Is Jesus the "Eternal Son"?

The Mystery of GOD

Do you believe Jesus is God? Do you believe Jesus is the Son of God? Is He one or the other, or is He both? Trinitarians will say Jesus is God. They will say Jesus is also the Son of God. So, they believe Jesus is both God and the Son of God. If God is the Father, then how can Jesus be both the Father and the Son? In addition to THAT question, Trinitarians believe the Holy Spirit is also God. Do we have three gods in unity? That’s what ‘Trinity’ means.

Most of you may already know this, but some of you may not: The term 'Trinity' was first coined by a newly converted Catholic priest named Tertullian in the year 200 A.D. The Roman Catholic church has openly admitted to changing the words of our LORD, Jesus Christ in Mat 28:19 and inserted the wording of what is known as The Johannine Comma in 1 John 5:7. These are two pillars of Trinitarian theology we can crumble to the ground. Do you think they stopped there?

But there IS only one God,” they say. Too confusing? Their answer is, “This is a mystery we aren’t supposed to understand.” Do you THINK it’s kind of important to know Who God is? Are we NOT supposed to understand? Jesus said to His disciples in Mat 13:11, “’To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been granted.’” Well, the Apostles certainly knew who Jesus was, especially after His resurrection and ascension – He plainly told them who He was in John 14.

  • In verse 22, “Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, ‘Lord, what then has happened that You are going to disclose Yourself to us and not to the world?"

This is in response to what Jesus said earlier in the chapter:

  • He said in vs. 7, “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him."
  • And in vs. 9, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father '?

“We do believe Jesus is God, but we’re not saying Jesus is both the Father and the Son”, Trinitarians say. The definition of ‘Trinity’ states that all three are God, but the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are each not the other(s). “Jesus is equal with God and is God, but is not The Father.” So then, God must be a type of being, as humans are beings? Let’s say that God = Divine, while human = not divine. Jesus is, therefore, God (Divine) because He is God’s Son, as your child is human because s/he is your son or daughter. If that is the case, then we have God the Father, His only begotten (born) Son, the Holy Spirit, even the angels (created, not born), which are all ‘God’ (Divine), just as we have parents, children and ‘others’ who are human (not divine), right? Truly, the word ‘Elohim’ is defined as ‘gods’, inclusive of the Deity (translated as ‘Godhead’), the angels and even humans who are born again (born of the Spirit) by faith. Those of you who’ve studied Ps 82:6 and John 10:34 and looked up the definition of Elohim (Strongs H430) find this to be true. This is how the Word could both be ‘with’ Elohim or properly translated ‘to’ (Greek word ‘pros’) Elohim and yet be God Himself! (John 1:1)

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Like Father, Like Son?

People have likened the ‘family of God’ to the human family.For example, let’s compare the ‘subjection’ of the Son to the Father. Surely, a child is subject to the parent, yet equal in humanity, as the Son of God is subject to the Father, yet equal in Deity.The question then becomes, WHEN did Jesus become the Son of God? The answer? When He became the Son of Man, the last ‘Adam’ (1 Cor 15:45). All created things are subject to the Creator. If you believe in the ‘eternal subjection’ of the Son, there is yet more to learn by the Holy Spirit.

While we can read any translation of the Bible, we must not rely on private interpretation, based on 2 Pet 1:20.There is a difference between translation and interpretation. Would you believe an angel’s interpretation over your own, or that of your teachers? I certainly would.Time to read Daniel’s dream regarding the future subjection of the ‘Son’ in Chapter 7:13-14:

  • “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into His presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.”

If you’re like me, you were taught the ‘son of man’ in this passage is none other than Jesus Christ, the Son of Man/Son of God, while the ‘Ancient of Days’ is God the Father. However, the angel’s interpretation of this dream is given in the same chapter (reference vs. 21-22 and vs. 26-27):

  • "I kept looking, and that horn [Antichrist] was waging war with the saints and overpowering them until the Ancient of Days came and judgment was passed in favor of the saints of the Highest One, and the time arrived when the saints took possession of the kingdom.”
  • “But the court will sit for judgment, and his [Antichrist] dominion will be taken away, annihilated and destroyed forever. Then the sovereignty, the dominion and the greatness of all the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be given to the people of the saints of the Highest One; His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all the dominions will serve and obey him.”

