God Given Gifts?

Introduction

This hub is sort of a sequel to my earlier hub called: Giving Credit to God. In that hub I dissected the tendency for people to give credit to God for just about anything remotely positive in their lives. I explained that this was hypocritical since most people don't also hold God accountable when something bad happens. This makes sense however as most people who do blame God for bad things, such as those blaming the recent Earthquake on God's wrath, come off as insensitive, insane, or both. This is a double-standard of course since most don't even bat an eye when someone thanks God for winning a Grammy or creating a beautiful rainbow or some other such nonsense.

In this hub however I hope to discuss the idea of God given gifts and how it immediately cheapens human endeavors to think of things in this way.

Real World Example

I recently attended my little sister's middle school play. She did a very good job of memorizing lines and acting them out and was even awarded by all the kids and the people who produced the play with the best performance award. This play has been being rehearsed for months with her putting in long after school hours working to get this right. Pretty much everyone in the family who attended the play to support her also applauded her performance and congratulated her and said they were proud of her. Not my Father.

While he did say that he enjoyed the play he also qualified that statement by saying that my sister had a "gift" and that that "gift" was "FROM GOD". I try not to get embroiled into religious instructions with my Father anymore but I almost crossed that line in this instance. Here is why this sort of thing really grinds my gears - it cheapens the hours of effort and hard work that culminated in an excellent performance. What is my sister to conclude from this absurd idea? That none of what she is or does is ever due to her own effort? The idea that God instilled some sort of supernatural ability for acting is stupid.

It is true that some people might be genetically predisposed to certain physiological traits (ie athletes) acting is something which has no correlation to anything that happens before you were born. It's more about the environment you're raised in and your own personally acquired ability. In this case it was also about spending hours painstakingly memorizing lines and getting comedic timing just right.

What about the Bad?

So this got me to thinking - what about bad characteristics. What about people who are really good at being bad? Are professional criminals and serial killers who pull off dozens of crimes without being caught given a gift from God? So someone can spend hours working really hard on something good and God gets the credit but what about someone who spends hour premeditating the perfect murder? Will we just claim that's Satan's work? When did Satan get the idea to give this person the gift of being evil and what gives him permission? Can Satan or God just sprinkle some fairy dust and VOILA you now have a gift for poetry or robbing banks.

When someone gives to charity, gets a raise at their job or saves someone from a burning building there is absolutely no cause to cheapen that by giving credit to some man in the sky.

Why is God such a Glory Hound?

I touched on this in: Does God Drive a Red Sports Car? How much worship does this guy really need? Or is it that some Christians are afraid that if they don't thank him with every waking breath he'll forsake them and revoke mercy? And the thing is that I've talked to Christians and most of them cannot name one damn thing that God has ever done for them OTHER than send his son to save them. Of course followers of my hubs will know that Jesus' death doesn't save anyone from anything, at least not as far as I can tell. So what is it that all these thank you's and amens has done for Christians?

Than of course there's the fact that the Christian God isn't worthy of any praise since he's both incompetent and evil. His desire to be praised is only outweighed by the fact that he deserves none.

Finding your Calling

As a further show of arrogance from God some Christians believe that God has a divine purpose for your life. What they usually mean is that you have a calling, something that God ordained for you to do apparently before you were born. Even as a Christian I rejected this idea as it shatters free will. How can I choose how to live my life if God has already chosen for me? And can I get into Heaven without following my calling or will God be angry with me?

Why can't I just do what I want with my life? Of course this idea is seen as selfish by some Christians... even though according to some of those same Christians God didn't want robots and that's why he gave us free will. Anybody else's head hurt? So I guess you have to set aside any personal endeavors or aspirations... sorry deepest dreams and desires but God has a mission for me and it usually involves telling everyone I know how fucking wonderful he is.

Gifts of the Spirit

Along with supposed callings there are Gifts of the Spirit which read almost like stats from Dungeons and Dragons. There's Wisdom, Understanding, Counsel, Courage, Knowledge, Piety and Fear of the Lord. Now I'd like to know why being afraid of God is so very important because its an idea that is reinforced a great many times in both the Old and New Testaments. Why would be afraid of something that loves us unconditionally? Especially when God is meant to be our Father. I could see respecting a parental figure but FEAR, not sure that unconditional love creates fear. Hell according to Yoda Fear leads to the Dark Side, go figure.

