgehammer 4 years ago

Good morning, Carrie:

I love the way you think. It is fun presenting you with questions and challenges, because your analytical and inquisitive mind grabs ahold of them and won't let go until you've made sense ot them. It's like poetry in motion. :0)

I think, from where I'm sitting right now, that it is improbable that Nephilim (Ghost) DNA could create more Nephilim or even the Rephaim (which essentially are the grand children of the fallen angels). The Rephaim are a little different than the Nephilim in that they are made from women and Nephilim, whereas the Nephilim are a bi-product of women and fallen angels. Similar, but not the same.

I think the fallen angels impregnated the daughters of man after the flood, before their sentences were imposed. I just don't see how the ghosts of Nephilim could spread their DNA through a human host to make more Nephilim, because we know the Nephilim were on earth before and after the flood. To say that they only existed in spirit form after the flood is mere speculation.

The other problem I have with the Nephilim in their evil spirit form spreading their DNA by using a human host, is that I don't think we see this phenomena at work today. I am sure people are still possessed to this day, but are we to conclude that possessed (women) will give birth to giants?

We also know that evil spirits can possess animals as seen by "Legion" and the herd of swine. So, if the Nephilim could spread their (Ghost) DNA through a human host (creating giants), then why wouldn't they be able to spread their DNA through animals, creating abominations within the animal kingdom? I just don't think we see that anywhere in nature.

Better run for now, but would love to talk to you more about this.

God's blessings to a fine lady - C.J. Sledgehammer


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hey there, CJ! Well, I don't see the Rephaim as grandchildren of the fallen angels, but rather the spirits of the Nephilim themselves (children of the fallen angels and women). This is why they are said to be 'of the Nephilim', but called Rephaim (because they are in a different form).

I'm not sure if Rephaim mated with human women to procreate, or how they took on human 'hosts' to mate with their own kind, producing more Rephaim. They did have human DNA as Nephilim...(another element to think about). The size of the pre-flood Nephilim compared to the post-flood Rephaim is very different (smaller post-flood), so I wonder now if they look like you and me ~ thus, why we are told to 'test the spirits'.

All I know is 'Arba' is not in any genetic line of Noah and his sons. Not to say they couldn't have mated with the daughters of the generations that led up to the time of Abraham and Lot (where they first show up post-flood). A LOT of bad stuff was taking place there in Sodom and Gomorrah...and so it is prophesied to be 'as it was in the days of Lot' in these last days...Freaky.

It's been a fascinating discussion, CJ!! Blessings always!!


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Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

Thank you for this hub. As I have told you before, you are helping me learn a lot, which is what I need.

God Bless you.

Michele


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

I'm so very glad, Michele! I think brothers and sisters in Christ glean from each other and the Holy Spirit sparks more spiritual thought and inspiration, then we research and write unto His glory! I learn so much from you, also! You ARE a blessing to my heart. Thank you, dear sister. May His anointing fill you and flow through you every moment of every day.


Elshabazz 4 years ago

Thank the Lord, my brother this is ELshabazz I realy like the study about the giants. there is another name for the giants they are called the Anunnaki they are gods this may sound far out there the bible have bits of the story the nefilim, and the anunnaki are the same as the giants. have you ever here of the sumerians text it was written befor the bible,it talks about creation an who was the major ball player.


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi brother Elshabazz, this is Judah's Daughter, so I am your sister in the LORD :-) I believe the name 'Anunnaki' is another variation of 'Anakim' taught about in the Bible and in this hub. The origin of them is Anak, whose father is Arba (post-flood) - the one we don't know from where he originated. Yes, these 'giants' were 'men of renown', partially divine and partially human - the offspring of fallen angels and human women that interbred amongst themselves (there were male and female Nephilim before the flood, and subsequently male and female Anakim/Rephaim after the flood). It's no wonder they were the 'gods' of the pagan nations, historically and even yet today. God bless you, brother.