I hope you caught that. Who does ‘one like the son of man’ represent? The SAINTS of the Highest One! See, God will restore ALL THINGS, just as it was in the beginning – before the fall of the first Adam.Truly, God created Man (Adam and Eve) to rule over everything. This is how it will be when full restoration is established.

Ponder the following scripture:

  • Ps 8:6-8 “You make him to rule over the works of Your hands; You have put all things under his feet, All sheep and oxen, And also the beasts of the field, The birds of the heavens and the fish of the sea, Whatever passes through the paths of the seas.”

Who is this speaking of?

  • Reference Gen 1:28 “God blessed them and said to them, ‘Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground.’"

Does this give greater understanding (interpretation) of 1 Cor 15:27 and other cross-referenced passages in your Bible? The NIV mistranslates the Greek to read, “’For he has put everything under his feet.’ Now when it says that ‘everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.’” Simply click on the hyperlink of 1 Cor 5:17 to see the actual Greek wording. The KJV, even the NAS words it accurately: “For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.” Now, this agrees with Gen 1:28 and Ps 8:6-8 harmoniously.

Do you see how translations can negatively affect the accurate interpretation of Scripture?

Eternally Begotten?

Back to comparing non-created (God) to created beings in both the spiritual and physical realms, God the Father is eternal, without beginning, without end. The Son of God is said to be “eternally begotten” (no scripture reference in existence), having no beginning or end. Do you know what ‘begotten’ means? It means to be literally born; to ‘come out of’. Jesus, as the Son of Man/Son of God, stated He came out from the Father (John 16:28). If God was ALWAYS a Father, Ps 2:7 would not be true: “I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD: He said to Me, 'You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.” Was He speaking of David or Jesus? It has to be Jesus because He is called the only begotten Son’ in John 3:16. There cannot be more than one begotten Son of God. Therefore, we have verified there was a beginning to God’s role as ‘Father’, that being at the conception of the Son.

So, WHEN was the Son of God conceived, then born? Did He have both a Father and Mother in eternity? Or was He begotten of the Father without a Mother? Some think God the Father (male) and the Holy Spirit (female) came together and begat the Son in heaven. Egalitarians can’t be right, since there is no procreation in heaven (Mat 22:30). Even this concept would still lead to a beginning point for the Son of God. The idea of an eternal Son of God doesn’t make any sense. Though the Bible does not say anything about the 'eternal Son’, the Creed of the First Council of Constantinople (381 AD) does – it is an idea, a man-made declaration that does not align with scripture, but has been accepted and propagated throughout the centuries, right up to today.

  • “…And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds.”

Surely, we can declare the Son was not only ‘begotten’ of the Father, but ‘came out of’ the Father (John 16:28). Likewise, the Holy Spirit ‘came out of’ the Father (John 15:26), yet was not ‘begotten’ of the Father. To understand the difference, let’s look at the creation of Adam and Eve. Eve ‘came out of’ Adam (Gen 2:21-22), but was certainly not born. Rather, Adam was the source from which she came. Because of this, they were no longer two (2), but one (1) flesh (Mat 19:6). Jewish scholars have interpreted the ‘one flesh’ as the child they beget. Because Eve ‘came out of Adam’, should we therefore conclude that God is two Persons when we read the words of Jesus in John 10:30: “I and the Father are One”? (cross ref: Deut 6:4) Not if you understand that God can exist in Spirit and flesh at the same time. Consider when the LORD God appeared to Abraham in Gen 18:22 with two of His angels (19:1). When we ponder the words of Jesus in John 14, I can tell you Eve never said, “If you’ve seen me, you’ve seen my husband.” Truly, God made man in His own image (Gen 1:27). Adam was made first, and Eve ‘came out of’ Adam later. We can see the singular, then the plural in this verse:

  • “God created man in His own image (singular), in the image of God He created him (1); male and female He created them (2).”