Now I'm not sure why you would need to be indwelled by a spirit to have any of these seven gifts, none of them are particularly magical in nature. This is a common theme in Christianity, co-opting normal traits of human beings to make them out to be solely Christian. The idea of GOOD and CHRISTIAN being connected pervades our culture. Supposedly Christians are virtuous good people and in my experience many of them are but then again so are many non-Christians I'm acquainted with. Just another example of Christianity and God getting credit for things they shouldn't.

Conclusion

You don't need to believe in God or have some God granted gift to be a good and talented individual. Christianity sure sends an awful lot of mixed messages of just this sort. On the one hand it's said you will rewarded for righteous deeds in numerous places in the Bible while others emphasize only faith. The idea of God given gifts is just one more example of how people give credit to God for stuff that he has NO connection to. While it's not a great idea to be overly prideful or arrogant feel free to take some credit for yourself rather than give it to an invisible supernatural entity for which you have no evidence who is clearly not connected to what you're giving him thanks for. Thanks for reading and be sure to check out my other hubs!

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No one knows 5 years ago from S.F. Bay Area

Well done. So much of what people call God is just imagination and wishful thinking.


Lady_L71 5 years ago

God certainaly gets ALL the glory and thanks for everything in my life! He gives you and me every breath we take. Without God I would be nothing! God doesnt ask for anything but that you believe in him...its called faith! I cant see the wind either, but there is evidence of it everywhere...as well as there is evidence of God everywhere! BUT you have to believe in him, or of course you wont see the evidence! Im not sure what you believe in but I believe in God, Jesus Christ! I do feel there are some christians that are fake and give the true christians a bad name! True christians do not judge, there fore im not judging you....that's Gods job. I had to comment to this post because God has done way too much for me to not defend him! If I were to be wrong ( Im Not) and there isnt a God then there isnt anything to worry about when life ends...but If Im right and there is a God, then those who do not know him and havent believed in him, are in big trouble! I praise God everyday and someday I will praise him face to face!


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No one knows 5 years ago from S.F. Bay Area

So I guess your belief is sort of like fire insurance. If you need it it's there and if you don't it doesn't matter. God, if he is omnipotent, shouldn't need you to defend him/her. It's all in your imagination. I'd really like to believe, too, but it just isn't believable any more than the Islam myth. The only reason anyone believes is that they were taught to believe by people who were also taught to believe by people who didn't know either. We can't know and we wont know until we die. I'm OK with that and I'd rather be real than believe in some made up myth that was imposed on mye .


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Titen-Sxull 5 years ago from back in the lab again Author

"He gives you and me every breath we take"

Actually my lungs do that, its a well understood natural process known as respiration. There's no magic involved.

"God doesn't ask for anything but that you believe in him."

Can you prove that God asked that? Because I've never interacted with any deities and so none have ever asked me anything. Furthermore if there are any they've left no evidence of their existence. I only believe in things that are demonstrably real especially when it comes to extraordinary claims.

"I cant see the wind either, but there is evidence of it everywhere"

Right so it follows that if we can prove the existence of wind we should be able to prove the existence of God. There are scientific measurements that can be taken to show which direction the wind is blowing and what chemical elements its made of. There is no such evidence of God.

"BUT you have to believe in him, or of course you wont see the evidence!"

That's not how evidence works. The first person to discover the duck billed platypus didn't have to believe it existed in order to discover and study it. Belief should not be a prerequisite for reality, reality should be a prerequisite for belief.

"I had to comment to this post because God has done way too much for me to not defend him!"

Give me one example of something God has done for you.

"If I were to be wrong ( Im Not) and there isn't a God then there isn't anything to worry about when life ends...but If Im right and there is a God, then those who do not know him and haven't believed in him, are in big trouble!"

This is known as Pascal's Wager, look it up sometime and you'll see the many logical issues with it. For one thing you're creating a false dichotomy between there being YOUR God and there being NO God, you also have to include every single other God ever believed in by mankind if you want to make it fair. So while I might be in trouble for disbelieving in YOUR God, if a different God exists, who doesn't care about belief or unbelief, than I'm still safe. Why would a loving God care about someone having blind faith anyway? I'm pretty sure that if said love were unconditional than it wouldn't matter.

"I praise God everyday and someday I will praise him face to face!"