Elshabazz 4 years ago

yes judah Daugther, you are my sister in the Lord, i think Jesue is lord and king of king Anakim is part of the Anunnaki family I have the paper work on them there is moor to the story so dont get political on me stick with spirit an truth.


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Not sure what 'don't get political on me stick with spirit an truth' indicates. I know I was not in agreement that the seven spirits of God are within our bodily makeup (a new age philosophy)...so, if you state something I feel is not bibical I will say so, as I'm called to do as your sister in Christ. I just added a fascinating video at the end of this hub, definitely worth listening to!


Elshabazz 4 years ago

music brigs hormoney thats how i flow i will wa the show i am also called just to let you know, we can walk together side by side or hand to hand just know jesus is the plan.


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Felixedet2000 4 years ago from The Universe

wow, i love this hub. you have done lot of research on Biblical truth and i am impress by your effort. Tell the world that our God is the same yesterday today and forever...Keep it up.


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Thank YOU, Fleixedet2000, for such an ecouraging comment. I'm so glad this hub was worth the read! I will keep on, as the LORD graces me to do, for yes, He is the same yesterday, today and forever. God bless you, my friend!


BaoanGuy 4 years ago

Why do some translations say the giant's were 450 cubits and then others say 3000 cubits high? - Which is correct?


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Judah's Daughter 4 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

I couldn't tell you, BoanGuy - maybe the accounts had different size giants (i.e. some adults, some children)?? Good question!


Papaw Stan 3 years ago

Wow! What research and time you put into this! A Fantastic Job and I might say I agree with you 100%. I've read the Bible many times and in many translations and am currently on another pass through it and got to Deutoronomy 2 and had to stop and do some research.

I happened upon your HUB in doing so. Because of the age old question and debate about, "If the flood destroyed the Nephilum, brought about by the Sons Of God and the Daughters of Men procreating, how do we have Giants Post Flood?"

Well as it says in Gen. 6:4, "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." Key phrase, "and also after that!" People need to start thinking more along the lines of spirtual rather than of so much of this world.

Jesus' Resurrection was a supernatural event. When God cast Satan and 1/3rd of the angels that followed him out of heaven, where did he cast him too? Earth! So where is Satan and his Demons and these evil spirits roaming? They go in and out of heaven today accusing us before God like they did Job. They are not in hell, burning... they are on this earth. They won't go to hell until the day of judgement.

So the Giants in the "also after that" phrase... are the Rephaim, Anakim, Emim, etc. are very explanable.

Great Job! Keep Up the Good Work! I'll be reading!


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Judah's Daughter 3 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi Papaw Stan! THANK YOU SO MUCH for your enthusiastic response to this writing! I'm glad you happened upon my hub in your research! Praise God!

Yes, you said, "People need to start thinking more along the lines of spirtual rather than of so much of this world." That's true! I mean, IF demons are the departed spirits of the Nephilim (pre-flood) and they inhabited the man in the regions of Gerasenes (their name was 'Legion'), consider his behavior and strength! We see some pretty outrageous behavior in the news, don't we? I mean, what about the man that was eating the face off the other man? (Oh, gross!) In my experience with demonic encounters (though they've been very few, thank God), they seem to cause temporary paralysis (inability to move or speak). I think about the victim of that canabalistic man, that he didn't move!?

Regarding post-flood giants, we certainly don't know who fathered 'Arba' (apparently, the first of the post-flood giants) and that's the mystery about how the physical giants (Rephaim, Anakim, Emim, etc.) appeared on the earth. That will remain a mystery. What we do know is that not all of them were indeed wiped out (off the face of the earth), per Joshua 11:21-22.

One thing the days of Noah (pre-flood) - Mat 24:37 - and the days of Lot (post-flood) - Luke 17:28 - had in common is the GIANTS. And so, when Jesus said it will be as it was in the days of Noah and in the days of Lot before He comes, we should be aware, waiting and watching. Nothing in the spirit- or physical-realm should shock us, for He also said there has never been such a time in all the world as there will be in the last days before He comes.