Breath of Heaven

Now, let’s consider how the Holy Spirit ‘comes out of’ (or out from) the Father in John 20:22:

  • "And when He [Jesus] had said this, He breathed on them and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit.”

God gave me a ‘picture’ I’d like to share with you. Imagine The Holy Spirit (God) likened to Water. We can liken the Son of Man/Son of God as the Pitcher containing the Water that pours it into the ‘glasses’ of born-again believers. See, the definition of ‘Spirit’ (Ruach in Hebrew or Pneuma in Greek) is wind, breath, spirit. God is The Spirit! (John 4:24; 2 Cor 3:17) The LORD is the Spirit! (2 Cor 3:17) There is only ONE Spirit! (1 Cor 12:8-13). He is invisible! (Rom 1:20; Col 1:15; 1 Tim 1:17; Heb 11:27) He is the wind, the breath of life! Do you think His breath is another ‘Person’, Who is NOT HIM, but distinctly separate from HIM?

  • Check this out – Job 33:4 “The Spirit of God has made me, And the breath of the Almighty gives me life.”

This breath IS the Spirit of the Almighty God! There are all kinds of Biblical passages that prove Jesus claimed to be the Almighty God. YHWH (the LORD) declares He is the only God, that we are to have no other gods besides Him (Ex 20:3; Deut 5:7). Seven times YHWH declares He is the only Savior and there is no other Savior besides Him (Deut 32:39; Isa 44:6, 8; 45:5-6, 21 and Hosea 13:4). YHWH declares He is the Alpha and Omega (Rev 1:8, 11; 21:6; 22:13), which means the First and the Last (Isa 41:4; 44:6; 22:13; Rev 1:, 11, 17; 2:8; 22:13), the Beginning and the End (Isa 41:4; 46:10; Rev 1:8; 21:6; 22:13). If there is more than one God, Almighty God, Savior and Alpha and Omega, the Bible does not declare it to be so. Therefore, if Jesus, both in the flesh and post-ascension declared to be God (John 8:58/Ex 3:14), is the Savior of your soul (Heb 10:39), declares to be the Almighty God, the Alpha and Omega, the First and Last, the Beginning and End, He is both God AND the Son of God = one and the same LORD.

How is this possible? We’ve already established that God the Father is Spirit (John 4:24). No one can see Spirit. The Spirit of God is He who overshadowed Mary to beget Himself in mortal flesh as the Son of Man/Son of God, the last Adam (Luke 1:35; 1 Cor 15:45). Because the Spirit of God is omnipresent (Ps 139:7), we can look at the flesh of God as His tabernacle (dwelling place), the temple of His Spirit – now, is 1 Cor 6:19 coming to mind? Does Emmanuel, being interpreted “God with us” coming to mind (Mat 1:23)?

The Creator of ALL Things

If the Father is the Creator and yet the Son of God is declared to have created ALL things, then either the Jehovah’s Witnesses are right – that the Son of God created all ‘other’ things or they’re wrong, which means, the One we know as Jesus (Yahushua = YHWH is Salvation), before He became the Son of Man/Son of God was the Almighty God who created ALL things. Surely, some Bible versions translate that all things were created THROUGH Him (the Word), while the KJV (the oldest translation of the Bible) states that all things were created BY Him, which confirms He is the one and only Creator of all things. For example, compare the translations of John 1:3 and Col 1:16. Now, God certainly created Adam and Eve (not begotten), then all humanity through humanity, did He not? If mankind didn’t procreate, we would have no human race on this planet.

“But Gen 1:1 shows the Trinity created all things!”, Trinitarians say. This interpretation, again, is due to man-made doctrine regarding the word ‘Elohim’. They read, “In the beginning God created…” (God = the Father). They read, “And God said…” (the Word = Jesus). They read, “And the Spirit of God moved…” (God = the Holy Spirit). Let’s compare this ‘idea’ with Isa 44:24 “Thus says the LORD (YHWH), your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, ‘I, the LORD (YHWH), am the Maker of ALL things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself And spreading out the earth all alone.” Therefore, there is no way one can say the Father created all things through the 'eternally begotten' Son and the 'help' of the Holy Spirit. The Bible says it clearly, He (GOD/YHWH) created ALL things by Himself, alone.