Good luck with that, I hope you enjoy bowing down to a deity who plans on burning the majority of humanity in a fiery lake. I can't see how anyone could praise such a deity with a clear conscience but to each his/her own I suppose.


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Congratulations to your sister for working so hard. I do hope she is proud of herself too! I know from personal experience how hard middle school plays can be.

@Lady L - "Without God I would be nothing! God doesn't ask for anything but that you believe in him...its called faith!"

All religious faith will get you is a "possible ticket" to a mythical place after you DIE! I hope your faith is going to work for you. Meanwhile, I'll try to leave the earth a better place than when I found it.


Lady_L71 5 years ago

You are right, God doesn't need for me to defend him...I did that because I wanted to! As for what he has done for me....He healed my daughter before she was born....I had a risky pregnancy so I had ultra sounds very often...my first 1 showed that my placenta was covering the "opening" for a natural birth, this was due to me having a C-section with my son and I had alot of scar tissue...In every ultra sound after the 1st there was no change, my Dr said that he would have to remove my uterus when I gave birth because my placenta had embedded into it "grown there"...I continued to have ultra sounds checking my progress...when I was 36 weeks I had one last ultra sound and we were going to schedule my C-section since natural birth was not an option...At this far along the baby is almost full term and you can see every detail with the 3D ultra sounds....The nurse was doing the ultra sound and kept looking at the screen and she said well look at that your placenta has moved,and only a tiny tip is at the opening!! This in its self is a miracle if you know anything about medicine! As the nurse was showing me my baby girl (who until this day always kept her hands over her face)She saw a dark area where my little girls top lip should be!I saw it too, clear as if I were watching a black and white tv show!! I said what is that??? The nurse said let me get the Dr., she called in my Dr and he said yes she is going to have a cleft lip, and if we could get her to open her mouth we could see if it is a cleft pallet too....I was in shock...I heard the Dr say everything will be fine, after she is born we can do surgery and......i didnt hear anymore...my mind went to how hard things would and could be for my baby! We left the Dr office and I called all the people that had already been praying for me and my placenta...I told them the good news about my placenta and that it had moved enough that I could have a natural birth but that my baby was going to have a cleft lip. We all prayed for her healing.....a few weeks later I was in labor....the min my daughter came out I said how is she....the Dr said she is perfect! I had to see for myself...I said let me see her! She was perfect!! Her little mouth was completely formed! The nurse that did the ultra sound stopped by to check on me and to see my daughter and she couldnt believe it when she saw a perfect little mouth! The Dr could not explain it...but I could! I have more wonderful things God has done for me....I cant make any of you believe in him but I do, with all my heart and soul!


believer1 5 years ago

The devil has put blinders on people , I would rather trust in my lord and Savior who created all things even Satan who is the father of all lies , and at the end discover I was wrong I have lost nothing I will just go to sleep in death and that will be it but, why would any one want to take that chance if at the end there is GOD you will lose your sole to a burning hell for ever GOD loves you and is waiting on you to just call on him he does not send anyone to hell it was made for satan and his angels , When someone rejects Christ they then are the ones who choose there eternal home you have a choice GOD will not force him self on any one the earth even declares there is GOD, You put your faith in that chair you pull out to sit in that it will hold you up well that is sort of what faith in GOD is I can't see it but I am trusting that that chair want collaps on me also I got out ever day to start my car trusting it will start that is faith Why then if there is no GOD at the Bed side of the dying the saved ones see HIm standing there waiting on them and die peacefully and those who die lost are screaming it is hot here get me out or leave me alone these are true stories wittnessed by home health nurse in my town I will not risk my soul by believing the lie of the devil or any one I have given my heart to GOD why risk your soul non Believer


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Titen-Sxull 5 years ago from back in the lab again Author

@Lady_L71

"This in its self is a miracle if you know anything about medicine!"

Even if I were to concede that it were a miracle how would that logically lead to it being God who performed the miracle? The short answer, it wouldn't. It would be pretty much impossible to establish this as a supernatural event in the first place without some sort of evidence that it can never happen naturally.

"The nurse that did the ultra sound stopped by to check on me and to see my daughter and she couldn't believe it when she saw a perfect little mouth!"