It's so wonderful to hear from you! Press on and be blessed!!


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PapawStan 3 years ago

Your last paragragh just confirmed to me that we share the same belief there as well, or at least what I've read and studied leads me to believe we will see the things of the days of Noah and Lot. I'm reading some of your other hub pages now. Very interesting stuff. I also have read the Book of Enoch and the book of Jasper, the Book of Jubilees and the Lost books of the Bible, doing as you did, not dwelling on the stuff that is somewhat out there, that we may just not be able to understand, but using it to shed more light or detail on what is given us in the Bible. I see no harm in that. After all, Enoch walked with God and God took him, so he didn't experience death, just like Elijah. I'm reading some of your other hub pages now. Keep up the good work and spreading God's message.


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Judah's Daughter 3 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Ah, I call you brother, PapawStan! You have read a lot more than I, venturing out - I have explored, listed to some Youtube videos on some of these lost books. I receive what expounds without contradiction that which is in the Bible with JOY ~ the other things that are a bit out there that I also do not really understand, I leave in the 'mystery' box and do not teach on it. I hope you find some more interesting insights in my other hubs. It's been an adventure learning and growing, and capturing these things along the way in writing. You are a breath of fresh air and I so appreciate you, brother. Thank you.


terricam 3 years ago

it's pretty clear that the nephiliam (sp?) are not dead and are fallen angels who came in human form to deceive humans. they are also the off spring of these angels and the human daughters. and are clearly bound for the sexual crimes they committed not roaming the earth. the fallen angels are demons who are spirits and yes they still roam today. it is clear in the bible that angels and demons still roam the earth and some have the ability to take human form and some have authority or charge over people, cities, states, nations, waters, weather, death and more, even time itself. none of them will have final punishment or reward until the book of revelations comes to past because they are earthbound so they will be judged when the earth is judged. the human blood line these half angel/half humans came from was adam and eve's. cain and seth were not significant at this time. the "godly line of seth" simply meant that jesus would come through seth's bloodline because cain had put a curse on himself. there was nothing wrong with them marrying or having children with cain's daughters, who were not cursed. cain and only cain was cursed not his bloodline and only with a mark on his forehead (gen 4:15 ) not skincolor, african, darkskinned and black people are no more or less cursed than any other skincolor. noah's flood was not for manlike beings (which angels, demons and nepheliem(sp?) are), it was for the wicked men upon the earth. the bible states that the earth was so wicked that god regretted making man in the first place. thus the reason for the flood. the giants were not nephiliam(sp?) simply humans that were evil, all of the giants in the world were not wiped out just the ones that were wicked and evil hearted. they were considered to be mankind or humanlike beings by the jews or hebrews of that time. they however were human in origin. we still have modern giants and we even have perfectly healthy giant families in today's world. any human over 6 ft is considered a giant. there is nothing wrong with a person being a giant or having a large structure. they are not a hybrid of human. height is just a variation like skincolor, hair color, eye color , shape, hair texture, skin texture, etc. the writer is confused because he/she mixes the book of Enoch, the king James version of the bible and the writings of the "holy" Koran together and holds them all in the same light. they are not. they are three clearly distinct books who have different viewpoints on the creation of these beings. they should be dealt with separately. for clarity, you have to stick to one source in this case, either you will go with the christian viewpoint, muslim viewpoint or the books of the apocrypha that are mostly considered to be heresies and false fabrications altogether which is why they were intentionally hidden, not lost.


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Judah's Daughter 3 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi terricam, The Nephilim are not fallen angels. They are the offspring of the fallen angels and daughters of men. Do they come in human form? It appears so, and yes, they are not dead (post-flood, even modern-day Rephaim are 'of' the pre-flood Nephilim). I do not believe fallen angels are demons. Demons are the spirits of the pre-flood, dead-body Nephilim, again, the offspring of the fallen angels and daughters of men. Yes, both fallen angels and demons roam the earth today. I believe they can inhabit humans and as you said, some are in positions of authority.