No, brothers and sisters, God is not a ‘Trinity’ of three Persons. He is both invisible and visible all throughout the Old and New Testaments. If we were to count all the manifestations of God we would have seven: immortal flesh to Abraham (Gen 18:22); the Angel of the LORD (Ex 3:2-4); clouds by day and fire by night (Ex 13:21); the Rock at Horeb (Num 20:8; Isa 44:8; 1 Cor 10:4); mortal flesh of the Son of Man/Son of God (Mat 1:23; 1 Tim 3:16); and ‘like a dove’ (John 1:32). Any visible image of the invisible Spirit is the same God. It’s no wonder ‘Elohim’ (plural), when used of The God is prefaced by the singular article. Jesus has always been and will always be the image of the invisible God (Col 1:15). Consider the post-ascension ‘form’ He took when appearing to Saul (Paul) in Acts 9:3-5 ~ invisible, speaking LIGHT.

Speaking of Col 1:15, it also states of Jesus that He is “the firstborn of all creation”. What does that mean? We must go back to John 3. The context of the entire chapter has to do with humans being ‘born again’, in order to become a ‘new creation’ (2 Cor 5:17). The passage compares being born of the flesh (water of the womb – this is not speaking of water-baptism) and the Spirit (through faith in Jesus Christ as your LORD [YHWH] and Savior). Jesus, as the Son of Man was born of the flesh (of the water of the womb of Mary) and as the Son of God was literally born of the Holy Spirit. He was, therefore, as the last Adam, the firstborn of the NEW creation, amen! Because of Him alone, we have the [birth]right to become children of God! Our inheritance was lost through the first Adam; it is REDEEMED through the last Adam!

  • 1 John 1:12 “But as many as received Him [Jesus Christ], to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name.”

Who Do You Say That I AM?

With all the religions in the world, the Truth boils down to the question, “Who Do You Say That I AM?” Who is Jesus? Surely, Peter said, “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the Living God”, while Jesus was in the flesh (Mat 16:16). But post-ascension, Peter called Him “our God and Savior, Jesus Christ”! (2 Pet 1:1) He was right BOTH times. Do we understand now that there is NO WAY to the Father except through Him? (John 6:44) and that by denying Him, we deny the Father? We CAN’T have the Father without the Son! (1 John 2:23) He is the same God yesterday, today and forevermore.

The LORD (YHWH) IS the Holy Spirit (2 Cor 3:17), who became the Father (Ps 2:7) upon the conception of the Son in the womb of Mary (Luke 1:35). If you believe the Holy Spirit is a third ‘Person’ of this Trinity, then it is HE who is the Father of the Son and not God the Father. If God the Father conceived the Son THROUGH His Holy Spirit, then the Holy Spirit is the ‘sperm’ or life-source of God, but is not the Father? Certainly, THAT makes no sense either. Doctrines such as Arianism will claim that Jesus is a god, as Moses (Ex 7:1), a king, as Solomon (Mat 12:43), and a savior of many saviors, as mentioned in Obadiah 1:21. Let me tell you something; Moses, Solomon and the other ‘saviors’ did NOT create ALL things and CANNOT save your SOUL. On the contrary, the kingdom of God is NOT of THIS world (John 18:36). YHWH, the LORD Jesus Christ, IS THE GOD of gods, the Creator of ALL things, THE SAVIOR of the world for all who will receive Him, the eternal King of kings and LORD of lords!