And you think the most plausible explanation for this is supernatural? As opposed to

1) the nurse making a mistake in interpreting the ultrasound

2) natural development correcting the problem

As I said above even if you could establish this as a "miracle" that wouldn't logically imply a God. Given that prayer has been tested and shown to fail miserably and given that there are lot's of children who are prayed for that are born with birth defects what makes you think there is a God at work here and not something more mundane?

@Believer1

"why would any one want to take that chance if at the end there is GOD you will lose your sole to a burning hell for ever GOD loves you and"

Ask yourself this, why would a loving God burn someone in hell forever? Are you a parent? If so would you ever light your child on fire for disobeying? What is the typical penalty a child might get if they lie to a loving parental figure? Now ask yourself why your "loving" God thinks that lying is worth an eternity of agony.

"is waiting on you to just call on him"

I was a Christian from age 8 - 19. I spent that entire time calling on God. Never got an answer. But it wasn't the lack of answer that turned me away from Christianity, it was how incompetent and evil the God of the Bible is.

"I got out ever day to start my car trusting it will start that is faith"

There are a great many problems with your reasoning here, almost too many for me to go into. For one thing cars are not supernatural. I can see, touch, hear and even TASTE my car if I wanted to. Not only that but I've had prior experience with starting it. So if it's started just find every other day I've started it there's no reason to think it won't now. That's trust in something which is demonstrably verifiable with which I have prior experience. That's not the same as believing there's an invisible supernatural being who I've never had direct experience with AND never seen any other evidence of.

"HIm standing there waiting on them and die peacefully and those who die lost are screaming it is hot here get me out or leave me alone these are true stories wittnessed by home health nurse in my town"

I'm just curious is English your first language?

The dying brain releases chemicals during death that can create vivid hallucinations similar to lucid dreams, this is the source of Near Death Experiences. There is also dementia brought on by old age as well as other forms of mental illness. The reason people claim to see devils or angels during these is because they are associated with death in Christian mythology, and Christian mythology is something familiar to more than 2 Billion people on this planet. This is no more proof of God than a child dreaming of being attacked by a monster is proof that monsters exist.

"why risk your soul non Believer"

Because no one has ever shown me any evidence of a soul, they are indistinguishable from the imaginary. It's the same reason I don't believe in God, Bigfoot, Martians, fairies and Santa Claus, the complete lack of evidence.


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Oh no! I'm going to lose my sole! And I just bought these shoes and learned to like fish. Carp!

Titen-Sxull, I'm shocked - you don't believe in bigfoot? That video just didn't convince you huh? And it's so much more substantial than a 2-3,000 year old book.

Now Lady L71 - you have experienced what we in the medical field call legal medicine. If anything looks odd, the nurses and docs try to prepare you for the worst that may happen. This is to avoid law suits. If they can make you think a miracle has occurred, you will not only NOT sue, but you'll tell all your friends what a great doctor and nurse they are! If they are correct in their interpretation of a cleft palate or misplaced placenta, well then, they're still great doctors and nurses because they prepared you ahead of time! Do you see how this works out?

It's kind of like negative proof. If you pray that the tornado will miss your house and it does, then God or an angel was watching out for you. If it hits your house and destroys everything, then you weren't praying hard enough or going to church regularly or whatever.

Believe what you will. There is no reaching a believer that can't figure out the tricks.


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tough_gurl 5 years ago from Northcaolina