In the matter of the cause of the flood – I do not agree that it had nothing to do with the fallen angels or Nephalim – all were wicked and frankly, just as Satan influenced Eve in the garden who then influenced her husband, the fallen angels influenced women and their children influenced mankind. The angels who committed this sin have already been judged to their waiting place for the final judgment. The demons are cursed to waterless places on the earth (even having to inhabit/torment humans) – do fallen angels inhabit mankind, too? I wouldn’t know. However, would this not contribute to the wickedness of men?

So you believe only the ‘good giants’ were not destroyed and are allowed to live? What did the days of Noah and Lot have in common again? Noah = Nephilim; Lot = Rephaim. And Jesus said it will be as it was in the days of Noah and Lot when He comes again. The world will be wicked...and giants certainly had something to do with the wickedness of mankind, leading to the flood and the judgment upon Sodom and Gomorrah.

By the way, I don’t know what the Qu’ran states of the giants. Will look that up. I can’t say the Bible has a different viewpoint than Enoch – there’s not much in the Bible about the origin of the post-flood giants and Enoch only confirms the little the Bible says about the Nephilim, yet expounds on the subject. I agree with you – the apocryphal books that should have enlightened us were intentionally hidden, not ‘lost’.

I very much appreciate your comment.


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PapawStan 3 years ago

I'm going to have to agree with Judah's Daughter on this, as it coincides with my own belief as well as my brother's. He & I both had been researching & discussing it for some time, like in years, and then I happened to run upon Judah's Daughter's Hub Pages. It's a fascinating subject.

As for books that are included in the Bible, there are books mentioned in the Bible that are not included and that raises questions for the both of us. In Enoch I found it shed a little more light on the Nephillum. I understand how people can carry things to far and start advocating "Spaceships and Aliens." My sense of reason can draw the line there. The Book of Jasher, the Book of Jubilees, and others I've read and none of them changed my beliefs any, maybe shed a little more light on a subject or two. So, I'll agree that we can just "agree to disagree (tc?)." Her Hubpages shed a lot of light on the Nephillum & Raphaim for us. God Bless.


Billy 'the truth' Steel 3 years ago

Isaiah 14:12 in KJV states: 'How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!' This interesting verse talks about Lucifer, SON of the MORNING. My question is WHO is the MORNING? The answer is found in Revelation 22:16 which says: 'I JESUS have sent mind angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I AM the ROOT and the OFFSPRING of David, AND the bright and MORNING STAR.' Christ is the CREATOR, while Lucifer is a created being. Nowhere do I find in Scripture any evidence of angels reproducing with humans! It's simply not there. I don't doubt that fallen angels can take on human form and then copulate with humans, but this union can NEVER produce offspring. In Job 38:7 the morning stars (angels of God) sang together and all the sons of God (beings from other star systems) shouted for joy at the creative acts of God in the forming of a new system to be occupied by a special being made in the 'image of God.' His Name was Adam, and with his wife Eve produced all those who now live on this planet. The sons of Seth were loyal to God while the daughters of Cain were not. The sons of Seth saw the daughters of Cain and intermarried causing dissension and disloyalty in God's followers. The result: Offspring of immense size and proportions who according to scripture in Gen. 6:5 that ...'God saw the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts OF HIS HEART was only EVIL CONTINUALLY.' And the inspired record goes on to say that '...it repented the LORD that he had made man... and it GRIEVED him at his HEART.' And vs. 7 states the inevitable result that '... the LORD said, I WILL DESTROY man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man , and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.' In my opinion this was the MAJOR reason for the deluge over 4000 years ago that those who were loyal (sons of God) obedient followers of the Creator intermarrying with the DISSloyal (daughters of men) the descendants of Cain. Angels (fallen) are spirits and we (humans) are flesh! How can the two combine and produce descendants? How can a horse reproduce with a cow? How can a pig reproduce with a tapir? An impossibility, yet the THEORY continues that angels intermarrying humans produced falsely so-called Nephilim! Or REphaim?