  • “For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, THE great God, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality and accepts no bribes.” (Deut 10:17)
  • “And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS." (Rev 19:16)
  • “And there is SALVATION in NO ONE else; for there is NO OTHER NAME under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved." (Acts 4:12)
  • “Now to THE King eternal, immortal, invisible, THE ONLY GOD, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.” (1 Tim 1:17).

~~~ Luke 24:45 "Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures." ~~~

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Ericdierker 3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

Interesting and well written. Sometimes I wonder about this "mystery". I see it backwards; How could God not be in all things?


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Judah's Daughter 3 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi Ericdierker! I am glad to see you! Thank you for the compliment ~ How could God not be in all things? Well, I can't say He's in Satan, can you? We aren't to worship trees, etc., so He obviously must not be in trees....God bless you!!


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teaches12345 3 years ago

I enjoyed your thoughts and facts on the trinity. This concept and truth is hard for many to understand. I think you did an excellent job of detailing the background and explaining how the relationship works and is still the facet of one God. Voted up and across.


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Judah's Daughter 3 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

It is always refreshing to hear from you, sister teaches12345! Thank you for bearing witness to the teaching here in this hub. It is my prayer and heart's desire to see the children of God shed the misinterpretation of Scripture and come to the knowledge of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ. It is His heart's desire that they come to know Him fully, even as we are known (1 Cor 13:12). It blesses my heart and His that you know Him, sister! Praise Him yesterday, today and forevermore! God bless you!!


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bettybarnesb 3 years ago from Bartlett, TN

Jesus kept things simple. I believe when we over think and analysis, we lose our prospective of God's true reality. Elohim - God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit - "All sufficient One" is the Creator of all. No one on this earth will ever fully understand God. It is a personal choice to believe and appreciate HE IS, and HE IS A rewarder of those who diglently seek Him. Great article and very well written.

be blessed...


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Ericdierker 3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

I had to think of your comment for a bit. Yes I do believe that God is in all living things. We all must deal with the fact that God created Satan. Otherwise satan could not exist.


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Michele Travis 3 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

This is a very good hub about why the trinity in not true. Remember when Jesus's followers asked him when the end of times would come? And Jesus told them in

Matthew 24:36 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Voted up.


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teacherjoe52 3 years ago

Good morning Judahs Daughter.

I really like your description of the Holy Spirit.

I believe Jesus is called the Son of God to represent the inheritance of the first born.

Yes, I am learning there are many misinterpitations in the Bible in the translations. It is good to referance the Old Testement with Hebrew as that is what it was written in and Greek for the New Testement as that was what it was written in.

Keep up the great work little sister.

God bless you.


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Judah's Daughter 3 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi sister, bettybarnesb! I think it's harder to explain the Trinity as One God, yet each 'Person' is not the other, thatn to explain what I've written in this hub. Un-truths DO take a lot of explaining, or are written off as something we're not supposed to understand. God gave us a mind to understand, but we can't understand heavenly things unless He reveals them. The only time I had to 'over-think' was during my de-indoctrination accomplished by the Holy Spirit. Indoctrination is a strong-hold, for sure. This Truth is beautiful and I embrace it with all my spirit, soul, mind and heart. Thank you for reading and I hope you gleaned something valuable from this hub. God bless ~


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Judah's Daughter 3 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi there ericdierker! I think you might enjoy my hub I recently published entitled "God Created Satan - Did God Create Evil?" http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/God-Create... Be blessed and hope to see you there :-)