One of the things I like best about shopping is finding the perfect gift for someone special. I'm thrilled when that person delights in my gift. If someone obviously does not appreciate the gift I'm crushed. How similar God must feel when we neglect the perfect gifts He gives us. As a loving Father He created us with natural abilities and strengths and then on top of that spiritual gifts as well. Why has He done this? God granted us gifts and abilities so we can serve others as well as give part of ourselves back to Him. And he gave some as apostles and some as prophets and some as evangelists and some as pastors and teachers for the equipping of the saints for the work of service to the building up of the body of Christ (Ephesians 4:11,12).In receiving these gifts and abilities we have several choices: We can set them aside in disappointment and pursue something that looks better in our own eyes we can develop them for personal gain or we can practice them as our own gifts back to God. When it comes to long term fulfillment however we find greatest satisfaction when our gifts and abilities are used as intended with grateful glances toward the Giver.Some people claim they don't have any special talents or gifts or they don't pursue discovering them. But God desires every member of the body of Christ to use the abilities He greatley gave therefore each believer has the responsibility to seek out and discover his or Godgiven talents. Doing this can launch a lifetime of enjoyable stewardship and service to God.One way to recognize our talents is to notice things we excel at and enjoy doing. Another is to ask close friends or family members which areas they see as our strengths. Yet a third is to take one of the various tests that measure our strengths and weaknesses as well as reveal spiritual gifts.After recognizing our talents however we may compare ourselves to others and react in disappointment. Instead of trusting that our "Father knows best" we compare God's gifts for us to unrealistic personal or social expectations. Society may favor certain talents but they might not suit us as individuals. By failing to look at a gift's true value, we not only cheat ourselves but we cheat God as well. "Isn't He the Potter greater than you the jars He makes? asks Isaiah 29:16 (Living Bible). Will you say to Him'He did not make us? Does a machine call its inventor dumb? God has created us for a purpose we should follow the direction He lays out.Others develop their talents for personal gain. In today's society some overlook the fact that God holds all responsibility for our talents. They take the credit for themselves either because certain things have come easily or because they worked hard for their accomplishments. Yet when we selfishly take credit for what God deserves we fail as faithful stewards to God. Many fall into this trap because of pride and the attractions of success. When this happens God probably feels as I would if I were to give a child an art kit and the child painted for others but never for me.Consider how pleased God must be when His children use the gifts He's given to honor Him. The apostle Paul is a good example of someone who used his talents for himself first and then for God. When we first read in the Book of Acts about Paul he was using his zeal passion and gift of teaching to persuade people not to follow God. In fact he persecuted and imprisoned those who believed in Christ. But after he met Christ in a personal way and was filled with the Holy Spirit Paul used those same gifts to help lead many people to Christ.It was the apostle Paul who wrote so much in the New Testament about our gifts and talents and the use of them. Paul's life wasn't easy once he began using his gifts for God's purposes but he experienced the joy peace and contentment that come when we serve God in the way He's gifted us to do. We should also consider our relationships as we look at stewardship of our talents. Think of your relationships with friends and family members are you using your talents to help them follow Jesus? God has given us the talents we have so that we can help strengthen others.Since every person possesses different abilities and spiritual gifts the body of Christ can fully function only when everyone takes advantage of what God has given them. Romans 12:6 tells us “And since we have different gifts that differ according to the grace given to us let us exercise them accordingly."When everyone does what he or she has been created to do God's will is also accomplished more readily. In fulfilling the Great Commission for example if all believers were to apply their specific talents to the task of making disciples the gospel would spread more quickly and have a greater impact.Luke was a man who understood stewardship. As a physician he was most likely exact and he used this precision to write detailed accounts of Jesus and the beginning of the church. Luke wrote his gospel "so that you might know the exact truth about the things you have been taught" (Luke 1:4). By willingly using his ability to clearly present facts an accurate account has been preserved throughout time.And we today by opening our hearts to the gifts God has given us can not only further God's kingdom and find greater fulfillment in life but can also give a heartfelt "thank you" to the one who so graciously bestowed upon us so many gifts in the first place.


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Sheesh, what pamphlet did tough_gurl copy and paste from?


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Titen-Sxull 5 years ago from back in the lab again Author

Right here Austinstar: http://www.worldwidechallenge.org/content/tending-...

The least she could have done was attempt to paraphrase.

The Patterson film is pretty convincing looking but you would think in the decades following it some more substantial evidence would have been found... no such luck. So Bigfoot remains in the "probably not real" category with a host of other creatures, beings and deities :D


believer1  5 years ago

You know what your problem is you are to educated to believe And I have a problem believing that you where ever a Christian but you know what if you ever where then you will be in heaven one day because That is how God works once you are his he never leaves you also Yes I am a parent and would never set my child on fire when we are born we are born into sin because of Adam and eve and because of that we became separate from God because GOD is sinless and there is no sin in heaven so in order to get there you have to ask God to forgive you and some one has to pay for our sin and in this case Jesus took out place on the cross , so we either get saved which makes us a child of GOd or we reject him and are a child of satan there for where ever our father lives so shall we thus reject God and you are not his so this means you choose Satan as your father and if Hell is made for him then guess whre you spend all eternity Also he will wipe away all tears we will have no rememberence of those loved ones that are in hell if we do then it wouldn't be heaven, You know you think you are so smart but you have evidently been misled you don't go to hell for lying or drinking or killing the only reason you go to hell is because you reject the free gift of salvation , try reading the bible and put that scientific mumbo jumbo stuff aside , you say I can't prove to you there is a GOD then you prove to me there isn't .