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Judah's Daughter 3 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi Billy “the truth” Steel, I appreciate your thoughts in your comment. As you know, there are those on both sides of the issue of defining who the ‘sons of God’ were in Gen 6:2. You have already defined that ‘son’ used in Isaiah 14:12 is referring to Lucifer, whom we know was an angel and that Job 38:7 confirms the ‘sons of God’ were ‘morning stars’ (angels of God) – not human beings at the time they were created. Why I say this is that a cherub obviously took on human form as the king of Babylon in Isaiah 14 (Lucifer).

In these scriptures we see the word ‘star’ and ‘son’ are synonymous (the same). Let’s align ‘morning’ with ‘Light’, the Creator Himself. The ‘star/son of the morning/dawn’ would indicate both Lucifer and Jesus (the bright and morning star) were ‘sons’ of the Light (God). Can we therefore claim that both were created by God? We know Jesus IS the Creator (John 1:3; Isa 44:24), yet He as a man of flesh, had a beginning when He was born of the womb of Mary. It is THEN and only THEN He was called the ‘Son of God’. On the other hand, angels who were created, long before man was created, were also called ‘sons of God’. When God manifested Himself in the Old Testament, such as appearing to Moses at the burning bush, He was called the ‘Angel of YHWH’. Angel literally means ‘messenger’ or ‘Word’. In the case of Jesus, John 1:1 & 14, we read, “In the beginning was the Word…and God was the Word. And the Word became flesh…”

How is it the Spirit of God could manifest in the flesh through the womb of Mary without first becoming a physical man to take away her virginity? We do not know this mystery. Did the angels who sinned in the days of Noah (yes, that is in the Bible – 2 Pet 2:4-6, cross-referenced with Jude 1:6 and Gen 6:2) take on human form to copulate with the ‘daughters of men’ or did they do this thing in the same manner the Spirit of God did with Mary? Either way, their offspring were not recorded to be the normal size of mankind, as Jesus was. Jesus was fully man and fully God. I think it worthwhile to note 1 Cor 11:10 (NLT) “For this reason, and because the angels are watching, a woman should wear a covering on her head to show she is under authority.” The KJV reads, “For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.” The Aramaic Bible reads, “Because of this, a woman is obligated to have authority over her head, for the sake of the Angels.”

Back to Lucifer (the king of Babylon - head of gold) and Jesus (the King of kings) – for this reason, I believe Lucifer is the one who will ‘come up from the abyss/pit’ as prophesied in Rev 9:11; 11:7 and 17:8. His NAME is NOT Lucifer (a Latin name assigned by the Catholic hierarchy in the Hebrew text of Isaiah 14:12), but Abaddon/Apollyon (H/G), meaning Destroyer. He is the Antichrist, the king of Babylon, even end-time Babylon. He will mimic Jesus Christ, the True ‘bright and morning Star’, as a man (Isa 14:17).

If you read my first hub “The Origin of the Nephilim”, you will read a little more about how the fallen angels were involved in teaching mankind about all kinds of wickedness, and their offspring (the Nephilim) were wicked in all their deeds, sinning against mankind, birds and animals. As you can see in this hub, “GIANTS After the Flood”, the Rephaim (of the Nephilim) were also wicked in their deeds. The one thing the ‘days of Noah’ (the flood) and the ‘days of Lot’ (Sodom and Gomorrah) had in common were the Giants. And Jesus said it would be as it was in those days, in the last days, when He comes.