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Judah's Daughter 3 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi sister Michele! So good to see you! You know, I wondered about the 'Son' not knowing everything the Father does in Mat 24:36, and you would think it would not be challenged within the Bible; however, Jesus said the Seed sown is the Word, right (Luke 8:11)? He also said that tares would be sown among that good Seed (He warned us - Mat 13:25). We can see the tares the Catholic church placed in Mat 28:19 (altering the very words of Christ) and 1 John 5:7. Now, let's read the conservative inter-linear of the Greek for Mat 24:36 here http://studybible.info/ACVI/Matthew%2024:36 . You can see that 'nor the Son' is not in the text. Matthew is the only book that scholars believe was originally written in Hebrew.

We can see many times that Jesus 'knew' things only God could know (as no evil was found in Him). A couple of examples are when Jesus 'saw' Nethanial under the tree, before Philip called him and before he met Jesus (John 1:48-50); another is when He told the Samaritan woman everything about her 'five husbands' and the man she was living with, the first time He met her (John 4:7-30).

We can then look at John 16:30, when the disciples said to Jesus, "Now we know that You know all things, and have no need for anyone to question You; by this we believe that You came from God." Again, we've covered the 'coming out of/from' in this hub.

And finally, did Jesus really not know when He would return? We all know He spoke in parables for a reason ...you might be interested in my hub entitled "Jesus Spoke in Parables": http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Jesus-Spok... . Jesus, being a Jew, also spoke in idioms; things that Jews only would understand. You may already know this, you may not, but "the Day and Hour No Man Knows" is another name for the Feast of Trumpets or Rosh HaShana. I would say Jesus knows.

Always a pleasure, sister. God bless you.


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Judah's Daughter 3 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Brother teacherjoe52! You are so RIGHT ON the Truth when you said, "I believe Jesus is called the Son of God to represent the inheritance of the first born." HalleluYah, Amen!! I'm yet making discoveries today when it comes to translations and studing the original texts (Hebrew and Greek) and comparing them. It's wonderful to have the Holy Spirit teach us. In my case, He showed me the Truth, THEN I started 'testing' that Truth by the written text. I began to 'see' the 'tares', for I had no idea about the alterations and how translations corrupted the actual wording and therefore, the accurate understanding/confirmation of His teaching.

Whenever people make the claim that the Bible has been changed, is corrupt or contradicts itself, my response is, "NOT in the original texts!!" Praise God! I'm so glad you were blessed by the description of the Holy Spirit, our God, our Teacher, our Comforter, our Helper, our Counselor, our Power, the Spirit of our Savior and LORD.

Thank you for the blessings, and may you also be abundantly blessed, brother, as you continue in the love of the LORD.


mj 3 years ago

Many mysteries concerning the Holy Trinity can not be conveyed (they're hidden), because the flesh simply does not have the verbal capability.

However, I think you've done as well as anyone can in making logical sense of this glorious mystery.

When Peter acknowledged Jesus as being the Christ when asked by Jesus, "Who do you say I am"? Jesus added that 'The Father' revealed this to him. This is just one example of the Holy Spirit's work, which is to give truth and understanding (the light of wisdom), in regards to God's kingdom.


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Judah's Daughter 3 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi mj, As the 'last Adam', Jesus was the Son of God, and thus Jesus said, "The Father" (who is the Spirit) in that response to Peter's confession. Likewise, when Jesus, as the 'last Adam'/Son of God taught us to pray, we are to begin with, "Our Father". As the 'last Adam'/Son of God Jesus set the example in everything. However, just as Peter confessed Jesus to be both God and Savior in 2 Pet 1:1, after the LORD's resurrection, we must come to the knowledge of the Truth.


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Leon Elijah 3 years ago from The Household of Sam Soleyn - Durban - South Africa

Hi Sister

The Father and the Son have a relationship in the Spirit. The Son is exact representation of the Father. Christ is the image of the invisible Father in Jesus. To view the essential attributes of God the Father you must look at the Son. For Jesus would say that I only do what I see my Father doing and only say what I hear my Father saying, if you see Me you have seen the Father. Enjoyed your hub. The Sons of God are meant to exactly represent their Heaven Father on the earth. We have missed the point of sonship when we think that Ministry is everything that happens in Church on Sunday morning. The culture of the Kingdom must re-emerge again because all of creation is groaning for the manifestation of the Sons of God to their rightful place of authroity and rulership.


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Judah's Daughter 3 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi Leon Elijah, The Father IS the Spirit and the relationship the Son had with the Father was while He was the last Adam, one of us, as we have a relationship with the Father in His Spirit. The Spirit that indwells us is the One LORD, One Spirit. He is "I AM", "YHWH".

2 Cor 3:17 "Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."

Eph 4:5 "One Lord, one faith, one baptism."