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Titen-Sxull 5 years ago from back in the lab again Author

"you say I can't prove to you there is a GOD then you prove to me there isn't ."

Sorry but that isn't how the burden of proof works. I don't have to disprove Santa Claus in order to stop believing so I don't have to disprove God to stop believing either.

And yes I was raised a Fundamentalist Pentecostal Christian. I've already read the entire Bible. Reading the Bible is what lead to the downfall of my Christian beliefs and skepticism is what eventually lead to my atheism.


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tough_gurl 5 years ago from Northcaolina

if there is no GOD then where did the first trees ever come from? the sky?


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Titen-Sxull 5 years ago from back in the lab again Author

Are you a troll? Because if so that is a hilarious question... but if not you have my sympathies.

Do I seem like an expert in plant evolution to you? Plants, animals and indeed all living things evolved from earlier ancestors which in turn evolved from complex chemical reactions (the first proto-cells were just self-replicating chemical "machines").

Ironically enough your own Christian beliefs are MORE absurd than the idea of trees falling from the sky since God descended from the sky to create them using magic. At least the idea that they magically came into being on their own doesn't have the added stipulation of an all powerful omniscient being creating them ex-nihilo with magic words (as depicted in the Bible).


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

believer - "You know what your problem is you are to educated to believe"

I really never heard this one before. Ipso facto, you must be too uneducated to non-believe.

They have accidentally discovered the truth - We atheists are just too damn educated. I guess God only loves the dumb ones.

Titen, did you see this hub? http://hubpages.com/education/Big-Foot-Or-Knobby-I... The video is pretty good. I don't have any idea if it's real or not, but I thought of you when I watched it.


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Titen-Sxull 5 years ago from back in the lab again Author

Interesting footage Austinstar but I'm amazed at how blurry it is whenever someone captures this sort of stuff. You'd think some hunter somewhere would have shot a Bigfoot by now, there'd have to be a sizable population especially if they're out crossing roads :D


believer1  5 years ago

Well ok I have done my best to help you so you have made your choice I do not need to prove GOD is real AND HE IS!!!!! I don't need to argue for him that is not what he is about , I had rather be uneducated as you say and yet be smart enough to miss hell , so think what you will make all the fun you want there is a day coming if you are not saved that while you are burning you will remember this conversation but it will be to late for you , I will be praying for you and I feel so so sorry for you that you can't just believe and you have fallen to the lies of the devil , All these things were created by G0D they did not evolve if so why arent' there more things evolving, Oh well Have a great life , and Titen if you ever where truly saved And by this I don't mean you attennded a church or joined a church that doesn't make you saved , then how could you turn your back on the one who still loves you maybe you never really where saved and that is why you couldn't just believe what was in the bible and that is why as you said earlier he never answered your prayers sometimes he doesnt' always answer them in our time frame or the way we want but if we are not his then the only prayer he does hear is the one to be saved , just like having someone elses child come up to you and ask for something most like because you don't know this kid are you going to give him what he ask for I don't thinks so, but if you personnaly know this child then chances are you may or may not give to him or her what they ask for if you see that is what they need ,same principle with GOD , Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out so maybe you should look back into your life and see if you ever come to apoint that you ask GOD into your heart and you truly believed he rose from the dead maybe that has been your problem you never truly got saved, and by the way there Austinstar there are no true athiest even Darwin recanted when he was dying , Have a great day GOD YOU LOVES YOU TO!


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

Believer1 - Not only do you not need to prove that god exists, you are not capable of doing so. Give it up already.


believer1  5 years ago

Oh I have given up on you ,but God hasn't and right back at ya you are not capable of proving he doesn't exist either . Have a great Life !!!


