Does God hate Gays?

Does God hate gays? Or is it really just an excuse to discriminate homosexuals

According to The Bible, Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed because of their way of living which God couldn't accept, right? Lot, the good man of the city, had to angle guests. And all of a sudden some of the male inhabitants of the city wanted "to know" the guests. And yeah... The problem lays in that sentence... they wanted "to know" them. Well I'm quite sure "to know" = som kind of *** intercourse, but was it meant as a sort of homosexual attraction, or just pure evil rapture? And if it "just" was a form of rapture, then homosexuality couldn't really be the reason to destroy the cities, and therefore couldn't be a proof that God hates homosexuals.

I myself move a bit back and forth about my oppenion on homosexuals, but it stays around the "Well... God is against it I guess so it isn't cool... but I wont hate on them".

The Old Testament

But again. It is written in The Old Testament, and some of the rules from The Old Testament they have exceeded their expiration date. For an example, according The Old Testament, if a rapist rape a person then they should marry each other. Back then, it made sense, because when a person has been raped then the person wasn't "pure" and cold therefore not find a person to marry with. But now it would be weird and a lot of people would probably see it as wrong in so many ways.

Because of that, it can be hard to tell, if what The Bible is telling, is what we should listening to, or maybe see in a perceptive from the context of our society.

The trees...

Do you remember the quote from The Bible "Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit". If we see homosexuallity as a tree. Then would it be a good tree or a bad one. As The Bible says, the fruits determine what kind of a tree it is. So what are the good and bad fruits of homosexuality aka what is the good and bad things about it?

What kind of gay people?

If a gay couple goes to a party, and sleeps with half of the other male guests, then we might be albe to say that homosexuality has given a bad fruit. But if a christian gay couple who regularly do charity, love other people and put others needs before their own, can homosexuality then still have given a bad fruit? If that happiness those homosexuals show is due because of their freedom to love each as homosexuals, then I can't see much bad about "that kind of" homosexuality. And if it isn't a bad fruit, then it is a good fruit, and if it is a good fruit, it's a good tree. Quite simple.

What about The Bible?

But it still doesn't make sense in my head because as mentioned, The Bible tells us homosexuality isn't a good thing, and even though it may have been written a long time ago, I still believe that trying to interpret The Bible so it fits to our society makes The Bible loose it's real purpose. Isn't The Bible written to us to learn from? But instead thinking that something from The Bible can be used, and others need interpretation so it fits our society, I just think that The Bible looses its significance.

Now here in small Denmark, the government has agreed on allowing homosexual marriages in our churches. It seems more like a move towards equality from the government than a move from the church to bless homosexuality.

No discrimination

But a clear statement I have to make is that even though homosexuality can be seen as "right" be some people and "wrong" by others I still believe that since it is scientifically proven that homosexuality isn't a choice and that it is a combination of genes and environment, I find discrimination towards them wrong. Just as I believe racism is wrong I believe that even though I may find it wrong, I don't have the right to discriminate them because of that.

What are you're thoughts on Gods perspective on homosexuals?

And discrimination towards them?

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Dawit T profile image

Dawit T 4 years ago from Denmark Author

Lady_E: Thanks for your comment.


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Lady_E 4 years ago from London, UK

I admire you for writing about a very sensitive subject. I personally don't think it's a Gene thing. If it was, it would have been so popular decades ago.

I love the way you wrote about it - very thought provoking.

Best Wishes. :)


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Dawit T 4 years ago from Denmark Author

Anton:

Thanks for the compliment.

I totally understand your view on this. As you say, you've met christian homosexual couples several times which I haven't. I'm sure that it also has an influence.

I respect your opinion. It's good to hear different views on this. Good to hear that you are a kind and non-judging person, but for myself I'm still not sure about it.

Have a nice day


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AntonOfTheNorth 4 years ago from The Land Up Over

Hello Dawit,

I believe you when you say you are not 'hating on homosexuals'.

"If I got a proof (Which I find convincing) that showed that God is totally fine with homosexuality, then I wouldn't have a problem with homosexuals at all."

The proof for me was getting to know people who are homsexuals. Many of whom are also christians.

If your feelings on the issue come from upbringing, I submit that the writer of leviticus was also subject to that feeling. Was it from God?

This is the issue. I myself have no apparent desires to engage in sexual relations with another man. (The smells are wrong, the optics do nothing for me.)