Why I do not agree with the ‘sons of Seth’ marrying the ‘daughters of Cain’ theology is because God’s Word is Truth, past, present and future ~ if we look at 1 Cor 7:14 “For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy", if the sons of Seth were men of faith and married the daughters of Cain, the Word says the husband is the head of the wife and his faith sanctifies her, else their children are unclean. This cannot apply to the ‘sons of Seth’ theology because the children were unclean, thus their wives were not sanctified by their faith, as 1 Cor 7:14 declares this to be the Law of God.


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Danast 3 years ago from Wichita, Kansas

I my gosh! So much information! This will take a while for me to digest all of the names, but if the Nephilim were also there after the flood, which the Bible states that they were, then they would have to create the Anakim, because the Bible also refers to the giants after the flood as being "Nephilim". But, the Anikim were of a different kind. After the flood, the fallen angels were locked up in the bottomless pit, so you're right; the Anakim would have to be the offspring of the disembodied spirits of the hybrids or Nephilim. Allah (Al-Kfahid) is just another instrument or demon that Satan uses to finish off what is left of humanity. Such an amazing article! I am going to read into this even more. There is so much information to digest.


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Judah's Daughter 3 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

I wonder if Allah (Baal/Satan) isn't the 'father' or 'god' of the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim that took on human flesh after the flood, perhaps beginning with Arba. And yes, they interbred amongst themselves, creating more and more giants. You said you were reading a great book by Patrick Heron? Maybe he has a genealogy of Arba I have missed in the scriptures. If you find out, let us know here, okay?

Though you and I have discussed this, I did want to share here why I reference Baal as connected with Allah. If we go back to 1 Kings 18:28 and observe the strange behavior of the prophets of Baal, we can see Muslims practice this same behavior today at Ashura. "And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them."

Thanks for reading and for your outstanding commentary, Dana! God bless you!!


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Danast 3 years ago from Wichita, Kansas

Oh yes, they absolutely practice the exact same behavior! I remember you referencing that before. And, yes, you may be correct. Maybe he IS the father of the second round of Nephilim. But, we know who the TRUE God is!! His Name is Yahweh, and His Son's Name is Yehshua Ha'Mashiach!! It's so funny to me that someone would think that the Holy Word is fake and that the Quran is the real word. It's like someone that copy's excerpts from a factual paper written many years ago, but they include fictional writings in the imitation as well. It's usually not the original that's the imitation; it's the copy that is indeed the imitation, and it is usually twisted, because something that is deceptive usually is. It's common sense, but we all know that common sense isn't so common anymore. I voted up and awesome!

God Bless You!!


maybe 2 years ago

Maybe noahs sun married a woman that had fallen angel blood in her and it did not show up for a few generations?


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Judah's Daughter 2 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi 'maybe' - we are not told in scripture that there was any mingling of angels with humans after the flood, so this is unanswered in that sense. At this time of year (Saturnalia, renamed Christmas by the Roman Catholic Church) I do think of Noah's great-great grandson, Nimrod (son of Cush). It was he who married a barren woman and was later killed. His wife, Semiramis, deified him as the Sun god and had his body parts shipped all over the surrounding regions (except for his reproductive organ, which supposedly was never found). The pagan story states that Nimrod, as the Sun god, impregnated his wife (by his rays), so he was 'reincarnated' as Tammuz, born on Dec 25th. Tammuz had sexual relations with his mother (he was Nimrod, after all). Tammuz lived for 40 years, when he was killed by a wild pig. He then, allegedly "rose from the dead".

Thus, look at what's happened since the Roman Catholic Church masked these pagan beliefs and practices by simply changing the names - Nimrod is 'God'. Semiramis is 'Mary', given the title of Semiramis as "the Queen of Heaven". Tammuz is 'Jesus', born on Dec 25th. Just as people mourned 40 days (one day for each year of his life) for Tammuz before celebrating his 'resurrection', it's now called 'Lent' (Eze 8:14). Since Tammuz was killed by a pig, it was customary to eat 'ham' to celebrate Tammuz' resurrection; so Catholics made sure we eat ham to celebrate 'Easter' (Ishtar, just another name for Semiramis) as the resurrection of 'Jesus'.