Lady_L71 5 years ago

Austinstar/Titen-Sxull....There really is no need to be rude and make fun of people and how they choose to type! Anyone ever made fun of you? If so then you should understand how it feels! I do not have to prove to anyone that my God, the ONLY God there is, is real! He is real to me and to many others! I have had several " legal medicine" experiences if that's what you want to call them, I will call them answered prayer! And even if God chose not to answer a prayer, which he has, I would still sing his praises! And about the nurse being wrong, I saw my daughters mouth with my own eyes and the hole that was there! It is impossible for her mouth to completely form in 1 week! I also later in life had a MRA done on my kidneys....the results showed 2 of the arteries in my right kidney were 70% blocked! The results were sent to a surgeon and he looked over them and we decided to do stents, or possibly a by-pass....when I went in for the procedure the surgeon showed me 3 times by running dye thru my arteries that there was NO blockage and my arteries were clear! 3 doctors had looked at my MRA before I scheduled the surgery for the stents....answered prayer to me! You can explain it away all you want, but I know God healed me! Im not going to respond to any more of these comments, Im not angry at all, I have just said all I want to say and we will just have to agree to disagree!


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

You obviously do not know how rude it is to tell an atheist that "God loves you".

And it isn't about "how they choose to type" it's the actual words they choose to type - misspelled or not.

Just blame it on lack of education, ok?


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Titen-Sxull 5 years ago from back in the lab again Author

@Lady_L

"Anyone ever made fun of you?"

What sort of question is that. OF COURSE. Everyone gets made fun of, especially on the internet. It's one thing to have bad spelling and bad punctuation but that believer1 guy could barely form a coherent sentence, no offense it's just the truth.

"I do not have to prove to anyone that my God, the ONLY God there is, is real!"

You came in here to defend your God correct? Admitting that you have no reason to believe in him (ie can't prove him) doesn't do any good.

"It is impossible for her mouth to completely form in 1 week"

I find it ironic that the person who believes in a supernatural invisible all powerful being is telling me what is and is not possible. So let me get this straight - God using magic to heal you unborn child: Possible. Natural developmental processes fix the problem in a week: Impossible. Both you and the Nurse getting it wrong: Impossible. Does that about sum it up?

"answered prayer to me!"

And a supernatural explanation is more likely than a natural one in this case as well?

"I have just said all I want to say and we will just have to agree to disagree!"

Fair enough


writeronline 5 years ago

Titen-Sxull, I've rated your extremely rational hub 'up', 'awesome', 'useful' and 'beautiful'.

Just my way of trying to redress the balance a little, since (miraculously..!) these are the very words your detractors would use to deify their imaginary friend.

I’ve intentionally not included ‘funny’ because, try as I might, I can’t see the funny side of the overbearing, mindless, patronising, self-serving – make that ass-covering, stuff that’s been written here by the True Believers who’ve leapt to his defence.

Keep up the god work. (haha, intentional Freudian slip).


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Titen-Sxull 5 years ago from back in the lab again Author

Thanks writeronline. They are funny though in a sort of sad way, especially Believer1 who thinks my problem is I'm too educated. Does this mean I'm smarter than his God?


irene 5 years ago

one day you will see the truth and my fear si once you do it will be to late so i'm going to pray that you will fine the real truth soon.


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Titen-Sxull 5 years ago from back in the lab again Author

Is there a reason why I can't see the truth right now irene? Why must it "one day"? Are my arguments flawed somewhere, do you have some evidence for God, or were you referring to something based on mere faith as truth?


irene 5 years ago

i say that because your to blind to see it now in the bible it says in the last days there will be storms and i know many have been happening so that's proof. your just blinded by satan now.


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Titen-Sxull 5 years ago from back in the lab again Author

That's a pretty vague prophecy irene, in fact that's about as vague as it gets. Let me guess it also says there will be wars and rumors of wars right? I'm more than familiar with Biblical prophecy as I spent a good deal of my life as a Christian. There are always storms and as long as there are people there will always be wars. These are no more prophetic than if I were to tell you the sun will rise 365 times this year.


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

I will go so far as to predict earthquakes, famines, and locusts!

But still the world won't end, Irene. You are listening to the wrong "news" source. You are blinded by religion.


irene 5 years ago

you people are the blind ones atleast i know will i will go.


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Titen-Sxull 5 years ago from back in the lab again Author

How do you know irene? By faith? Because faith is NOT a method of knowing anything. Faith is what makes kids "KNOW" that Santa is real.


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Austinstar 5 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

And where will you go, Irene? You have faith that you are going to heaven? Do you even know where and what that is? I'm guessing somebody told you about heaven. You didn't come up with the idea on your own. Now, you have to reason out with your own mind, how you are going to get there after you are dead. Don't quote the bible, use your own imagination.

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