But the notion of loving another human being wrong in the sight of any god I could believe in. . . I've met too many loving, committed homosexual couples for me to believe for a second that the creator would not bless that commitment. Does this feeling of mine come from god? Or is it my own? And how can I tell?

The actual experience of life is more compelling to me than the opinion of a writer of past millenia.

I'm not saying you should see the world as I do, just an opinion offered honestly. I support your honest exploration of the issue, and the courage to write about it.

cheers


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Dawit T 4 years ago from Denmark Author

Anton:

My perspective on homosexuality comes from upbringing. In my family it has been seen as "wrong" and if that has manifested into my brain, it's obvious I choose to accept the passages in The Bible that seems right in my head. But I still want to mention that I'm not hating on homosexuals. If I got a proof (Which I find convincing) that showed that God is totally fine with homosexuality, then I wouldn't have a problem with homosexuals at all. I'm fine with homosexuality but only as long it's accepted by my religion.

But the problem can still be solved by the "Respect without accept". Some people are homosexuals and that's their choice, and my way of showing respect to that is by not discriminating them. But that doesn't mean that I'm accepting homosexuality as a good thing.

Have a nice day :)


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AntonOfTheNorth 4 years ago from The Land Up Over

Hello Dawit,

"I didn't understand the last part Anton: "Otherwise, they are simply bowing to an opinion. If that's the case, they should own that too."

Let's try it this way. What makes one passage from Leviticus more valid than another one? If you have rejected slavery, you have rejected something that the writer of Leviticus clearly supports. What keeps you from rejecting the belief that homosexuality is an abomination? Your opinion.

I think it is more accurate to say that it is your opinion that homosexuality is wrong. Your opinion is SUPPORTED by one (or several) passages in the bible. You opinion on slavery is REFUTED by one or more passages in the bible.

"As you say yourself, it comes down to what the person chooses to accept from The Bible."

Choose love. Choose acceptance. Choose understanding. Once you've chosen these, one should be able to come to a compassionate choice on this issue, rather than one of judgement.

Are there other passages of Leviticus you accept?

cheers


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Dawit T 4 years ago from Denmark Author

Phil: It mentions homosexuality in Leviticus.

But as Anton says "If according to Leviticus, homesexuality is an abomination, than by that token we should have slaves"

I agree on the fact that there are passages in The Bible that I don't accept.

Yes, I know that you can find arguments in The Bible that likes and other quotes that dislike homosexuality. But because it has been seen as "wrong" for such a long time, it is obvious that a lot of christians find it "wrong". When only SOME of the passages in The Bible and not ALL should be learned from, I'm sure it creates a lot of confusion. I'm a bit on both sides of the discussion and trying to find the truth. But now I'm sure there is no truth. it comes down to oneself as a person's opinion since there isn't a clear answer in the bible.

I must say that I disagree with you on this statement: "If a modern christian is free to reject slavery, they should also be free to reject the notion that homosexuality is an abomination"

As you say yourself, it comes down to what the person chooses to accept from The Bible.

I didn't understand the last part Anton: "Otherwise, they are simply bowing to an opinion. If that's the case, they should own that too."


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AntonOfTheNorth 4 years ago from The Land Up Over

Hello Dawit,

"And as far as I know there is a sync between it and God, since it's written of Gods words. "

I too think there is value in many passages in the bible.

I think the same of the works of William Shakespeare.

My concern is that anyone can find a reason for any action by going to the bible. When they reject things that are in the bible that they don't agree with, they can make a case that this is a part where the writer got it wrong and didn't understand what god meant.

If according to Leviticus, homesexuality is an abomination, than by that token we should have slaves.

I heartily reject the notion of slavery. If the god of the bible condones it, than I reject that god.

I think it is important to understand that it is our choice what passages to accept from any book, and we should be responsible for that choice.

If a modern christian is free to reject slavery, they should also be free to reject the notion that homosexuality is an abomination.

Otherwise, they are simply bowing to an opinion. If that's the case, they should own that too.

just my opinion.

cheers


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Phil Plasma 4 years ago from Montreal, Quebec

I don't think God hates homosexuality any more than he hates taking a nap. The two principles of Christianity - love god and love your neighbour as your self make no mention of sexual preference.