Jesus said we see the Father's works IN Him, for the Father dwelt IN Him, and yes, when we see Him we see the Father and know the Father. Like Christ, we are to hear the Spirit and do what He enables us to do. This includes doing so 24-7, not just at 'church', for our LORD set this example as well. He, as the last Adam, set the example in EVERYTHING. He taught us to pray and He prayed. He faced persecution and suffering, as we shall. He raised Himself from the dead and He will raise us, too.

Praise Him, our God and Savior, forevermore.


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James A Watkins 3 years ago from Chicago

Thank you for this excellent article. I enjoyed reading it. You eloquently stated your views and the reasons for them, with plenty of Scripture to back it up.

Would I be remiss in assuming that you are an Arian?


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Judah's Daughter 3 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi James! Such an honor to see you, my friend! Thank you so much for the compliments. Your writing is incredible and always worth the read. I hope this one came a smidgen as close :-)

Arians do not believe Jesus is God Himself, whereas I do. Arians really get under my skin (nice idiom, eh?) I believe the LORD (YHWH) is One (echad), just as when a Hebrew counts to three, the number 1 is echad, as was "one of his ribs" when Eve was made from Adam in Gen 2:21. If there were an eternal Son and of course, the Father is eternal, as is the Spirit, God would be shalosh (aka the Trinity, God in three distinct persons, each not the other....) I no longer hold to that traditional teaching. Of course, some think the 'eternal' Son and the Holy Spirit were created sometime before (or at the time of) the creation of the universe, which of course I do not believe. One, eternal God, who told us His name in Ex 3;15 is YHWH: "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, "YHWH, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name to all generations." (John 8:58). Of course, as the Son of Man, His name was Yeshua (YHWH saves). He is the Savior of our souls, amen.

Isa 43:11 "I, even I, am YHWH, And there is no savior besides Me."

I am not a "'Jesus Name" follower (for His name in English really should have been Joshua), but some would label me a Oneness or Modalist. Because they reject the God in three persons theology, those who hold to the Trinty call this heresy. I say, "For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you." (1 Cor 11:19). I love you in the love of YHWH, our God and Savior, aka (kai) Yeshua Ha'Mashiach.


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Judah's Daughter 3 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

You're such a troll, DT - harrassing yet one more Christian, female writer as newenglandsun? I will NOT post your comments or heavy metal propaganda.


newenglandsun 3 years ago

You know, you could have asked whether I was DT or not. Yes, I no longer go by the pseudonym "DT" anymore, okay? What's the big deal? I stopped going by that when I started writing my wordpresses. Besides, I am not "harassing" them as they do not feel "harassed".


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Judah's Daughter 3 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

I've approved this comment, DT aka newenglandsun and multiple other handles, so Miranda77 has evidence that you are a despicable troll.


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Ericdierker 3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

And the beauty of the covenenant is new. Let us rejoice in what he says and rejoice in what she says.


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Judah's Daughter 3 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Brother Ericdierker, bless you and I appreciate you.


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PapawStan 3 years ago

Hi Good Sister, Again, Another well versed, well researched article. This concept is for many, ever so hard to understand, especially if they dwell and think about it without the understanding you provide. The question has been posed to me by new found brothers and sisters and they want it in "Layman's Terms." There is always the rush to know without understanding. First, I think they need to understand what "Omnipotence" (Having unlimited power; able to do anything) or "Omnipresent" (Present everywhere at the same time) Means. Once you get a grasp on that, it's not that hard to understand. "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD." Isaiah (55:8 KJV). Great Article!


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Judah's Daughter 3 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Lovely to see you, PapawStan! You know, it is harder to explain the Trinity to a new believer than the Truth. It's harder for the indoctrinated to be teachable, let alone receive the Truth. For those who are new found brothers and sisters, as the LORD wills, they will be able to see easily without the tares of confusion. It was tough for me to shed the indoctrination, but the Bible and the anointed Teaching of the Holy Spirit won out.

Because I had a million zillion questions for the LORD, as He's answered me, I give answers to others. No doubt, they have the very same questions. Thus, I've written many hubs (just so much information). No man 'taught' me these things, and no one needs me to teach them anything. I'm just a messenger, but Jesus is our Teacher. If He chose to show Himself to millions, He will likewise to the same for those who are able and willing to receive.