Just as Nimrod's body parts were scattered in the surrounding regions, St. Nicholas' bones were divided and placed in different regions. He is the modern-day Santa, after all.

Just as pine trees were used to represent Nimrod's reproductive organ (phallic symbols), believed to actually possess the spirit of Nimrod, they cut trees down, brought them in their homes and decorated them with silver and gold (Jer 10:2-4), now these trees are known as 'Christmas trees'. Just as eggs and rabbits (fertility symbols) were used to celebrate the resurrection of Tammuz (Nimrod), so Christian churches yet have "Easter" egg hunts with bunnies on church grounds every year.

I could go on and on, but I would say Nimrod was deified as a type of 'giant' and what a GIANT of a LIE has since been sold to the Harlot Daughter churches of the Roman Catholic Whore of Babylon.


Joshua 23 months ago

One common question is who were the "sons of God" who married women and produced these giants? Some believe they were demons, fallen angels who took the form of human flesh so that they could produce giants. This theory does not make any sense, since there is no place in the Bible where God calls demons his "sons."

There is another problem with the idea that angels (either righteous or fallen) and women were able to produce a race of giants called Nephilim. The Bible says the sons of God took WIVES for themselves, meaning they were MARRIED, and together they produced giant children (read Genesis 6:2 again). It does NOT say these women were raped or otherwise violated sexually before marriage and had children out of wedlock.

Marriage is an institution God began in Eden (Genesis 2:24 - 25) that receives its authority and binding nature DIRECTLY from him in heaven (see Matthew 19:1 - 6). There is not even a HINT in scripture that God ever spoke about, conducted, or approved of angelic beings somehow 'marrying' humans. Those who argue that these 'sons' were angels have yet to produce proof that God has expanded his will regarding marriage, and the producing of potential spiritual sons and daughters, to angels.


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Judah's Daughter 23 months ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi Joshua, you might benefit by reading "The Origin of the Nephilim", the link is provided currently as the third link under 'Related Hubs' (the Giants before the flood). Fallen angels are not demons (covered in my hub "Is Lucifer the Devil?". The Book of Enoch tells us that demons are the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim, whose bodies were destroyed in the flood. You are correct, in that God never calls demons "sons". However, He does call angels "sons".

Speaking of "wives", is there such a thing as homosexual marriage in the U.S. today? Does a homosexual calling his or her spouse a "wife" make it a godly union? Case in point. Did Israel marry pagan wives and choose to divorce them out of repentance in Ezra 10? Yes. Not all marriages are "what God has joined together".

The behavior of the fallen angels with "the daughters of men" was forbidden and the Bible tells us they were punished and how they were punished. People break God's Laws every day and if they are children of God, they are disciplined. If they are "sons of the devil" they may appear to get away with it, but the consequences face them in this life, but not as severely as in the next. Appreciate the comment.


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Shades-of-truth 21 months ago from USA

Very interesting reading, and I was delighted to see some photos from books I have owned for years. This has always been a subject that fascinates me, and I have done a lot of research on it.

How much is "kept" from us, and how much we still do not understand...it is amazing.


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Judah's Daughter 21 months ago from Roseville, CA Author

Do share the name of those books, Shades-of-truth, for I would very much like to read them! I, too, found this study fascinating! Right there in the Bible and yet, it's not something often touched upon in Christian teachings even today. I so appreciate you coming by to read and your wonderful comment. God bless you!