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Dawit T 4 years ago from Denmark Author

Antonofthenorth: I somehow agree with you. I agree that just as I as a male am attracted to females, it's the same story for homosexuals. But still it's The Bible. And as far as I know there is a sync between it and God, since it's written of Gods words. Speaking for myself, I don't hate homosexuality because of fear. Since I'm a christian, I try to figure out whether it is accepted or seen as a sin.

But I still understand what you are saying. If I was homosexual, then suppressing that in order to live as a book tells me, would be hard and sad.

I don't think discussions like these will ever end up with an answer that suits both parties. There just isn't a clear answer and it makes it difficult to ether like it or not. And I think that that opinion will be one controlled by his or hers personal opinion seen less objectively from what God actually mean.


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AntonOfTheNorth 4 years ago from The Land Up Over

So much to say, but I'll limit to just this.

I know christian homosexuals. If it was a matter of choice, than their faith would compel them to choose heterosexuality. They can't, because it is not how they are wired. They simply are not attracted to the opposite sex.

This is the same reaction that I would have if I was forced by faith to have sexual relations with men. I'm not interested in it, and would consider it a gross violation of my personal rights to be required to do so because of another person's acceptance of the truth of a book that also condones slavery. (Leviticus).

This is all the proof I need that it is not a matter of choice. I could not change myself to desire sex with a man no matter what book I read or who told me it was wrong to see beauty in women, particularly my wife. If it were reversed, the faith would require me to abjure from sharing that joy with my wife, again because of a book.

I would not choose to be hated, cause schisms in my church (were I a christian), be a victim of assualt, discrimination and abuse if it was a matter of choice. I would choose to be happy.

The notion that homosexuality is an expression of something wrong is just fear talking. It was fear when leviticus wrote it. It's fear now.

Time to grow away from fear and into love. As with god, love is eternal and unconditional. A relationship borne out of love cannot be evil in the eyes of any god I would choose to worship.

cheers


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Dawit T 4 years ago from Denmark Author

OK. I agree on the "god hates the sin but loves the sinner". I know that there are clear qoutes in the bible that say homosexuality is a sin. But what about homosexuality?


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

Yes, God hates homosexual acts. He also hates heterosexual sex outside of marriage, which is much less frequently addressed.

We should be ready to receive any kind of sinner who turns from corruption and comes to God. This includes murderers and child molesters. Because we each individually are forgiven so much, we must also be willing to forgive those who ask it.

We must recognize that "God hates the sin, but loves the sinner." (Most of the time. Scripture says God hated Jacob's brother Esau, who gave away his inheritance for a bowl of soup. I'm not clear on why that is, so I'll leave it at that.) While this exact phrase is not in the Bible, it IS there. God loves even those He punishes. And, we are told to hate sin. Our war is against "powers and principalities", which are demonic forces. Our war is NOT against any particular lesbian, homosexual, porn addict, child molester, or incestuous father. Our war is against the spirits of those things. The souls mentioned are God's treasure.

In each case, we can do only what the Holy Spirit leads us to do. To try of our own minds can create bigger problems.

Today, the homosexual community in general and the Christian community in general have a wall between them. I believe that wall is built by the enemy, to keep in those it holds, and to attack family under the guise of "equal rights" for gays. God does not want that wall. The sick are in need of a doctor.


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Dawit T 4 years ago from Denmark Author

Man from modesto. I agree on the fact that God loves us even though we sin. Therefore it doesn't matter wether homosexuality is a sin or not because God loves us no matter what. But the act homosexuality itself. Does God hate it?


LORD ENKI 4 years ago from CANADA

I don't know.I've never consulted with him about it!


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Man from Modesto 4 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine (formerly Modesto, California)

Homosexuality, and sexual licentiousness in general (including heterosexual sex outside of marriage or outside the natural order), is an important issue for the time. I consider myself a follower of no man and of God only. Because I am glad to see someone seeking to find some truth, I want to share my thoughts on the same.

1. God loves homosexuals. There can be no doubt on this. Scripture says God "loved us when we were yet sinners." And, in other places, we understand that God's love does not end, even during punishment. I believe that God wanted to find a reason to spare the sexually perverse people in Sodom, Gomorrha, and the surrounding regions. He waited until everyone had turned corrupt, except for the out-of-towner, Lot.

2. Homosexuality is NOT genetic. That was a lie committed by three (now former) scientists. Here is an excellent overview of many, many attempts to establish that homosexuality is related somehow. You will find that the studies which claimed homosexuality was genetic could not be repeated. Some studies even used the exact same men's DNA, and found insignificant results.

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