Praise God and just know I am thankful for you and your heart of support for me, brother PapawStan.


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djt5036 3 years ago from Eddystone, PA

J.D.,

I'll be honest when I say the article is going to require me to do some rereading, but since I just wrote an article about this topic, too (mine was more philosophical than yours which was text-based), I wanted to review some other individuals' thoughts about the topic.

I'd be interested to read your specific thoughts on mine if you have the time, but if not, I understand.

djt


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Judah's Daughter 3 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Hi djt5036! Welcome to HubPages! Yes, I read your hub and really liked your section of the forms of H2O - I decided to send you a personal email. God bless you as you shine His Light and Love. Thank you!


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Edward Beck 2 years ago from Virginia Beach, Virginia

J.D.,

I absolutely loved this article, and am reminded of how much Isaac Newton fought and wrote about anti-trinitarynism (sic). Your exegesis was thorough, thoughtful, and expert. You convinced me; I had nuanced beliefs along much of what you said already and you tied it up neatly. The Jesus Only cult (I still think their formalized religious views to be wrong) have it right in that Christ is God, the Father and HS all in one, and in separate expressions simultaneously. Just as hard to menaatlly wrap around (I suppose) as is the Trinitarian doctrine.


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Judah's Daughter 2 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

The "Jesus Only" group believes God's name was always Jesus. Yehowshua means "YHWH is Salvation", just like YHWH Nissi is YHWH our banner, etc. It is one of His names - "You shall call His name Jesus, for He will SAVE HIS PEOPLE from their sins." (Mat 1:21)

I am not a sequential modalist (they believe the Father ceased to exist when the Son was born and then the Son ceased to exist when He then went back to His Spiritual form as "the Father"), but believe that ONE GOD (not a Trinity of three, eternally existent, unified persons, each not the other) manifested Himself in many ways throughout Scripture: clouds and fire, the immortal man that appeared to Abraham with two angels in Gen 18:22, the man that wrestled with Jacob, the man who appeared to Gideon, the voice that spoke to Abraham and in the burning bush to Moses, the one "like a son of God" in the fiery furnace, the Person of the Son (Jesus), the Spirit "like a dove" at the baptism of the Son of Man (Jesus), the Holy Spirit that lives in us. This does not make God a plurality of persons, yet One God manifested to us at many times and in many ways.

We can't wrap our carnal minds around an infinite God, but by His Spirit we can receive the understanding of who He is and try to express it in words (which is sometimes difficult to do). So, I use examples in Scripture and pray God will open the minds of those who read and love Him.

You might enjoy my two-hub series "The Manifestations of God: Old Testament" and "The Manifestations of God: New Testament" - full of Scriptures that we simply can't ignore.

Old Testament: http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/The-FORM-o...

New Testament:

http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/The-FORM-o...

Great to hear from you, Ed! God's blessings to you!


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Edward Beck 2 years ago from Virginia Beach, Virginia

It's my pleasure; Bill Perryclear sent me your way and I'm impressed with your undoubtedly extraordinary knowledge, and proper (so far as I can now see) understanding of things. And yes, I too see the idea of God that way (I just never formalized it in theological constructs of thought). I almost didn't say wrapping my mind around things because I knew technically He could always be understood in any way He expressed Himself in scripture as a witness to us. I will check it many other writings of your yours. I also just opened up in this forum and posted two hub already. Feel free to check them out; I'd be especially curious to see what your thoughts are concerning my article "Feminism and Frankenstein."


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Judah's Daughter 2 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

Welcome! I've read, commented and left you some fan mail!


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tirelesstraveler 2 years ago from California

Very in depth study of the trinity. It exhibits how God can not be put in a box. Thought provoking indeed.


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Judah's Daughter 2 years ago from Roseville, CA Author

I'm glad you found this thought-provoking, tirelesstraveler. I personally do not use the term "Trinity" any longer, since I found out what it actually teaches - that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three, eternally existent, side-by-side 'persons' in unity (of the same substance), like humanity is all human, yet several persons. This, I do not believe. I believe in just One God who manifests Himself to us however He chooses, for He otherwise is invisible Spirit. Blessings to you.

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