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Oscarlites 17 months ago from Alabama

HI, Judahs daughter. this surely is a lot to read, and surely a different audience, but I know that those who search out the scripture, and meditate on it day and night as Psalms 1, are hungry to learn more.. I certainly must go try and read the bok of enoch.. I do have those books .

thank you! moj


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Judah's Daughter 17 months ago from Roseville, CA Author

Greetings, Oscarlites! I'm glad I listened to the Book of Enoch (it's on youtube) and have it in my library. It certainly is a fascinating book! Let me know your thoughts. Always a blessing to hear from you! God bless!


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Oscarlites 17 months ago from Alabama

hey I don't have too many thoughts about giants! I know that I learned early in life of DNA and carbon testing, which now DNA rules, but in my esteem carbon 14 dating can be greatly misinterpreted. for instance, what they say took millions of year of pressure and time, I believe happened through cataclysmic pressure, of proportions mentioned by the flood. for this much water to move around, and I believe it did, with the earth opening up its depths, all of the qualities, and tests of carbon dating could have occurred at once., or in just one time period, but held up against supposed modern models of dating process, and how scientists BELIEVE this process to work, the results come out different. etc. Much we Don't know about the earth, eternity, the spirit world, and the universe as a whole, but soon we may all get a chance to see it firsthand.. I know as a former Alaska pilot I saw formations, and weather systems and clouds that were truly amazing. the Valley of ten thousand smokes, and the hand of an invisible artist at work upon the rocks and rivers,and skies, all make you know their is someone great behind it all! If Giants are alive still, then maybe they are Bigfoot.. not saying that to be funny. I read a story and maybe still have the book, about a actual bear/ human encounter in Russia in early 1900's where the bear brought food to a human repeatedly for maybe up to a month, in an emergency situation. NOW I COULD be skeptical, but when I see the amazing things that others have shown me and some I have witnessed, I am a believer.


John 14 months ago

I disagree with you. God said everything produces after its own kind. Angels can be seen by men and take on the appearance of a human, but to say that they have male reproctive organs is too read into the text. Angels are not humans and as such cannot reproduce. When talks about Angels leaving their abode, it means their place in heaven. Heaven is no longer their home. Angels can't di something they were created to do, that's multiply. There are women and men who can't multiply, much less angels. God destroyed all life in the flood and yet we see nations of large, and powerful warriors. This is after the flood. God was also angry with man. He says in scripture that regretted creating man. Well I'd God created man and he is the creator of everything, how then could a hybrid human race exist outside of God's creation? The answer is they didn't. You can't create a hybrid anything: zebra and horse are the same kind, tiger and lion are the same kind. You will never see a bird and dog hybrid. You will never see a fish and a sea horse hybrid. Everything produces after its own kind. That's what the bible says.


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Judah's Daughter 14 months ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi John, Of course you can disagree; however, is it true that the Spirit of God impregnated Mary to give birth to Jesus? This shows that Jesus was not conceived in the same manner every other thing on the face of the planet was/is. Even Adam and Eve were not born of fathers and mothers. Adam came from the earth and Eve out of Adam. Husbands certainly don't give birth to their wives.

The violation here is that divine (spiritual) beings somehow caused the daughters of men to give birth to "hybrids". We have to agree that Jesus was a "hybrid", was He not? He was both God and man. Let's look at the term "son(s) of God": Adam was created by God, thus called "son of God" (Luke 3:38). The angels were created by God, thus called "sons of God". Jesus, born of a woman, thus created at that moment in time, was called "Son of God". When we, fallen because of Adam, are born again of the Spirit, we are called "sons of God" (restored to the status of the first Adam, prior to the fall). However, the offspring of the fallen angels (aka "sons of God") through the daughters of MEN, were not called "sons of God", but "giants" or "Nephilim".

Yes, there are rules when it comes to the reproduction of everything earthly, or even in our atmosphere (after its own kind). Angels are not earthly and are said not to procreate in heaven (with each other) and that when we are raised, we shall be as they are. We won't be human any longer. So, could it be, the fallen angels needed the agency of human women to accomplish procreation? God used a human woman, did He not?

Just something to ponder.

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